Women on the front lines??
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Well I have to say, it's nice to know that freaking Newt Gingrich posts on here.I'm just passing along the information given to me. Not arguing. I'm out. Same as any other thread, you don't hear what you like, so it must be wrong.
You ought to be a-freaking-shamed of yourself you ignorant twit of a man.
If you can call yourself that.
A REAL man knows a woman can do anything a man can do, except provide semen.
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Well I have to say, it's nice to know that freaking Newt Gingrich posts on here.I'm just passing along the information given to me. Not arguing. I'm out. Same as any other thread, you don't hear what you like, so it must be wrong.
You ought to be a-freaking-shamed of yourself you ignorant twit of a man.
If you can call yourself that.
A REAL man knows a woman can do anything a man can do, except provide semen.
UGH
wow! that was low brow0 -
Honestly, I don't care.
Well I have to say, it's nice to know that freaking Newt Gingrich posts on here.I'm just passing along the information given to me. Not arguing. I'm out. Same as any other thread, you don't hear what you like, so it must be wrong.
You ought to be a-freaking-shamed of yourself you ignorant twit of a man.
If you can call yourself that.
A REAL man knows a woman can do anything a man can do, except provide semen.
UGH
wow! that was low brow0 -
That opportunity and ability is not the issue.
That there needs to be the recognition, that culturally this needs to be done in a manner that doesn't rock the boat too badly.
Acknowledge that prejudice exists, and it just won't go away if you give it enough time.
Just because a woman passes doesn't mean she should be thrown to the wolves, whether she volunteered or not, someone is still responsible for her well being. Volunteering doesn't mean you just get to go. Service in the military is a privilege, not a right, don't ever forget that.
id like to think most military members wouldnt mistreat someone just because they are a woman...but you seem to think otherwise....thats a shame.
but if a woman meets the criteria and wants to do it she should have that right. and whoever steps out of line should be punished.
and isnt any job a privilege and not a right?0 -
What? no. it's about how many slots are open in the rank above you. It's a points based system based on the schools you take and your performance... there's no bonus points exclusive to men from combat... arguments could have been made for the CIB as it's an infantry exclusive award, but now that there's a CAB that argument is moot.
"The new report by a panel of retired and current military officers says that keeping women out of combat units prohibits them from serving in roughly 10 percent of Marine Corps and Army occupational specialties and thus is a barrier to promotions and advancement."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41083172/ns/us_news-life/t/military-commission-lift-ban-allow-women-combat/
"The ACLU filed the suit, Hegar, et al. v. Panetta, on behalf of four female service members who said despite fighting on the front lines in Iraq and Afghanistan, the Department of Defense's formal policy hampered their ability to get the same kind of promotions and awards as their male counterparts."
http://www.kpbs.org/news/2013/jan/23/ap-ban-women-combat-lifted/0 -
"I'm old fashioned" is a cop out. Can we stop pretending that it's anything else?
Same qualifications, same opportunities. That is how it should be.0 -
Well I have to say, it's nice to know that freaking Newt Gingrich posts on here.
Haha!0 -
When the president's own daughters are willing to go on the front line, I'd feel a little better about it. Yeah yeah, I know...they're too young. See, our society has fellas looking out for the women, traditionally. This is an added burden to those men who are on the front lines working with these women in that they may feel obligated. Here's the dirty little secret...women have been serving on the front lines for a while, but now they're talking about lightening up on the requirements for special ops so women can qualify. That's like a slap in the face to women everywhere. I've known some women who could walk circles around a fella. Yeah, I have some issues with it.0
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Mission first, that's all I'm saying.
AMEN! That's what I've said all along. There's a difference between the "necessity" of having women on the front line (metaphorically speaking) and the "opportunity" of putting them there. Unfortunately, too few understand the distinction. When push comes to shove, does this improve overall military capability, or is it simply a matter of "feel good" social engineering". If the latter, it has nothing to do with mission accomplishment....0 -
not so fast...im not letting it die just yet.
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"it ain't me, it ain't me... I ain't no fortunate one"When the president's own daughters are willing to go on the front line, I'd feel a little better about it. Yeah yeah, I know...they're too young. See, our society has fellas looking out for the women, traditionally. This is an added burden to those men who are on the front lines working with these women in that they may feel obligated. Here's the dirty little secret...women have been serving on the front lines for a while, but now they're talking about lightening up on the requirements for special ops so women can qualify. That's like a slap in the face to women everywhere. I've known some women who could walk circles around a fella. Yeah, I have some issues with it.0 -
Mission first, that's all I'm saying.
AMEN! That's what I've said all along. There's a difference between the "necessity" of having women on the front line (metaphorically speaking) and the "opportunity" of putting them there. Unfortunately, too few understand the distinction. When push comes to shove, does this improve overall military capability, or is it simply a matter of "feel good" social engineering". If the latter, it has nothing to do with mission accomplishment....
it makes us better. unless you believe there isnt 1 woman in the country that could do the job.
or should we make them prove it first ...like the all black units of bygone days? we could have a female only special forces unit and see how they do...
hmmm thats not a bad idea for a movie.0 -
I love women.
That's all I got...
:flowerforyou:
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obviously the military disagrees with you. they seem to think women in combat is viable.
Hate to break the news to you, but what senior military leadership believes is often a reflection more of political policy than the perception at the deckplate/troop level. Remember senior leaderhip is traditionally removed from the action and out of touch with reality on the ground.....so this isn't exaclty a relevant observation.....0 -
Coming Summer 2014....Dawn Patrol.
An all female special forces unit led by Dawn Steele takes on international terrorists, pirates and drug traffickers.
tag line:
"The sun never sets on the Dawn Patrol"
edit to add: All rights reserved.0 -
I am so pleased that somebody actually got that.Well I have to say, it's nice to know that freaking Newt Gingrich posts on here.
Haha!0 -
obviously the military disagrees with you. they seem to think women in combat is viable.
Hate to break the news to you, but what senior military leadership believes is often a reflection more of political policy than the perception at the deckplate/troop level. Remember senior leaderhip is traditionally removed from the action and out of touch with reality on the ground.....so this isn't exaclty a relevant observation.....
then im glad our politicians are forcing them to do it. at least someone has some common sense.0 -
Mission first, that's all I'm saying.
AMEN! That's what I've said all along. There's a difference between the "necessity" of having women on the front line (metaphorically speaking) and the "opportunity" of putting them there. Unfortunately, too few understand the distinction. When push comes to shove, does this improve overall military capability, or is it simply a matter of "feel good" social engineering". If the latter, it has nothing to do with mission accomplishment....
it makes us better. unless you believe there isnt 1 woman in the country that could do the job.
or should we make them prove it first ...like the all black units of bygone days? we could have a female only special forces unit and see how they do...
hmmm thats not a bad idea for a movie.
I'm sorry, but what does the premise of "better" have to do mission accomplishment. That's a subjective topic on which civilians have the leisure to pontificate, while those of us in uniform are not so lucky.0 -
can we get past the whole I can do what you can do bit?
Ability isn't the issue with integration... it's about prejudice and culture that needs to be slowly changed.
Sadly this is also the same mentality that is causing the sexual assult issues in the military.
And I disagree with your post. Maybe in the Army you are brought up to think the way you do. But believe me, you put a woman SAR swimmer next to a male SAR swimmer and they get the same exact respect in the Coast Guard. Why? Because we see each other as a team. It is that plain and simple. In the Coast Guard we are brought up from boot camp trusting each other. You have to. You have to believe that the boarding team member next to you is capable of getting their job done, just as they in trust you with the same trust.0 -
obviously the military disagrees with you. they seem to think women in combat is viable.
Hate to break the news to you, but what senior military leadership believes is often a reflection more of political policy than the perception at the deckplate/troop level. Remember senior leaderhip is traditionally removed from the action and out of touch with reality on the ground.....so this isn't exaclty a relevant observation.....
then im glad our politicians are forcing them to do it. at least someone has some common sense.
Wait.....you just mentioned politician and common sense in the same sentence. If it weren't so sad of an utterance it would be laughable.0 -
**** is about to get serious! Try messing with a woman on her period..........I know how crazy I can get when I'm TOM.0
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I'm sorry, but what does the premise of "better" have to do mission accomplishment. That's a subjective topic on which civilians have the leisure to pontificate, while those of us in uniform are not so lucky.
so a soldier's ability doesnt affect the outcome of a mission? thats news to me.
you dont have the "leisure to pontificate"? isnt that what you are doing now?
its like telling Jackie Robinson he shouldnt play baseball because even though he is better than many on the team he might upset too many people.0 -
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Wait.....you just mentioned politician and common sense in the same sentence. If it weren't so sad of an utterance it would be laughable.
ah yes because all military people are a bastion of common sense and always make the right decisions. lol
just guessing here...is this some kind of Obama backlash for you?0 -
can we get past the whole I can do what you can do bit?
Ability isn't the issue with integration... it's about prejudice and culture that needs to be slowly changed.
Sadly this is also the same mentality that is causing the sexual assult issues in the military.
And I disagree with your post. Maybe in the Army you are brought up to think the way you do. But believe me, you put a woman SAR swimmer next to a male SAR swimmer and they get the same exact respect in the Coast Guard. Why? Because we see each other as a team. It is that plain and simple. In the Coast Guard we are brought up from boot camp trusting each other. You have to. You have to believe that the boarding team member next to you is capable of getting their job done, just as they in trust you with the same trust.
I have noticed that both you and I have posted a few times into this conversation and have been relatively ignored. Almost laughable considering the topic. Both of us as military personnel and WOMEN, and yet our comments get passed over.0 -
I'm sorry, but what does the premise of "better" have to do mission accomplishment. That's a subjective topic on which civilians have the leisure to pontificate, while those of us in uniform are not so lucky.
so a soldier's ability doesnt affect the outcome of a mission? thats news to me.
you dont have the "leisure to pontificate"? isnt that what you are doing now?
its like telling Jackie Robinson he shouldnt play baseball because even though he is better than many on the team he might upset too many people.
I'm begining to believe you truly are trolling for attention, as I doubt you have ever worn a uniform are enjoy the opportunity to malign the institution at every turn.
That said, you have an interesting manner of taking my words out of context, and bending them to suit yourself. So far as "mission accomplishment" is concerned, please explain to me....supported by empirical data, how the manpower pool we have now is unable to accomplish the mission, and that there is an overwhelming NEED to access another source? The policy change is merely on paper, as women obviously are already exposed to both danger and combat. Giving it a different name is simply that, a different name. If this is solely about "more opportunities" for woman, that argument is a far cry from mission success. And I personally fail to see what Jackie Robinson has to with this. The miltary integrated at the same time, and happens to be far more integrated (on the whole) than society writ large. Additionally, women ARE allowed to serve.....so your premise of exclusion is non-valid.0 -
about effin time.
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**** is about to get serious! Try messing with a woman on her period..........I know how crazy I can get when I'm TOM.
mmhmm. get a bunch of us at the same time, tell us we're being irrational or hormonal, and watch us go0 -
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Wait.....you just mentioned politician and common sense in the same sentence. If it weren't so sad of an utterance it would be laughable.
ah yes because all military people are a bastion of common sense and always make the right decisions. lol
just guessing here...is this some kind of Obama backlash for you?
Apparently YOU know more than everyone, so I do believe you should run for office and dictate policy. Us knuckle-draggers simply can't keep up with your superior intellect.
And so far as you comment regarding the President, I happen to be an independent who personally believes that both political parties are equally worthless. Nice try though....generalize much??0 -
Dead set against it. Women have no business on the front lines. I'm not ant-feminist or anything, I just think men and women have equally important, but essentially polar opposite roles in life. Men are the breadwinners and defenders, women are the nurturers. That's just my personal belief, since the OP asked for it, 0
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