Afterlife: Is There Life After Death?
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Uh..I didn't call you a nutjob. And you are generalizing. One guy referenced religious nut-jobs and didn't even call out Christians specifically. Besides you are supposed to turn the other cheek but here you are calling for equality in name-calling?
Why does the tern 'second coming' always give me the giggles?I died. My heart stopped. I came back. I saw nothing. I went nowhere.
I died a catholic and was risen an atheist though if that counts for anything.
I don't think that was the 'second coming' that most religious nutjobs had in mind.
why is it i am called a nut job because i believe in God i dont call you names because you dont.. see that is what i dont get and i dont like,, if you are a Christian you get called names or we basicaly slowly are getting our rights taken but other religions can do what they want.. it makes no since to me.. just saying if there is to be equality then let it be the same across the board.0 -
Why does the tern 'second coming' always give me the giggles?I died. My heart stopped. I came back. I saw nothing. I went nowhere.
I died a catholic and was risen an atheist though if that counts for anything.
I don't think that was the 'second coming' that most religious nutjobs had in mind.
why is it i am called a nut job because i believe in God i dont call you names because you dont.. see that is what i dont get and i dont like,, if you are a Christian you get called names or we basicaly slowly are getting our rights taken but other religions can do what they want.. it makes no since to me.. just saying if there is to be equality then let it be the same across the board.
What rights have been taken away from Christians?
I don't criticise any religion. It is none of my business what others believe. I genuinely would like to know what rights are being taken away, though, because I am not aware of this occurring.0 -
Yes, I have to believe there is one that our souls go to. It's really the only way I can cope with those I have lost0
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Why does the tern 'second coming' always give me the giggles?I died. My heart stopped. I came back. I saw nothing. I went nowhere.
I died a catholic and was risen an atheist though if that counts for anything.
I don't think that was the 'second coming' that most religious nutjobs had in mind.
why is it i am called a nut job because i believe in God i dont call you names because you dont.. see that is what i dont get and i dont like,, if you are a Christian you get called names or we basicaly slowly are getting our rights taken but other religions can do what they want.. it makes no since to me.. just saying if there is to be equality then let it be the same across the board.
Way to jump on the defensive. For the record, when I say 'religious nutjobs', I am talking about the end of the world, second coming of Christ, Apocalypse now weirdos. Ya' know, the ones who predict the end of the world every five years or so.0 -
Why does the tern 'second coming' always give me the giggles?I died. My heart stopped. I came back. I saw nothing. I went nowhere.
I died a catholic and was risen an atheist though if that counts for anything.
I don't think that was the 'second coming' that most religious nutjobs had in mind.
why is it i am called a nut job because i believe in God i dont call you names because you dont.. see that is what i dont get and i dont like,, if you are a Christian you get called names or we basicaly slowly are getting our rights taken but other religions can do what they want.. it makes no since to me.. just saying if there is to be equality then let it be the same across the board.
What rights have been taken away from Christians?
I don't criticise any religion. It is none of my business what others believe. I genuinely would like to know what rights are being taken away, though, because I am not aware of this occurring.
Children have been told that they cannot read the Bible in public school0 -
I am a scientist and a non-believer - I have no illusions of death, and my experiences and knowledge combine to tell me there is no afterlife.
However, "is there life after death' is not a question that can be asked by scientists (and few do), because if we hypothesise 'there is no life after death', we cannot test it with any means currently known to man. It is a question of theology, then.
However, I find the logic that we should act well during life because it assures us a happy rather than horrendous afterlife to be rather demeaning to human and chosen deity alike.
Why should a deity stoop to bribes and threats to compel his creations to behave according to the doctrines he supposedly set down?
I'd rather be a decent human because I find myself to be satisfied by being kind and ethical, not because I feel obliged to adhere to some human interpretation of 'correct' conduct lest I find myself in an unpleasant afterlife.
Why I find this satisfying I can answer acceptably and with logical consistency by evolutionary theory of social behaviour, without needing to appeal to anything else.0 -
Children have been told that they cannot read the Bible in public school
Really? When? I'm not even being a smart *kitten*. Even as an Agnostic, that pisses me off.
Now, are you saying they can't read it aloud (aka, preach) in school? If so, I'm fine with that. But if they aren't even allowed to possess and read it to themselves, that's just horse****.0 -
I think we live on through other entities. For example, when buried, you continue to feed the earth. Flowers, trees and grass will grow from you, you will then go on to feed birds and so on....
I don't believe in heaven or hell.0 -
I think we live on through other entities. For example, when buried, you continue to feed the earth. Flowers, trees and grass will grow from you, you will then go on to feed birds and so on....
I don't believe in heaven or hell.
So, basically you believe in proven biology? Seems...logical, even if a tad redundant.
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Why does the tern 'second coming' always give me the giggles?I died. My heart stopped. I came back. I saw nothing. I went nowhere.
I died a catholic and was risen an atheist though if that counts for anything.
I don't think that was the 'second coming' that most religious nutjobs had in mind.
why is it i am called a nut job because i believe in God i dont call you names because you dont.. see that is what i dont get and i dont like,, if you are a Christian you get called names or we basicaly slowly are getting our rights taken but other religions can do what they want.. it makes no since to me.. just saying if there is to be equality then let it be the same across the board.
What rights have been taken away from Christians?
I don't criticise any religion. It is none of my business what others believe. I genuinely would like to know what rights are being taken away, though, because I am not aware of this occurring.
Children have been told that they cannot read the Bible in public school
Nor are they allowed to openly pray together on their lunch break in many schools (and one such in my area). That is considered to be "instructional time" . (And at the same school, students are permitted to congregate outside the front doors and smoke during the lunch break.) What does that suggest to you?0 -
Nor are they allowed to openly pray together on their lunch break in many schools (and one such in my area). That is considered to be "instructional time" . (And at the same school, students are permitted to congregate outside the front doors and smoke.) What does that suggest to you?
It suggests that public perception is gradually leaning toward religion being more poisonous than cigarette smoke?0 -
Nor are they allowed to openly pray together on their lunch break in many schools (and one such in my area). That is considered to be "instructional time" . (And at the same school, students are permitted to congregate outside the front doors and smoke.) What does that suggest to you?
It suggests that public perception is gradually leaning toward religion being more poisonous than cigarette smoke?
Or that a concerted effort is being made to stamp out all religious expression. In what way is the Christian faith "poisonous" in your opinion? We feed and clothe people through our many charitable organizations, we educate students through our many schools, we heal the sick in the many hospitals that we have founded and so on...that is "poisonous"?0 -
Children have been told that they cannot read the Bible in public school
False. Children are not allowed to have prayer or readings led by their teachers or other school personnel. Let me remind you that if you are American you live in a country founded on a separation of Church and State. Christianity is not the only religion practiced in this country. If you wish for your child to have a Christian-based education, you are absolutely within your rights to seek a private institution in which he or she may receive that.0 -
Or that a concerted effort is being made to stamp out all religious expression. In what way is the Christian faith "poisonous" in your opinion? We feed and clothe people through our many charitable organizations, we educate students through our many schools, we heal the sick in the many hospitals that we have founded and so on...that is "poisonous"?
I didn't specifically say a thing about Christianity. I said 'religion', as in all of them.
I have absolutely no problem with religious expression in public, honestly. However, I do believe that it should be kept away from children until they are of a stable enough mind to separate fact from fiction.
See, here's the thing that no faithful like to hear: children being brought up in a strictly religious household is no different than the way children in North Korea are brought up worshiping the 'Dear Leader'. By the time they are old enough to think for themselves, it's generally too late for them to make distinctions between what is real and what is propaganda. Even if you don't agree with my stance, I think you can see my point.0 -
You can't claim that of all Christians. There are 'Christians' that picket funerals of soldiers. Christians that molest children. Christians that bomb buildings and do other hateful, racist, nasty things in the name of Christianity. Whether you include them or not they are claiming the same faith as you. We had a perfect example of a Christian in this thread that didn't think name-calling was being handed out fairly. Exactly the opposite of what it is supposed to be.Nor are they allowed to openly pray together on their lunch break in many schools (and one such in my area). That is considered to be "instructional time" . (And at the same school, students are permitted to congregate outside the front doors and smoke.) What does that suggest to you?
It suggests that public perception is gradually leaning toward religion being more poisonous than cigarette smoke?
Or that a concerted effort is being made to stamp out all religious expression. In what way is the Christian faith "poisonous" in your opinion? We feed and clothe people through our many charitable organizations, we educate students through our many schools, we heal the sick in the many hospitals that we have founded and so on...that is "poisonous"?
Good people are good people no matter what you believe in. I would like to add that I do all of those things and I am not a Christian. Just active in my community.0 -
Or that a concerted effort is being made to stamp out all religious expression. In what way is the Christian faith "poisonous" in your opinion? We feed and clothe people through our many charitable organizations, we educate students through our many schools, we heal the sick in the many hospitals that we have founded and so on...that is "poisonous"?
I didn't specifically say a thing about Christianity. I said 'religion', as in all of them.
I have absolutely no problem with religious expression in public, honestly. However, I do believe that it should be kept away from children until they are of a stable enough mind to separate fact from fiction.
See, here's the thing that no faithful like to hear: children being brought up in a strictly religious household is no different than the way children in North Korea are brought up worshiping the 'Dear Leader'. By the time they are old enough to think for themselves, it's generally too late for them to make distinctions between what is real and what is propaganda. Even if you don't agree with my stance, I think you can see my point.
It was asked by Contrarian what rights have been taken away from Christians.
Respectfully, I don't agree with you or your point.0 -
It was asked by Contrarian what rights have been taken away from Christians.
Respectfully, I don't agree with you or your point.
I am genuinely curious as to why. I mean, the only real difference is that the Kims are/were living breathing people, and the deities of faiths generally require more leaps of faith than a frog with it's *kitten* on fire in a pool of gas.0 -
You can't claim that of all Christians. There are 'Christians' that picket funerals of soldiers. Christians that molest children. Christians that bomb buildings and do other hateful, racist, nasty things in the name of Christianity. Whether you include them or not they are claiming the same faith as you. We had a perfect example of a Christian in this thread that didn't think name-calling was being handed out fairly. Exactly the opposite of what it is supposed to be.Nor are they allowed to openly pray together on their lunch break in many schools (and one such in my area). That is considered to be "instructional time" . (And at the same school, students are permitted to congregate outside the front doors and smoke.) What does that suggest to you?
It suggests that public perception is gradually leaning toward religion being more poisonous than cigarette smoke?
Or that a concerted effort is being made to stamp out all religious expression. In what way is the Christian faith "poisonous" in your opinion? We feed and clothe people through our many charitable organizations, we educate students through our many schools, we heal the sick in the many hospitals that we have founded and so on...that is "poisonous"?
Good people are good people no matter what you believe in. I would like to add that I do all of those things and I am not a Christian. Just active in my community.
The perfect example of Christianity is it's namesake: Jesus Christ
The rest of us fall woefully short, regardless of what we call ourselves0 -
It was asked by Contrarian what rights have been taken away from Christians.
Respectfully, I don't agree with you or your point.
I am genuinely curious as to why. I mean, the only real difference is that the Kims are/were living breathing people, and the deities of faiths generally require more leaps of faith than a frog with it's *kitten* on fire in a pool of gas.
It is a matter of faith that every person must reconcile with God.
I cannot do that for you.0 -
This I actually agree with!
You can't claim that of all Christians. There are 'Christians' that picket funerals of soldiers. Christians that molest children. Christians that bomb buildings and do other hateful, racist, nasty things in the name of Christianity. Whether you include them or not they are claiming the same faith as you. We had a perfect example of a Christian in this thread that didn't think name-calling was being handed out fairly. Exactly the opposite of what it is supposed to be.Nor are they allowed to openly pray together on their lunch break in many schools (and one such in my area). That is considered to be "instructional time" . (And at the same school, students are permitted to congregate outside the front doors and smoke.) What does that suggest to you?
It suggests that public perception is gradually leaning toward religion being more poisonous than cigarette smoke?
Or that a concerted effort is being made to stamp out all religious expression. In what way is the Christian faith "poisonous" in your opinion? We feed and clothe people through our many charitable organizations, we educate students through our many schools, we heal the sick in the many hospitals that we have founded and so on...that is "poisonous"?
Good people are good people no matter what you believe in. I would like to add that I do all of those things and I am not a Christian. Just active in my community.
The perfect example of Christianity is it's namesake: Jesus Christ
The rest of us fall woefully short, regardless of what we call ourselves0 -
I think we live on through other entities. For example, when buried, you continue to feed the earth. Flowers, trees and grass will grow from you, you will then go on to feed birds and so on....
I don't believe in heaven or hell.
So, basically you believe in proven biology? Seems...logical, even if a tad redundant.
Yes, I'm one of those sane people that believe in proven facts 0 -
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It was asked by Contrarian what rights have been taken away from Christians.
Respectfully, I don't agree with you or your point.
I am genuinely curious as to why. I mean, the only real difference is that the Kims are/were living breathing people, and the deities of faiths generally require more leaps of faith than a frog with it's *kitten* on fire in a pool of gas.
It is a matter of faith that every person must reconcile with God.
I cannot do that for you.
I wasn't asking for you to convert me, or show me the way to God. I was asking you why you believe that American children being exposed to religious teaching at a young age is any different than North Korean children being exposed to 'state worship' at a young age.0 -
It was asked by Contrarian what rights have been taken away from Christians.
Respectfully, I don't agree with you or your point.
I am genuinely curious as to why. I mean, the only real difference is that the Kims are/were living breathing people, and the deities of faiths generally require more leaps of faith than a frog with it's *kitten* on fire in a pool of gas.
It is a matter of faith that every person must reconcile with God.
I cannot do that for you.
I wasn't asking for you to convert me, or show me the way to God. I was asking you why you believe that American children being exposed to religious teaching at a young age is any different than North Korean children being exposed to 'state worship' at a young age.
It would help if you would define your idea of "religious teaching" and "'state worship'"0 -
It would help if you would define your idea of "religious teaching" and "'state worship'"
Religious teaching is pretty self-explanatory. Basically, teaching children to believe in something for which there is no verifiable proof, before they are of an age where their 'that doesn't make any sense' sensors have turned on in life. In all of my time, I have only ever seen ONE young child say something along the lines of 'you really believe that?' to a parent who explains God to them. Most children will just take whatever their parents say as being true, no matter how preposterous it is.
Since you are asking what state worship is, I assume you know very little, if anything about North Korea. The children there are essentially brought up viewing whichever Kim happens to be in charge as their 'Lord and savior', provider of all things, great protector, he who strikes fear into the American heathens, blah blah, etc. The humanitarian aid we send over to try to keep those people from starving? Yeah, the Kims play it off to the people as 'tribute from the white devil to avoid invoking the wrath of the Dear Leader'. This is something that has been going on for so long that there are very few North Koreans left who remember a time before this was the case. As such, it's not quite as old as Christianity, but other than that, it's pretty much the same thing.
In both cases, children are having something hammered into their head before they are old enough to understand that it just might not be based in any sort of fact at all.0 -
How is this thread still going and the mods haven't pulled it??? OH THE INJUSTICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!0
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It would help if you would define your idea of "religious teaching" and "'state worship'"
Religious teaching is pretty self-explanatory. Basically, teaching children to believe in something for which there is no verifiable proof, before they are of an age where their 'that doesn't make any sense' sensors have turned on in life. In all of my time, I have only ever seen ONE young child say something along the lines of 'you really believe that?' to a parent who explains God to them. Most children will just take whatever their parents say as being true, no matter how preposterous it is.
Since you are asking what state worship is, I assume you know very little, if anything about North Korea. The children there are essentially brought up viewing whichever Kim happens to be in charge as their 'Lord and savior', provider of all things, great protector, he who strikes fear into the American heathens, blah blah, etc. The humanitarian aid we send over to try to keep those people from starving? Yeah, the Kims play it off to the people as 'tribute from the white devil to avoid invoking the wrath of the Dear Leader'. This is something that has been going on for so long that there are very few North Koreans left who remember a time before this was the case. As such, it's not quite as old as Christianity, but other than that, it's pretty much the same thing.
In both cases, children are having something hammered into their head before they are old enough to understand that it just might not be based in any sort of fact at all.
I am not ignorant about North Korea. I wanted to hear your understanding of it.
You haven't really said exactly what you think American children are having "hammered into their heads", that "something for which there is no verifiable truth"0 -
It's not just American children. It's children in many nations. What they are having pushed into their minds from a young age is a collection of stories that is little more than a poorly structured novel, in the case of the Holy Bible, a really strange and sometimes megalomaniacal set of rules in the case of the Qu'ran, etc.
In order to make it even easier to get it slipped in from a young age, we now have stuff like 'Baby's First Bible'. Really? They had to go there? Story wasn't inviting enough, so we needed to dress it up with cartoon likenesses of Noah, Moses, Jesus, and Mark?
Because this is presented as fact, and not story by their parents, they believe it. It is further solidified by family and church community over time. Again, no different than North Korea...well, except I haven't seen a 'Baby's Guide to the Dear Leader' yet.0 -
It's not just American children. It's children in many nations. What they are having pushed into their minds from a young age is a collection of stories that is little more than a poorly structured novel, in the case of the Holy Bible, a really strange and sometimes megalomaniacal set of rules in the case of the Qu'ran, etc.
In order to make it even easier to get it slipped in from a young age, we now have stuff like 'Baby's First Bible'. Really? They had to go there? Story wasn't inviting enough, so we needed to dress it up with cartoon likenesses of Noah, Moses, Jesus, and Mark?
Because this is presented as fact, and not story by their parents, they believe it. It is further solidified by family and church community over time. Again, no different than North Korea...well, except I haven't seen a 'Baby's Guide to the Dear Leader' yet.
You think Jesus is megalomaniacal?0 -
This book made me believe there is. http://www.lifebeyonddeath.net/0
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