Afterlife: Is There Life After Death?
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So knowledgeable, yet you lack the basic understanding of a paragraph.
It says men control over women (Genesis).Christianity was used by wealthy men to maintain power and control over others. Women were considered to be lower than cattle in the eyes of "God"..... and it's still used to exert power and control over ordinary people who need faith to make it through periods of heartache, loss, trials and tribulations....
Everything is accidental, nothing is certain.....except death.
I've almost finished reading the entire Bible and I haven't seen mention ANYWHERE in the Bible that God considers women to be lower than cattle...where do people like you come up this this crap?! ...Read it before you cast judgement on something you obviously know nothing about...
Or that a woman who is raped should marry the rapist.
Or that if a woman had premarital sex she should be stoned to death (but men can do whatever they want).
Exactly. Women are property....with no freedom or rights...and if you understand what you're reading, it's all through there....I'm too busy to make this stuff up....
Using the Old Testament to deny the existence of God is to misunderstand the cultural context of the Middle East. Objecting to the idea that a woman should marry the man who raped her is to leave her starving to death, because no other man would have her after that point. The conditions of the ancient Middle East were quite harsh for women---that part is true. But there is much in the Old Testament law that served to protect the interests of women. The Law of Moses gave them rights that they had not had before that point. Jesus came into that world and women adored and flocked to Him because He insisted that women be treated as equals---much to the shock of the scandalized religious authorities of His day. You should also know that Christians have always been at the forefront of the on-going campaign for the rights of women throughout the world. Christian missionaries are risking their lives in India and Islamic countries as they preach the gospel and work to secure the status of women in those cultures.
Wall of text galore.
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So what does one do in heaven/afterlife? Run around nekkid and sing praising hymns all eternity? I mean, worship is what god wants right, so this goes on for eternity? Clear this up cause inquiring minds would like to know. Don't guess, actually tell me what happens after.
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It says men control over women (Genesis).Christianity was used by wealthy men to maintain power and control over others. Women were considered to be lower than cattle in the eyes of "God"..... and it's still used to exert power and control over ordinary people who need faith to make it through periods of heartache, loss, trials and tribulations....
Everything is accidental, nothing is certain.....except death.
I've almost finished reading the entire Bible and I haven't seen mention ANYWHERE in the Bible that God considers women to be lower than cattle...where do people like you come up this this crap?! ...Read it before you cast judgement on something you obviously know nothing about...
Or that a woman who is raped should marry the rapist.
Or that if a woman had premarital sex she should be stoned to death (but men can do whatever they want).
Exactly. Women are property....with no freedom or rights...and if you understand what you're reading, it's all through there....I'm too busy to make this stuff up....
Using the Old Testament to deny the existence of God is to misunderstand the cultural context of the Middle East. Objecting to the idea that a woman should marry the man who raped her is to leave her starving to death, because no other man would have her after that point. The conditions of the ancient Middle East were quite harsh for women---that part is true. But there is much in the Old Testament law that served to protect the interests of women. The Law of Moses gave them rights that they had not had before that point. Jesus came into that world and women adored and flocked to Him because He insisted that women be treated as equals---much to the shock of the scandalized religious authorities of His day. You should also know that Christians have always been at the forefront of the on-going campaign for the rights of women throughout the world. Christian missionaries are risking their lives in India and Islamic countries as they preach the gospel and work to secure the status of women in those cultures.
I didn't deny God, I denied religion...Christians as an organized religion have absolutely not been at the forefront of the on-going campaign for the rights of women throughout the world. Just look at the uproar over "ObamaCare"....Catholics are refusing to cover birth control for women...because it goes against religious teachings...but they cover VIAGRA.....women who have children out of wedlock are unable to take communion...but men who have children out of wedlock still can...Missionaries are voluntary servants who are the very people being controlled by this "faith".... I understand they go all over the world to convert people to christianity....but what they are teaching remains seriously flawed. And it's been my experience that the most "religious" individuals are also the most judgmental, closed-minded individuals who are unable to see a perspective other than that which they have been brainwashed into.
As children, we internalize all of our parents' morals and values, but as we grow, we begin to choose which of those fit with our own personalities and beliefs, discarding those which do not fit and internalizing others gleaned from external sources. Organized religion's "spiritual growth" is the exact opposite of evolutionary maturation. It requires deeper internalization of a specific set of values without choice.
As long as there are churches like this:
While people in the world live like this:
Then I will have a problem with religion...
Existentialism - everything is an accident. The only thing you can be certain of is death.
Edit - this is a photo of a family living in AMERICA that was taken in 2010....0 -
Just stop dude, seriously.
If you don't like what someone posts, then don't invade the thread...rude.
And I'd like to think we come back to make things right... hope I'm not a tree in my next life.0 -
Or that humans want to feel special.Nope. you get a dirt nap and then you're worm food. I think the concept of an afterlife is just a crutch for people who are afraid of death being an absolute end.
But why would anyone be afraid of "nothing"? No, I think it is much more likely that a human would be instinctively afraid of "something" that was wild and uncontrollable--like God. "The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom..."
No, we ARE special. In all our investigations of space, why is there so little (if any) evidence of other life, let alone intelligent life? If we were nothing special, surely the universe would be teeming with life and so far, our investigations have come up with nada...except here on Earth (although that point is debatable at times). Why is Earth so special? Because we are--just as God said.0 -
Dear God, I certainly hope so because life before death has kind of sucked.0
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So what does one do in heaven/afterlife? Run around nekkid and sing praising hymns all eternity? I mean, worship is what god wants right, so this goes on for eternity? Clear this up cause inquiring minds would like to know. Don't guess, actually tell me what happens after.
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God wants us to worship Him because He knows that is part of our being. He made us capable of worship as part of the goodness and humility that He requires. We have Jesus' assurances that one's future in heaven will be glorious--wonderful beyond description. That is enough for me. As for being "nekkid", we are told that we will be "clothed in righteousness" and given white robes to wear (see the Book of Revelation).
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Our Solar system (big as we see it) is just a spot in the Universe. Just for reference. Go to the beach and grab a handful of sand. Each grain of sand in your hand would represent a star. That would represent OUR Milky Way galaxy.No, we ARE special. In all our investigations of space, why is there so little (if any) evidence of other life, let alone intelligent life? If we were nothing special, surely the universe would be teeming with life and so far, our investigations have come up with nada...except here on Earth (although that point is debatable at times). Why is Earth so special? Because we are--just as God said.
Every beach on Earth still WOULDN'T have enough grains of sand to represent how many stars are out there. We as humans can barely tell if there's life from a few miles away just using our senses.
We've only just researched what we CAN reach, so to say that just because WE haven't discovered more, DOESN'T mean that other life out there similar to ours doesn't exist.
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It says men control over women (Genesis).Christianity was used by wealthy men to maintain power and control over others. Women were considered to be lower than cattle in the eyes of "God"..... and it's still used to exert power and control over ordinary people who need faith to make it through periods of heartache, loss, trials and tribulations....
Everything is accidental, nothing is certain.....except death.
I've almost finished reading the entire Bible and I haven't seen mention ANYWHERE in the Bible that God considers women to be lower than cattle...where do people like you come up this this crap?! ...Read it before you cast judgement on something you obviously know nothing about...
Or that a woman who is raped should marry the rapist.
Or that if a woman had premarital sex she should be stoned to death (but men can do whatever they want).
Exactly. Women are property....with no freedom or rights...and if you understand what you're reading, it's all through there....I'm too busy to make this stuff up....
Using the Old Testament to deny the existence of God is to misunderstand the cultural context of the Middle East. Objecting to the idea that a woman should marry the man who raped her is to leave her starving to death, because no other man would have her after that point. The conditions of the ancient Middle East were quite harsh for women---that part is true. But there is much in the Old Testament law that served to protect the interests of women. The Law of Moses gave them rights that they had not had before that point. Jesus came into that world and women adored and flocked to Him because He insisted that women be treated as equals---much to the shock of the scandalized religious authorities of His day. You should also know that Christians have always been at the forefront of the on-going campaign for the rights of women throughout the world. Christian missionaries are risking their lives in India and Islamic countries as they preach the gospel and work to secure the status of women in those cultures.
I didn't deny God, I denied religion...Christians as an organized religion have absolutely not been at the forefront of the on-going campaign for the rights of women throughout the world. Just look at the uproar over "ObamaCare"....Catholics are refusing to cover birth control for women...because it goes against religious teachings...but they cover VIAGRA.....women who have children out of wedlock are unable to take communion...but men who have children out of wedlock still can...Missionaries are voluntary servants who are the very people being controlled by this "faith".... I understand they go all over the world to convert people to christianity....but what they are teaching remains seriously flawed. And it's been my experience that the most "religious" individuals are also the most judgmental, closed-minded individuals who are unable to see a perspective other than that which they have been brainwashed into.
As children, we internalize all of our parents' morals and values, but as we grow, we begin to choose which of those fit with our own personalities and beliefs, discarding those which do not fit and internalizing others gleaned from external sources. Organized religion's "spiritual growth" is the exact opposite of evolutionary maturation. It requires deeper internalization of a specific set of values without choice.
As long as there are churches like this:
While people in the world live like this:
Then I will have a problem with religion...
Existentialism - everything is an accident. The only thing you can be certain of is death.
Edit - this is a photo of a family living in AMERICA that was taken in 2010....
I would be the last person on earth to try to justify the excesses of the Roman Church. Religion has been a deadly force from the beginning. Faith sets itself against religion.0 -
A fear of death with nothing after... helping to promote religion since the dawn of time.
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Nope. you get a dirt nap and then you're worm food. I think the concept of an afterlife is just a crutch for people who are afraid of death being an absolute end.
But why would anyone be afraid of "nothing"? No, I think it is much more likely that a human would be instinctively afraid of "something" that was wild and uncontrollable--like God. "The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom..."
people like to exist, so they are afraid of losing that.0 -
I don't believe so. Yet, I certainly hope so... I want to haunt every *kitten* person that I hate!!0
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Yes 99.99999% will be tortured by me and my colleagues in hell , the remaining percent's souls are harvested0
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How is this not locked yet? A spam post was removed so there were mods here!0
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Our Solar system (big as we see it) is just a spot in the Universe. Just for reference. Go to the beach and grab a handful of sand. Each grain of sand in your hand would represent a star. That would represent OUR Milky Way galaxy.No, we ARE special. In all our investigations of space, why is there so little (if any) evidence of other life, let alone intelligent life? If we were nothing special, surely the universe would be teeming with life and so far, our investigations have come up with nada...except here on Earth (although that point is debatable at times). Why is Earth so special? Because we are--just as God said.
Every beach on Earth still WOULDN'T have enough grains of sand to represent how many stars are out there. We as humans can barely tell if there's life from a few miles away just using our senses.
We've only just researched what we CAN reach, so to say that just because WE haven't discovered more, DOESN'T mean that other life out there similar to ours doesn't exist.
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Well, I'll grant you that we haven't searched much. But after all the estimated time given for the age of the universe (14 to 20 billion years) wouldn't you think that life would be abundant everywhere we looked? Are we alone in our fecundity? "Be fruitful and multiply..."?0 -
I think there is...no proof, other than the fact I watch a lot of ghost hunting shows lol 0
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That didn't shed much light. Glorious in god's eyes could mean that you sit and stare at god all day with a smile on your face.So what does one do in heaven/afterlife? Run around nekkid and sing praising hymns all eternity? I mean, worship is what god wants right, so this goes on for eternity? Clear this up cause inquiring minds would like to know. Don't guess, actually tell me what happens after.
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God wants us to worship Him because He knows that is part of our being. He made us capable of worship as part of the goodness and humility that He requires. We have Jesus' assurances that one's future in heaven will be glorious--wonderful beyond description. That is enough for me. As for being "nekkid", we are told that we will be "clothed in righteousness" and given white robes to wear (see the Book of Revelation).
I personally haven't heard any logical explanation of what heaven is supposed to be like after death. The focus for many religious followers is just to get there. Then HOPE it's all that it's cracked up to be.
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Nope. you get a dirt nap and then you're worm food. I think the concept of an afterlife is just a crutch for people who are afraid of death being an absolute end.
But why would anyone be afraid of "nothing"? No, I think it is much more likely that a human would be instinctively afraid of "something" that was wild and uncontrollable--like God. "The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom..."
people like to exist, so they are afraid of losing that.
But why do we like to exist?? Could there be something built into the essence of life that makes it want to continue to live? If so, where did that come from? Do machines want to exist?0 -
I personally like to believe there is.0
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It's only been at MOST 2000 years that we've really inquired. And only about 100 years since we've had equipment capable enough just to see OUR galaxy. May we be the only living beings in our Solar system? Possibly. But again look at our Solar System as just a spec of dust in a house. To just search our galaxy completely would take several 1000 years to complete.
Our Solar system (big as we see it) is just a spot in the Universe. Just for reference. Go to the beach and grab a handful of sand. Each grain of sand in your hand would represent a star. That would represent OUR Milky Way galaxy.No, we ARE special. In all our investigations of space, why is there so little (if any) evidence of other life, let alone intelligent life? If we were nothing special, surely the universe would be teeming with life and so far, our investigations have come up with nada...except here on Earth (although that point is debatable at times). Why is Earth so special? Because we are--just as God said.
Every beach on Earth still WOULDN'T have enough grains of sand to represent how many stars are out there. We as humans can barely tell if there's life from a few miles away just using our senses.
We've only just researched what we CAN reach, so to say that just because WE haven't discovered more, DOESN'T mean that other life out there similar to ours doesn't exist.
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Well, I'll grant you that we haven't searched much. But after all the estimated time given for the age of the universe (14 to 20 billion years) wouldn't you think that life would be abundant everywhere we looked? Are we alone in our fecundity? "Be fruitful and multiply..."?
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Faith sets itself against religion.
I'm glad I've enlightened you.0 -
Yes, I believe
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This is a great question. Personally I believe that animals (us included) have one real objective in life.........pass on our genes. Yeah, there's lots of fun stuff we do in between, but having offspring is an instinct for the majority of ANY species.Nope. you get a dirt nap and then you're worm food. I think the concept of an afterlife is just a crutch for people who are afraid of death being an absolute end.
But why would anyone be afraid of "nothing"? No, I think it is much more likely that a human would be instinctively afraid of "something" that was wild and uncontrollable--like God. "The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom..."
people like to exist, so they are afraid of losing that.
But why do we like to exist?? Could there be something built into the essence of life that makes it want to continue to live? If so, where did that come from? Do machines want to exist?
Again why do we want to exist? Great question.
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Bill Maher- Religulous.
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Absolutely there is. I can't wait to be at home with the Lord. It will be so Amazing!!!!!!0
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Faith sets itself against religion.
I'm glad I've enlightened you.
I was already there a LONG time ago--but I'm happy that you're glad. :happy:0 -
"Personally I believe that animals (us included) have one real objective in life.........pass on our genes."
But why would that be so? Do machines want to pass on their parts?0 -
It's only been at MOST 2000 years that we've really inquired. And only about 100 years since we've had equipment capable enough just to see OUR galaxy. May we be the only living beings in our Solar system? Possibly. But again look at our Solar System as just a spec of dust in a house. To just search our galaxy completely would take several 1000 years to complete.
Our Solar system (big as we see it) is just a spot in the Universe. Just for reference. Go to the beach and grab a handful of sand. Each grain of sand in your hand would represent a star. That would represent OUR Milky Way galaxy.No, we ARE special. In all our investigations of space, why is there so little (if any) evidence of other life, let alone intelligent life? If we were nothing special, surely the universe would be teeming with life and so far, our investigations have come up with nada...except here on Earth (although that point is debatable at times). Why is Earth so special? Because we are--just as God said.
Every beach on Earth still WOULDN'T have enough grains of sand to represent how many stars are out there. We as humans can barely tell if there's life from a few miles away just using our senses.
We've only just researched what we CAN reach, so to say that just because WE haven't discovered more, DOESN'T mean that other life out there similar to ours doesn't exist.
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Well, I'll grant you that we haven't searched much. But after all the estimated time given for the age of the universe (14 to 20 billion years) wouldn't you think that life would be abundant everywhere we looked? Are we alone in our fecundity? "Be fruitful and multiply..."?
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Could be that we would need to be God to do so. (Don't mind me, I'm just waxing philosophical today.) 0 -
That didn't shed much light. Glorious in god's eyes could mean that you sit and stare at god all day with a smile on your face.So what does one do in heaven/afterlife? Run around nekkid and sing praising hymns all eternity? I mean, worship is what god wants right, so this goes on for eternity? Clear this up cause inquiring minds would like to know. Don't guess, actually tell me what happens after.
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God wants us to worship Him because He knows that is part of our being. He made us capable of worship as part of the goodness and humility that He requires. We have Jesus' assurances that one's future in heaven will be glorious--wonderful beyond description. That is enough for me. As for being "nekkid", we are told that we will be "clothed in righteousness" and given white robes to wear (see the Book of Revelation).
I personally haven't heard any logical explanation of what heaven is supposed to be like after death. The focus for many religious followers is just to get there. Then HOPE it's all that it's cracked up to be.
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It kind of all boils down to whether you believe Jesus or not. He's the only one who has ever died and been resurrected---and many witnesses bore testimony to that fact (His nearest and dearest would have known whether it was true or not---and they all went to their deaths proclaiming His resurrection). Jesus said, "I go to prepare a place for you that where I am, you may be also..." Do you really think the Lord of the universe would inhabit a crummy place or an unpleasant place of boredom? Unlikely. 0 -
Hope I'm not too late for a simple, "no."
But a person can believe whatever they like so long as said belief doesn't infringe on the rights of others.0
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