Afterlife: Is There Life After Death?
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I've seen ghosts before, so no one can tell me there isn't.0
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Actually, the story of Horus predates jesus story and lots of similarities, just like Heracles of Greek mythology. A god for a father, a human mother, did wonderful amazing feats,was killed and then resurrected. The story of jesus isn't original.
That didn't shed much light. Glorious in god's eyes could mean that you sit and stare at god all day with a smile on your face.So what does one do in heaven/afterlife? Run around nekkid and sing praising hymns all eternity? I mean, worship is what god wants right, so this goes on for eternity? Clear this up cause inquiring minds would like to know. Don't guess, actually tell me what happens after.
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God wants us to worship Him because He knows that is part of our being. He made us capable of worship as part of the goodness and humility that He requires. We have Jesus' assurances that one's future in heaven will be glorious--wonderful beyond description. That is enough for me. As for being "nekkid", we are told that we will be "clothed in righteousness" and given white robes to wear (see the Book of Revelation).
I personally haven't heard any logical explanation of what heaven is supposed to be like after death. The focus for many religious followers is just to get there. Then HOPE it's all that it's cracked up to be.
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It kind of all boils down to whether you believe Jesus or not. He's the only one who has ever died and been resurrected---and many witnesses bore testimony to that fact (His nearest and dearest would have known whether it was true or not---and they all went to their deaths proclaiming His resurrection). Jesus said, "I go to prepare a place for you that where I am, you may be also..." Do you really think the Lord of the universe would inhabit a crummy place or an unpleasant place of boredom? Unlikely.
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Um, yeah. DUH.0
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Actually, the story of Horus predates jesus story and lots of similarities, just like Heracles of Greek mythology. A god for a father, a human mother, did wonderful amazing feats,was killed and then resurrected. The story of jesus isn't original.
That didn't shed much light. Glorious in god's eyes could mean that you sit and stare at god all day with a smile on your face.So what does one do in heaven/afterlife? Run around nekkid and sing praising hymns all eternity? I mean, worship is what god wants right, so this goes on for eternity? Clear this up cause inquiring minds would like to know. Don't guess, actually tell me what happens after.
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God wants us to worship Him because He knows that is part of our being. He made us capable of worship as part of the goodness and humility that He requires. We have Jesus' assurances that one's future in heaven will be glorious--wonderful beyond description. That is enough for me. As for being "nekkid", we are told that we will be "clothed in righteousness" and given white robes to wear (see the Book of Revelation).
I personally haven't heard any logical explanation of what heaven is supposed to be like after death. The focus for many religious followers is just to get there. Then HOPE it's all that it's cracked up to be.
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It kind of all boils down to whether you believe Jesus or not. He's the only one who has ever died and been resurrected---and many witnesses bore testimony to that fact (His nearest and dearest would have known whether it was true or not---and they all went to their deaths proclaiming His resurrection). Jesus said, "I go to prepare a place for you that where I am, you may be also..." Do you really think the Lord of the universe would inhabit a crummy place or an unpleasant place of boredom? Unlikely.
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How dare you use facts to tinkle on the parade of the gullible?0 -
I sure hope so cuz I have to use my brownie points to get into heaven, I don't want them to go to waste.0
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More importantly for all of us, is there life before death?
This.0 -
Eternal life is achieved by making a difference here in your allotted lifespan. If you want eternal life, make them remember you.0
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I'm happy either way0
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I'm happy either way
I must say, you look like a long lost family member.0 -
Id say Yesssssssss0
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OH LOOK!!!! It's a reunion!!!!!!0
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wahey!0
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Actually, the story of Horus predates jesus story and lots of similarities, just like Heracles of Greek mythology. A god for a father, a human mother, did wonderful amazing feats,was killed and then resurrected. The story of jesus isn't original.
That didn't shed much light. Glorious in god's eyes could mean that you sit and stare at god all day with a smile on your face.So what does one do in heaven/afterlife? Run around nekkid and sing praising hymns all eternity? I mean, worship is what god wants right, so this goes on for eternity? Clear this up cause inquiring minds would like to know. Don't guess, actually tell me what happens after.
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God wants us to worship Him because He knows that is part of our being. He made us capable of worship as part of the goodness and humility that He requires. We have Jesus' assurances that one's future in heaven will be glorious--wonderful beyond description. That is enough for me. As for being "nekkid", we are told that we will be "clothed in righteousness" and given white robes to wear (see the Book of Revelation).
I personally haven't heard any logical explanation of what heaven is supposed to be like after death. The focus for many religious followers is just to get there. Then HOPE it's all that it's cracked up to be.
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It kind of all boils down to whether you believe Jesus or not. He's the only one who has ever died and been resurrected---and many witnesses bore testimony to that fact (His nearest and dearest would have known whether it was true or not---and they all went to their deaths proclaiming His resurrection). Jesus said, "I go to prepare a place for you that where I am, you may be also..." Do you really think the Lord of the universe would inhabit a crummy place or an unpleasant place of boredom? Unlikely.
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Ahhh---for pity's sake, THAT old chestnut--AGAIN! I think if you really examine the story of Horus, you will see that there are no real similarities. What similarities there are, would be superficial and were added to the myths (and they were often added AFTER the death and resurrection of Jesus). Pagan myths were constantly changing--there are many different versions rendered about one "god" from different periods of history. The story of Jesus is VERY original in that He had eye-witnesses who died martyrs deaths rather than to deny Him. Why would you believe the lies of those who are enemies of the Truth?0 -
Heracles and Horus stories both predated the jesus story and DO have lots of similarities. And Pagan "myths" actually lead the way for other christian beliefs, say like December 25th as the accepted day of jesus birth. Winter Solstice runs at this time where the "sun" is born in the House of Bread constellation or in Hebrew "Bethlehem". Sound familiar?
Actually, the story of Horus predates jesus story and lots of similarities, just like Heracles of Greek mythology. A god for a father, a human mother, did wonderful amazing feats,was killed and then resurrected. The story of jesus isn't original.
That didn't shed much light. Glorious in god's eyes could mean that you sit and stare at god all day with a smile on your face.So what does one do in heaven/afterlife? Run around nekkid and sing praising hymns all eternity? I mean, worship is what god wants right, so this goes on for eternity? Clear this up cause inquiring minds would like to know. Don't guess, actually tell me what happens after.
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God wants us to worship Him because He knows that is part of our being. He made us capable of worship as part of the goodness and humility that He requires. We have Jesus' assurances that one's future in heaven will be glorious--wonderful beyond description. That is enough for me. As for being "nekkid", we are told that we will be "clothed in righteousness" and given white robes to wear (see the Book of Revelation).
I personally haven't heard any logical explanation of what heaven is supposed to be like after death. The focus for many religious followers is just to get there. Then HOPE it's all that it's cracked up to be.
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It kind of all boils down to whether you believe Jesus or not. He's the only one who has ever died and been resurrected---and many witnesses bore testimony to that fact (His nearest and dearest would have known whether it was true or not---and they all went to their deaths proclaiming His resurrection). Jesus said, "I go to prepare a place for you that where I am, you may be also..." Do you really think the Lord of the universe would inhabit a crummy place or an unpleasant place of boredom? Unlikely.
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Ahhh---for pity's sake, THAT old chestnut--AGAIN! I think if you really examine the story of Horus, you will see that there are no real similarities. What similarities there are, would be superficial and were added to the myths (and they were often added AFTER the death and resurrection of Jesus). Pagan myths were constantly changing--there are many different versions rendered about one "god" from different periods of history. The story of Jesus is VERY original in that He had eye-witnesses who died martyrs deaths rather than to deny Him. Why would you believe the lies of those who are enemies of the Truth?
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Heracles and Horus stories both predated the jesus story and DO have lots of similarities. And Pagan "myths" actually lead the way for other christian beliefs, say like December 25th as the accepted day of jesus birth. Winter Solstice runs at this time where the "sun" is born in the House of Bread constellation or in Hebrew "Bethlehem". Sound familiar?
Actually, the story of Horus predates jesus story and lots of similarities, just like Heracles of Greek mythology. A god for a father, a human mother, did wonderful amazing feats,was killed and then resurrected. The story of jesus isn't original.
That didn't shed much light. Glorious in god's eyes could mean that you sit and stare at god all day with a smile on your face.So what does one do in heaven/afterlife? Run around nekkid and sing praising hymns all eternity? I mean, worship is what god wants right, so this goes on for eternity? Clear this up cause inquiring minds would like to know. Don't guess, actually tell me what happens after.
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God wants us to worship Him because He knows that is part of our being. He made us capable of worship as part of the goodness and humility that He requires. We have Jesus' assurances that one's future in heaven will be glorious--wonderful beyond description. That is enough for me. As for being "nekkid", we are told that we will be "clothed in righteousness" and given white robes to wear (see the Book of Revelation).
I personally haven't heard any logical explanation of what heaven is supposed to be like after death. The focus for many religious followers is just to get there. Then HOPE it's all that it's cracked up to be.
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It kind of all boils down to whether you believe Jesus or not. He's the only one who has ever died and been resurrected---and many witnesses bore testimony to that fact (His nearest and dearest would have known whether it was true or not---and they all went to their deaths proclaiming His resurrection). Jesus said, "I go to prepare a place for you that where I am, you may be also..." Do you really think the Lord of the universe would inhabit a crummy place or an unpleasant place of boredom? Unlikely.
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Ahhh---for pity's sake, THAT old chestnut--AGAIN! I think if you really examine the story of Horus, you will see that there are no real similarities. What similarities there are, would be superficial and were added to the myths (and they were often added AFTER the death and resurrection of Jesus). Pagan myths were constantly changing--there are many different versions rendered about one "god" from different periods of history. The story of Jesus is VERY original in that He had eye-witnesses who died martyrs deaths rather than to deny Him. Why would you believe the lies of those who are enemies of the Truth?
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"A number of parallels have been drawn between the Christian views of Jesus and other religious or mythical domains.[5][1] However, Eddy and Boyd state that there is no evidence of a historical influence by the pagan myths such as dying and rising gods on the authors of the New Testament, and most scholars agree that any such historical influence is entirely implausible given that first century monotheistic Galilean Jews would not have been open to pagan stories.[5][4] Paula Fredriksen states that no serious scholarly work places Jesus outside the backdrop of 1st century Palestinian Judaism.[6]"
This is from the scholars who strongly refute those who would keep pounding out this OLD canard of New Testament Christianity being influenced by pagan myths.
What makes you think that their myths were original with the pagans? They were always borrowing from others. The "Three Kings" were from Babylon, yet they were quite aware of the Old Testament prophecies of the birth of the Jewish Messiah.
Yes--Christian theologians have always known that December 25th was an unlikely time for the birth of Jesus. The Roman Catholic Church was (and still is) heavily influenced by paganism. They chose December 25th to celebrate the birth of Jesus because they wanted to substitute a "holy day" for an unholy one (the Saturnalia) which was more or less celebrated throughout the Roman Empire.0 -
Captain Trim a fricken quote here.How about only quoting the last part of the looooooooong conversation. My scroll on my mouse is burning out.
And personally I believe our spirit, soul, energy maintains somewhere or somehow. Still not sure, but I do believe and I am spiritual. I go to church to continue to explore the mystery.0 -
I'm sick of these pro zombie threads. The only good zombie is a dead zombie.0
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Captain Trim a fricken quote here.How about only quoting the last part of the looooooooong conversation. My scroll on my mouse is burning out.
And personally I believe our spirit, soul, energy maintains somewhere or somehow. Still not sure, but I do believe and I am spiritual. I go to church to continue to explore the mystery.
sounds like you need to do some mushrooms, not spend your time in a church0 -
Are you guys still debating this? I already told you...Crispers are crackers, not chips. End thread.0
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Absolutely not
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Yeah, wikipedia isn't the best source.:laugh:"A number of parallels have been drawn between the Christian views of Jesus and other religious or mythical domains.[5][1] However, Eddy and Boyd state that there is no evidence of a historical influence by the pagan myths such as dying and rising gods on the authors of the New Testament, and most scholars agree that any such historical influence is entirely implausible given that first century monotheistic Galilean Jews would not have been open to pagan stories.[5][4] Paula Fredriksen states that no serious scholarly work places Jesus outside the backdrop of 1st century Palestinian Judaism.[6]"
This is from the scholars who strongly refute those who would keep pounding out this OLD canard of New Testament Christianity being influenced by pagan myths.
What makes you think that their myths were original with the pagans? They were always borrowing from others. The "Three Kings" were from Babylon, yet they were quite aware of the Old Testament prophecies of the birth of the Jewish Messiah.
Yes--Christian theologians have always known that December 25th was an unlikely time for the birth of Jesus. The Roman Catholic Church was (and still is) heavily influenced by paganism. They chose December 25th to celebrate the birth of Jesus because they wanted to substitute a "holy day" for an unholy one (the Saturnalia) which was more or less celebrated throughout the Roman Empire.
And I've never said pagan myths were original. I'm sure stories are borrowed or copied from one another.
My point solely was that the bible was written well after these other myths and stories were already circulating. You CANNOT prove that some or even much of it wasn't copycated because most of the reference was from hearsay then eventually written later.
How one believes in an afterlife is just a matter of faith since it can't be proved (or even unproven) that there is one. I used to believe there was a god, but more and more evidence from science has explained to me why there isn't one while people who don't have evidence just claim on faith that there is.
And you don't have to be sad, sorry, or pray for me to hope that god touches me (that would be against free will). Since I've actually realized it, I've been a lot happier because I don't treat or look at anyone (including homosexuals, abortionists, Muslims, etc.) any different while other christians who claim being non discriminatory are in some way.
I'm okay with just being worm food after dying.
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"Yeah, wikipedia isn't the best source...."
I've never understood the snobbery about Wikipedia. In this case, they were quoting recognized scholars.
"My point solely was that the bible was written well after these other myths and stories were already circulating. You CANNOT prove that some or even much of it wasn't copycated because most of the reference was from hearsay then eventually written later. "
YOU cannot know that.
"How one believes in an afterlife is just a matter of faith since it can't be proved (or even unproven) that there is one. I used to believe there was a god, but more and more evidence from science has explained to me why there isn't one while people who don't have evidence just claim on faith that there is. "
There is NOTHING in science that "explains" that there is no God. And I say that with some authority as I am married to a scientist who is also a Christian. I have also known a number of scientists who would never even propose atheism. The ones who do (like the late Carl Sagan) often aren't even first rate scientists. They have chosen their position as a matter of their own arrogance.0 -
Because it can be edited. You did fail to recognize the scholars that opposed.I've never understood the snobbery about Wikipedia. In this case, they were quoting recognized scholars.
I can easily prove that the bible was written well after jesus life and re translated. Do you deny that?YOU cannot know that.
Anecdotes aren't evidence. I can say the same with scientists who easily will refute that the is no god. And the best scientists have been able to accomplish feats that prayer to god hasn't (unless you claim that invitro is somehow god's work).There is NOTHING in science that "explains" that there is no God. And I say that with some authority as I am married to a scientist who is also a Christian. I have also known a number of scientists who would never even propose atheism. The ones who do (like the late Carl Sagan) often aren't even first rate scientists. They have chosen their position as a matter of their own arrogance.
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"...I can easily prove that the bible was written well after Jesus' life and re translated. Do you deny that?"
The writings that compose the New Testament were written within the lifetimes of the eye-witnesses whose testimonies are recorded there. The entire New Testament, in its present form, has existed AT LEAST, since the Codex Sinaiticus was composed ca. 330 A.D. Even earlier are the writings of the early church fathers which quote EXTENSIVE passages from New Testament writings. It has been said that we could reconstruct the New Testament from those writings alone. Many of them were written in the early 2nd century. No other writings from antiquity have undergone such extensive study and authentication. And you fail to recognize the significance of the Dead Sea Scrolls in authenticating the Old Testament. We can be sure that the Bible we have today is entirely reliable. The original Hebrew and Greek texts are constantly being translated even today---what of it? We still have the original texts to keep everyone honest. We even have fragments of the original manuscripts which have been revered and treasured down through the centuries.
"...Anecdotes aren't evidence."
Neither is disbelief. Just because some scientist expresses his personal disbelief does NOT mean that "science" denies anything which has to do with faith.0 -
Original texts were handed down orally for a long time. It's not hard to change perception of a story being told when it's told orally. And don't get me started on translation cause this thread can go on forever.The writings that compose the New Testament were written within the lifetimes of the eye-witnesses whose testimonies are recorded there. The entire New Testament, in its present form, has existed AT LEAST, since the Codex Sinaiticus was composed ca. 330 A.D. Even earlier are the writings of the early church fathers which quote EXTENSIVE passages from New Testament writings. It has been said that we could reconstruct the New Testament from those writings alone. Many of them were written in the early 2nd century. No other writings from antiquity have undergone such extensive study and authentication. And you fail to recognize the significance of the Dead Sea Scrolls in authenticating the Old Testament. We can be sure that the Bible we have today is entirely reliable. The original Hebrew and Greek texts are constantly being translated even today---what of it? We still have the original texts to keep everyone honest. We even have fragments of the original manuscripts which have been revered and treasured down through the centuries.
Science and religion are mutually exclusive. Science DOESN'T depend on religion to make discoveries. However religion does conform when science actually proves something that religion may have thought was only god's work (ie invitro)Neither is disbelief. Just because some scientist expresses his personal disbelief does NOT mean that "science" denies anything which has to do with faith.
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If a person claims to have knowledge about "god", or "his" existence: This person is delusional, intellectually dishonest, and (most likely) dumb as ****.
If a person asserts the logical Non sequitur: "god exists because science can not disprove the existence of god" (i.e. an Argument from ignorance / negative proof): This person is intellectually dishonest, and quite dumb.
If a person asserts that “god exists, because of example A” (e.g. "it's written in the bible", or "the shape of apples perfectly matches the shape of our hands, creating a perfect ergonomic grip", or some other equally retarded ****), this person does not value logic, he/she does not know what constitutes evidence, is delusional, intellectually dishonest and is dumb as ****.
This topic does not belong in the 21'th century....0 -
"Original texts were handed down orally for a long time. It's not hard to change perception of a story being told when it's told orally."
They were NOT "handed down orally for a long time". The gospels were in circulation in rudimentary form in the churches immediately (they were spoken of in the Book of Acts) and the Epistles were circulated in the churches as soon as they were penned. You are quite wrong but you will no doubt believe what you want to believe.0 -
This topic does not belong in the 21'th century....
People far more intelligent than you can imagine have posited the existence of God.0
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