FAT PEOPLE CAN BE AS HEALTHY AS THIN PEOPLE

SanteMulberry

...BTW, healthy is a subjective term that is not clearly defined in any health journal but what we do know as fact is that an overweight person is more likely to get diabetes or heart disease. The stats don't say every single fat person gets theses diseases, it says tthat they have a higher chance of getting them when compared to someone of a smaller frame.

"Healthy" is a word with a meaning. It's not really subjective at all.

health·y/ˈhɛlθi/ Show Spelled [hel-thee] Show IPA
adjective, health·i·er, health·i·est.
1. possessing or enjoying good health or a sound and vigorous mentality: a healthy body; a healthy mind.
2. pertaining to or characteristic of good health, or a sound and vigorous mind: a healthy appearance; healthy attitudes.
3. conducive to good health; healthful: healthy recreations.
4. prosperous or sound: a healthy business.
5. Informal. fairly large: I bought a healthy number of books.

health/hɛlθ/ Show Spelled [helth] Show IPA
noun
1. the general condition of the body or mind with reference to soundness and vigor: good health; poor health.
2. soundness of body or mind; freedom from disease or ailment: to have one's health; to lose one's health.
3. a polite or complimentary wish for a person's health, happiness, etc., especially as a toast: We drank a health to our guest of honor.
4. vigor; vitality: economic health.

(www.dictionary.com) Either you have it or you don't, and it's only partially within our control. A good bit of whether or not you are healthy re is luck.

I would agree. I know that a large part of my weight gain over the years was due to poor eating habits that I developed in childhood (lots of sugary treats and simple carbs) before we had the knowledge that we have now. But another part was the arthritis (genetic predisposition inherited from my mother) that set in (and it was exacerbated by my increasing body fat). I became sedentary because I hurt when I exercised--couldn't handle the pounding on my joints. Pool exercise has been a godsend for me---I actually enjoy exercising for the first time. I wish I had taken up weight lifting as a young woman---but women just didn't do that in the past (and only a few "weird" men did weight-lifting in those days---the kind of guys who ate raw eggs and wheat germ ).

Having said that, I believe that we need to try to be as healthy as we can be within the limits of the bodies we have been given. I am hoping to avoid being a burden to my children and grandchildren but, as you have observed, some of it is simply beyond our control.

SanteMulberry

Yes if it wernt for the fact that they were over weight..... over weight will always mean you are unhealthy

I think it is important to define what we mean by "overweight". My husband, who has always been a trim athlete, has also always been "overweight" by the standard tables because he has a big bone structure (a pediatrician once described his bone structure as "dinosaur bones") and is heavily muscled. He has a trim waist. Generally, what we mean by "overweight" is really over-fat. I think that is an important distinction. People who are over-fat tend to have lots of abdominal fat and health authorities say that abdominal fat is the bigger health liability (rather than the fat that women gain in their thighs and buttocks).

Yep but the OP is probably referring to people who have to much weight, you husband to me does not sound over weight, just that the BMI ratio does not work in his case because he has more muscle/bone than the average person?

Yes---a lot of athletes are "overweight" (that is, they weigh more than the average person of their height) but are not over-fat. My husband has never been over-fat. In the past (and now), If he felt that he was getting a little "flabby" he would cut out the cookies (that he loves) for a month and be right back to trim. It isn't as easy for some of us.

Manda86

Being a healthy weight is a byproduct of healthy behavior. All the overweight (read: inactive) people that are consistently making healthy choices over poor choiceswill reach a healthy weight. Everyone that says, "I'm overweight but healthier than thin people" because you are working out and eating properly are probably right, but by virtue of your choices, you will be thin eventually, thus nullifying your argument.

I keep telling myself, I'm not fat, I'm in transit! Back when I wasn't moving, wasn't paying attention to my food, etc., then I was fat, but this girl... she's going places.


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bcattoes

Yep but the OP is probably referring to people who have to much weight, you husband to me does not sound over weight, just that the BMI ratio does not work in his case because he has more muscle/bone than the average person?

Yes---a lot of athletes are "overweight" (that is, they weigh more than the average person of their height) but are not over-fat. My husband has never been over-fat. In the past (and now), If he felt that he was getting a little "flabby" he would cut out the cookies (that he loves) for a month and be right back to trim. It isn't as easy for some of us.

Some athletes are overweight and over-fat.

SanteMulberry

Being a healthy weight is a byproduct of healthy behavior. All the overweight (read: inactive) people that are consistently making healthy choices over poor choiceswill reach a healthy weight. Everyone that says, "I'm overweight but healthier than thin people" because you are working out and eating properly are probably right, but by virtue of your choices, you will be thin eventually, thus nullifying your argument.

I keep telling myself, I'm not fat, I'm in transit! Back when I wasn't moving, wasn't paying attention to my food, etc., then I was fat, but this girl... she's going places.


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Amen!

SanteMulberry

Yep but the OP is probably referring to people who have to much weight, you husband to me does not sound over weight, just that the BMI ratio does not work in his case because he has more muscle/bone than the average person?

Yes---a lot of athletes are "overweight" (that is, they weigh more than the average person of their height) but are not over-fat. My husband has never been over-fat. In the past (and now), If he felt that he was getting a little "flabby" he would cut out the cookies (that he loves) for a month and be right back to trim. It isn't as easy for some of us.

Some athletes are overweight and over-fat.

True. My husband uses a very simple criteria for judging whether he is over-fat or not. He says that if he can grab any fat on his abdomen, that he is over-fat (he never gains fat anywhere else). He works out and eats properly (for the most part, except for the cookies). If he cut those out permanently, he would probably never gain any fat.

weird_me2

People who think being fat is healthy are delusional. Have we as a society become so overweight that we are starting to consider it normal? BTW, healthy is a subjective term that is not clearly defined in any health journal but what we do know as fact is that an overweight person is more likely to get diabetes or heart disease. The stats don't say every single fat person gets theses diseases, it says tthat they have a higher chance of getting them when compared to someone of a smaller frame.

I don't think people who think "fat" people can be healthy are delusional at all. First, the original post stated fat CAN BE healthier than thin. And it can. As many other people have posted, having healthy habits is probably a better indicator of health than size. Do we not hear over and over on here people going on about how the BMI isn't accurate for individuals?

Well, guess how they determine who is fat and who isn't? BMI. They don't go and measure everyone's body fat and say okay, you are 5'5" 125 pounds and 35% fat, you're obese and they don't say you're 5'5" 160 pounds and 20% fat, you're healthy. No, they say the 125 pound person is at a healthy weight and the 160 pound person is overweight. Who is most likely healthiest? Probably the person with 20% body fat because they probably have worked to achieve that.

We hear people on here all the time encouraging others to not focus on the scale and to not judge based on their weight or BMI but to focus on fitness and body fat %. So, to arbitrarily say that a person who is deemed as "fat" using BMI is delusional in thinking that they can be healthy is arbitrary. With my current LBM, in order for me to get to a "healthy" BMI range, I'd have to have less than 6% body fat (as a woman). Even if I lose 10% of my LBM (which I've done a good job of maintaining to date), I would have to get down to less than 15% body fat to be at a "healthy" weight. I will probably end up in the middle of the "overweight" range as I am working very hard to maintain my LBM and get more fit as I lose weight. I will always be "fat" by BMI standards but I can guarantee you that I will be more healthy than many, many "thin" people.

ndj1979

well I will agee to disagree...

This thread seems like a cop out to me ..if you want to tell yourself that being over weight is as healthy as someone who is not overweight then more power to you...

If you believe that I got a bridge to china in my backyward to sell you...

bcattoes

well I will agee to disagree...

This thread seems like a cop out to me ..if you want to tell yourself that being over weight is as healthy as someone who is not overweight then more power to you...

If you believe that I got a bridge to china in my backyward to sell you...

I agree somewhat. Of course a fat person can be healthier than a thin person. The thin person could elderly and dying. They could have been born with type 1 diabetes, or be thin because they have cancer and the chemo makes them sick all the time, they could have any number of diseases that cause them to be thin. And the fat person may be young and hasn't yet developed the obesity related diseases which are likely in his/her future.

But if you take 2 healthy people with all things being equal other than weight, where one is fat and one is not, the thinner person has a much greater chance of remaining healthy than the fat one.

It is much like smoking. The increased risk of developing lung cancer from smoking doesn't happen for years. The longer you smoke, the greater your odds of developing it. The longer you are fat, the greater your risk of obesity related disease.

It all comes down to how much you want to gamble with your health.

bcattoes

People who think being fat is healthy are delusional. Have we as a society become so overweight that we are starting to consider it normal? BTW, healthy is a subjective term that is not clearly defined in any health journal but what we do know as fact is that an overweight person is more likely to get diabetes or heart disease. The stats don't say every single fat person gets theses diseases, it says tthat they have a higher chance of getting them when compared to someone of a smaller frame.

I don't think people who think "fat" people can be healthy are delusional at all. First, the original post stated fat CAN BE healthier than thin. And it can. As many other people have posted, having healthy habits is probably a better indicator of health than size. Do we not hear over and over on here people going on about how the BMI isn't accurate for individuals?

Well, guess how they determine who is fat and who isn't? BMI. They don't go and measure everyone's body fat and say okay, you are 5'5" 125 pounds and 35% fat, you're obese and they don't say you're 5'5" 160 pounds and 20% fat, you're healthy. No, they say the 125 pound person is at a healthy weight and the 160 pound person is overweight. Who is most likely healthiest? Probably the person with 20% body fat because they probably have worked to achieve that.

We hear people on here all the time encouraging others to not focus on the scale and to not judge based on their weight or BMI but to focus on fitness and body fat %. So, to arbitrarily say that a person who is deemed as "fat" using BMI is delusional in thinking that they can be healthy is arbitrary. With my current LBM, in order for me to get to a "healthy" BMI range, I'd have to have less than 6% body fat (as a woman). Even if I lose 10% of my LBM (which I've done a good job of maintaining to date), I would have to get down to less than 15% body fat to be at a "healthy" weight. I will probably end up in the middle of the "overweight" range as I am working very hard to maintain my LBM and get more fit as I lose weight. I will always be "fat" by BMI standards but I can guarantee you that I will be more healthy than many, many "thin" people.

I think it's more likely that you are overestimating your LBM. It would be pretty hard for a 5'5" woman to have 20% BF and weigh 160 lbs. And darn near impossible for the same woman to have 6% BF and weigh > 150 lbs without some type of enhancer like steroids, which carry their own health risks.

weird_me2

Yes if it wernt for the fact that they were over weight..... over weight will always mean you are unhealthy

I think it is important to define what we mean by "overweight". My husband, who has always been a trim athlete, has also always been "overweight" by the standard tables because he has a big bone structure (a pediatrician once described his bone structure as "dinosaur bones") and is heavily muscled. He has a trim waist. Generally, what we mean by "overweight" is really over-fat. I think that is an important distinction. People who are over-fat tend to have lots of abdominal fat and health authorities say that abdominal fat is the bigger health liability (rather than the fat that women gain in their thighs and buttocks).

QFT.

I think everyone forgets the distinction between "overweight" by BMI standards and "over-fat" based on body fat %. Overweight by BMI standards but otherwise have a healthy lifestyle? Probably healthier than the skinny by BMI person who has several unhealthy habits. Over-fat and overweight or over-fat and skinny? Both have similar health risks.

SanteMulberry

well I will agee to disagree...

This thread seems like a cop out to me ..if you want to tell yourself that being over weight is as healthy as someone who is not overweight then more power to you...

If you believe that I got a bridge to china in my backyward to sell you...

I agree somewhat. Of course a fat person can be healthier than a thin person. The thin person could elderly and dying. They could have been born with type 1 diabetes, or be thin because they have cancer and the chemo makes them sick all the time, they could have any number of diseases that cause them to be thin. And the fat person may be young and hasn't yet developed the obesity related diseases which are likely in his/her future.

But if you take 2 healthy people with all things being equal other than weight, where one is fat and one is not, the thinner person has a much greater chance of remaining healthy than the fat one.

It is much like smoking. The increased risk of developing lung cancer from smoking doesn't happen for years. The longer you smoke, the greater your odds of developing it. The longer you are fat, the greater your risk of obesity related disease.

It all comes down to how much you want to gamble with your health.

True. I was just speaking to a friend who lost her 38 year-old nephew from complications of his severe obesity. His parents begged him to address his obesity but, in the end, it killed him. He was food-obsessed. His Facebook page constantly referred to the rich food he was cooking or consuming at restaurants. He would make attempts to exercise but he just could not keep it up with his increasing levels of body fat (and likely, declining muscle mass because he was extremely sedentary. He worked from his home office--from the computer and telephone and played video games and watched television for entertainment. Very sad and such a waste. He was a very kind and likeable young man.

BarbieAS

I sort of agree, I sort of don't.

I'm 60 pounds outside of a "healthy" weight range. A couple of weeks ago, I had some routine testing/bloodwork done at the doctor - just a physical. My blood pressure was 110/68. My total cholesterol was 181, with an HDL of 69 and triglycerides of 67 (truly excellent numbers). My fasting glucose was 81. Everything else fell into a normal range (except for a severe vitamin D deficiency, but that's not weight related). I have no signs of any typically obesity-related diseases - my risk factors for heart disease are very low, no signs of diabetes. Technically, from that perspective, I am as healthy or healthier than many people at a healthy weight.

But, it doesn't change the fact that I'm 60 pounds overweight. I'm only 32; those test results can (and probably will) change drastically as I get older if I continue on at this weight. Plus, even if I physically feel fine now, this extra weight is putting pressure on my bones and joints. Eventually, I'm going to be in pain. And the weight slows me down - I'm sure that as I lose weight I'll have more speed/strength/endurance.

So, I guess, that just because you're overweight doesn't mean that you currently have a number of specific health problems. But believing that just because you don't now means that you never will if you don't lose the weight is idiocy.

weird_me2

People who think being fat is healthy are delusional. Have we as a society become so overweight that we are starting to consider it normal? BTW, healthy is a subjective term that is not clearly defined in any health journal but what we do know as fact is that an overweight person is more likely to get diabetes or heart disease. The stats don't say every single fat person gets theses diseases, it says tthat they have a higher chance of getting them when compared to someone of a smaller frame.

I don't think people who think "fat" people can be healthy are delusional at all. First, the original post stated fat CAN BE healthier than thin. And it can. As many other people have posted, having healthy habits is probably a better indicator of health than size. Do we not hear over and over on here people going on about how the BMI isn't accurate for individuals?

Well, guess how they determine who is fat and who isn't? BMI. They don't go and measure everyone's body fat and say okay, you are 5'5" 125 pounds and 35% fat, you're obese and they don't say you're 5'5" 160 pounds and 20% fat, you're healthy. No, they say the 125 pound person is at a healthy weight and the 160 pound person is overweight. Who is most likely healthiest? Probably the person with 20% body fat because they probably have worked to achieve that.

We hear people on here all the time encouraging others to not focus on the scale and to not judge based on their weight or BMI but to focus on fitness and body fat %. So, to arbitrarily say that a person who is deemed as "fat" using BMI is delusional in thinking that they can be healthy is arbitrary. With my current LBM, in order for me to get to a "healthy" BMI range, I'd have to have less than 6% body fat (as a woman). Even if I lose 10% of my LBM (which I've done a good job of maintaining to date), I would have to get down to less than 15% body fat to be at a "healthy" weight. I will probably end up in the middle of the "overweight" range as I am working very hard to maintain my LBM and get more fit as I lose weight. I will always be "fat" by BMI standards but I can guarantee you that I will be more healthy than many, many "thin" people.

I think it's more likely that you are overestimating your LBM. It would be pretty hard for a 5'5" woman to have 20% BF and weigh 160 lbs. And darn near impossible for the same woman to have 6% BF and weigh > 150 lbs without some type of enhancer like steroids, which carry their own health risks.

I'm not 5'5", I'm 5'10" and I doubt I'm overestimating my body fat %. I realize that most methods do have room for error, but through various tracking methods I've used over the past 10 years, my LBM has stayed within a 5 pound range even though my weight has fluctuated by over 100 pounds. My body fat % has varied greatly, but when worked out, my LBM has not fluctuated greatly. My health markers are great, I eat a healthier diet than most people I know, and I workout about 5-6 hours per week and lift weights. Yes, I'll be a healthier ME at a lower weight, but even now I'm still healthier than many "thin" women.

I also don't believe it'd be all that hard for a 5'5" woman to weigh 160 and have a 20% body fat, especially if she works out and does strength training. Yes, not all or even most women that are 5'5" will achieve 20% body fat at 160, but that's kind of the point. Using the scale to determine fitness or fatness is not a great tool. I know many people who are in the "healthy" BMI range but are over-fat. My DH is one of them. He's only over-fat by a bit, but his health tests show that he is over-fat as he has several markers for "obesity related" diseases without being obese by scale measurements.

bcattoes

People who think being fat is healthy are delusional. Have we as a society become so overweight that we are starting to consider it normal? BTW, healthy is a subjective term that is not clearly defined in any health journal but what we do know as fact is that an overweight person is more likely to get diabetes or heart disease. The stats don't say every single fat person gets theses diseases, it says tthat they have a higher chance of getting them when compared to someone of a smaller frame.

I don't think people who think "fat" people can be healthy are delusional at all. First, the original post stated fat CAN BE healthier than thin. And it can. As many other people have posted, having healthy habits is probably a better indicator of health than size. Do we not hear over and over on here people going on about how the BMI isn't accurate for individuals?

Well, guess how they determine who is fat and who isn't? BMI. They don't go and measure everyone's body fat and say okay, you are 5'5" 125 pounds and 35% fat, you're obese and they don't say you're 5'5" 160 pounds and 20% fat, you're healthy. No, they say the 125 pound person is at a healthy weight and the 160 pound person is overweight. Who is most likely healthiest? Probably the person with 20% body fat because they probably have worked to achieve that.

We hear people on here all the time encouraging others to not focus on the scale and to not judge based on their weight or BMI but to focus on fitness and body fat %. So, to arbitrarily say that a person who is deemed as "fat" using BMI is delusional in thinking that they can be healthy is arbitrary. With my current LBM, in order for me to get to a "healthy" BMI range, I'd have to have less than 6% body fat (as a woman). Even if I lose 10% of my LBM (which I've done a good job of maintaining to date), I would have to get down to less than 15% body fat to be at a "healthy" weight. I will probably end up in the middle of the "overweight" range as I am working very hard to maintain my LBM and get more fit as I lose weight. I will always be "fat" by BMI standards but I can guarantee you that I will be more healthy than many, many "thin" people.

I think it's more likely that you are overestimating your LBM. It would be pretty hard for a 5'5" woman to have 20% BF and weigh 160 lbs. And darn near impossible for the same woman to have 6% BF and weigh > 150 lbs without some type of enhancer like steroids, which carry their own health risks.

I'm not 5'5", I'm 5'10" and I doubt I'm overestimating my body fat %. I realize that most methods do have room for error, but through various tracking methods I've used over the past 10 years, my LBM has stayed within a 5 pound range even though my weight has fluctuated by over 100 pounds. My body fat % has varied greatly, but when worked out, my LBM has not fluctuated greatly. My health markers are great, I eat a healthier diet than most people I know, and I workout about 5-6 hours per week and lift weights. Yes, I'll be a healthier ME at a lower weight, but even now I'm still healthier than many "thin" women.

I also don't believe it'd be all that hard for a 5'5" woman to weigh 160 and have a 20% body fat, especially if she works out and does strength training. Yes, not all or even most women that are 5'5" will achieve 20% body fat at 160, but that's kind of the point. Using the scale to determine fitness or fatness is not a great tool. I know many people who are in the "healthy" BMI range but are over-fat. My DH is one of them. He's only over-fat by a bit, but his health tests show that he is over-fat as he has several markers for "obesity related" diseases without being obese by scale measurements.

We will have to agree to disagree. While what you describe may not be impossible (though frankly, I'd have to see the overweight woman with 6% BF to believe it), it is exceedingly rare for a woman. The scale is a pretty good measure for women.

Men are a different story.

LuciaLongIsland

I wouldn't think that working in a nursing home would be a good sample set. What about 90+ year olds that don't live in nursing homes. My great grandmother is 99, still lives on her own, still dances and does kicks, and challenges men to arm wrestling.

That is wonderful. However, not typical of the general population.

fitfreakymom

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twelfty

surely it depends what healthy habits are adopted? and surely if one of those is eating healthier foods the person in the bmi of 30 would be moved to mid range bmi if consistently stuck to? the results are saying that someone who adopts healthier lifestyle choices will stay at a bmi of 30 and i just can't see that, encouraging people that the fact they're overweight they will less likely die early is just plain stupid

for the people on here who are doing well with their weight loss programs have adopted one or most likely two healthier habbits are on the middle of that table are probably feeling good and i completely agree being too skinny is just as dangerous as being overweight as we see it's actually more in the middle of the table

the other two ends of the table are completely unfounded.... one end you've got someone who is skinny but does nothing at all to be so they miraculously over eat and remain sedentary most days and stay skinny and the other you have someone 1/3 over their normal bmi eating salads and doing 10 mile runs every week....

also this says a bmi of 18.5 is healthy which it quite clearly isn't for the average person i have a bmi of 21/22 and feel too skinny... my ex was a bmi of 19 and was told by her doctor to put on a stone minimum so the "evidence" isn't really evidence it's just a retarded way of looking at the facts lol

fitfreakymom

This is a tough one, I do not go by BMI because Bmi can say that a bodybuilder is over weight, I won't say that a fat person is as healthy as a person that is just slim but does nothing to be slim BUT I will say that a fat person is not as healthy as a fit slim person who works out. I have about 20lbs to lose ( maby a little less) I work out as hard as I can daily and for the most part eat healthy and within my caloric range but I would be kidding myself if I thought I was as healthy as say for example Tosca Reno. At the same time anytime I have asked my friends ( most being far bigger than me who think they are healthy) to come out for one of my heart pounding 5 to 10k walks, they don't come because they know that they are not nearly as fit as me and cannot keep up.
Anytime they have come for one of my walks they feel like they are holding me back and I feel like I have to wait on them so no a fat person is not as healthy as a person who is slimer and fitter. Part of being healthy is being at a healthy body weight and having a good cardio system which is only acheived by working out and eating healthy.

AbsoluteNG

Someone said it here earlier. You're only healthy until your test come back positive for diabetes and heart disease which generally show up after the age of 30. If you want to be delusional and pretend that just because your tests say that you are fine being fat then I'm not going to stop you but each and everyone one of us know that a fat person has a much greater chance of getting said disease.