General Comment About People Who Don't Lift
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I just wish everybody could stop using a "you have to ......" mantra. What is good for one person may not be for another. Clean eating and a healthy immune system will do more for you than weight training.
Genetics also plays a huge part of life. I had an aunt who lived to be 105 years old. Her body finally gave out -- weight lifting wouldn't have kept her around 20 more years. She had no broken bones...she died of OLD AGE -- as will MANY of us. My mother -- 90 years old this coming September..just retired from her job of over 30 years 3 years ago and the ONLY reason she retired is because the owner sold the business.
I am all for everybody just finding a form of exercise that fits them..makes them healthy ..and let it go. Anything that gets somebody up and moving is what's important.
I just wish this could stop being so dogmatic.0 -
Being lean is diet...Being fit is fitness...Simple.
Most of those yoga and cardio bunnies may look lean, but that's because the majority of them eat like rabbits..Not to mention they don't really have any functional muscle, and are flat all over. Still there is nothing wrong with yoga for the calming effects on the mind, as well as flexibility. If you're a woman and in here defending not lifting heavy then you are seriously missing out. You have not fully educated yourself on both sides of the spectrum. Go ahead be flat and boring....or do your research and try lifting. Most don't like it because they get sore, or don't know what they are doing, but again that goes back to lack of knowledge...
^^^YES!!! Well said!!!0 -
I just wish everybody could stop using a "you have to ......" mantra. What is good for one person may not be for another. Clean eating and a healthy immune system will do more for you than weight training.
Genetics also plays a huge part of life. I had an aunt who lived to be 105 years old. Her body finally gave out -- weight lifting wouldn't have kept her around 20 more years. She had no broken bones...she died of OLD AGE -- as will MANY of us. My mother -- 90 years old this coming September..just retired from her job of over 30 years 3 years ago and the ONLY reason she retired is because the owner sold the business.
I am all for everybody just finding a form of exercise that fits them..makes them healthy ..and let it go. Anything that gets somebody up and moving is what's important.
I just wish this could stop being so dogmatic.
I didn't see anyone say that if you lift you will never die.0 -
It depends on your goals and what you enjoy, but there are definitely health benefits to strength training, be it lifting or body weight exercises (beginner to advanced). Plus it helps achieve the look many women aspire to.
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well i dieted to loose weight and at first just did cardio ,
i did lose fat(about 80 pounds at first) but then i was all skin and bones no shape and a flabby belly skin i looked great in clothes (wearing extra small clothing items) but when ever i would remove said clothes i would look just unhealthy .
i started lifting , doing body pump mostly and continued doing some cardio and i shaped up!! i gained weight but i am not bulky and am not planning on getting bulky . my arms, butt and stomach has definition now and i feel way more confident .
i now wear small clothes but i fill it good and i look great naked . i have more energy and am more in control and stable when i work out.
i strongly encourage any women to lift !
( look at my pictures if you want to see results )
i am not saying i am perfect but lifting weights is helping me get closer to my goal everyday0 -
It's the closest thing that will ever be to the Fountain of Youth. If you care about maintaining a high quality of life in your later years without depending on others for the most basic every day chores such as feeding, changing clothes and bathing, then lifting weights, or strength training in general, is going to accomplish that.
Cardio exercise is very important for healthy again. As much so as strength training. Exercises for balance and flexibility are important as well.0 -
Edit - forgot the quote....see comment below.0
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I think "cardio" is highly overrated. 30 minutes of HIIT 2-3 times per week is more than enough for the average person if they're also doing strength training. Anyone who's done 90% 1RM squats to failure knows that your heart gets a serious workout with strength training as well.
Unless you're specifically looking for endurance, as for a sport, large quantities of cardio are pointless. Especially since most people hate it so much.
It's not a bad thing by any means. If you enjoy it by all means do it. But if you hate it, forget about it. Do short (30-minute) HIIT sessions instead.
As for stretching and balance, heavy weight training does amazing things for balance and coordination. That's one of the major bonus points of freeweight training vs machines: balance and stabilizer work.
And, again, as anyone who's done a heavy squat knows, you can't do quality freeweight work while inflexible. Hip, ankle, leg, and arm stretches are critical to doing them. People think weight training means inflexible and bulky and all this other nonsense. But the reality is this is simply not a posititon you can actually get into without having very good hip, ankle, and knee flexibility:
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There's nothing wrong with just wanting to be thin. I thought that's what I wanted initially, and while I looked good in clothes - it was a different story when I was out of them.
To the person who said they prefer a dancer's body, there basically the same body type a a female lifter, just more flexible.
Example Misty Copeland, very famous ballet dancer:
I agree...amazing, and its awesome to see a dancer with boobs!!!
She looks amazing!! And I bet she can lift a ton!!0 -
I think "cardio" is highly overrated. 30 minutes of HIIT 2-3 times per week is more than enough for the average person if they're also doing strength training. Anyone who's done 90% 1RM squats to failure knows that your heart gets a serious workout with strength training as well.
Unless you're specifically looking for endurance, as for a sport, large quantities of cardio are pointless. Especially since most people hate it so much.
It's not a bad thing by any means. If you enjoy it by all means do it. But if you hate it, forget about it. Do short (30-minute) HIIT sessions instead.
As for stretching and balance, heavy weight training does amazing things for balance and coordination. That's one of the major bonus points of freeweight training vs machines: balance and stabilizer work.
And, again, as anyone who's done a heavy squat knows, you can't do quality freeweight work while inflexible. Hip, ankle, leg, and arm stretches are critical to doing them. People think weight training means inflexible and bulky and all this other nonsense. But the reality is this is simply not a posititon you can actually get into without having very good hip, ankle, and knee flexibility:
1RM attempts, at any percentage, are NOT cardio.
Most people hate lifting too, having a strong cardio foundation is beneficial (admittedly not as much so as strength, but it's still good). You don't NEED to be strong either.
HIIT isn't some super plan. You don't have to do interval training. Steady state can work too (and it's a lot easier for some folks).
Weight training does not necessarily mean being inflexible, but I don't think being able to do a squat properly makes you flexible. There's a reason people stretch and foam roll and such before and after lifting. If squatting was all you needed you could just do the move to stretch.0 -
If there is a squat rack in Curves I'd be astonished.
I just looked up some pictures of Curves centers. I don't get it. I don't see any weights of any kind. No dumbbells, no barbells, no plate-loaded machines. I see a bunch of contraptions that look like they have no weights of any kind on them.
Pretty much exactly this. You cycle through a bunch of lame machines doing 60 seconds on each machine and move to the next one. To music.
There's no weights.
Curves uses hydraulic cylinders that cause resistance on the machines. Most curves gyms only allow curves sanctioned equipment in their gyms. I worked there when I was in high school. It is a joke! The "trainers" are taught what the founder of curves wants them to learn. Which is mostly scripted "facts" about how great their program is and what it does for the body. I wouldn't waste my money on it. I figured out real quick that money was the driving force at curves not the health of the members. I got tired of lying to our poor members so I quit!0 -
I didn't see anyone say that if you lift you will never die.
u totally missed the whole point0 -
Being lean is diet...Being fit is fitness...Simple.
Most of those yoga and cardio bunnies may look lean, but that's because the majority of them eat like rabbits..Not to mention they don't really have any functional muscle, and are flat all over. Still there is nothing wrong with yoga for the calming effects on the mind, as well as flexibility. If you're a woman and in here defending not lifting heavy then you are seriously missing out. You have not fully educated yourself on both sides of the spectrum. Go ahead be flat and boring....or do your research and try lifting. Most don't like it because they get sore, or don't know what they are doing, but again that goes back to lack of knowledge...
Yes, every woman that doesn't lift is repulsive. We all know that.0 -
I think "cardio" is highly overrated. 30 minutes of HIIT 2-3 times per week is more than enough for the average person if they're also doing strength training. Anyone who's done 90% 1RM squats to failure knows that your heart gets a serious workout with strength training as well.
Unless you're specifically looking for endurance, as for a sport, large quantities of cardio are pointless. Especially since most people hate it so much.
So, cardio is overrated, but you need to do some every week. And "most" people hate it. Interesting stuff there. What percentage of people hate it?0 -
I didn't see anyone say that if you lift you will never die.
u totally missed the whole point
No, I didn't. Really, it's a scientific fact that strength training helps prevents bone loss. The fact that your aunt didn't ever break a bone doesn't mean that she didn't have bone loss. Or it may be that she had plenty of strength training in her younger years, just because she had a different life than we do now and had to work really hard just to do basic chores and things. Or, yes, maybe she is just genetically different.0 -
I think "cardio" is highly overrated. 30 minutes of HIIT 2-3 times per week is more than enough for the average person if they're also doing strength training. Anyone who's done 90% 1RM squats to failure knows that your heart gets a serious workout with strength training as well.
Unless you're specifically looking for endurance, as for a sport, large quantities of cardio are pointless. Especially since most people hate it so much.
It's not a bad thing by any means. If you enjoy it by all means do it. But if you hate it, forget about it. Do short (30-minute) HIIT sessions instead.
As for stretching and balance, heavy weight training does amazing things for balance and coordination. That's one of the major bonus points of freeweight training vs machines: balance and stabilizer work.
And, again, as anyone who's done a heavy squat knows, you can't do quality freeweight work while inflexible. Hip, ankle, leg, and arm stretches are critical to doing them. People think weight training means inflexible and bulky and all this other nonsense. But the reality is this is simply not a posititon you can actually get into without having very good hip, ankle, and knee flexibility:
1RM attempts, at any percentage, are NOT cardio.
Most people hate lifting too, having a strong cardio foundation is beneficial (admittedly not as much so as strength, but it's still good). You don't NEED to be strong either.
HIIT isn't some super plan. You don't have to do interval training. Steady state can work too (and it's a lot easier for some folks).
Weight training does not necessarily mean being inflexible, but I don't think being able to do a squat properly makes you flexible. There's a reason people stretch and foam roll and such before and after lifting. If squatting was all you needed you could just do the move to stretch.
You may want to read my post again - I never said anything about 1RM attempts, I never said lifting was cardio, and I never said anyone needs to do HIIT.
My points were:
1) The warmups and working sets done during a lifting session of an hour or so really get the heart beating and have highly beneficial effects on your cardiovascular health.
2) Large quantities of cardio are not necessary for anyone besides those training for a specific endurance purpose.
3) You can get the benefits of cardio more efficiently by doing relatively short HIIT sessions, which is great news for people who don't want to spend 4 hours a week on a treadmill or elliptical.0 -
Being lean is diet...Being fit is fitness...Simple.
Most of those yoga and cardio bunnies may look lean, but that's because the majority of them eat like rabbits..Not to mention they don't really have any functional muscle, and are flat all over. Still there is nothing wrong with yoga for the calming effects on the mind, as well as flexibility. If you're a woman and in here defending not lifting heavy then you are seriously missing out. You have not fully educated yourself on both sides of the spectrum. Go ahead be flat and boring....or do your research and try lifting. Most don't like it because they get sore, or don't know what they are doing, but again that goes back to lack of knowledge...
Yes, every woman that doesn't lift is repulsive. We all know that.
My point exactly, your ability to read and decipher what I have said in order to draw that extemely accurate conclusion is astonishing. I appreciate your sarcastic twist to what I said instead of being objective. Enjoy your cortisol!0 -
Being lean is diet...Being fit is fitness...Simple.
Most of those yoga and cardio bunnies may look lean, but that's because the majority of them eat like rabbits..Not to mention they don't really have any functional muscle, and are flat all over. Still there is nothing wrong with yoga for the calming effects on the mind, as well as flexibility. If you're a woman and in here defending not lifting heavy then you are seriously missing out. You have not fully educated yourself on both sides of the spectrum. Go ahead be flat and boring....or do your research and try lifting. Most don't like it because they get sore, or don't know what they are doing, but again that goes back to lack of knowledge...
Yes, every woman that doesn't lift is repulsive. We all know that.
My point exactly, your ability to read and decipher what I have said in order to draw that extemely accurate conclusion is astonishing. I appreciate your sarcastic twist to what I said instead of being objective. Enjoy your cortisol!
Doesn't take much to come to that conclusion when you make statements such as;
"Go ahead and be flat and boring..."0 -
Being lean is diet...Being fit is fitness...Simple.
Most of those yoga and cardio bunnies may look lean, but that's because the majority of them eat like rabbits..Not to mention they don't really have any functional muscle, and are flat all over. Still there is nothing wrong with yoga for the calming effects on the mind, as well as flexibility. If you're a woman and in here defending not lifting heavy then you are seriously missing out. You have not fully educated yourself on both sides of the spectrum. Go ahead be flat and boring....or do your research and try lifting. Most don't like it because they get sore, or don't know what they are doing, but again that goes back to lack of knowledge...
Yes, every woman that doesn't lift is repulsive. We all know that.
My point exactly, your ability to read and decipher what I have said in order to draw that extemely accurate conclusion is astonishing. I appreciate your sarcastic twist to what I said instead of being objective. Enjoy your cortisol!
Doesn't take much to come to that conclusion when you make statements such as;
"Go ahead and be flat and boring..."
To her point, you are being almost as dismissive of things like yoga and walking as you claim chicks are being about lifting.0 -
To her point, you are being almost as dismissive of things like yoga and walking as you claim chicks are being about lifting.
Think you quoted the wrong person. I love cardio. I am not dismissive of any physical activity. I am dismissive of the idea that only lifters look good. 0 -
Do I have amazing powers of observation, or is it obvious to everyone else which people are posting here to validate their own decisions?0
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To her point, you are being almost as dismissive of things like yoga and walking as you claim chicks are being about lifting.
Think you quoted the wrong person. I love cardio. I am not dismissive of any physical activity. I am dismissive of the idea that only lifters look good.
I was agreeing with you, and disagreeing with the person you were responding to. I assume you're a woman (hence to 'her' point) because of your profile pic.
Edit, 'you' in my phrase is the person you were responding to (storm)...I thought it was a clear statement, guess not.0 -
To her point, you are being almost as dismissive of things like yoga and walking as you claim chicks are being about lifting.
Think you quoted the wrong person. I love cardio. I am not dismissive of any physical activity. I am dismissive of the idea that only lifters look good.
I was agreeing with you, and disagreeing with the person you were responding to. I assume you're a woman (hence to 'her' point) because of your profile pic.
Edit, 'you' in my phrase is the person you were responding to (storm)...I thought it was a clear statement, guess not.
My reading comprehension is -100 in the morning. Not enough coffee. Too much MFP. :P0 -
Do I have amazing powers of observation, or is it obvious to everyone else which people are posting here to validate their own decisions?
I'm not. I don't care if people lift weights. I don't believe all exercise is good if it's done properly. I encourage anyone that wants to lift weights to do so. I actually wish I enjoyed lifting for the same reason I wish I enjoyed running. Not because I think I can't be fit or attractive without it, but because it's good exercise and if I enjoyed it, I'd do it more.0 -
Do I have amazing powers of observation, or is it obvious to everyone else which people are posting here to validate their own decisions?
I'm not. I don't care if people lift weights. I don't believe all exercise is good if it's done properly. I encourage anyone that wants to lift weights to do so. I actually wish I enjoyed lifting for the same reason I wish I enjoyed running. Not because I think I can't be fit or attractive without it, but because it's good exercise and if I enjoyed it, I'd do it more.
I'm not either. I'm only reacting to the people who are treating heavy lifting as the only effective exercise for everyone, without considering their goals, physical condition, and body type.0 -
Being lean is diet...Being fit is fitness...Simple.
Most of those yoga and cardio bunnies may look lean, but that's because the majority of them eat like rabbits..Not to mention they don't really have any functional muscle, and are flat all over. Still there is nothing wrong with yoga for the calming effects on the mind, as well as flexibility. If you're a woman and in here defending not lifting heavy then you are seriously missing out. You have not fully educated yourself on both sides of the spectrum. Go ahead be flat and boring....or do your research and try lifting. Most don't like it because they get sore, or don't know what they are doing, but again that goes back to lack of knowledge...
Yes, every woman that doesn't lift is repulsive. We all know that.
My point exactly, your ability to read and decipher what I have said in order to draw that extemely accurate conclusion is astonishing. I appreciate your sarcastic twist to what I said instead of being objective. Enjoy your cortisol!
Doesn't take much to come to that conclusion when you make statements such as;
"Go ahead and be flat and boring..."
To her point, you are being almost as dismissive of things like yoga and walking as you claim chicks are being about lifting.
I said in no way are they repulsive that's quite extreme, what I said was flat and boring. That is my opinion. Choose to like that and be reactive to it that is your right and doesn't bother me, or you could choose to be objective and read the rest of what was said. Which was educate yourself about both spectrums before you dismiss lifting because you simply don't like how it makes your body feel the first time you do it, or how you think you'll turn into sheman....I also did not deny the benefits of yoga, running, or other cardio...I do it daily.0 -
Do I have amazing powers of observation, or is it obvious to everyone else which people are posting here to validate their own decisions?
I'm not. I don't care if people lift weights. I don't believe all exercise is good if it's done properly. I encourage anyone that wants to lift weights to do so. I actually wish I enjoyed lifting for the same reason I wish I enjoyed running. Not because I think I can't be fit or attractive without it, but because it's good exercise and if I enjoyed it, I'd do it more.
I'm not either. I'm only reacting to the people who are treating heavy lifting as the only effective exercise for everyone, without considering their goals, physical condition, and body type.
The only people I've seen for whom lifting is not the single best exercise they could possibly do are people with severe injuries or defects that don't allow them to lift. Or people who play a specific sport at a high level and need specific training that may not involve lifting. That's it.
If you've got 5 hours a week to spend exercising, you should be spending 3-4 hours of it doing lifting.0 -
I said in no way are they repulsive that's quite extreme, what I said was flat and boring. That is my opinion. Choose to like that and be reactive to it that is your right and doesn't bother me, or you could choose to be objective and read the rest of what was said. Which was educate yourself about both spectrums before you dismiss lifting because you simply don't like how it makes your body feel the first time you do it, or how you think you'll turn into sheman....I also did not deny the benefits of yoga, running, or other cardio...I do it daily.
I think we're all reacting quite strongly because people HAVE said only lifters look good. Only lifters are sexy. Only lifters etc... and we're all a bit tired of hearing it.
There's no need to body shame people to try and force them into lifting.0 -
I said in no way are they repulsive that's quite extreme, what I said was flat and boring. That is my opinion. Choose to like that and be reactive to it that is your right and doesn't bother me, or you could choose to be objective and read the rest of what was said. Which was educate yourself about both spectrums before you dismiss lifting because you simply don't like how it makes your body feel the first time you do it, or how you think you'll turn into sheman....I also did not deny the benefits of yoga, running, or other cardio...I do it daily.
I think we're all reacting quite strongly because people HAVE said only lifters look good. Only lifters are sexy. Only lifters etc... and we're all a bit tired of hearing it.
There's no need to body shame people to try and force them into lifting.
Well being reactive instead of objective is what you choose then that's fine. I didn't shame anyone, again I said my opinion like it or not. I then went on to say, educate yourself about both spectrums before you defend just one....0 -
I said in no way are they repulsive that's quite extreme, what I said was flat and boring. That is my opinion. Choose to like that and be reactive to it that is your right and doesn't bother me, or you could choose to be objective and read the rest of what was said. Which was educate yourself about both spectrums before you dismiss lifting because you simply don't like how it makes your body feel the first time you do it, or how you think you'll turn into sheman....I also did not deny the benefits of yoga, running, or other cardio...I do it daily.
I think we're all reacting quite strongly because people HAVE said only lifters look good. Only lifters are sexy. Only lifters etc... and we're all a bit tired of hearing it.
There's no need to body shame people to try and force them into lifting.
Well being reactive instead of objective is what you choose then that's fine. I didn't shame anyone, again I said my opinion like it or not. I then went on to say, educate yourself about both spectrums before you defend just one.... No, you're right. You shouldn't get pushed under the bus because others have been *kitten*.
Who's to say I'm not educated on the subject of lifting?
You make your own assumptions, you know? 0
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