Curvy Does Not Mean Plus Sized!
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OMG you are killing me!!! You look great, your Highness
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Warning: This is a rant, if you don't want to read it--move on.
So this past weekend I was skimming through a magazine (a fashion one, I don't remember the name). Anyways, they had a section showing how every body type could wear a certain jacket, and which one was best for each. The included body types were: "petite", "tall", "pear", "athletic", and "curvy". The "petite" woman was short, but proportional. The "tall" was the same, but tall. The "pear" shaped was exactly that, small on top and larger on the bottom.The "athletic" body was essentially a rectangular body shape. The "curvy" was a plus sized woman (size 18 or 20 ish).
I was immediately pissed. I don't understand why "curvy" has come to replace the term "plus sized". I am NOT plus sized, I am curvy. My measurements are 37-27-38. None of the body types they included were accurate to my body type, and I feel like this is common in magazines. Why can't we just call plus sized plus sized?
"Curvy" is meant to be an hourglass figure, and I hate that the word has been taken over by those who are plus sized and merely want to avoid the term "plus sized". It's stupid. I'm NOT SAYING that women that are plus sized can't be hourglass shapes. That happens a lot!! But, I don't know...it just bothers me when it's implied that curvy means fat.
Ugh.
/rant.
Is there a rule that only size zero models are allowed to be shown ?
Was the plus sized model, curvy? or was she apple, pear, petite, tall?
if she was still an hourglass shape, and curvy, what's the problem?
If it was modelling a jacket suitable for an hourglass figure, then an hourglass can be sized 8, 10, 19, 20, but it's still the same shape, so the jacket will still suit regardless.0 -
I was immediately pissed. I don't understand why "curvy" has come to replace the term "plus sized". I am NOT plus sized, I am curvy. My measurements are 37-27-38. None of the body types they included were accurate to my body type, and I feel like this is common in magazines. Why can't we just call plus sized plus sized?
You are not plus-sized. You are not obese. These terms are not offensive to you because you are fortunate enough not to be in those categories. However, many including myself...are. Curvy is just a polite way of calling someone overweight or plus-sized. It sounds better and it's not as rude. Be lucky you don't have to suffer a very unforgiving and sometime cruel society.
plus- sized and full-figured used to be the polite euphemism. at what point will curvy become too rude?
maybe people should stop being so concerned with being rude or being offended about their body and focus their attention on making changes if they arent happy about it.
and for the record, when i was at my heaviest (a size 22) i had no issues with being called (or calling myself) fat, overweight or obese because all those were true. i've always believed that no one can make you feel anyway about your body unless you're already believing it yourself, and that also goes for body shaming0 -
F*** you and your body shaming.
i don't know why this photo comaprison is considered 'body shaming'. more to the point, i don't know why being fat is considered shameful.
'fat' is nothing more than a word - either a noun (olive oil is a healthy fat), or an adjective (nashsheri33 has a fat body). as an adjective, it is no 'better' or 'worse' than any other.
if someone were to describe me as 'fat', i do not find it offensive, because i am, in fact, fat. the person might also describe me as 'short', or 'freckled'. that would also be an accurate description, not an attempt to insult or offend. i am what i am.
there's nothing wrong with the way either of these ladies looks. neither has any reason to feel ashamed. they are what they are.
feelings of shame should be based on bad behavior, not physical appearance. if a person does something wrong (rob a bank, for example), a person should feel shame.
most people tend to think the word 'fat' is some sort of character assassination. i'd much rather be 'fat' than 'dishonest' or 'greedy'. being 'fat' does not make me a 'bad person'.
i believe the OP was merely making a statement about the lack of accuracy the magazine writers used when choosing an adjective to describe a woman who possesses too much adipose tissue. very likely the authors were trying to keep from offending sensitive ladies who feel as though being called 'fat' is an insult, even though they may in fact possess too much adipose tissue. the adjective that they chose was confusing, since fat women are indeed 'curvy', but not all 'curvy' women are fat. (sort of the way jacuzzis are hot tubs, but not all hot tubs are jacuzzis.)
clarity is important in order to communicate effectively. that is all.
1) This picture is clearly not for clarification purposes. This is not a scientific discussion. It is setting one body apart from the other and in this case it's implying that one body is preferred. I think that's pretty obvious.
2) Fat is definitely more than a word. Fat is a loaded term. If anyone has ever called you fat, you'd know that it isn't just an adjective. Further more, words aren't "just words". Every word has a history of use and a cultural/ social connection.
3) Yes, there is no shame in looking a particular way. But we're made to feel that way ALL THE TIME. And most people do feel like they are shamed for being fat.
The word Fat and I do NOT get along. My daughter is eight years old, she has been taught that the word Fat ranks up there with other F words.
We refer to being overweight as 'having a big tummy' (her terms) and that attempting to lose weight has nothing to do with weight, it is 'getting healthy.'
I'm proud of that. Because the word Fat IS loaded. It is NOT something you use to refer to another person out of concern or care, it is an insult, whether it be true or not. There a women who weigh less than me who have a high body fat percentage than I do... but in comparison, is someone going to call the thinner person 'the fat one?' Probably not. I say DOWN with the word Fat!
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I only get pissed at jeans labeled "curvy" that are huge in the waist. Make it stop.
that is what (I think!!!) the OP is ranting about
it happens because women who aren't necessarily curvy call themselves curvy. And the people who make the jeans want to market their jeans to as many people as they can. so like vanity sizing, they call a relaxed fit jean "curvy"
and yes, I think this does indeed hurt and frustrate those of us who are really curvy and have a HARD TIME FINDING CLOTHES THAT FIT.0 -
I'm not going to go through and reply to each and every person on this board. Also, if you're expecting me to apologize, I'm not going to. I prefaced my post saying that I was posting a rant, and those who didn't have to read it--shouldn't. I did not body shame anyone in my post. I do not hate fat people. I have been a fat person for most of my life. I loved my body when it was larger, and I love my body now. So there's no need to insult me by saying that I am insecure, and that must be why I posted it. I'm not. Sure, there are parts of my body I don't love. But I have a healthy, strong body of which I am proud.
My post was not meant to attack anyone, it was merely me expressing my disdain for magazines who publish things like that. For the record, the plus sized woman in the article was not an hourglass. I would say she was more of an apple body type. I would have had absolutely no problem if the woman had been an hourglass shape! Why is it that women who are plus sized are only reserved for the "curvy" category? There are plenty of plus sized women who are apples, or pears, but they are only ever categorized as "curvy".
Also, to those who were saying that I am a "poor skinny girl" complaining about how hard life is. I'm not skinny.
That is all.0 -
Also, if you're expecting me to apologize, I'm not going to.
I don't think anyone expected you to apologise.0 -
" I am NOT plus sized" okay..... why do you feel the need to emphasize that your NOT plus size? It must be because you are so insecure about your size that you must demean those who are shaped larger than you...
Seriously, I don't get offended when skinny girls call themselves "curvy." Even though stick figures don't have curves. If some one wants to call themselves super woman, I don't care!
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This started decades ago when Macy's named the plus size departent "Women's". Ticked off the thin women I know.0
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I'm not going to go through and reply to each and every person on this board. Also, if you're expecting me to apologize, I'm not going to. I prefaced my post saying that I was posting a rant, and those who didn't have to read it--shouldn't. I did not body shame anyone in my post. I do not hate fat people. I have been a fat person for most of my life. I loved my body when it was larger, and I love my body now. So there's no need to insult me by saying that I am insecure, and that must be why I posted it. I'm not. Sure, there are parts of my body I don't love. But I have a healthy, strong body of which I am proud.
My post was not meant to attack anyone, it was merely me expressing my disdain for magazines who publish things like that. For the record, the plus sized woman in the article was not an hourglass. I would say she was more of an apple body type. I would have had absolutely no problem if the woman had been an hourglass shape! Why is it that women who are plus sized are only reserved for the "curvy" category? There are plenty of plus sized women who are apples, or pears, but they are only ever categorized as "curvy".
Also, to those who were saying that I am a "poor skinny girl" complaining about how hard life is. I'm not skinny.
That is all.
I think if you'd been more clear on the shape of the plus sized girl, it might not have caused such a response. And perhaps you're reading a crappy magazine?? If that magazine is categorizing size over shape in its 'clothing advice' column, it's a rag, plain and simple.
Don't read magazines for clothes, they know nothing of body type and fit. Go find old episodes of Trinny and Susannah's What Not to Wear, or pick up one of their books. They're gods when it comes to that stuff.0 -
Also, if you're expecting me to apologize, I'm not going to.
I don't think anyone expected you to apologise.
I didn't0 -
" I am NOT plus sized" okay..... why do you feel the need to emphasize that your NOT plus size? It must be because you are so insecure about your size that you must demean those who are shaped larger than you...
Seriously, I don't get offended when skinny girls call themselves "curvy." Even though stick figures don't have curves. If some one wants to call themselves super woman, I don't care!
I prefer Wonder Woman.0 -
an Emily ****inson quote
:laugh: Oh, MFP!
Fricken hilarious!0 -
Hell, I want to take a crack at this girl. I've gone from a size 22 to a size 12/14. And you know what? I think I'm curvy even if I'm plus sized. Yeah, I have some fat ON me. That doesn't make me fat. It's jerkfaces like you that make me question whether I'm "good enough." You can't coin a term. Most words are subjective in there OWN regard. I don't give a **** if you have an opinion, but if it's impolite, kindly keep it to yourself, or in the least, don't make a ****ing post about it.0
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Was this really worth it's own post? Okay, you're curvy and those fat girls should be called fat because your body type is better and how dare they...:yawn:
get over it.
curvy is subjective, you can be fat and curvy, you can be skinny and curvy, you can be plus sized and curvy. it doesn't matter.
why people get so bothered about what words other people use to describe themselves is something I'll never understand.
I agree....ditto honeysprinkle!
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just thought I'd add- it's not just you, since I've been on this site I've seen the same complaint over and over. Realize that it bothers you because of an insecurity that you have somewhere and move on, that's all I'm saying.
there's absolutely no logical reason to be upset about how someone else considers their own body. A girl wearing a size 20 doesn't need to call her self plus-sized if she feels curvy to suit you. Get what I'm saying?
I agree....ditto honeysprinkle! 0 -
I am plus sized AND curvy (hourglass shape).
In a way I agree with the OP. The two don't have the same definition, however some people have decided that "curvy" sounds better then "plus sized". I personally don't agree with the use of the word curvy in those cases. *shrug* It's not that I hate women who are over weight or plus sized. Heck, I AM that woman. I just think the terminology is silly!0 -
Hell, I want to take a crack at this girl. I've gone from a size 22 to a size 12/14. And you know what? I think I'm curvy even if I'm plus sized. Yeah, I have some fat ON me. That doesn't make me fat. It's jerkfaces like you that make me question whether I'm "good enough." You can't coin a term. Most words are subjective in there OWN regard. I don't give a **** if you have an opinion, but if it's impolite, kindly keep it to yourself, or in the least, don't make a ****ing post about it.
This is ME. I'm pretty ****ing curvy in my opinion. What do YOU all think?
If you had thoroughly read my post and my rebuttal, you would have seen that I nowhere did I say that women who are plus sized can't be curvy! Of course they can. But they can also be an apple or a pear or even rather rectangular. Being plus sized does not dictate your body shape. Congratulations on your weight loss.0 -
Thank you. I just. Urg. It rubbed me the wrong way. I just feel that it shouldn't be an issue.If you had thoroughly read my post and my rebuttal, you would have seen that I nowhere did I say that women who are plus sized can't be curvy! Of course they can. But they can also be an apple or a pear or even rather rectangular. Being plus sized does not dictate your body shape. Congratulations on your weight loss.0 -
I am 40. Young women will sometimes call me 'mature'. I think it is funny because a) maturity should happen long before middle age and b) I'm actually not very mature. It isn't an accurate word to use at all. There are mature 20 year olds and immature 50 year olds.
They say "mature" because they think I might be insecure about my age and they don't want to make me feel bad. The only way to ensure they don't inadvertently make me feel icky is to choose a word that isn't accurate.
It's nice. It is a nice thought. It is a kind thing to do. And everybody knows exactly what is being said.
This is really nothing to rant about. It's very odd to rant about stuff like that.0 -
Thank you. I just. Urg. It rubbed me the wrong way. I just feel that it shouldn't be an issue.If you had thoroughly read my post and my rebuttal, you would have seen that I nowhere did I say that women who are plus sized can't be curvy! Of course they can. But they can also be an apple or a pear or even rather rectangular. Being plus sized does not dictate your body shape. Congratulations on your weight loss.
It was not meant to be an attack on anyone, more so an attack on how labels are being use improperly. I think it would be lovely for a magazine to show diverse body types which would include those who are plus sized! In fact, plus size shouldn't even be a separate category! Some hourglass shapes weigh less than others, same goes for pear and apple shapes. I guess I should just find some better magazines!0 -
Actually, a lot of fitness magazines portray accurate body types. I know fashion mags tend to favor the model that best pulls off the clothing. You may not be into fitness mags, though.
Thank you. I just. Urg. It rubbed me the wrong way. I just feel that it shouldn't be an issue.If you had thoroughly read my post and my rebuttal, you would have seen that I nowhere did I say that women who are plus sized can't be curvy! Of course they can. But they can also be an apple or a pear or even rather rectangular. Being plus sized does not dictate your body shape. Congratulations on your weight loss.
It was not meant to be an attack on anyone, more so an attack on how labels are being use improperly. I think it would be lovely for a magazine to show diverse body types which would include those who are plus sized! In fact, plus size shouldn't even be a separate category! Some hourglass shapes weigh less than others, same goes for pear and apple shapes. I guess I should just find some better magazines!0 -
Hell, I want to take a crack at this girl. I've gone from a size 22 to a size 12/14. And you know what? I think I'm curvy even if I'm plus sized. Yeah, I have some fat ON me. That doesn't make me fat. It's jerkfaces like you that make me question whether I'm "good enough." You can't coin a term. Most words are subjective in there OWN regard. I don't give a **** if you have an opinion, but if it's impolite, kindly keep it to yourself, or in the least, don't make a ****ing post about it.
This is ME. I'm pretty ****ing curvy in my opinion. What do YOU all think?
If you had thoroughly read my post and my rebuttal, you would have seen that I nowhere did I say that women who are plus sized can't be curvy! Of course they can. But they can also be an apple or a pear or even rather rectangular. Being plus sized does not dictate your body shape. Congratulations on your weight loss.
this pic actually illustrates my point.
Curvy but completely the opposite of my body type (which cannot be characterized as anything other than curvy or extreme hourglass)
saying she is curvy and I'm curvy means that I will never be able to buy clothes.
it's a good thing I can sew!!!!
not saying there is anything wrong with anyone's definition of their body type, only saying that it makes those of us who are extreme versions of a certain type always miss out.0 -
Warning: This is a rant, if you don't want to read it--move on.
So this past weekend I was skimming through a magazine (a fashion one, I don't remember the name). Anyways, they had a section showing how every body type could wear a certain jacket, and which one was best for each. The included body types were: "petite", "tall", "pear", "athletic", and "curvy". The "petite" woman was short, but proportional. The "tall" was the same, but tall. The "pear" shaped was exactly that, small on top and larger on the bottom.The "athletic" body was essentially a rectangular body shape. The "curvy" was a plus sized woman (size 18 or 20 ish).
I was immediately pissed. I don't understand why "curvy" has come to replace the term "plus sized". I am NOT plus sized, I am curvy. My measurements are 37-27-38. None of the body types they included were accurate to my body type, and I feel like this is common in magazines. Why can't we just call plus sized plus sized?
"Curvy" is meant to be an hourglass figure, and I hate that the word has been taken over by those who are plus sized and merely want to avoid the term "plus sized". It's stupid. I'm NOT SAYING that women that are plus sized can't be hourglass shapes. That happens a lot!! But, I don't know...it just bothers me when it's implied that curvy means fat.
Ugh.
/rant.
You seem to be offended by the use of labels.
There's a solution to that: stop using them. Stop valuing or devaluing people who might be described by them.0 -
Thank goodness you didn't post your rant anywhere that "plus-sized" people could read it! That could be interpreted as insensitive.
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Back in my day.. CURVY meant something.
I remember watching Baywatch and loving a curvy Pamela Anderson and Yasmine Bleeth. That was curvy.
Now the word 'curvy' has been hijacked by obese women and means something completely different.
Same with word 'husky' for men. Now, every obese man thinks he's husky, that just ain't right.0 -
Back in my day.. CURVY meant something.
I remember watching Baywatch and loving a curvy Pamela Anderson and Yasmine Bleeth. That was curvy.
Now the word 'curvy' has been hijacked by obese women and means something completely different.
Same with word 'husky' for men. Now, every obese man thinks he's husky, that just ain't right.
I'd clap, but you are about to be lynched.
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Back in my day.. CURVY meant something.
I remember watching Baywatch and loving a curvy Pamela Anderson and Yasmine Bleeth. That was curvy.
Now the word 'curvy' has been hijacked by obese women and means something completely different.
Same with word 'husky' for men. Now, every obese man thinks he's husky, that just ain't right.
I'm gonna go ahead and disagree with you. Having large breasts does not make you curvy. For example, Kate Upton is not an hourglass. She has enormous breasts, but is she "curvy". I wouldn't say so. Does that make her any less attractive? NO! Women of all sizes can be different body shapes, and there is nothing wrong with that.0 -
Also curvy doesn't only mean hour-glass shaped. I know a lot of women who have big butts and hips and a small waist with no breasts. They are still curvy. Just like a woman who has big breasts and shoulders...she can still be curvy. Curvy IS plus size but I don't think its obese. Then again i have seen people considered obese that are very curvy and pull it off well. Thats like me saying a skinny girl isn't curvy because she is too thin. Maybe for her frame she has something going on. Anyway who cares.0
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Back in my day.. CURVY meant something.
I remember watching Baywatch and loving a curvy Pamela Anderson and Yasmine Bleeth. That was curvy.
Now the word 'curvy' has been hijacked by obese women and means something completely different.
Same with word 'husky' for men. Now, every obese man thinks he's husky, that just ain't right.
haha just as i was about to say popcorn is done - you are about to get slammed
*more popcorn*0
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