Curvy Does Not Mean Plus Sized!
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This is just silly. Women have all kinds of curves, there are all kinds of ways to be curvy. It does not bother me when people use the term however it applies. I just think it's odd when people think the term can only apply to one "special" body type. It's ridiculous. I just ignore the silliness.0
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alright then, what do you call extremely curvy all over girls with actual hourglass figures when both the terms "curvy" and "hourglass" have been corrupted from their original meanings?0
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This whole thread is just :sick: .0
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Back in my day.. CURVY meant something.
I remember watching Baywatch and loving a curvy Pamela Anderson and Yasmine Bleeth. That was curvy.
Now the word 'curvy' has been hijacked by obese women and means something completely different.
Same with word 'husky' for men. Now, every obese man thinks he's husky, that just ain't right.
You forgot chubby, full figured, big boned, & chunky.0 -
And people wonder why some women have body image and self esteem problems? See what we are up against? And this on a fitness site. The real world is worse.0
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i can see why this would be aggrevating. why do people extremely over weight think they have curves when lumps might be more accurate lol ( I also have lumps they are getting smaller but you dont see me loving them either)
Holy effing shizz, and we're friends? :noway:0 -
This whole thread is just :sick: .
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Why are you only considering breasts in the equation? Several women on Baywatch had curves thanks to their hip-to-waist ratio as well as distribution of above average lean body mass to below average fat mass.Back in my day.. CURVY meant something.
I remember watching Baywatch and loving a curvy Pamela Anderson and Yasmine Bleeth. That was curvy.
Now the word 'curvy' has been hijacked by obese women and means something completely different.
Same with word 'husky' for men. Now, every obese man thinks he's husky, that just ain't right.
I'm gonna go ahead and disagree with you. Having large breasts does not make you curvy. For example, Kate Upton is not an hourglass. She has enormous breasts, but is she "curvy". I wouldn't say so. Does that make her any less attractive? NO! Women of all sizes can be different body shapes, and there is nothing wrong with that.0 -
Back in my day.. CURVY meant something.
I remember watching Baywatch and loving a curvy Pamela Anderson and Yasmine Bleeth. That was curvy.
Now the word 'curvy' has been hijacked by obese women and means something completely different.
Same with word 'husky' for men. Now, every obese man thinks he's husky, that just ain't right.
You forgot chubby, full figured, big boned, & chunky.
Those definitions have been pretty consistent over the years. 'curvy' is completely different now.0 -
I'm very confused. The girl in the picture who was 'plus sized' had curves, but wasn't 'curvy'?
The definition of curvy is someone having curves - I didn't realise there was a weight limit as to where 'curvy' stop and 'fat' starts, because apparently once you reach a certain weight your curves are no longer classed as curves.
Just because two people weigh in at different numbers, that doesn't affect their body shape - note, shape has nothing to do with weight. A square is a square no matter how large it may be.0 -
Um, both of these women are curvy. One is thin. One is heavy. Curvy is a body shape, so I agree with the OP.
I don't like that people automatically assume I am fat if I say I am curvy. I think that is what the OP is getting at. I am curvy and overweight at present, hoping to be curvy and a healthy weight some day soon.0 -
This whole thread is just :sick: .
Agreed
:huh: :noway:i can see why this would be aggrevating. why do people extremely over weight think they have curves when lumps might be more accurate lol ( I also have lumps they are getting smaller but you dont see me loving them either)
Holy effing shizz, and we're friends? :noway:0 -
Come on people, this is not a serious problem. Get over it. People can see your body anyway, they can see with their eyes all the stuff you want to describe to them. Go ahead and describe it exactly as you do. Trying to describe body type is a made-up, non-problem. Take this energy and go do something productive instead of worrying over this. Seriously, if this is a major problem for you, you probably aren't a very interesting person. Who the hell cares.0
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I come here for support and motivation to become a healthier person. Part of that motivation is derived from helping others. However, reading post from others who clearly believe it is not only okay to bash and put down people with weight to lose, it is cheered on by others. On the opposite side, there is skinny bashing going on as well. The solution is easy, grow up.
If you are here for support to changing your life to become healthier, please stay. If your worthless negative energy, please stop logging on and leave us all alone.
I try to see the good in each person I come across, but these forums have made me start to want every nasty person to get a paper cut on their genitals.0 -
having read one page of responses bashing the OP (i have not read past the first page because frankly, it was boring) I'm going to jump in defending the poor "insecure" and "fat bashing" OP
Maybe she didn't mean it the way you all thought?
And even if she did, so what? So much garbage is posted here daily, why is this worth all the fuss?
That said, I sympathize personally with the OP's message as I read it, if not how it might have been phrased.
I am personally an exaggerated hourglass with a huge rack.
My personal issues with this are legion, here are the biggest pet peeves I have regarding this:
1- just about any bras that would possibly fit me are called "plus-sized" even though I wear a 32 band. I'm sorry, Not to bash on Plus sizes at all, but calling a 32 band "PLUS" is just wrong and confusing. Also, plus size women have a much easier time finding bras in their sizes than average women with large boobs (another thing I could rant on about for hours!)
2- no clothing is EVER made for my body type, and this is because only 8% of women actually ARE hourglasses, even if about 60-75% of women THINK they are hourglasses, so YES, I do think in some cases miss-using a term whether, hourglass, or curvy, or busty, can very much impact the industry and the availability and ease of finding things that do fit. For example, if i read a review of a dress i like and someone says "I'm an hourglass shape and this fit like a dream" and then I buy the dress and find, as always, it's 5 inches too small on my boobs and 4 inches too big on my waist, f*** yes, I'm upset with the bastardization of the language.
3- if, as someone mentioned, the plus sized model was actually and hourglass, then fine, but if she was simply larger and rounded but otherwise a pear shape or an apple, then I agree with the OP, her shape was already represented in the ad/article while the OP's mostly hourglass figure was not. and yes, I personally hate that my "type" is either misrepresented or not represented at all. I couldn't really say without seeing the ad in question, but let's not hate on the poor girl just because she feels marginalized.
I could go on, but this post is already longer than it should be.
But please, just let the girl rant and move on.
This!!
I'm in the same boat and clothes shopping is still a pain even after losing all this weight. (Blouses are the worst!) I'd never heard of curvy used as another term for plus-sized until I went on dating websites where it's the option they use so guys always read "curvy" to mean "fat". I'd always equated curvy with being an hourglass shape, but so many people use it to mean so many things.0 -
Come on people, this is not a serious problem. Get over it. People can see your body anyway, they can see with their eyes all the stuff you want to describe to them. Go ahead and describe it exactly as you do. Trying to describe body type is a made-up, non-problem. Take this energy and go do something productive instead of worrying over this. seriously, if this is a major problem for you, you probably aren't a very interesting person.
in some ways, it is a serious problem.
for example, I cannot buy a dress (not stretchy) that fits me anywhere In North America. Not one. I buy my clothing from an English shop that specialises in "curvy" sizes. the have a clothing size and usually 3 curvy ratings on each piece of clothing they sell (curvy, really curvy, super curvy)
now, as that shop gets more popular and they want to sell as much as they can (like everyone else) they have actually started making their clothing LESS curvy so even their super curvy size no longer fits my ample chest.
yes, I'm the extreme, but, what all this homogenization and semantic shifts mean to me is that I can no longer buy a dress that's not spandex, anywhere. Ever. And I can't even write to any manufacturers to complain about it, because there are no words for MY body type. Curvy is no longer my term, and neither is "hourglass" now that 70% of women use it to define themselves.
so yes, semantics matter.
I no longer exist. I've been marginalized.
I don't care what everyone else defines themselves as, but what am I when every term that once pertained to me is now "semantically shifted" to encompass almost all women?
And I can't even complain about having lost what words I once used to define myself without risking being called a "fattist"0 -
Here's a tip, OP. Instead of basing your choice of clothes on what they look like on a complete stranger in a magazine, go into the shop and try them on for yourself. It gets you out of the house and it's great fun.0
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Can't find clothes that fit? You act like you're part of some marginalized, downtrodden group of women who clothing manufacturers don't make clothing for. No, newsflash, clothing is not made for most women. It's made to fit some weird ideal "average" woman that doesn't exist. So whether you're curvy or a ruler or a pear or an apple, it's going to be difficult to find clothes that fit, because guess what! When you're manufacturing clothing you have to make it so it fits as many people as possible, but unfortunately that has the result of not fitting MOST of us properly. If it did tailors wouldn't be in business.0
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This!!
I'm in the same boat and clothes shopping is still a pain even after losing all this weight. (Blouses are the worst!) I'd never heard of curvy used as another term for plus-sized until I went on dating websites where it's the option they use so guys always read "curvy" to mean "fat". I'd always equated curvy with being an hourglass shape, but so many people use it to mean so many things.
*is so happy someone actually read my post!*0 -
What I have learned from this post:
No one wants to be called fat. Even in a case of mistaken labeling.0 -
You were already an extreme though. Now you're just doubly extreme. It's like anew flavor at DQ!so yes, semantics matter.
I no longer exist. I've been marginalized.
I don't care what everyone else defines themselves as, but what am I when every term that once pertained to me is now "semantically shifted" to encompass almost all women?
And I can't even complain about having lost what words I once used to define myself without risking being called a "fattist"
Language is fluid.0 -
Can't find clothes that fit? You act like you're part of some marginalized, downtrodden group of women who clothing manufacturers don't make clothing for. No, newsflash, clothing is not made for most women. It's made to fit some weird ideal "average" woman that doesn't exist. So whether you're curvy or a ruler or a pear or an apple, it's going to be difficult to find clothes that fit, because guess what! When you're manufacturing clothing you have to make it so it fits as many people as possible, but unfortunately that has the result of not fitting MOST of us properly. If it did tailors wouldn't be in business.
you obviously have no idea.
I'm sure if you and I both went into the same store and had the same clerks take our measurements and bring us 10 dress to try on, of the ten at least 4 would fit you (regardless of it you liked the style/cut/fabric/colour or not)
not one would fit me. Not in ANY store.
Once upon a time, I COULD buy clothes. Not with great ease, but I could get some things if I looked hard enough. then vanity sizing came in, and "curvy" meant something new, and hourglasses were every woman who had a slight waist dip.
Of course I don't expect everything to fit me properly. No woman ever finds all clothes fit her properly.
But nothing fits me. Ever. And I'm not really that weirdly shaped.
I am marginalized.
I am forgotten.
I am lost in a sea of "curvy" clothes for average women, plus sizes labelled 1,2,3. Size 8 jeans that are really size 12.
and you think I have no right to whine? to complain? to resent that all the words that once defined my figure and all the clothes that were once designed for some varuation of my figure no longer fit me?
Try walking one day in my clothing.0 -
Can't find clothes that fit? You act like you're part of some marginalized, downtrodden group of women who clothing manufacturers don't make clothing for. No, newsflash, clothing is not made for most women. It's made to fit some weird ideal "average" woman that doesn't exist. So whether you're curvy or a ruler or a pear or an apple, it's going to be difficult to find clothes that fit, because guess what! When you're manufacturing clothing you have to make it so it fits as many people as possible, but unfortunately that has the result of not fitting MOST of us properly. If it did tailors wouldn't be in business.
Exactly. The reality is that the clothing companies sell clothing that sells the most (that's the way the world of consumerism has always been). I am a size 00 and smaller than an xs. Most stores do not sell clothing that fits me. I buy the smallest size and still need to get the waist taken in because for a small person I still have a curvy behind (oh no, I said curvy). If this brings a person to terror and tears, then I apologize for my callousness. But, really if this is a major problem, just count yourself as blessed and lucky to not have suffered from tragedy and hardship or to have seen others go through it. But, there are plenty of people in this world that don't even have a single pair of shoes and they are starving. I just think it never hurts to put things into perspective, it helps it not to feel like a bigger problem than it needs to be. A problem that can be handled by a tailor.0 -
Would you feel better if you were referred to as the one with the huge knockers and *kitten*?0
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You were already an extreme though. Now you're just doubly extreme. It's like anew flavor at DQ!so yes, semantics matter.
I no longer exist. I've been marginalized.
I don't care what everyone else defines themselves as, but what am I when every term that once pertained to me is now "semantically shifted" to encompass almost all women?
And I can't even complain about having lost what words I once used to define myself without risking being called a "fattist"
Language is fluid.
yes, I'm not arguing that I was already at one end of the spectrum, but there was at least place for me on it.
I'm also a purist, and will argue that words do still mean what they originally meant even if their current usage has been perverted.
That said, I've already asked once in this topic, but I'll ask again. If curvy and hourglass are no longer mine what can I (and all of the women in the same boat as me) use to define me?
Pears have their words, plus sized women have their words, rectangular and athletic women have their words.
I don't want to question their definitions, I don't want to take anything away from their respective beauty. I simply want a word of my own, and a place to buy clothing.0 -
Would you feel better if you were referred to as the one with the huge knockers and *kitten*?
yes.0 -
whether people in this thread like it or not, "fat" is a no-no term. People are too ridiculously pc these days to call anything what it really is, so they like to use euphemisms.
Just the other day someone described me as "voluptuous" (I took that as a compliment), and that person was immediately corrected by someone else (I assume, trying to protect my feelings), who said, "oh, no, she's not big--are you crazy?".
SMH.0 -
Can't find clothes that fit? You act like you're part of some marginalized, downtrodden group of women who clothing manufacturers don't make clothing for. No, newsflash, clothing is not made for most women. It's made to fit some weird ideal "average" woman that doesn't exist. So whether you're curvy or a ruler or a pear or an apple, it's going to be difficult to find clothes that fit, because guess what! When you're manufacturing clothing you have to make it so it fits as many people as possible, but unfortunately that has the result of not fitting MOST of us properly. If it did tailors wouldn't be in business.
Exactly. The reality is that the clothing companies sell clothing that sells the most (that's the way the world of consumerism has always been). I am a size 00 and smaller than an xs. Most stores do not sell clothing that fits me. I buy the smallest size and still need to get the waist taken in because for a small person I still have a curvy behind (oh no, I said curvy). If this brings a person to terror and tears, then I apologize for my callousness. But, really if this is a major problem, just count yourself as blessed and lucky to not have suffered from tragedy and hardship or to have seen others go through it. But, there are plenty of people in this world that don't even have a single pair of shoes and they are starving. I just think it never hurts to put things into perspective, it helps it not to feel like a bigger problem than it needs to be. A problem that can be handled by a tailor.
you have to get the waist taken in.
ok
I have to buy a dress 3-4 sizes too big and get EVERYTHING taken in.
the waist 5-6 sizes, the hips several sizes, the shoulders, the neck, the length usually, the ARMHOLES, the sleeves.
you either don't sew, or have no concept of how clothing is made.
even a master seamstress has trouble taking in everything but the bust without altering the lines, the style, and the general look of a dress.
sometimes things like armholes can't be taken in. It's a matter of needing more fabric, not less.
and even if this feat can be performed, you think it's fine that I have to pay hundreds of dollars to alter one or two pieces of clothing?
I don;t ask for things to fit perfectly.
I'd be very very very happy to take in the waist, like you, if only clothing was made for hourglass figures.0
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