Curvy Does Not Mean Plus Sized!
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whether people in this thread like it or not, "fat" is a no-no term. People are too ridiculously pc these days to call anything what it really is, so they like to use euphemisms.
Just the other day someone described me as "voluptuous" (I took that as a compliment), and that person was immediately corrected by someone else (I assume, trying to protect my feelings), who said, "oh, no, she's not big--are you crazy?".
SMH.
that's why semantics are important.0 -
And the sad part about this post is that it's going to get upwards of 100+ B*tchy responses while people with actual questions and concerns on the boards get ignored. Off to go help someone ....
You're right! I'll just let people bash all the body types they want because someone elsewhere is urgently waiting for me to tell them if their tea counts as water or not! Gotta go guys!!
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I don;t ask for things to fit perfectly.
I'd be very very very happy to take in the waist, like you, if only clothing was made for hourglass figures.
Have you seen Bettie Page and Stop Staring dresses? Awesome.
If you're ever in San Diego, check out Temptress Fashion in Ocean Beach.
BTW, the name for our figures: Pin-ups
check out the website and the link from the fashion show!
http://www.temptressfashion.com/events/temptress-pageant0 -
Can't find clothes that fit? You act like you're part of some marginalized, downtrodden group of women who clothing manufacturers don't make clothing for. No, newsflash, clothing is not made for most women. It's made to fit some weird ideal "average" woman that doesn't exist. So whether you're curvy or a ruler or a pear or an apple, it's going to be difficult to find clothes that fit, because guess what! When you're manufacturing clothing you have to make it so it fits as many people as possible, but unfortunately that has the result of not fitting MOST of us properly. If it did tailors wouldn't be in business.
Exactly. The reality is that the clothing companies sell clothing that sells the most (that's the way the world of consumerism has always been). I am a size 00 and smaller than an xs. Most stores do not sell clothing that fits me. I buy the smallest size and still need to get the waist taken in because for a small person I still have a curvy behind (oh no, I said curvy). If this brings a person to terror and tears, then I apologize for my callousness. But, really if this is a major problem, just count yourself as blessed and lucky to not have suffered from tragedy and hardship or to have seen others go through it. But, there are plenty of people in this world that don't even have a single pair of shoes and they are starving. I just think it never hurts to put things into perspective, it helps it not to feel like a bigger problem than it needs to be. A problem that can be handled by a tailor.
you have to get the waist taken in.
ok
I have to buy a dress 3-4 sizes too big and get EVERYTHING taken in.
the waist 5-6 sizes, the hips several sizes, the shoulders, the neck, the length usually, the ARMHOLES, the sleeves.
you either don't sew, or have no concept of how clothing is made.
even a master seamstress has trouble taking in everything but the bust without altering the lines, the style, and the general look of a dress.
sometimes things like armholes can't be taken in. It's a matter of needing more fabric, not less.
and even if this feat can be performed, you think it's fine that I have to pay hundreds of dollars to alter one or two pieces of clothing?
I don;t ask for things to fit perfectly.
I'd be very very very happy to take in the waist, like you, if only clothing was made for hourglass figures.
I'm sorry you have this problem. And I do not mean to have upset you.
But, it was not caused by the term curvy meaning a lot of different things. Curvy on a pair of jeans has nothing to do with breasts.
I can see that you love your body, so at least this problem has not caused you to want to alter your body. There is a silver lining.0 -
whether people in this thread like it or not, "fat" is a no-no term. People are too ridiculously pc these days to call anything what it really is, so they like to use euphemisms.
Just the other day someone described me as "voluptuous" (I took that as a compliment), and that person was immediately corrected by someone else (I assume, trying to protect my feelings), who said, "oh, no, she's not big--are you crazy?".
SMH.
Over the years, I've been called thick, curvy, and my favorite: built like a brick house. I've never taken it as anything other than a compliment, regardless of whether I was thinner or heavier.0 -
I don;t ask for things to fit perfectly.
I'd be very very very happy to take in the waist, like you, if only clothing was made for hourglass figures.
Have you seen Bettie Page and Stop Staring dresses? Awesome.
If you're ever in San Diego, check out Temptress Fashion in Ocean Beach.
BTW, the name for our figures: Pin-ups
check out the website and the link from the fashion show!
http://www.temptressfashion.com/events/temptress-pageant
I'll check them out, thanks
and I love the belly dancing pic, I used to dance, but never could find anything remotely close to my size.0 -
My panty hose says that I'm queen size. That cracks me up!0
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I don;t ask for things to fit perfectly.
I'd be very very very happy to take in the waist, like you, if only clothing was made for hourglass figures.
Have you seen Bettie Page and Stop Staring dresses? Awesome.
If you're ever in San Diego, check out Temptress Fashion in Ocean Beach.
BTW, the name for our figures: Pin-ups
check out the website and the link from the fashion show!
http://www.temptressfashion.com/events/temptress-pageant
I'll check them out, thanks
and I love the belly dancing pic, I used to dance, but never could find anything remotely close to my size.
thx. if you want any good belly dance stuff you need to go custom. that bra and belt set is from Turkey, handmade to my measurements and I still had to make adjustments once it arrived. I made the skirt myself.0 -
curvy is subjective, you can be fat and curvy, you can be skinny and curvy, you can be plus sized and curvy. it doesn't matter.
why people get so bothered about what words other people use to describe themselves is something I'll never understand.
I think that is exactly what the OP was saying.. that curvy should not be restircted to people who are plus-sized. I think the rant mainly brings up another euphanism in American culture which needs to be reexamined (it's not really on the top of my list, but could be considered). Why do we bother to label ourselves at all? That's another question altogether.0 -
Would you feel better if you were referred to as the one with the huge knockers and *kitten*?
yes.
That's sorted then. Let the obese women have their new euphemism.
Personally, when I was faced with similar problems with my clothes (although, in all honesty, I was pretty flat chested, being fortunate to make a B cup at times), I described myself as having a small waist. It was less open to interpretation.0 -
All of the "body shape" terminologies mean different things to different people and lead to misunderstandings, and there are many people that do not have one term that describes their body. The reason for that is because it is not actually a science that we are taught in school (luckily because that would actually be down right bizarre).0
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Am I curvy or fat, OP?
I'm a size 18.
Also, ignore the dirty mirror.
Don't bash because you're insecure with yourself.
Not fat or curvy, just HOT! All day..HOT!0 -
Can't find clothes that fit? You act like you're part of some marginalized, downtrodden group of women who clothing manufacturers don't make clothing for. No, newsflash, clothing is not made for most women. It's made to fit some weird ideal "average" woman that doesn't exist. So whether you're curvy or a ruler or a pear or an apple, it's going to be difficult to find clothes that fit, because guess what! When you're manufacturing clothing you have to make it so it fits as many people as possible, but unfortunately that has the result of not fitting MOST of us properly. If it did tailors wouldn't be in business.
you obviously have no idea.
I'm sure if you and I both went into the same store and had the same clerks take our measurements and bring us 10 dress to try on, of the ten at least 4 would fit you (regardless of it you liked the style/cut/fabric/colour or not)
not one would fit me. Not in ANY store.
Once upon a time, I COULD buy clothes. Not with great ease, but I could get some things if I looked hard enough. then vanity sizing came in, and "curvy" meant something new, and hourglasses were every woman who had a slight waist dip.
Of course I don't expect everything to fit me properly. No woman ever finds all clothes fit her properly.
But nothing fits me. Ever. And I'm not really that weirdly shaped.
I am marginalized.
I am forgotten.
I am lost in a sea of "curvy" clothes for average women, plus sizes labelled 1,2,3. Size 8 jeans that are really size 12.
and you think I have no right to whine? to complain? to resent that all the words that once defined my figure and all the clothes that were once designed for some varuation of my figure no longer fit me?
Try walking one day in my clothing.
I never said you had no right to complain. I was just trying to illustrate the fact that clothing is not made for all of us. It's made for a fake mannequin in a store window. In a more progressive society we would have clothing that caters to all body shapes and sizes, but as it stands now unless you're shaped like that mannequin or a model it's inevitable that you will be putting clothes back on the rack and walking out empty handed because you were unsatisfied with the fits.0 -
I don;t ask for things to fit perfectly.
I'd be very very very happy to take in the waist, like you, if only clothing was made for hourglass figures.
Have you seen Bettie Page and Stop Staring dresses? Awesome.
If you're ever in San Diego, check out Temptress Fashion in Ocean Beach.
BTW, the name for our figures: Pin-ups
check out the website and the link from the fashion show!
http://www.temptressfashion.com/events/temptress-pageant
I do own one Stop Staring dress, but I also kind of outgrew the 50s' pinup/rockabilly look years ago as it's just not 'me' anymore, syle-wise. I love that these clothing companies cater to the 'pinup' body shape, but I would love to see some do more contemporary styles with the same type of fit.
But we can't have everything, I 'spose.0 -
Can't find clothes that fit? You act like you're part of some marginalized, downtrodden group of women who clothing manufacturers don't make clothing for. No, newsflash, clothing is not made for most women. It's made to fit some weird ideal "average" woman that doesn't exist. So whether you're curvy or a ruler or a pear or an apple, it's going to be difficult to find clothes that fit, because guess what! When you're manufacturing clothing you have to make it so it fits as many people as possible, but unfortunately that has the result of not fitting MOST of us properly. If it did tailors wouldn't be in business.
Exactly. The reality is that the clothing companies sell clothing that sells the most (that's the way the world of consumerism has always been). I am a size 00 and smaller than an xs. Most stores do not sell clothing that fits me. I buy the smallest size and still need to get the waist taken in because for a small person I still have a curvy behind (oh no, I said curvy). If this brings a person to terror and tears, then I apologize for my callousness. But, really if this is a major problem, just count yourself as blessed and lucky to not have suffered from tragedy and hardship or to have seen others go through it. But, there are plenty of people in this world that don't even have a single pair of shoes and they are starving. I just think it never hurts to put things into perspective, it helps it not to feel like a bigger problem than it needs to be. A problem that can be handled by a tailor.
you have to get the waist taken in.
ok
I have to buy a dress 3-4 sizes too big and get EVERYTHING taken in.
the waist 5-6 sizes, the hips several sizes, the shoulders, the neck, the length usually, the ARMHOLES, the sleeves.
you either don't sew, or have no concept of how clothing is made.
even a master seamstress has trouble taking in everything but the bust without altering the lines, the style, and the general look of a dress.
sometimes things like armholes can't be taken in. It's a matter of needing more fabric, not less.
and even if this feat can be performed, you think it's fine that I have to pay hundreds of dollars to alter one or two pieces of clothing?
I don;t ask for things to fit perfectly.
I'd be very very very happy to take in the waist, like you, if only clothing was made for hourglass figures.
I'm sorry you have this problem. And I do not mean to have upset you.
But, it was not caused by the term curvy meaning a lot of different things. Curvy on a pair of jeans has nothing to do with breasts.
I can see that you love your body, so at least this problem has not caused you to want to alter your body. There is a silver lining.
I do love my proportions, as problematic as they are clothes-wise.
I'm not posting to complain about them, or even about my particular issues with clothing.
I originally posted to defend the OP who was getting slaughtered for what seemed to me objecting to not having her own place in the body spectrum.
still, the "curvy" jeans do hurt me. I see them on the racks and shelves and get my hopes up that for once I'll be able to have a pair fit my hips and butt and not gape at the waist, or slide completely down when i sit because they have to have so much spandex to fit in the first place, and then 30 minutes later i stand in the changing room with 30 pairs of jeans and not one thats fits my "curviness".
I mention breasts because breasts are a bigger issue in terms of clothing as just about all clothes are made for a slightly pear shaped figure. as an extreme hourglass with boobs that are an inch or two larger than my hips, this means i can never find a dress that fits, but I should still be able to find a pair of jeans that fit, no?
but I can't. because curvy isn't curvy. curvy just means stretchy, or ample, or "i want to flatter average bodies to sell more jeans"0 -
You're right. It annoys me when people refer to themselves as hourglass when they're not just because they're carrying around a sizable amount of extra fat. I always thought hourglass was the most coveted and least commonly found body type in women...so I don't understand it when there's a thread and 80% of women answer that they're hourglass. I would love to be an hourglass but I'm an apple. I don't like it because it's disproportional just like pear but I don't delude myself and lie to others.
It also goes both ways. I've seen these supposedly curvy/hourglass ppl get angry when a skinny girl is referred to as something other than a stick/ruler/banana/straight body type. Yeah she is underweight but she has wide hips relative to her upper bod so she's most likely a pear. NOT a "ruler" just because she's underweight. Just like how most women are not "hourglass" just because they're overweight.0 -
I don;t ask for things to fit perfectly.
I'd be very very very happy to take in the waist, like you, if only clothing was made for hourglass figures.
Have you seen Bettie Page and Stop Staring dresses? Awesome.
If you're ever in San Diego, check out Temptress Fashion in Ocean Beach.
BTW, the name for our figures: Pin-ups
check out the website and the link from the fashion show!
http://www.temptressfashion.com/events/temptress-pageant
I do own one Stop Staring dress, but I also kind of outgrew the 50s' pinup/rockabilly look years ago as it's just not 'me' anymore, syle-wise. I love that these clothing companies cater to the 'pinup' body shape, but I would love to see some do more contemporary styles with the same type of fit.
But we can't have everything, I 'spose.
Bravissimo/pepperberry are probably the best out there for a decent range of styles.0 -
Can't find clothes that fit? You act like you're part of some marginalized, downtrodden group of women who clothing manufacturers don't make clothing for. No, newsflash, clothing is not made for most women. It's made to fit some weird ideal "average" woman that doesn't exist. So whether you're curvy or a ruler or a pear or an apple, it's going to be difficult to find clothes that fit, because guess what! When you're manufacturing clothing you have to make it so it fits as many people as possible, but unfortunately that has the result of not fitting MOST of us properly. If it did tailors wouldn't be in business.
Exactly. The reality is that the clothing companies sell clothing that sells the most (that's the way the world of consumerism has always been). I am a size 00 and smaller than an xs. Most stores do not sell clothing that fits me. I buy the smallest size and still need to get the waist taken in because for a small person I still have a curvy behind (oh no, I said curvy). If this brings a person to terror and tears, then I apologize for my callousness. But, really if this is a major problem, just count yourself as blessed and lucky to not have suffered from tragedy and hardship or to have seen others go through it. But, there are plenty of people in this world that don't even have a single pair of shoes and they are starving. I just think it never hurts to put things into perspective, it helps it not to feel like a bigger problem than it needs to be. A problem that can be handled by a tailor.
you have to get the waist taken in.
ok
I have to buy a dress 3-4 sizes too big and get EVERYTHING taken in.
the waist 5-6 sizes, the hips several sizes, the shoulders, the neck, the length usually, the ARMHOLES, the sleeves.
you either don't sew, or have no concept of how clothing is made.
even a master seamstress has trouble taking in everything but the bust without altering the lines, the style, and the general look of a dress.
sometimes things like armholes can't be taken in. It's a matter of needing more fabric, not less.
and even if this feat can be performed, you think it's fine that I have to pay hundreds of dollars to alter one or two pieces of clothing?
I don;t ask for things to fit perfectly.
I'd be very very very happy to take in the waist, like you, if only clothing was made for hourglass figures.
I'm sorry you have this problem. And I do not mean to have upset you.
But, it was not caused by the term curvy meaning a lot of different things. Curvy on a pair of jeans has nothing to do with breasts.
I can see that you love your body, so at least this problem has not caused you to want to alter your body. There is a silver lining.
I do love my proportions, as problematic as they are clothes-wise.
I'm not posting to complain about them, or even about my particular issues with clothing.
I originally posted to defend the OP who was getting slaughtered for what seemed to me objecting to not having her own place in the body spectrum.
still, the "curvy" jeans do hurt me. I see them on the racks and shelves and get my hopes up that for once I'll be able to have a pair fit my hips and butt and not gape at the waist, or slide completely down when i sit because they have to have so much spandex to fit in the first place, and then 30 minutes later i stand in the changing room with 30 pairs of jeans and not one thats fits my "curviness".
I mention breasts because breasts are a bigger issue in terms of clothing as just about all clothes are made for a slightly pear shaped figure. as an extreme hourglass with boobs that are an inch or two larger than my hips, this means i can never find a dress that fits, but I should still be able to find a pair of jeans that fit, no?
but I can't. because curvy isn't curvy. curvy just means stretchy, or ample, or "i want to flatter average bodies to sell more jeans"
Well, like you said to me, the gap at the waist is an easy fix at the tailor. My pants always gap at the waist also, so I take them in. The other issues not as easy to fix (as you explained and I hear you on that).
Personally, I hate shopping and own very little clothing.0 -
I don;t ask for things to fit perfectly.
I'd be very very very happy to take in the waist, like you, if only clothing was made for hourglass figures.
Have you seen Bettie Page and Stop Staring dresses? Awesome.
If you're ever in San Diego, check out Temptress Fashion in Ocean Beach.
BTW, the name for our figures: Pin-ups
check out the website and the link from the fashion show!
http://www.temptressfashion.com/events/temptress-pageant
I do own one Stop Staring dress, but I also kind of outgrew the 50s' pinup/rockabilly look years ago as it's just not 'me' anymore, syle-wise. I love that these clothing companies cater to the 'pinup' body shape, but I would love to see some do more contemporary styles with the same type of fit.
But we can't have everything, I 'spose.
Bravissimo/pepperberry are probably the best out there for a decent range of styles.
I've seen these brands mentioned on fullerfigurefullerbust, I wanted to avoid ordering clothing from overseas but if that's what it takes then so be it.0 -
At least "curvy" sounds better than "portly" or "husky". It was "really fun" shopping for husky size pants as a kid with my Mom back in the day...0
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You're right. It annoys me when people refer to themselves as hourglass when they're not just because they're carrying around a sizable amount of extra fat. I always thought hourglass was the most coveted and least commonly found body type in women...so I don't understand it when there's a thread and 80% of women answer that they're hourglass. I would love to be an hourglass but I'm an apple. I don't like it because it's disproportional just like pear but I don't delude myself and lie to others.
It also goes both ways. I've seen these supposedly curvy/hourglass ppl get angry when a skinny girl is referred to as something other than a stick/ruler/banana/straight body type. Yeah she is underweight but she has wide hips relative to her upper bod so she's most likely a pear. NOT a "ruler" just because she's underweight. Just like how most women are not "hourglass" just because they're overweight.
these terms do have a definition.
and in most cases it's proportional.
extra weight does not preclude you from being an hourglass. or a pear, or a ruler.
I am not skinny. I'm probably not even average. My weight is "over" what it should be, but my proportions at any weight remain those of an extreme hourglass.
and yes, I'm not trying to bash people who think they are one thing or another, but I do find that people misjudging their "type" for any reason does tend to make both shopping and clarifying far harder for me. yes. our definitions change, yes, our clothing sizes have changed, but it's hard for me (and I'm assuming other women like me) to accept that the changes mean that we become entirely forgotten.0 -
The only reason I ever agree with OP is because girls with our figure (op's and mine) have almost disappeared and it's frustrating. We don't make it into magazines or movies anymore. If you pay attention in pop media now a days the girl is either tiny or overweight (which is FINE) but where has the middle gone? The girls who are in their healthy body weight, but aren't tiny, and have that hourglass? Other than that, the presentation from OP wasn't very desirable and I think insecurities are quite obvious in the delivery.0
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Here you go:
http://www.eshakti.com/default.aspx
Every item of clothing FULLY customizable to your exact measurements.0 -
I don;t ask for things to fit perfectly.
I'd be very very very happy to take in the waist, like you, if only clothing was made for hourglass figures.
Have you seen Bettie Page and Stop Staring dresses? Awesome.
If you're ever in San Diego, check out Temptress Fashion in Ocean Beach.
BTW, the name for our figures: Pin-ups
check out the website and the link from the fashion show!
http://www.temptressfashion.com/events/temptress-pageant
I do own one Stop Staring dress, but I also kind of outgrew the 50s' pinup/rockabilly look years ago as it's just not 'me' anymore, syle-wise. I love that these clothing companies cater to the 'pinup' body shape, but I would love to see some do more contemporary styles with the same type of fit.
But we can't have everything, I 'spose.
Bravissimo/pepperberry are probably the best out there for a decent range of styles.
I've seen these brands mentioned on fullerfigurefullerbust, I wanted to avoid ordering clothing from overseas but if that's what it takes then so be it.
georgina is great!
lol
Pepperberry/Bravissimo can by quite pricey but their sales are good, and they ship for a flat rate so no matter what you order it only costs 8GBP.
usually the styles vary, and some fit better than others, depending on what your particular body type/shape/ proportion is.
as a longer torsoed hourglass i find the waists are often too high. I usually end up buying 4 or 5 dresses and liking one, but thats better than i get anywhere else!
message me if you want specific advice re their styles, I have tried just about everything they make!
BIUBIU is also ok, but i find the quality a bit spotty.0 -
I don;t ask for things to fit perfectly.
I'd be very very very happy to take in the waist, like you, if only clothing was made for hourglass figures.
Have you seen Bettie Page and Stop Staring dresses? Awesome.
If you're ever in San Diego, check out Temptress Fashion in Ocean Beach.
BTW, the name for our figures: Pin-ups
check out the website and the link from the fashion show!
http://www.temptressfashion.com/events/temptress-pageant
I'll check them out, thanks
and I love the belly dancing pic, I used to dance, but never could find anything remotely close to my size.
thx. if you want any good belly dance stuff you need to go custom. that bra and belt set is from Turkey, handmade to my measurements and I still had to make adjustments once it arrived. I made the skirt myself.
I meant to make my own bra, as I can sew rather well (had to learn to get clothes to fit!!!) but never got around to it!0 -
lol @ yet another curvy post >.< why can't people just leave it alone already. We come in all shapes, sizes and colors, who gives a rats *kitten* what other people think of your body. It only bothers you because you don't like yourself, I used to be that way when I was a size 8 and found out that was the size of a plus sized model. I am a size 15 now and couldn't care less what someone else thinks of my body.0
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Ok, so everyone thinks the OP should not worry about what other women call themselves but there's alot of people who sure care alot about what she's saying. Lets all calm down and agree to disagree. I don't think anyone should go around calling people fat, but I think of curvy as being hourglass and I think that's what OP was saying. Hourglass shape is a certain figure, you have it or you don't. I believe it's a 10 inch difference between waist and hips. (Don't bite my head off if I'm wrong). Bottom line, OP said it wrong and hurt feelings/offended and 2. There's alot of people who are being just as mean as she as in bashing her. Lets all calm down, k?0
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I just use "Rubenesque".0
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Curvy Does Not Mean Plus Sized. Agreed. DON'T SHOOT ME, READ ON.
I totally get OP's frustration with the labels being misused. Sizes are too, to sell clothing.
The thing is though, that it would sell way more clothing and be way less insulting, to just have the body types grouped as they are as OP described from the article and with "Curvy" meaning an hourglass figure where the waist comes in considerably (.7) from the bust and hips. Then no matter what the number they could be any of those shapes.
"petite", "tall", "pear", "athletic", and "curvy". So then you could have anything from a size 00 to size 20 or X sizing in ANY of the body shapes. Problem solved.
Because that's how women are actually formed. I've seen size 0 girls and women: athletic, petite, and curvy, and pear. Think about it haven't you? I've also seen size 18 of all these body types. It would be nice if the makers of said clothes could also remember that petite women have different proportions, as from average ones and tall ones. I suspect plus-sized women have proportions all their own no matter what their shape but then the makers could just start adjusting the proportions at whatever size that begins happening be it 12 or 22 or whatnot. ( By proportions I refer to the commonly known idea that a petite woman's arm length and inseam compared to the other parts of her are not a simple division equation from the middle of the norm.)
This would eliminate any need to describe a larger woman as "curvy" if she's a pear shape or rectangle and the description does not apply leaving that use for those who are in fact "curvy". It also eliminates the need for the term "plus-sized" at all. There is to my knowledge no use of the word "fat" or "whale" in the fashion industry, but whatever husbands are calling their wives really does not address OP's concern at all. The end.
[If there was ever a time I wanted to be the last word on any post, this. is. it.]0
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