Curvy Does Not Mean Plus Sized!

TigressPat

http://www.pinupgirlclothing.com/veronica-dress-navy.html

See above for an actual hourglass figure. A lot of women claiming to have one, don't... Yet no one is harping on them for claiming it. Well, that I've seen anyway.

I would, if I could get away with it!
lol

toaster6

Seems like everyone is mad at OP but she has a valid point. In terms of the fit of clothing, there is a distinction between "curvy" and "plus sized"-- the first is referring to bust to waist to hip ratios while the later is simply a category of clothing sizes so you can be any shape AND plus sized. If you are looking for clothing that will best suit your figure, you need to make that distinction. Plus sized is NOT always the same as curvy. Not all plus sized women are shaped the same so it's silly for a fashion magazine to do a write up that suggests that they are. For example, my aunt is a size 20, and she isn't hour glass (curvy) shaped, she's more rectangular (low bust to waist to hip ratio). If she wants to advice as to what clothing best flatters her body, she wouldn't look at "curvy" she would look at rectangular or apple shaped.

j3nnal3igh13

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: This made this whole thread tolerable. Thank you!!! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

bowtiekitty

Was this really worth it's own post? Okay, you're curvy and those fat girls should be called fat because your body type is better and how dare they...:yawn:

get over it.

curvy is subjective, you can be fat and curvy, you can be skinny and curvy, you can be plus sized and curvy. it doesn't matter.
why people get so bothered about what words other people use to describe themselves is something I'll never understand.

people that are self-conscious and want an outlet that doesn't include self-blame or self-reflection make posts like these

sonhando

I think a lot of people in this thread need to go back and read the first post - many of the responses are far more *****y and personal that the OP was ("sorry you are so insecure darlin", "get over it" "way to insult every one here" etc).

I personally didn't see much wrong with the OP, the point she was making is one that many other people have made and agreed with, I didn't see the OP judging others just saying that it personally annoys her that the word curvy HAS seemed to change in meaning in recent years - she even said herself what many of you seem to be sarcastically pointing out - that a woman of any size CAN be curvy but the one in this magazine wasn't.

Seriously, read it a few times before getting annoyed and firing off a response that makes no sense.

I agree. though I also think OP should realize the publisher is trying to sell magazines!!!

meeper123

i can see why this would be aggrevating. why do people extremely over weight think they have curves when lumps might be more accurate lol ( I also have lumps they are getting smaller but you dont see me loving them either)

Holy effing shizz, and we're friends? :noway:

I am allowed to think whatever i like you being my friend wont change that its my body i was talking about

gr8pillock

Can't find clothes that fit? You act like you're part of some marginalized, downtrodden group of women who clothing manufacturers don't make clothing for. No, newsflash, clothing is not made for most women. It's made to fit some weird ideal "average" woman that doesn't exist. So whether you're curvy or a ruler or a pear or an apple, it's going to be difficult to find clothes that fit, because guess what! When you're manufacturing clothing you have to make it so it fits as many people as possible, but unfortunately that has the result of not fitting MOST of us properly. If it did tailors wouldn't be in business.

Exactly. The reality is that the clothing companies sell clothing that sells the most (that's the way the world of consumerism has always been). I am a size 00 and smaller than an xs. Most stores do not sell clothing that fits me. I buy the smallest size and still need to get the waist taken in because for a small person I still have a curvy behind (oh no, I said curvy). If this brings a person to terror and tears, then I apologize for my callousness. But, really if this is a major problem, just count yourself as blessed and lucky to not have suffered from tragedy and hardship or to have seen others go through it. But, there are plenty of people in this world that don't even have a single pair of shoes and they are starving. I just think it never hurts to put things into perspective, it helps it not to feel like a bigger problem than it needs to be. A problem that can be handled by a tailor.

you have to get the waist taken in.
ok
I have to buy a dress 3-4 sizes too big and get EVERYTHING taken in.
the waist 5-6 sizes, the hips several sizes, the shoulders, the neck, the length usually, the ARMHOLES, the sleeves.

you either don't sew, or have no concept of how clothing is made.
even a master seamstress has trouble taking in everything but the bust without altering the lines, the style, and the general look of a dress.
sometimes things like armholes can't be taken in. It's a matter of needing more fabric, not less.

and even if this feat can be performed, you think it's fine that I have to pay hundreds of dollars to alter one or two pieces of clothing?

I don;t ask for things to fit perfectly.
I'd be very very very happy to take in the waist, like you, if only clothing was made for hourglass figures.

I have to get dresses two to three or more sizes bigger to accommodate my boobs, and I'm not complaining at all. It is what it is. I buy stretchy material dresses and I move the hell on. I'm used to it, not angry about it. Unfortunately, the average bra size in America is still only 36 C and that's up since a decade ago from a B cup due to breast augmentation being on the rise. No matter what we busty girls do, we are not the median, we are not the average, we are unique and special snowflakes and that's that. I'm a 34F... when Victoria's Secret started selling DDD's I went bonkers because a 36 DDD would actually look nice on me and I could finally buy in Vickies! Amazing day. Rejoice in your tits, or have them down sized, and accept that we're not the norm and clothes companies are looking to make a profit and a niche market isn't what the bigger conglomerates are catering too. (Above D is less than 1% of the female population, last I looked.)

honey, I'm a 32J... if you need 2-3 sizes for your boobs I need 6.

....Ok, then cry on. Cry for as long as you need.

FlaxMilk

Let's just go by measurement sizes like guys do. Then people can buy clothing that fits without worrying about what other people call themselves to describe their bodies.

rachelannexo

This is the best thread I've seen so far- I didn't know there was trolls on MFP! Haha

AllAboutThatTreble

That's why I no longer read magazines. Most just make people feel insecure and flawed so it's easier to sell them stuff. Curvy is a shape, not a size.

Improvised

Yet another fine example of people being unduly concerned with what others say and do. Sad.

Sums up the entire thread.

cheerbabe080790

I agree with the girl who ranted about the curvy vs plus sized situation. It is kinda ridiculous that fat women call themselves curvy. I'm a big proponent of "call it what it is.." If your fat you aren't curvy, your rolly polly....circular....protruding...I mean c'mon, find better adj. to describe yourself. Scarlet johansson, Christina Hendrix...these women are curvy...fat people just need to call themselves what they are! Curvy denotes a body type that is hippy and maybe busty. If you have rolls, and so much skin that you can't feel you're hip bones, and you're boobs are only large because your fat has nowhere else to go....then your fat. The media, magazines, etc have no problem calling people too skinny, stick thin, whatever...but for some reason they call ridiculously fat women curvy...Just use the word. If your fat you're fat, if it bothers you to be in the fat category, then fix it. Simple as that. I can say that because I've been every size in the book. When I was fat I called myself fat...is what it is.

lfergurson1

I find it sad that on a site where people come here to focus on health and fitness we still feel the need to single people out does anyone really care curvy plus size whatever ... your self worth can be incredible and your body look like crap or your body can look like a work of art and your self worth be crap is this worth the text its taken up love the skin your in get healthy be healthy if you arent plus sized keep a good attitude and dont allow yourself to get that way. if you are plus sized get healthy and get over it. Enough said.

jkleon86

well dear, I am full figured , Over weight, Fat , fallaciously fluffy, you name it, size 22-24 but getting dressed or undressed, bathing or anything else I find I have to slow down for the curves all the time I am here though to round out some of them :ohwell: .

inskydiamonds

I agree with the girl who ranted about the curvy vs plus sized situation. It is kinda ridiculous that fat women call themselves curvy. I'm a big proponent of "call it what it is.." If your fat you aren't curvy, your rolly polly....circular....protruding...I mean c'mon, find better adj. to describe yourself. Scarlet johansson, Christina Hendrix...these women are curvy...fat people just need to call themselves what they are! Curvy denotes a body type that is hippy and maybe busty. If you have rolls, and so much skin that you can't feel you're hip bones, and you're boobs are only large because your fat has nowhere else to go....then your fat. The media, magazines, etc have no problem calling people too skinny, stick thin, whatever...but for some reason they call ridiculously fat women curvy...Just use the word. If your fat you're fat, if it bothers you to be in the fat category, then fix it. Simple as that. I can say that because I've been every size in the book. When I was fat I called myself fat...is what it is.

Whether you're fat or skinny your body can STILL be curvy. You don't have to in shape to have a described body type. You can be fat and have a pear shape or be curvy, or whichever other varieties they denote. If someone asks what my body shape is or if I'm looking at something regarding body shape, I'm going to look at the curvy section and not the "fat" one.

Someone can be FAT and be CURVY at the same time. Not all "fat" people have the same body shapes.

These two aren't mutually exclusive.

If you wanted to say that you're body type is "rolly polly" that's your prerogative, but just because that's what you called yourself doesn't mean you also didn't have a defined body type and that doesn't mean other women shouldn't be able to classify themselves as such just because you think they are more defined by the word "circular."

The biggest problem with the OP's post is that she doesn't clarify what the body type of the plus-size curvy model was. If they had just photographed any plus-size model (who for instance was pear shaped) and put her in the catalog in the curvy section, that's obviously problematic. But just because a girl is bigger doesn't mean she also isn't curvy.

BinaryPulsar

Most men are clueless about what all these shapes mean. They have many misconceptions about what the shapes mean. If you hold up a picture of a women and write cherry body type under her, the men will start saying, "I like the cherry body type". That's how meaningless this all is to men. It's not science. It's just silliness. No one gets a PhD in body type.

cheerbabe080790

inskydiamonds....for those of us that agree with the ranting girl...we obviously understand that everybody has a body type. This is an unnecessary statement. Everybody has a body type! However, we just think that the girl shouldn't be called "curvy" until she works off the layers of rolls and fat and reveals that truly "curvy" body type. The fact is that you really dont have a defined body type when your fat. Also, the magazines don't refer to curvy girls as curvy...they use the adjective to apply to "fat" girls. Im simply saying....lets be realistic. If they are curvy, its hiding under layers of fat. Call it what it is....Stop sugarcoating it. This is why America is obese, because women, and men too!, feel just a little bit better about being "curvy" rather then fat and then they don't fix themselves and the trend continues in their children.

sarahmonsta

At a size 18 I was curvy and I am still curvy at a size 10 ha. Anyways, you seem like a very insecure individual...

inskydiamonds

inskydiamonds....for those of us that agree with the ranting girl...we obviously understand that everybody has a body type. This is an unnecessary statement. Everybody has a body type! However, we just think that the girl shouldn't be called "curvy" until she works off the layers of rolls and fat and reveals that truly "curvy" body type. The fact is that you really dont have a defined body type when your fat. Also, the magazines don't refer to curvy girls as curvy...they use the adjective to apply to "fat" girls. Im simply saying....lets be realistic. If they are curvy, its hiding under layers of fat. Call it what it is....Stop sugarcoating it. This is why America is obese, because women, and men too!, feel just a little bit better about being "curvy" rather then fat and then they don't fix themselves and the trend continues in their children.

What you said is just false though. I am fat, I'm over weight by about 70 pounds and have a lot of fat on my body. My measurements however indicate a much smaller waist than hips. Before I gained weight I had the same proportions, they were just smaller over all. Just because you might have been "circular" or "protruding" or "rolly polly" or whatever when you were overweight doesn't mean every fat girl has the same body shape. People hold their fat very differently depending on their body type. I'm sure I look very different from someone who is the same height and same weight than me, just based on... BODY TYPES.

OP is somehow offended that they used a curvy girl in the magazine though she classifies herself as curvy and she doesn't think she's the same as the fat girl.
Cry me a river. A girl that's overweight can have the ratio that makes them curvy just as much as a skinny girl can.

sarahmonsta

inskydiamonds....for those of us that agree with the ranting girl...we obviously understand that everybody has a body type. This is an unnecessary statement. Everybody has a body type! However, we just think that the girl shouldn't be called "curvy" until she works off the layers of rolls and fat and reveals that truly "curvy" body type. The fact is that you really dont have a defined body type when your fat. Also, the magazines don't refer to curvy girls as curvy...they use the adjective to apply to "fat" girls. Im simply saying....lets be realistic. If they are curvy, its hiding under layers of fat. Call it what it is....Stop sugarcoating it. This is why America is obese, because women, and men too!, feel just a little bit better about being "curvy" rather then fat and then they don't fix themselves and the trend continues in their children.

What you said is just false though. I am fat, I'm over weight by about 70 pounds and have a lot of fat on my body. My measurements however indicate a much smaller waist than hips. Before I gained weight I had the same proportions, they were just smaller over all. Just because you might have been "circular" or "protruding" or "rolly polly" or whatever when you were overweight doesn't mean every fat girl has the same body shape. People hold their fat very differently depending on their body type. I'm sure I look very different from someone who is the same height and same weight than me, just based on... BODY TYPES.

I agree.

SwimFan1981

ToughTulip

Yes how DARE someone call themselves curvy???

But seriously why would you care? Let people call themselves what they want. Let them have some confidence. You are no better than anyone else.

dixiewhiskey

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: This made this whole thread tolerable. Thank you!!! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

bumping for future laughs

TigressPat

inskydiamonds....for those of us that agree with the ranting girl...we obviously understand that everybody has a body type. This is an unnecessary statement. Everybody has a body type! However, we just think that the girl shouldn't be called "curvy" until she works off the layers of rolls and fat and reveals that truly "curvy" body type. The fact is that you really dont have a defined body type when your fat. Also, the magazines don't refer to curvy girls as curvy...they use the adjective to apply to "fat" girls. Im simply saying....lets be realistic. If they are curvy, its hiding under layers of fat. Call it what it is....Stop sugarcoating it. This is why America is obese, because women, and men too!, feel just a little bit better about being "curvy" rather then fat and then they don't fix themselves and the trend continues in their children.

What you said is just false though. I am fat, I'm over weight by about 70 pounds and have a lot of fat on my body. My measurements however indicate a much smaller waist than hips. Before I gained weight I had the same proportions, they were just smaller over all. Just because you might have been "circular" or "protruding" or "rolly polly" or whatever when you were overweight doesn't mean every fat girl has the same body shape. People hold their fat very differently depending on their body type. I'm sure I look very different from someone who is the same height and same weight than me, just based on... BODY TYPES.

OP is somehow offended that they used a curvy girl in the magazine though she classifies herself as curvy and she doesn't think she's the same as the fat girl.
Cry me a river. A girl that's overweight can have the ratio that makes them curvy just as much as a skinny girl can.

I agree with most of this.
I am overweight. some would say fat. but my waist is a 16-17 inches smaller than my bust and 15 inches smaller than my hips.
Hourglass. No matter how you look at it. and no matter what my weight. when Im thin, Im an hourglass, when I'm fat, I'm an hourglass.

however, the one thing I'm going to disagree with was the reference to the OP... if you read the entire thread (cumbersome!) you will see that the plus sized model in question was not an hourglass, but a rounded in middle shape.
yes, plus size girls can be any shape, the same as "regular" girls and "skinny" girls, but this is defined by measurement and proportions. And as an hourglass myself, I too find it annoying if not offensive that the round plus sized model without a defined small waisted hourglass shape was called "curvy". those of us curvy hourglass shaped women were otherwise not represented at all.

cheerbabe080790

inskywithdiamonds...and sarahmosta.....if you two want to sugar coat it fine. Call them whatever you want. But just because they have hour glass proportions does not make them curvy. I'll rephrase though if it helps....if you have a BMI in the overweight and above category...I don't care what your proportions are...you aren't curvy ...you're fat...medically speaking. Your doctor isn't going to come in and say "heyy you've got a really curvy body lately"...No, he's going to come in and say your overweight/fat. Really it is as simple as that. If your waist is slightly smaller but your stomach protrudes and you have rolls you are not curvy. You can call it what you like, but we are going to have to agree to disagree. I think they're fat, and calling them curvy is only a device used by others to be "politically correct", or it is used by the individual to make themselves feel better...Also, just because I said pick a different adj doesn't mean I was applying it to myself. I really didn't care what I was when I was bigger...I only knew I was fat... I called it what it was. When I lost weight I had a body type again I'm quite happy...not insecure as @sarahmonsta so ignorantly stated. Just because I have an opinion that differs from yours does not make me insecure, or jealous, or anything for that matter...It just means we don't see eye to eye. I, like the ranting girl, am sick of the media and society calling obviously fat girls curvy. They refuse to use the fat word because they are afraid to offend, and fat girls the world over are afraid to use it themselves because they are upset, ashamed, fill in the blank...that they are fat. This is just how I feel. I'm not going to convince you otherwise, and you're not going to change my mind so....we simply have to agree to disagree.

inskydiamonds

however, the one thing I'm going to disagree with was the reference to the OP... if you read the entire thread (cumbersome!) you will see that the plus sized model in question was not an hourglass, but a rounded in middle shape.
yes, plus size girls can be any shape, the same as "regular" girls and "skinny" girls, but this is defined by measurement and proportions. And as an hourglass myself, I too find it annoying if not offensive that the round plus sized model without a defined small waisted hourglass shape was called "curvy". those of us curvy hourglass shaped women were otherwise not represented at all.

I read through most of the post and I didn't see that portion. That's definitely something she should have included in her original post because I have a feeling a lot of this thread could have been avoided had that been clarified up front :P

chellebublz

I've always been an hourglass shape. I'm losing inches a lil unevenly so I'm currently a pear shape but still consider myself curvy as do people who know me. I was curvy when I was skinny and I'm curvy as plus sized. A month ago I was size 24 and last week bought size 20's but I can also fit some of my old 18s. If my thighs were a lil smaller than I would be able to fit another size smaller. My pants are big in the waist because of my thighs lol.

I do agree, I've seen ppl refer to Kate Upton as curvy and she is most deft not plus sized.

Fragilebird24

I am currently considered "plus sized", as much as I hate to say it. When I was thin I had more of an athletic shape and I wasn't very curvy. But as I gained weight I naturally became curvier. However, I do have a best friend who is not plus sized at all but curvy. I understand and agree with what the OP is saying. There are a lot of plus sized women who have dynamite, sexy curves even though they are plus sized, yet that is not true for everyone. The same goes with thinner women. Curvy does not equal plus sized in all cases. I am very proportional, so when I gain weight I gain it all over. If they choose a curvy heavier woman to represent the "Curvy" section than so be it. It'd be the same if a tall heavier woman represented the "Tall" section. Don't let it offend you.

inskydiamonds

inskywithdiamonds...and sarahmosta.....if you two want to sugar coat it fine. Call them whatever you want. But just because they have hour glass proportions does not make them curvy. I'll rephrase though if it helps....if you have a BMI in the overweight and above category...I don't care what your proportions are...you aren't curvy ...you're fat...medically speaking. Your doctor isn't going to come in and say "heyy you've got a really curvy body lately"...No, he's going to come in and say your overweight/fat. Really it is as simple as that. If your waist is slightly smaller but your stomach protrudes and you have rolls you are not curvy. You can call it what you like, but we are going to have to agree to disagree. I think they're fat, and calling them curvy is only a device used by others to be "politically correct", or it is used by the individual to make themselves feel better...Also, just because I said pick a different adj doesn't mean I was applying it to myself. I really didn't care what I was when I was bigger...I only knew I was fat... I called it what it was. When I lost weight I had a body type again I'm quite happy...not insecure as @sarahmonsta so ignorantly stated. Just because I have an opinion that differs from yours does not make me insecure, or jealous, or anything for that matter...It just means we don't see eye to eye. I, like the ranting girl, am sick of the media and society calling obviously fat girls curvy. They refuse to use the fat word because they are afraid to offend, and fat girls the world over are afraid to use it themselves because they are upset, ashamed, fill in the blank...that they are fat. This is just how I feel. I'm not going to convince you otherwise, and you're not going to change my mind so....we simply have to agree to disagree.

I don't think your doctor is going to be commenting on your body shape beyond health and if he or she is, that's strange. I would be mighty confused if I went to my doctor and he was like, "Hey, you got a pear shape going on today." Body weight is medical and related to health. Your body shape isn't, so the two aren't comparable at all.

Whether someone has rolls on their stomach or not, they have defined proportions that often stay consistent despite weight gain. You can close your eyes to the fact that they still have a body shape if you want - but all fat people aren't shaped the same. I mean, hey, you said people should call themselves "circular" or "rolly polly" and I definitely don't have that body shape. Am I fat? Yeah. But like I'll say over and over, your body shape really makes a difference on how you hold your weight. And your proportional differences between your hips, waist, and chest aren't somehow invalidated just because you're overweight.

Natihilator

I am a curvy p,us sized hot piece of asssss! Currently under construction to make things even better. U can suck it!

:drinker: :flowerforyou:

Most men are clueless about what all these shapes mean. They have many misconceptions about what the shapes mean. If you hold up a picture of a women and write cherry body type under her, the men will start saying, "I like the cherry body type". That's how meaningless this all is to men. It's not science. It's just silliness. No one gets a PhD in body type.

:laugh: