Cardio doesn't burn fat!!!
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Rarely in my life have I seen such remarkable synergy between a username and a post.I don't understand what you're trying to get it? I never said it doesn't burn fat, i just said it's not as effective. My point again is that you can achieve top level body composition without the use of cardio.
Do you know any physique competitors?
I know a few myself (2 female fitness competitors and 1 bodybuilder) and when they are in training mode for a show the ones I know amp up the cardio, granted when they are off from a show the cardio is almost none existent (hitting the weight room more)... I recall watching some Jay Cutler video's awhile back (before he tore his bicep) and he was hitting the gym at 2 in the morning specifically for cardio sessions (the video's I watch was leading in to the Mr. O...) So are you saying these are just exceptions to the norm or am I missing something????
You don't consider Jay Cutler to be an exception from the norm....?
You missed the point they are all doing cardio
Their progress is not solely attributed to cardio.... yes it is a tool, but the majority of the shift in their body composition is through consistency of hitting their macros and resistance training, and a deficit.
You're still missing the point. They are all doing CARDIO. No one said anything about their progress being attributed to that. The point is (wait for it) THEY ARE ALL DOING CARDIO.0 -
lolbroscienceTheir progress is not solely attributed to cardio.... yes it is a tool, but the majority of the shift in their body composition is through consistency of hitting their macros and resistance training, and a deficit.0 -
Rarely in my life have I seen such remarkable synergy between a username and a post.I don't understand what you're trying to get it? I never said it doesn't burn fat, i just said it's not as effective. My point again is that you can achieve top level body composition without the use of cardio.
Do you know any physique competitors?
I know a few myself (2 female fitness competitors and 1 bodybuilder) and when they are in training mode for a show the ones I know amp up the cardio, granted when they are off from a show the cardio is almost none existent (hitting the weight room more)... I recall watching some Jay Cutler video's awhile back (before he tore his bicep) and he was hitting the gym at 2 in the morning specifically for cardio sessions (the video's I watch was leading in to the Mr. O...) So are you saying these are just exceptions to the norm or am I missing something????
You don't consider Jay Cutler to be an exception from the norm....?
You missed the point they are all doing cardio
Their progress is not solely attributed to cardio.... yes it is a tool, but the majority of the shift in their body composition is through consistency of hitting their macros and resistance training, and a deficit.
You're still missing the point. They are all doing CARDIO. No one said anything about their progress being attributed to that. The point is (wait for it) THEY ARE ALL DOING CARDIO.
And if they cut it out all of a sudden they would store bodyfat? please....0 -
I didn't read 14 pages of responses but somehow, without lifting or changing my diet I managed to lose 3% BF by running and cycling. Maybe I lift in my sleep but I'm not aware of it. Seems the BF came off with cardio.0
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Oh, I don't do gyms. My gym is outside and using my own body. I don't think I could handle the influx of differentiating opinions on how things "should" be done.
Boom goes the dynamite. Love it.0 -
Rarely in my life have I seen such remarkable synergy between a username and a post.I don't understand what you're trying to get it? I never said it doesn't burn fat, i just said it's not as effective. My point again is that you can achieve top level body composition without the use of cardio.
Do you know any physique competitors?
I know a few myself (2 female fitness competitors and 1 bodybuilder) and when they are in training mode for a show the ones I know amp up the cardio, granted when they are off from a show the cardio is almost none existent (hitting the weight room more)... I recall watching some Jay Cutler video's awhile back (before he tore his bicep) and he was hitting the gym at 2 in the morning specifically for cardio sessions (the video's I watch was leading in to the Mr. O...) So are you saying these are just exceptions to the norm or am I missing something????
You don't consider Jay Cutler to be an exception from the norm....?
You missed the point they are all doing cardio
Their progress is not solely attributed to cardio.... yes it is a tool, but the majority of the shift in their body composition is through consistency of hitting their macros and resistance training, and a deficit.
You're still missing the point. They are all doing CARDIO. No one said anything about their progress being attributed to that. The point is (wait for it) THEY ARE ALL DOING CARDIO.
And if they cut it out all of a sudden they would store bodyfat? please....
Where did I say that?
Oh, and remind me to tell my friend who does triathlons, finished an iron man, bikes, swims, runs that his extremely low body fat percentage and ripped body is fake. Yes he lifts but the majority of his exercise is cardio. Hours of cardio.0 -
Rarely in my life have I seen such remarkable synergy between a username and a post.I don't understand what you're trying to get it? I never said it doesn't burn fat, i just said it's not as effective. My point again is that you can achieve top level body composition without the use of cardio.
Do you know any physique competitors?
I know a few myself (2 female fitness competitors and 1 bodybuilder) and when they are in training mode for a show the ones I know amp up the cardio, granted when they are off from a show the cardio is almost none existent (hitting the weight room more)... I recall watching some Jay Cutler video's awhile back (before he tore his bicep) and he was hitting the gym at 2 in the morning specifically for cardio sessions (the video's I watch was leading in to the Mr. O...) So are you saying these are just exceptions to the norm or am I missing something????
You don't consider Jay Cutler to be an exception from the norm....?
You missed the point they are all doing cardio
Their progress is not solely attributed to cardio.... yes it is a tool, but the majority of the shift in their body composition is through consistency of hitting their macros and resistance training, and a deficit.
And you just clarified alot of the cardio crowds point, when earlier you said "My point again is that you can achieve top level body composition without the use of cardio." but then you just stated cardio is a tool in the process... I don't think anyone here will debate the fact that weight training along with cardio are both great tools to an overall health stand point and the benefits of both on body composition. I know in my case after losing 300 lbs. if I had not started resistance training in the very beginning I would have had to have more work done than the 17 lbs. of loose skin I had removed from my torso... The lifting help alot maintaining lean muscle mass but also the gains a made filled in areas (biceps, back, etc) I might have otherwise need intervention on... but make no mistake the cardio from the beginning was key as well in my overall weight loss (ie: fat loss)
I went from this:
to this:
but make no mistake about it, it was a combination of the 2 along with watching my caloric intake and watching my macro's that lead to my success.....0 -
Rarely in my life have I seen such remarkable synergy between a username and a post.I don't understand what you're trying to get it? I never said it doesn't burn fat, i just said it's not as effective. My point again is that you can achieve top level body composition without the use of cardio.
Do you know any physique competitors?
I know a few myself (2 female fitness competitors and 1 bodybuilder) and when they are in training mode for a show the ones I know amp up the cardio, granted when they are off from a show the cardio is almost none existent (hitting the weight room more)... I recall watching some Jay Cutler video's awhile back (before he tore his bicep) and he was hitting the gym at 2 in the morning specifically for cardio sessions (the video's I watch was leading in to the Mr. O...) So are you saying these are just exceptions to the norm or am I missing something????
You don't consider Jay Cutler to be an exception from the norm....?
You missed the point they are all doing cardio
Their progress is not solely attributed to cardio.... yes it is a tool, but the majority of the shift in their body composition is through consistency of hitting their macros and resistance training, and a deficit.
This is true. You can do cardio for health and fitness. You can lift for the same reason. Same with yoga, PX90, kayaking, rock climbing etc. Whether you burn fat or not depends on not eating more than you burn. As ninerbuff explained pages ago, no exercise burns exclusively fat. Exercise combined with a calorie deficit and good macros have the most impact on body composition.
Lifting is great for retaining lean body mass. Cardio is great for health, endurance and burning calories. There either/or arguments are fairly useless.0 -
While im a big supporter of weightlifting cardio does help the heart and eating more will get you mote nutrients. But definitely, strength training will help you reshape your bod burn more fat and stay stonger :-) excessive cardio is a waste of time unless indeed you just enjoy it! Many people are even undereating and excessive cardio just brings down the metabolism even more.0
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Rarely in my life have I seen such remarkable synergy between a username and a post.I don't understand what you're trying to get it? I never said it doesn't burn fat, i just said it's not as effective. My point again is that you can achieve top level body composition without the use of cardio.
Do you know any physique competitors?
I know a few myself (2 female fitness competitors and 1 bodybuilder) and when they are in training mode for a show the ones I know amp up the cardio, granted when they are off from a show the cardio is almost none existent (hitting the weight room more)... I recall watching some Jay Cutler video's awhile back (before he tore his bicep) and he was hitting the gym at 2 in the morning specifically for cardio sessions (the video's I watch was leading in to the Mr. O...) So are you saying these are just exceptions to the norm or am I missing something????
You don't consider Jay Cutler to be an exception from the norm....?
You missed the point they are all doing cardio
Their progress is not solely attributed to cardio.... yes it is a tool, but the majority of the shift in their body composition is through consistency of hitting their macros and resistance training, and a deficit.
You're still missing the point. They are all doing CARDIO. No one said anything about their progress being attributed to that. The point is (wait for it) THEY ARE ALL DOING CARDIO.
And if they cut it out all of a sudden they would store bodyfat? please....
Where did I say that?
Oh, and remind me to tell my friend who does triathlons, finished an iron man, bikes, swims, runs that his extremely low body fat percentage and ripped body is fake. Yes he lifts but the majority of his exercise is cardio. Hours of cardio.
Again, you seem to be the one missing the point... I'm not arguing that it can't burn fat. I am saying you can attain low levels without it. Honestly from there it becomes a matter of perception...compare the body of a sprinter to a long distance runner.0 -
You are hysterical! and good for you trading in the drugs for cardio.... burn or no burn!:flowerforyou: :bigsmile:Then what does it burn? :indifferent:
Our will to live.0 -
Rarely in my life have I seen such remarkable synergy between a username and a post.I don't understand what you're trying to get it? I never said it doesn't burn fat, i just said it's not as effective. My point again is that you can achieve top level body composition without the use of cardio.
Do you know any physique competitors?
I know a few myself (2 female fitness competitors and 1 bodybuilder) and when they are in training mode for a show the ones I know amp up the cardio, granted when they are off from a show the cardio is almost none existent (hitting the weight room more)... I recall watching some Jay Cutler video's awhile back (before he tore his bicep) and he was hitting the gym at 2 in the morning specifically for cardio sessions (the video's I watch was leading in to the Mr. O...) So are you saying these are just exceptions to the norm or am I missing something????
You don't consider Jay Cutler to be an exception from the norm....?
You missed the point they are all doing cardio
Their progress is not solely attributed to cardio.... yes it is a tool, but the majority of the shift in their body composition is through consistency of hitting their macros and resistance training, and a deficit.
You're still missing the point. They are all doing CARDIO. No one said anything about their progress being attributed to that. The point is (wait for it) THEY ARE ALL DOING CARDIO.
And if they cut it out all of a sudden they would store bodyfat? please....
Where did I say that?
Oh, and remind me to tell my friend who does triathlons, finished an iron man, bikes, swims, runs that his extremely low body fat percentage and ripped body is fake. Yes he lifts but the majority of his exercise is cardio. Hours of cardio.
Again, you seem to be the one missing the point... I'm not arguing that it can't burn fat. I am saying you can attain low levels without it. Honestly from there it becomes a matter of perception...compare the body of a sprinter to a long distance runner.
Actually your title says cardio doesn't burn fat so yeah. You did say that.0 -
Actually your title says cardio doesn't burn fat so yeah. You did say that.
I'm not the OP....0 -
actually there should be a mixture of cardio and weight training, i'm over 200lbs if weight training were my only form of exercise i'd look like a beefed up man. no thanks :indifferent:
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Actually your title says cardio doesn't burn fat so yeah. You did say that.
I'm not the OP....
Oops. You're right.0 -
I disagree. bc HIIT burns fat not just calories. I was referring to "long slow cardio" (relook at my post). I said it doesn't burn fat, it burns calories. I stand behind that. Long High Impact can burn muscle if you are not at target heart rate. That is one reason to do high impact for only a brief period and alternate it with low impact. You slow down and speed up there too which makes you work harder. Sorry, you you are wrong.
A way that cardio DOES NOT burn fat is through long slow cardio. This has many benefits, but fat-burning is not one of them.
Sorry but this is incorrect. Once you have depleted your glycogen stores your body has to replenish them from somewhere. Yes HIIT will burn calories quicker but that only make it more time efficient.
It doesn't alter the fact that if you have burned calories and don't replace them from your food your body will use its energy stores.
Low impact cardio burns a higher proportion of fat than high impact - but it takes longer to burn the same calories.0 -
I lol'ed. Thanks hun
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Here it is again.This thread isn't about the knocking the cardiovascular benefits of it... it's saying that it isn't nearly as effective from a fat loss perspective, which is true. People get really jumpy around here real fast....
Look to all the top fitness, physique, bodybuilding competitors... it wasn't built by cardio, it was built through resistance training.
CARDIO DOES BURN FAT. And cardio DOESN'T burn fat. It depends on how it is done.
Three ways it burns fat. . .
1. Interval cardio with HIIT: (ie walk, jog, run, repeat) for 20 - 30 minutes
2. Fasted cardio such as first thing in the morning after an overnight fast and before breakfast: When done on an empty stomach your body uses fat stores as energy (some say this is controversial).
4. After a weight lifting session which mostly burns carbs and calories, you then do cardio to burn fat.
A way that cardio DOES NOT burn fat is through long slow cardio. This has many benefits, but fat-burning is not one of them.
All cardio releases endorphins and seratonin (feel good hormones). Makes you sleep better the natural way and is better than an anti-depressant pill (for most people who are not suffering from chronic or severe depression as I can't comment on that. It is case by case no doubt).0 -
actually there should be a mixture of cardio and weight training, i'm over 200lbs if weight training were my only form of exercise i'd look like a beefed up man. no thanks :indifferent:
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It was entirely incorrect the first time. Posting it again doesn't make it any less so. You completely misunderstand substrate utilization and energy pathways/usage.
Here it is again.This thread isn't about the knocking the cardiovascular benefits of it... it's saying that it isn't nearly as effective from a fat loss perspective, which is true. People get really jumpy around here real fast....
Look to all the top fitness, physique, bodybuilding competitors... it wasn't built by cardio, it was built through resistance training.
CARDIO DOES BURN FAT. And cardio DOESN'T burn fat. It depends on how it is done.
Three ways it burns fat. . .
1. Interval cardio with HIIT: (ie walk, jog, run, repeat) for 20 - 30 minutes
2. Fasted cardio such as first thing in the morning after an overnight fast and before breakfast: When done on an empty stomach your body uses fat stores as energy (some say this is controversial).
4. After a weight lifting session which mostly burns carbs and calories, you then do cardio to burn fat.
A way that cardio DOES NOT burn fat is through long slow cardio. This has many benefits, but fat-burning is not one of them.
All cardio releases endorphins and seratonin (feel good hormones). Makes you sleep better the natural way and is better than an anti-depressant pill (for most people who are not suffering from chronic or severe depression as I can't comment on that. It is case by case no doubt).0 -
Not this again!!
Let those who want to sweat it out on the treadmill do their thing and same for those who want to lift weights!! If everyone stopped telling each other that they are wrong, the world would be a happier place....or at least MFP!0 -
Here it is again.This thread isn't about the knocking the cardiovascular benefits of it... it's saying that it isn't nearly as effective from a fat loss perspective, which is true. People get really jumpy around here real fast....
Look to all the top fitness, physique, bodybuilding competitors... it wasn't built by cardio, it was built through resistance training.
CARDIO DOES BURN FAT. And cardio DOESN'T burn fat. It depends on how it is done.
Three ways it burns fat. . .
1. Interval cardio with HIIT: (ie walk, jog, run, repeat) for 20 - 30 minutes
2. Fasted cardio such as first thing in the morning after an overnight fast and before breakfast: When done on an empty stomach your body uses fat stores as energy (some say this is controversial).
4. After a weight lifting session which mostly burns carbs and calories, you then do cardio to burn fat.
A way that cardio DOES NOT burn fat is through long slow cardio. This has many benefits, but fat-burning is not one of them.
All cardio releases endorphins and seratonin (feel good hormones). Makes you sleep better the natural way and is better than an anti-depressant pill (for most people who are not suffering from chronic or severe depression as I can't comment on that. It is case by case no doubt).
That source is very confused. Long slow cardio uses fat as it's primary fuel. It is probably the best "fat" burning type if exercise for this reason. The problem is you have to do it for a long time to get much effect. The others primariy burn calories from stored muscle glycogen. The understanding of energy systems used during exercise in that list is pretty poor.
It's kind of a useless argument though. Exercise burns calories. Period. That's all you need to know. JUST WORK OUT!0 -
I'm a triathlete, and no, not a svelte sexy one at the moment. Most of us use a concept called periodization training where we will segment the year into different phases.
In the winter/offseason we will do long slow tediously boring cardio for hours upon a time in a phase called 'base training'. This burns gobs of fat since you are staying in zones 1 and 2 of your target heart rate zone and it prepares the muscle for the harder phases by strengthening the connective tissue and increasing vascularization, great, awesome necessary benefits.
As the calendar nears the races, you go into tempo training and finally race intensity training. At this point we're doing intervals and beating the living crap out of our legs. Tell me I'm not doing resistance training flying down the road at 24mph into a 10mph head wind and I'll laugh at you. At this point, we're eating almost like a body builder and your legs feel like they're getting several hour sessions at the gym.
Point of the rant, just because the cardio is long and slow, or fast and hard doesn't mean it's pointless and you won't lose weight, build muscle, and feel a heck of a lot better in the end. I can attest to you that it does all of that in strides.0 -
I lost 40 lbs in six months by eating less and doing cardio 3 times a week or more. I dropped at least 4 pant sizes and completely loss the fat on my stomach. I never lifted weights and never did a single sit-up. I was thin and toned. I you are overweight, cardio is the best way to lose weight. If you are already thin, weight lifting can sculpt you body. I don't need any study to tell me this. I know from experience. Also, at the gym I always see thin people running on the treadmills, and really fat people on the weight machines.0
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It was entirely incorrect the first time. Posting it again doesn't make it any less so. You completely misunderstand substrate utilization and energy pathways/usage.
Here it is again.This thread isn't about the knocking the cardiovascular benefits of it... it's saying that it isn't nearly as effective from a fat loss perspective, which is true. People get really jumpy around here real fast....
Look to all the top fitness, physique, bodybuilding competitors... it wasn't built by cardio, it was built through resistance training.
CARDIO DOES BURN FAT. And cardio DOESN'T burn fat. It depends on how it is done.
Three ways it burns fat. . .
1. Interval cardio with HIIT: (ie walk, jog, run, repeat) for 20 - 30 minutes
2. Fasted cardio such as first thing in the morning after an overnight fast and before breakfast: When done on an empty stomach your body uses fat stores as energy (some say this is controversial).
4. After a weight lifting session which mostly burns carbs and calories, you then do cardio to burn fat.
A way that cardio DOES NOT burn fat is through long slow cardio. This has many benefits, but fat-burning is not one of them.
All cardio releases endorphins and seratonin (feel good hormones). Makes you sleep better the natural way and is better than an anti-depressant pill (for most people who are not suffering from chronic or severe depression as I can't comment on that. It is case by case no doubt).
You beat me to it!0 -
I disagree. bc HIIT burns fat not just calories. I was referring to "long slow cardio" (relook at my post). I said it doesn't burn fat, it burns calories. I stand behind that. Long High Impact can burn muscle if you are not at target heart rate. That is one reason to do high impact for only a brief period and alternate it with low impact. You slow down and speed up there too which makes you work harder. Sorry, you you are wrong.
A way that cardio DOES NOT burn fat is through long slow cardio. This has many benefits, but fat-burning is not one of them.
Sorry but this is incorrect. Once you have depleted your glycogen stores your body has to replenish them from somewhere. Yes HIIT will burn calories quicker but that only make it more time efficient.
It doesn't alter the fact that if you have burned calories and don't replace them from your food your body will use its energy stores.
Low impact cardio burns a higher proportion of fat than high impact - but it takes longer to burn the same calories.
Pardon? Don't understand what you mean my "doesn't burn fat, it burns calories" - calories are a unit of measurement.
HIIT will burn some fat but a much smaller proportion of fat compared to low intensity. The downside to low intensity is that it takes time to reach a high calorie burn (if that's your aim).
Quick Google search shows someone doing 30 mins at 60% max heartrate burns 63% fat, at 80% max heartrate this drops to 33%.0 -
If people stopped acting all smug and superior because their way of eating/working out is better than others, I wouldn't recognize the place!Not this again!!
Let those who want to sweat it out on the treadmill do their thing and same for those who want to lift weights!! If everyone stopped telling each other that they are wrong, the world would be a happier place....or at least MFP!0 -
I am not sure how to prove this to you. I can get a TON of examples to you. But I don't know if I should spend the time on Google to prove it or not. . .these are from my memory and can be Googled by you if you care.
I disagree. bc HIIT burns fat not just calories. I was referring to "long slow cardio" (relook at my post). I said it doesn't burn fat, it burns calories. I stand behind that. Long High Impact can burn muscle if you are not at target heart rate. That is one reason to do high impact for only a brief period and alternate it with low impact. You slow down and speed up there too which makes you work harder. Sorry, you you are wrong.
A way that cardio DOES NOT burn fat is through long slow cardio. This has many benefits, but fat-burning is not one of them.
Sorry but this is incorrect. Once you have depleted your glycogen stores your body has to replenish them from somewhere. Yes HIIT will burn calories quicker but that only make it more time efficient.
It doesn't alter the fact that if you have burned calories and don't replace them from your food your body will use its energy stores.
Low impact cardio burns a higher proportion of fat than high impact - but it takes longer to burn the same calories.
Pardon? Don't understand what you mean my "doesn't burn fat, it burns calories" - calories are a unit of measurement.
HIIT will burn some fat but a much smaller proportion of fat compared to low intensity. The downside to low intensity is that it takes time to reach a high calorie burn (if that's your aim).
Quick Google search shows someone doing 30 mins at 60% max heartrate burns 63% fat, at 80% max heartrate this drops to 33%.
Bill Phillips of Body for Life and Transformation says to HIIT and doesn't recommend long slow cardio.
Labrada, also recommends it. He says do long slow cardio no more than once a week.
Buff Mother says to do HIIT, lift and do long slow cardio no more than once a week.
The subject of the thread is this, "cardio does not burn fat". IT does burn fat, but long slow cardio will do nothing more than to burn calories. You have to be at a certain heart rate for a certain amount of time to burn fat. Long slow cardio is not going to do that. It is going to only allow you to eat more calories. Look a the personal trainer's posts on here from earlier, they said what I already said.0 -
The only benefit is basically allowing you to eat more food. That's it. I doubt they're doing it for the cardiovascular benefits either.
Uh... I like eating more food. That's a benefit worth working for in my book.
And I DO care about the cardiovascular benefits.
I also really care about endurance, because of my plans to hike a big chunk of the Appalachian Trail this summer. Cardio is necessary to condition myself to achieve this goal. If I did nothing but heavy lifting, I'd be toast on the trail.
I don't care if cardio burns fat, as I am not trying to burn more fat. I'm happy with my body composition.
Different people have different goals. Why not live and let live? :flowerforyou:
Thanks, though!
No one has ever hiked the AT and gained weight it changes your body as well as your mind. I wish you well. I have hit the trail for day hikes never for a through hike. Hiking may not be a true cardio but you will burn calories and build core strength. It is my exercise of choice and I always feel wonderful after a good hike. The other exercise I do is just to make do until I can get back on the trail.0 -
Well, if Labrada and Buff Mother say so, who are we to ignore the great scientists of our age?I am not sure how to prove this to you. I can get a TON of examples to you. But I don't know if I should spend the time on Google to prove it or not. . .these are from my memory and can be Googled by you if you care.
Bill Phillips of Body for Life and Transformation says to HIIT and doesn't recommend long slow cardio.
Labrada, also recommends it. He says do long slow cardio no more than once a week.
Buff Mother says to do HIIT, lift and do long slow cardio no more than once a week.
The subject of the thread is this, "cardio does not burn fat". IT does burn fat, but long slow cardio will do nothing more than to burn calories. You have to be at a certain heart rate for a certain amount of time to burn fat. Long slow cardio is not going to do that. It is going to only allow you to eat more calories. Look a the personal trainer's posts on here from earlier, they said what I already said.0
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