Where's the evidence re: aspartame, msg, carbs, gmo etc?

Acg67
Acg67 Posts: 12,142 Member
in Food and Nutrition
The purpose of this thread is simple, if you think aspartame, msg, carbs, gmo foods, animal protein etc etc are bad for you, simply post a few links to the human studies that show it is bad for you. This is not for conspiracies on why there is no evidence something is harmful, simply present some of the current literature that shows that it is.

With all the people here who climb out the woodwork to tell people how bad something is, surely there is evidence that those people are basing their conclusions on.

Note: This is not saying that if there is no evidence something is bad for you, that it is good for you. Just at the present time, there is no evidence to warrant the fear mongering over such substances.
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  • Sublog
    Sublog Posts: 1,296 Member
    In
  • odusgolp
    odusgolp Posts: 10,477 Member
    Wanna see a picture of me with hives when I eat MSG? It's sexy. Honest.

    *lick lick*
  • micheleb15
    micheleb15 Posts: 1,418 Member
    If my grandma were a member, she'd be attaching newspaper clippings about cancer. I still get them in the mail...thank God she doesn't have email. I absolutely agree with you though.
  • UsedToBeHusky
    UsedToBeHusky Posts: 15,228 Member
    :drinker: :heart:

    *pulls up a chair*
  • krystonite
    krystonite Posts: 553 Member
    :drinker: :heart:

    *pulls up a chair*

    Bring one for me.
  • 84jeepster
    84jeepster Posts: 198 Member
    Wanna see a picture of me with hives when I eat MSG? It's sexy. Honest.

    *lick lick*

    An allergy to a certain food item, does not mean that it is harmful to the average person, just you. I know lots of people that are allergic to peanuts and/or milk, but neither one of those things deserves to be labeled as bad. It is bad for them, but not as a standard.

    *editted for spelling
  • melsmith612
    melsmith612 Posts: 727 Member
    From what I have read about it, the most dangerous things about GMO foods is #1) no one is required to study their long term effects prior to releasing them into the food supply and #2) the potential for cross pollination between GMO fields and non-GMO fields is fairly high - making even the effort to label GMO foods as such, nearly useless.
  • Proyecto_AN
    Proyecto_AN Posts: 387
    BUMP
  • CallMeCupcakeDammit
    CallMeCupcakeDammit Posts: 9,377 Member
    In, because I like to learn stuff.
  • odusgolp
    odusgolp Posts: 10,477 Member
    Wanna see a picture of me with hives when I eat MSG? It's sexy. Honest.

    *lick lick*

    An allergy to a certain food item, does not mean that it is harmful to the average person, just you. I know lots of people that are allergic to peanuts and/or milk, but neither one of those things deserves to be labeled as bad. It is bad for them, but not as a standard.

    *editted for spelling

    I was just offering up sexy pics, yo.
  • Prettylittlelotus
    Prettylittlelotus Posts: 239 Member
    It's funny how quiet it gets when people ask for facts instead of opinion :laugh:

    Increasing brain tumor rates: is there a link to aspartame?

    http://europepmc.org/abstract/MED/8939194/reload=0;jsessionid=NdUepxNYjxYdskJaLoaH.6

    "The recent finding that the aspartame molecule has mutagenic potential, and the close temporal association (aspartame was introduced into US food and beverage markets several years prior to the sharp increase in brain tumor incidence and malignancy). We conclude that there is need for reassessing the carcinogenic potential of aspartame."
  • 84jeepster
    84jeepster Posts: 198 Member

    I was just offering up sexy pics, yo.

    Well in that case, can you post a pic of you eating a pickle? LOL oh..wait.
  • SideSteel
    SideSteel Posts: 11,068 Member
    In.
  • diodelcibo
    diodelcibo Posts: 2,564 Member
    To my knowledge...

    Aspartame is fine, unless you have problems digesting phenylalanine (PKU if you know what that is.)
    MSG is fine unless excessive amounts are used
    Carbohydrates are fine unless they cannot be regulated.
    GMO, Not sure where you're going with this.
  • odusgolp
    odusgolp Posts: 10,477 Member

    I was just offering up sexy pics, yo.

    Well in that case, can you post a pic of you eating a pickle? LOL oh..wait.

    You should see what happens when I eat avocado :tongue:
  • rekite2000
    rekite2000 Posts: 218 Member
    Does Jessie Ventura's website count as evidence? j/k

    It actually would be nice to see some peer reviewed studies on those topics. I honestly want to know if there is evidence.
  • UsedToBeHusky
    UsedToBeHusky Posts: 15,228 Member
    It's funny how quiet it gets when people ask for facts instead of opinion :laugh:

    Increasing brain tumor rates: is there a link to aspartame?

    http://europepmc.org/abstract/MED/8939194/reload=0;jsessionid=NdUepxNYjxYdskJaLoaH.6

    "The recent finding that the aspartame molecule has mutagenic potential, and the close temporal association (aspartame was introduced into US food and beverage markets several years prior to the sharp increase in brain tumor incidence and malignancy). We conclude that there is need for reassessing the carcinogenic potential of aspartame."

    This study only suggests that an increase in brain tumors has occurred since the introduction of aspartame. It does not exclude other potential factors, and recommends more formal studies be performed to examine the possibility that aspartame could be the cause for the rise in brain tumors. Only reading the abstract, I'm not sure if they identified specific types of brain tumors or just brain tumors in general. This study is not definitive.
  • Timshel_
    Timshel_ Posts: 22,834 Member
    ... simply post a few links to the human studies...

    The majority of studies that the science community has completed have been animal based. It is those findings that is behind the scientific community calling for the FDA to fully/futher evaluate the health effects of those chemicals and such. Also, the time frame in which this concern has come to the fore front is relatively short - probably back to just around 2005. The very few human studies have been done are of a short time frame, have small sampling sizes, and have been somewhat non-conclusive.

    The studies I have seen relating things like soft drinks and such to cardiovascualr disease and what not, I still think that is just related to over indulgence of sugars and carbs. I dunno about that.

    Mmmmm....Pepsi.
  • SideSteel
    SideSteel Posts: 11,068 Member
    The studies I have seen relating things like soft drinks and such to cardiovascualr disease and what not, I still think that is just related to over indulgence of sugars and carbs. I dunno about that.

    Mmmmm....Pepsi.

    I would take it a step further and say that it's related to the overindulgence of calories which leads to obesity which causes all kinds of issues.
  • SideSteel
    SideSteel Posts: 11,068 Member
    It's funny how quiet it gets when people ask for facts instead of opinion :laugh:

    Increasing brain tumor rates: is there a link to aspartame?

    http://europepmc.org/abstract/MED/8939194/reload=0;jsessionid=NdUepxNYjxYdskJaLoaH.6

    "The recent finding that the aspartame molecule has mutagenic potential, and the close temporal association (aspartame was introduced into US food and beverage markets several years prior to the sharp increase in brain tumor incidence and malignancy). We conclude that there is need for reassessing the carcinogenic potential of aspartame."

    This study only suggests that an increase in brain tumors has occurred since the introduction of aspartame. It does not exclude other potential factors, and recommends more formal studies be performed to examine the possibility that aspartame could be the cause for the rise in brain tumors. Only reading the abstract, I'm not sure if they identified specific types of brain tumors or just brain tumors in general. This study is not definitive.

    Additionally, the particular rat study that they are using re: brain tumor incidence showed issues beginning at a dosage equivalent to around 20mg/kg. For a 220lb male, this is 2000mg which is equivalent to 11 cans of diet soda per day.

    Granted, this does fall well under the current ADI.
  • Acg67
    Acg67 Posts: 12,142 Member
    The studies I have seen relating things like soft drinks and such to cardiovascualr disease and what not, I still think that is just related to over indulgence of sugars and carbs. I dunno about that.

    Mmmmm....Pepsi.

    I would take it a step further and say that it's related to the overindulgence of calories which leads to obesity which causes all kinds of issues.

    Wrong, obesity causes overeating. Please read Good Calories, Bad Calories by Gary Taubes to get enlightened
  • UsedToBeHusky
    UsedToBeHusky Posts: 15,228 Member
    The studies I have seen relating things like soft drinks and such to cardiovascualr disease and what not, I still think that is just related to over indulgence of sugars and carbs. I dunno about that.

    Mmmmm....Pepsi.

    I would take it a step further and say that it's related to the overindulgence of calories which leads to obesity which causes all kinds of issues.

    BINGO!
  • UsedToBeHusky
    UsedToBeHusky Posts: 15,228 Member
    The studies I have seen relating things like soft drinks and such to cardiovascualr disease and what not, I still think that is just related to over indulgence of sugars and carbs. I dunno about that.

    Mmmmm....Pepsi.

    I would take it a step further and say that it's related to the overindulgence of calories which leads to obesity which causes all kinds of issues.

    Wrong, obesity causes overeating. Please read Good Calories, Bad Calories by Gary Taubes to get enlightened

    You need a sarcasm font. You're going to confuse people.
  • SideSteel
    SideSteel Posts: 11,068 Member
    The studies I have seen relating things like soft drinks and such to cardiovascualr disease and what not, I still think that is just related to over indulgence of sugars and carbs. I dunno about that.

    Mmmmm....Pepsi.

    I would take it a step further and say that it's related to the overindulgence of calories which leads to obesity which causes all kinds of issues.

    Wrong, obesity causes overeating. Please read Good Calories, Bad Calories by Gary Taubes to get enlightened

    I'll get right on that as soon as I'm done drafting this e-mail that I'm sending to Dr. Lustig to thank him for saving my life by enlightening me on the evils of fructose.
  • Hadabetter
    Hadabetter Posts: 942 Member
    The studies I have seen relating things like soft drinks and such to cardiovascualr disease and what not, I still think that is just related to over indulgence of sugars and carbs. I dunno about that.

    Mmmmm....Pepsi.

    I would take it a step further and say that it's related to the overindulgence of calories which leads to obesity which causes all kinds of issues.

    Wrong, obesity causes overeating. Please read Good Calories, Bad Calories by Gary Taubes to get enlightened
    This is a joke, right?
  • DandieBandie
    DandieBandie Posts: 9
    I don't know about an article...but I have always heard that aspertane makes you hungry...I didn't believe this until I gave it up over two months ago...the difference is night and day. 34 lbs down in two months and 11 days simply because I dont crave like I use to...Im just not hungry anymore...there is my two cents. But keep in mind it's only two pennies...
  • UsedToBeHusky
    UsedToBeHusky Posts: 15,228 Member
    The studies I have seen relating things like soft drinks and such to cardiovascualr disease and what not, I still think that is just related to over indulgence of sugars and carbs. I dunno about that.

    Mmmmm....Pepsi.

    I would take it a step further and say that it's related to the overindulgence of calories which leads to obesity which causes all kinds of issues.

    Wrong, obesity causes overeating. Please read Good Calories, Bad Calories by Gary Taubes to get enlightened
    This is a joke, right?

    Yes.
  • Timshel_
    Timshel_ Posts: 22,834 Member
    This is a joke, right?

    Nope. Some studies are working to show that the kinds of calories taken in, as well as when calories are taken in, can effect our dietary habits - i.e., eating certain types of foods and a certain can really increase our appetite.

    I dunno about that personally. Many times the research done to support these kinds of studeis and funded by related ogranzations. Not to say there isn't some shred of truth in it, but I always leary of someone sellling an idea as fact.
  • rjmudlax13
    rjmudlax13 Posts: 900 Member
    Just to stir the pot.

    http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/early/2013/01/30/ajcn.112.050997

    Yes, I got it via a huff post article.

    And go!
  • Acg67
    Acg67 Posts: 12,142 Member
    Just to stir the pot.

    http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/early/2013/01/30/ajcn.112.050997

    Yes, I got it via a huff post article.

    And go!
    Both SSB consumption and ASB consumption were associated with increased T2D risk. We cannot rule out that factors other than ASB consumption that we did not control for are responsible for the association with diabetes

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