Where's the evidence re: aspartame, msg, carbs, gmo etc?
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It's like carbonated vinegar made from a fungus. It tastes great as long as you completely mask the taste with other things.
Thanks... I'll take my chances with the aspartame. LOL!
LOL. It is NOT carbonated vinegar. Blech.
And it's not a fungus. It's tea fermented with a wonderful science fiction thing called a scoby, which is bacteria and yeast, I think. It's naturally carbonated, which is why I like it since it gives me that soda fizz. To me, it tastes sort of like a fruity Belgian beer. It's pretty low calorie and good for your gut. It is an acquired taste, and you have to try a bunch of flavors to find the ones you like. I'm a fan of GT's Multi-green. Looks awful, lots of green floaty things in it. Tastes great.
It has a small amount of alcohol from the fermentation. It used to give me a little buzz, but then they pulled all kombucha off the market for a couple of months because they realized that the longer it sat on the shelf, the more it fermented, the higher the alcohol content. They did some back room hippie magic at the Kombucha PROCESSING PLANT and now it's back on the shelves and no more buzz.
Yeast = fungus.
I like some flavors of kombucha but the straight-up made from tea one with nothing added is pretty awful to me. It's like a non-fruity lambic.
Probably true. I don't think I've ever had straight-up kombucha without fruit.0 -
Just tagging cause this is hilarious. And I might learn something. But mostly it's just hilarious.
Hi honey! May I offer you a diet coke and some organic cherry tomatoes while you're here?
what else?
Hrmmm... fresh out of booze. Still at work. But I also have some Raw Almonds & Frigo Cheesehead Swirls!0 -
I must say that these threads help me figure out who I'd like to friend request.0
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msg
Not to single out MSG alone, rather too much sodium in general, this was in the news today. (I know MSG is lower in sodium than sodium chloride (table salt) )
Too much salt may trigger autoimmune diseases: studies
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/07/us-salt-disease-idUSBRE9251BQ20130307Increased salt consumption may be a key culprit behind rising rates of autoimmune diseases such as multiple sclerosis, researchers reported on Wednesday in a trio of papers looking at the role of a specific class of cells linked with inflammation.
Reporting in the journal Nature, the researchers said high-salt diets increased levels of a type of immune cell linked with autoimmune disease. And mice genetically engineered to develop multiple sclerosis (MS) got much worse when they ate what amounted to a high-salt Western diet compared with mice who had more moderate salt intake.
The findings suggest that salt may play a previously unknown role in triggering autoimmune diseases such as MS or type 1 diabetes in individuals who are already genetically predisposed.
One of the studies related to it.
http://www.jimmunol.org/cgi/content/short/188/1_MeetingAbstracts/60.13?rss=1
... too much of anything can be a bad thing
Thus, increased salt intake, which may represents one of the biggest contributors to changes in diet during the last half century and accounts for cardiovascular disease, might also represent an environmental risk factor for autoimmune diseases through the exacerbated induction of pathogenic Th17 cells.0 -
I'm surprised nobody has commented on this human study that I posted. Did you read it?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22681873
Can you attach the full study and not just the abstract? Thanks!0 -
The purpose of this thread is simple, if you think aspartame, msg, carbs, gmo foods, animal protein etc etc are bad for you, simply post a few links to the human studies that show it is bad for you. This is not for conspiracies on why there is no evidence something is harmful, simply present some of the current literature that shows that it is.
With all the people here who climb out the woodwork to tell people how bad something is, surely there is evidence that those people are basing their conclusions on.
Note: This is not saying that if there is no evidence something is bad for you, that it is good for you. Just at the present time, there is no evidence to warrant the fear mongering over such substances.
I'm surprised nobody has commented on this human study that I posted. Did you read it?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22681873
Monosodium glutamate (MSG) intake is associated with the prevalence of metabolic syndrome in a rural Thai population.
Insawang T, Selmi C, Cha'on U, Pethlert S, Yongvanit P, Areejitranusorn P, Boonsiri P, Khampitak T, Tangrassameeprasert R, Pinitsoontorn C, Prasongwattana V, Gershwin ME, Hammock BD.
Source
Department of Biochemistry, Faculty of Medicine, Khon Kaen University, Khon Kaen, 40002, Thailand. ubocha@kku.ac.th.
Abstract
BACKGROUND:
Epidemiology and animal models suggest that dietary monosodium glutamate (MSG) may contribute to the onset of obesity and the metabolic syndrome.
METHODS:
Families (n = 324) from a rural area of Thailand were selected and provided MSG as the sole source for the use in meal preparation for 10 days. Three hundred forty-nine subjects aged 35-55 years completed the study and were evaluated for energy and nutrient intake, physical activity, and tobacco smoking. The prevalence of overweight and obesity (BMI ≥ 25 kg/m2), insulin resistance (HOMA-IR >3), and the metabolic syndrome (ATP III criteria) were evaluated according to the daily MSG intake.
RESULTS:
The prevalence of the metabolic syndrome was significantly higher in the tertile with the highest MSG intake. Further, every 1 g increase in MSG intake significantly increased the risk of having the metabolic syndrome (odds ratio 1.14, 95% confidence interval-CI- 1.12 - 1.28) or being overweight (odds ratio 1.16, 95% CI 1.04 - 1.29), independent of the total energy intake and the level of physical activity.
CONCLUSION:
Higher amounts of individual MSG consumption are associated with the risk of having the metabolic syndrome and being overweight independent of other major determinants.
Here once again is the conclusion to this human study on MSG. Has anyone read this?
CONCLUSION:
Higher amounts of individual MSG consumption are associated with the risk of having the metabolic syndrome and being overweight independent of other major determinants.0 -
This is a deviation from the original topic, but think about why the FDA even lets crap out on the market that Big Pharma puts outs.
Listening to the FDA which sits in the pocket of Big Pharma is like leaving a wolf to look after the sheep. Traditional modern medicine is never into anything that will be good for you because they want to heal you with the crap that is dished out by Big Pharma.
This is my opinion and is based on a lot of reading I have done ever since I lost a friend to cancer when we were 12 y.o. Big Pharma doesn't want anyone to find a cure to cancer, the cancer industry is worth billions of dollars to them. Any any product they want on the market even if it is dangerous long term they will find a way for the FDA to give it their stamp of approval.
Added: http://www.relfe.com/aspartame_92.html0 -
I'm surprised nobody has commented on this human study that I posted. Did you read it?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22681873
Can you attach the full study and not just the abstract? Thanks!
Here you go
http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/9/1/500 -
This is a deviation from the original topic, but think about why the FDA even lets crap out on the market that Big Pharma puts outs.
Listening to the FDA which sits in the pocket of Big Pharma is like leaving a wolf to look after the sheep. Traditional modern medicine is never into anything that will be good for you because they want to heal you with the crap that is dished out by Big Pharma.
This is my opinion and is based on a lot of reading I have done ever since I lost a friend to cancer when we were 12 y.o. Big Pharma doesn't want anyone to find a cure to cancer, the cancer industry is worth billions of dollars to them. Any any product they want on the market even if it is dangerous long term they will find a way for the FDA to give it their stamp of approval.
$$$$$$$$
that's why.0 -
I'm surprised nobody has commented on this human study that I posted. Did you read it?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22681873
Can you attach the full study and not just the abstract? Thanks!
Here you go
http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/9/1/50
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Oh Im in for this one!0
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It's like carbonated vinegar made from a fungus. It tastes great as long as you completely mask the taste with other things.
Thanks... I'll take my chances with the aspartame. LOL!
LOL. It is NOT carbonated vinegar. Blech.
And it's not a fungus. It's tea fermented with a wonderful science fiction thing called a scoby, which is bacteria and yeast, I think. It's naturally carbonated, which is why I like it since it gives me that soda fizz. To me, it tastes sort of like a fruity Belgian beer. It's pretty low calorie and good for your gut. It is an acquired taste, and you have to try a bunch of flavors to find the ones you like. I'm a fan of GT's Multi-green. Looks awful, lots of green floaty things in it. Tastes great.
It has a small amount of alcohol from the fermentation. It used to give me a little buzz, but then they pulled all kombucha off the market for a couple of months because they realized that the longer it sat on the shelf, the more it fermented, the higher the alcohol content. They did some back room hippie magic at the Kombucha PROCESSING PLANT and now it's back on the shelves and no more buzz.
would try but alcohol bad for my liver....0 -
I have a friend that is irreparably, neurologically jammed up from consuming aspartame products for years. So when I see someone I care about following that path, I feel compelled to talk about it. When it comes up on forums like this, I feel compelled to talk about it.
What condition did they acquire and how was this proven to be caused by aspartame?
She had neurological symptoms that kept getting worse and worse to the point where she couldn't coordinate her brain with her hands, limbs, mouth, etc. At her worst she couldn't feed herself, dress herself or walk without assistance. She also had trouble speaking. Her husband brought her to a stream of doctors and no one could figure out what was happening. Her husband was freaking out because her neurological function kept deteriorating at a pretty rapid pace.
She had been drinking diet soda and other diet drinks for years. She bought everything "sugar free". A well meaning coworker brought it to the husband's attention that it could be the aspartame. He went right home and emptied out the pantry. As soon as she stopped taking aspartame, her symptoms stopped getting worse. And after a few months she did show improvements but she is still jammed up.
So someone you know experienced symptoms that doctors couldn't identify, and apparently still can't, you assumed it was the aspartame and then several MONTHS after eliminating the aspartame, she has begun to improve. Obviously, it couldn't be anything else, especially since she is now completely aspartame-free... still having symptoms... but that damn aspartame just had to be the culprit!
I honestly don't think you are qualified to make that coorelation... particularly when you are only talking about one subject out of the entire population.
As I said, after she stopped with the aspartame her symptoms immediately stopped getting worse. As I said, her symptoms had been getting worse each day at an alarming rate. Then when she stopped the aspartame the symptoms stopped getting any worse. And after a few months off of it she did start to make some improvements (as her nervous system began the task of trying to repair itself I would assume). ANd yes this is an anecdotal story. Did I say I am an expert? I began by saying that this happened to a friend and when I see others that I care about consuming a lot of sugar free stuff I feel compelled to share this story and information I have read regarding this stuff. Relax.0 -
Chronic inflammation is a key feature of insulin resistance and obesity(TLR4 is important to modulating insulin resistance))[1]
The saturated fatty acid (SFA) palmitate induces insulin resistance in cultured skeletal muscle cells, which may be related to NF-kappaB activation. Collectively, these results demonstrate that SFA-induced NF-kappaB activation coincides with insulin resistance and depends on FA chain length.
So now we have NF-kB linked to insulin resistance. Chronic high levels of glucose can lead to insulin resistance. NF-kB is also linked to simple carbs. [3]
A 3 months study comparing a paleo diet to a diabetics diet concluded the paleo diet improved glycemic control. [4]
A diet that has lower GI foods lowered lower inflammation to a greater degree compared to an isocaloric diet with a higher carbohydrate and lower protein content although the weight loss was the same.[5]
Funny how last year you guys where bashing paleo because there was no "evidence," here it is now. I got many more paleo studies if you want them.
1.http://www.hindawi.com/journals/grp/2010/212563
2. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18957619
3. http://diabetes.webmd.com/news/20071126/refined-carbohydrates-up-diabetes-risk
4. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19604407
5.http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17189547
You don't have to eat hardcore paleo to up your protein intake and moderately reduce carbohydrates, with an eye to glycemic loads.0 -
There is lots of evidence to support that aspartame is deadly. Some countries have actually banned it. Just google it.
Coca cola are lying on their website when they say it is safe. They send workers in protective clothing to mop up spillages of it
in their factories. I wouldn't touch it with a bargepole, the evidence has been about for years, just look it up. Don't know about the rest.0 -
How about OP go ahead and consume that stuff and when you get ill and/or die we will do a study on your body and have our evidence.0
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The point is that if you are like me and love soda. You shouldn't eliminate from your diet just because someone somewhere said that 2% of 68,000 women got a brain cancer AND there is a POSSIBILITY that diet soda caused it.
That's like saying I should avoid driving because 300 people died on my state's highway system this year.
I understand what you are trying to say with this, but that is really not a great comparison. Many people need to drive for work and other life related norms. You certainly don't NEED soda. Of course, the arguement could be made we don't really NEED to drive either, but then we digress to minimalist theory and we should all get the hell off the Internet and start chipping away our notes on stone tablets.
Anyway...
The OP knows there aren't conclusive HUMAN studies, which was the point of the post. Even though there are plenty of animal tests, and a good post about reasons there are few comprehesive human tests, it's all really moot.
Conspiracy theory could say that people are against the chemicals because of media hype without facts. And the counter arguement could be made in the same vein that pharma companies and PAC's keep the FDA from really doing anything about it.
it's a choice to err with whichever side you might want to believe. As the OP wisely stated, just because a study doesn't exist to prove something is bad, doesn't mean it is good. But taking inconclusive studies as absolute fact is not correct either.0 -
I've read countless stuff on why many of these artificial chemicals and etc. are horrible for you. Plenty of studies out there that link them to cancer and just about every one chronic disease. I'm not going to spend my time looking them all up, it's so obvious. You can believe what you want despite study, and then counter study, but why the hell even risk it if there's even a possibility this stuff gives you cancer and whatever else? Just eat real food as much as possible...0
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It's like carbonated vinegar made from a fungus. It tastes great as long as you completely mask the taste with other things.
Thanks... I'll take my chances with the aspartame. LOL!
LOL. It is NOT carbonated vinegar. Blech.
And it's not a fungus. It's tea fermented with a wonderful science fiction thing called a scoby, which is bacteria and yeast, I think. It's naturally carbonated, which is why I like it since it gives me that soda fizz. To me, it tastes sort of like a fruity Belgian beer. It's pretty low calorie and good for your gut. It is an acquired taste, and you have to try a bunch of flavors to find the ones you like. I'm a fan of GT's Multi-green. Looks awful, lots of green floaty things in it. Tastes great.
It has a small amount of alcohol from the fermentation. It used to give me a little buzz, but then they pulled all kombucha off the market for a couple of months because they realized that the longer it sat on the shelf, the more it fermented, the higher the alcohol content. They did some back room hippie magic at the Kombucha PROCESSING PLANT and now it's back on the shelves and no more buzz.
would try but alcohol bad for my liver....
Aw, come on. Live a little.
Unless you're recovering. Then don't.0 -
Pretty sure there is nothing wrong with the majority of artificial sweeteners, aside the fact that they don't taste very good for the most part. I prefer sucralose to aspartame, but I don't eat too much of it because of the erm, laxative effect. Stevia tastes alright for the most part, too. (that one is natural)
Some people need to be careful of sugar intake, and they are quite helpful for that purpose. If you don't like it, don't eat it... no problem.
The whole "natural" thing is a big pet peeve of mine... just think, cyanide is natural too! Smells like almonds (think marzipan) for a reason...0 -
Chronic inflammation is a key feature of insulin resistance and obesity(TLR4 is important to modulating insulin resistance))[1]
The saturated fatty acid (SFA) palmitate induces insulin resistance in cultured skeletal muscle cells, which may be related to NF-kappaB activation. Collectively, these results demonstrate that SFA-induced NF-kappaB activation coincides with insulin resistance and depends on FA chain length.
So now we have NF-kB linked to insulin resistance. Chronic high levels of glucose can lead to insulin resistance. NF-kB is also linked to simple carbs. [3]
A 3 months study comparing a paleo diet to a diabetics diet concluded the paleo diet improved glycemic control. [4]
A diet that has lower GI foods lowered lower inflammation to a greater degree compared to an isocaloric diet with a higher carbohydrate and lower protein content although the weight loss was the same.[5]
Funny how last year you guys where bashing paleo because there was no "evidence," here it is now. I got many more paleo studies if you want them.
1.http://www.hindawi.com/journals/grp/2010/212563
2. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18957619
3. http://diabetes.webmd.com/news/20071126/refined-carbohydrates-up-diabetes-risk
4. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19604407
5.http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17189547
You don't have to eat hardcore paleo to up your protein intake and moderately reduce carbohydrates, with an eye to glycemic loads.
I am not promoting the paleo diet. My point is how HIGH GI foods can lead to cellular inflammation.
If you eat too much of it, maybe. In small to moderate quantities in context to a balanced diet, I don't think they're that much of an issue. I've been using myself as a guinea pig here because a great deal of replacement starches for celiacs are higher GI. It's why people gain weight when they go GF and eat them, just like I did. I've lost weight through moderating them, but not completely eliminating them. 0 -
Pretty sure there is nothing wrong with the majority of artificial sweeteners, aside the fact that they don't taste very good for the most part. I prefer sucralose to aspartame, but I don't eat too much of it because of the erm, laxative effect. Stevia tastes alright for the most part, too. (that one is natural)
Some people need to be careful of sugar intake, and they are quite helpful for that purpose. If you don't like it, don't eat it... no problem.
The whole "natural" thing is a big pet peeve of mine... just think, cyanide is natural too! Smells like almonds (think marzipan) for a reason...
lolz?0 -
Pretty sure there is nothing wrong with the majority of artificial sweeteners, aside the fact that they don't taste very good for the most part. I prefer sucralose to aspartame, but I don't eat too much of it because of the erm, laxative effect. Stevia tastes alright for the most part, too. (that one is natural)
Some people need to be careful of sugar intake, and they are quite helpful for that purpose. If you don't like it, don't eat it... no problem.
The whole "natural" thing is a big pet peeve of mine... just think, cyanide is natural too! Smells like almonds (think marzipan) for a reason...
lolz?
I'm going to put you on ignore :wave: 0 -
Chronic inflammation is a key feature of insulin resistance and obesity(TLR4 is important to modulating insulin resistance))[1]
The saturated fatty acid (SFA) palmitate induces insulin resistance in cultured skeletal muscle cells, which may be related to NF-kappaB activation. Collectively, these results demonstrate that SFA-induced NF-kappaB activation coincides with insulin resistance and depends on FA chain length.
So now we have NF-kB linked to insulin resistance. Chronic high levels of glucose can lead to insulin resistance. NF-kB is also linked to simple carbs. [3]
A 3 months study comparing a paleo diet to a diabetics diet concluded the paleo diet improved glycemic control. [4]
A diet that has lower GI foods lowered lower inflammation to a greater degree compared to an isocaloric diet with a higher carbohydrate and lower protein content although the weight loss was the same.[5]
Funny how last year you guys where bashing paleo because there was no "evidence," here it is now. I got many more paleo studies if you want them.
1.http://www.hindawi.com/journals/grp/2010/212563
2. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18957619
3. http://diabetes.webmd.com/news/20071126/refined-carbohydrates-up-diabetes-risk
4. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19604407
5.http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17189547
You don't have to eat hardcore paleo to up your protein intake and moderately reduce carbohydrates, with an eye to glycemic loads.
I am not promoting the paleo diet. My point is how HIGH GI foods can lead to cellular inflammation.
If you eat too much of it, maybe. In small to moderate quantities in context to a balanced diet, I don't think they're that much of an issue. I've been using myself as a guinea pig here because a great deal of replacement starches for celiacs are higher GI. It's why people gain weight when they go GF and eat them, just like I did. I've lost weight through moderating them, but not completely eliminating them.
I'd agree but some of these guys preach eating ice cram everyday.
I eat ice cream nearly everyday... :P
...but I weigh it on a food scale. It's a light variety. Fits right into my macros and hasn't hindered me one bit. Gives me the little bit of sweet so I don't crave sugar.0 -
Wanna see a picture of me with hives when I eat MSG? It's sexy. Honest.
*lick lick*
An allergy to a certain food item, does not mean that it is harmful to the average person, just you. I know lots of people that are allergic to peanuts and/or milk, but neither one of those things deserves to be labeled as bad. It is bad for them, but not as a standard.
*editted for spelling
allergic to raw apples here. and i'd certainly never try and tell other people they are dangerous 0 -
Anecdotal obviously. Based on documentaries that were pretty one sided as well as commentaries from people who have left the industry in disgust. So once again one sided.
Many of these things are designed to do one thing. Get you to consume more of it then a competing product.
But to my personal situation.
For my diet I only have two limitations: Nothing with MSG or High fructose corn syrup. That is it.
Since I started I have found that I almost never get hunger pangs, even when I only have 500 on the day by the evening. Where as before I would get hungry within hours of having a huge meal. I would still feel full but want to eat more.
It took a few weeks(in which everything tasted awful) before regular foods started tasting okay, eventually even tasting good.
Now the other foods still taste good, and I have them when it is a social situation but it starting to get to the point where(it is probably psychosomatic) where I have some of these foods and it just makes me feel sick. Had a soda the other day and was woozy.
I guess even if you dont believe they are bad the more important question is what purpose do they serve and how is the purpose they serve to your betterment?
If aspartame means you are not drinking regular soda, and everything else stays constant. Go for it as that is an improvement.
However(as far as I can tell) the sole purpose of MSG is to make you consume more, and convince your body that what you are eating is more nutrient dense than it is.(causing your body to release insulin, hey look no glucose to digest. WAHAY now you are hungry again). Also the fact that it can cross the blood brain barrier(more likely in children) scares the **** out of me.0 -
Its really hard to find human studies of anything. Things are mostly being tested in rats and no lifetime studies have been done. Someone tried to attempt a lifetime study with rats and GMO's but one study doesn't make the information definitive.
People tend to forget that in science something is a fact until someone proves it wrong. There are plenty of diets for instance that have been studied and we were told hey this is best. 10 years later we're told, my bad we were wrong. At some point people were told not to eat more than an egg a day because of "studies".
People believe what they choose to believe whether or not its enough evidence for you shouldn't matter unless you're going to give them evidence to dispute their claims. Its not that controversial. Is what you're doing working for you? Thats all that matters. You're not going to stop the rest of the world from believing an article that says something is bad for you. You're not going to stop them from passing it on to other people. When people give me information it is my job to determine if I believe that information. I won't tell people hey stop saying this if you didn't search the world for proof thats good enough for me. Let people think for themselves and if they believe everything they hear then let them deal with the consequences if any.
Have you ever been recommended to buy any product food or not and looked for human studies to prove whether or not its really good for you?
They sell us **** every day thats not good for us and tell us that it is and vice versa! Some people believe it and some don't. I don't see the point of this thread. Do you want people to admit that there aren't many human studies? Do you want people to stop believing those things are bad? Is this your way of encouraging people to do research? Do you want everyone to give evidence with opinions? Whatever you aim, good luck.0 -
Chronic inflammation is a key feature of insulin resistance and obesity(TLR4 is important to modulating insulin resistance))[1]
The saturated fatty acid (SFA) palmitate induces insulin resistance in cultured skeletal muscle cells, which may be related to NF-kappaB activation. Collectively, these results demonstrate that SFA-induced NF-kappaB activation coincides with insulin resistance and depends on FA chain length.
So now we have NF-kB linked to insulin resistance. Chronic high levels of glucose can lead to insulin resistance. NF-kB is also linked to simple carbs. [3]
A 3 months study comparing a paleo diet to a diabetics diet concluded the paleo diet improved glycemic control. [4]
A diet that has lower GI foods lowered lower inflammation to a greater degree compared to an isocaloric diet with a higher carbohydrate and lower protein content although the weight loss was the same.[5]
Funny how last year you guys where bashing paleo because there was no "evidence," here it is now. I got many more paleo studies if you want them.
1.http://www.hindawi.com/journals/grp/2010/212563
2. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18957619
3. http://diabetes.webmd.com/news/20071126/refined-carbohydrates-up-diabetes-risk
4. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19604407
5.http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17189547
You don't have to eat hardcore paleo to up your protein intake and moderately reduce carbohydrates, with an eye to glycemic loads.
I am not promoting the paleo diet. My point is how HIGH GI foods can lead to cellular inflammation.
If you eat too much of it, maybe. In small to moderate quantities in context to a balanced diet, I don't think they're that much of an issue. I've been using myself as a guinea pig here because a great deal of replacement starches for celiacs are higher GI. It's why people gain weight when they go GF and eat them, just like I did. I've lost weight through moderating them, but not completely eliminating them.
I'd agree but some of these guys preach eating ice cram everyday.
I eat ice cream nearly everyday... :P
...but I weigh it on a food scale. It's a light variety. Fits right into my macros and hasn't hindered me one bit. Gives me the little bit of sweet so I don't crave sugar.
time will tell.
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i like thisIts really hard to find human studies of anything. Things are mostly being tested in rats and no lifetime studies have been done. Someone tried to attempt a lifetime study with rats and GMO's but one study doesn't make the information definitive.
People tend to forget that in science something is a fact until someone proves it wrong. There are plenty of diets for instance that have been studied and we were told hey this is best. 10 years later we're told, my bad we were wrong. At some point people were told not to eat more than an egg a day because of "studies".
People believe what they choose to believe whether or not its enough evidence for you shouldn't matter unless you're going to give them evidence to dispute their claims. Its not that controversial. Is what you're doing working for you? Thats all that matters. You're not going to stop the rest of the world from believing an article that says something is bad for you. You're not going to stop them from passing it on to other people. When people give me information it is my job to determine if I believe that information. I won't tell people hey stop saying this if you didn't search the world for proof thats good enough for me. Let people think for themselves and if they believe everything they hear then let them deal with the consequences if any.
Have you ever been recommended to buy any product food or not and looked for human studies to prove whether or not its really good for you?
They sell us **** every day thats not good for us and tell us that it is and vice versa! Some people believe it and some don't. I don't see the point of this thread. Do you want people to admit that there aren't many human studies? Do you want people to stop believing those things are bad? Is this your way of encouraging people to do research? Do you want everyone to give evidence with opinions? Whatever you aim, good luck.0
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