Is diet pop REALLY that bad fro you????

smittieaj

For those saying homeopathy is just a placebo effect . . . tell it to these mice. Next you'll be telling me that mice as susceptible to the placebo effect also.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22818235

You seem tenacious. Why don't you crack open a book about skepticism, and have an informative evening?

I don't have to be skeptical about homeopathy when I've seen it work over and over first hand.

When you read about skepticism, you'll learn about how this is anecdotal evidence, and is unreliable for numerous reasons. Seriously, what harm could learning a new subject do to you?

Again, I don't have to be skeptical about that study because I've seen homeopathy work countless times first hand. If you did you'd know what I mean. Would you be skeptical about the effectiveness of antibiotics if you didn't like the way a study was conducted?

In the absence of all the evidence that modern science has provided us.... YES!

I guess you haven't experienced first hand positive effects from them over and over to know first hand the results so you have to rely on a study to tell you what's up.

People could tell me about their first hand experience with voodoo, the holy spirit, bloody mary, demons, or bigfoot.... should I believe them?

You know that's not what I am saying. So stop trying to make me seem like a naive, gullible idiot. What I'm saying is that I believe homeopathy works because my family and I have been using it instead of allopathic medication for over 30 years and it has worked in various situations. So, I am not skeptical of that study even though it doesn't meet your standards. If you knew something worked from a lifetime of experiences, then you wouldn't be skeptical of a study just because you didn't like who conducted it, etc.

I don't doubt that you, and your beliefs are sincere. I understand that you are not a fool. I only reject the notion of forming opinions based on tales of others experiences. Pick up that book that was recommended earlier in the thread. I think that you'll find that we have more in common than you know.

which book is that? I'm afraid it's lost in the shuffle.

And although I wouldn't expect you to formulate opinions solely based on other's experiences, I would hope that you would factor that in. That's why you and others on here are so infuriating at times. You dismiss everything unless it's mainstream, even if people have real experiences to share. YOu never say, "hey, that's cool and interesting!" WOw! Hummm! You just mock and say everything is bull crap and ask for studies and then any study produced is never good enough. The only reason I've been sticking with these threads once I get involved in one is because I don't like the idea of the loudest mouths shooting other ideas down so that only the big mouth get's his opinions heard. It's like you believe you're right and no other ideas are allowed to be discussed in a meaningful, civil manner. Because guess what, maybe you don't have all the answers and you're keeping valuable information from reaching someone by mocking, throwing in cats or whatever just to confuse the matter at hand. And is that right? I don't think so.

All great ideas have to face armies of people trying to disprove them. The armies have been created by bad ideas that have hurt people. I am one of those people. I used to believe in lots of silly things. These days, I'm more careful. In the end, all of us mean people on the forums are just looking out for you, and all of the people reading the posts. We don't want someone to get hurt, or to refuse a useful medical treatment and drink magic water instead. We care about people, and the truth of the claims that you are making. That's all. No hard feelings. I promise.

ninerbuff

I drink diet soda....................for over 25 years.....................my genetics trump pseudoscience.


That or the correlation of diet soda and health issues really are just correlations.

Time for a can of Diet Pepsi now.

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Correlations? of course that's all they are. I never said aspartame definitively caused anything. (you can check). but as long as there's a correlation, that means there is a POSSIBLE (regardless of how small you believe it to be) risk.

So as long as there's a RISK they could be harmful - no matter how large or small - it makes zero logical sense to drink them.

but again, to each his or her own, which is what my initial post in this thread stated.

Reddy, there's a higher risk of driving and getting in a car accident then fatal overdose of aspartame poisoning. If risk is is risk (think HARMFUL here if that's your stance) then crossing the street on a heavily trafficked area, lifting weights without a spotter, taking a dance class with worn out shoes, etc. should also be on your list because it makes no sense to be put at harms risk. If that is YOUR STANCE on harmful risk.

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but those are things i must do every day to live my life, and offer me appreciable benefits. you don't have to drink diet soda, and it offers no benefits.

"Appreciable benefits" would be subjective no? What I appreciate and what you would appreciate would be different. I appreciate that I can drink a diet soda with no calories to help satisfy the "sweet" craving. Could I do it with sugar? Sure, but apparently that's poison too.:laugh: So I might as well take the option with no calories.:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

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ninerbuff

Question: if homepathy is so great, then why do we need drugs? Homeopathy is WAY cheaper than medical visits (I believe) so why would ANYONE want to pay more than they have to? Please enlighten me.

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DawnEH612

Yes

meeper123

Better to moderate than binge

judydelo1

For those saying homeopathy is just a placebo effect . . . tell it to these mice. Next you'll be telling me that mice as susceptible to the placebo effect also.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22818235

You seem tenacious. Why don't you crack open a book about skepticism, and have an informative evening?

I don't have to be skeptical about homeopathy when I've seen it work over and over first hand.

When you read about skepticism, you'll learn about how this is anecdotal evidence, and is unreliable for numerous reasons. Seriously, what harm could learning a new subject do to you?

Again, I don't have to be skeptical about that study because I've seen homeopathy work countless times first hand. If you did you'd know what I mean. Would you be skeptical about the effectiveness of antibiotics if you didn't like the way a study was conducted?

In the absence of all the evidence that modern science has provided us.... YES!

I guess you haven't experienced first hand positive effects from them over and over to know first hand the results so you have to rely on a study to tell you what's up.

People could tell me about their first hand experience with voodoo, the holy spirit, bloody mary, demons, or bigfoot.... should I believe them?

You know that's not what I am saying. So stop trying to make me seem like a naive, gullible idiot. What I'm saying is that I believe homeopathy works because my family and I have been using it instead of allopathic medication for over 30 years and it has worked in various situations. So, I am not skeptical of that study even though it doesn't meet your standards. If you knew something worked from a lifetime of experiences, then you wouldn't be skeptical of a study just because you didn't like who conducted it, etc.

I don't doubt that you, and your beliefs are sincere. I understand that you are not a fool. I only reject the notion of forming opinions based on tales of others experiences. Pick up that book that was recommended earlier in the thread. I think that you'll find that we have more in common than you know.

which book is that? I'm afraid it's lost in the shuffle.

And although I wouldn't expect you to formulate opinions solely based on other's experiences, I would hope that you would factor that in. That's why you and others on here are so infuriating at times. You dismiss everything unless it's mainstream, even if people have real experiences to share. YOu never say, "hey, that's cool and interesting!" WOw! Hummm! You just mock and say everything is bull crap and ask for studies and then any study produced is never good enough. The only reason I've been sticking with these threads once I get involved in one is because I don't like the idea of the loudest mouths shooting other ideas down so that only the big mouth get's his opinions heard. It's like you believe you're right and no other ideas are allowed to be discussed in a meaningful, civil manner. Because guess what, maybe you don't have all the answers and you're keeping valuable information from reaching someone by mocking, throwing in cats or whatever just to confuse the matter at hand. And is that right? I don't think so.

All great ideas have to face armies of people trying to disprove them. The armies have been created by bad ideas that have hurt people. I am one of those people. I used to believe in lots of silly things. These days, I'm more careful. In the end, all of us mean people on the forums are just looking out for you, and all of the people reading the posts. We don't want someone to get hurt, or to refuse a useful medical treatment and drink magic water instead. We care about people, and the truth of the claims that you are making. That's all. No hard feelings. I promise.

So YOUR negative experience with something makes your right about all alternative ideas? You and others keep shooting down anecdotal evidence but yet your anecdotal evidence rules and gives you the right to be pompous, demeaning, derailing, obnoxious? YOUR anecdotal evidence gives you the right to determine everyone else that doesn't think the way you do is wrong?

chessgeekdavidb

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accelerates corrosion and rusting of many metals.
may cause electrical failures and decreased effectiveness of automobile brakes.
has been found in excised tumors of terminal cancer patients.
Dihydrogen Monoxide Alerts

Contamination is reaching epidemic proportions!
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Dihydrogen Monoxide Uses

Despite the danger, dihydrogen monoxide is often used:
as an industrial solvent and coolant.
in nuclear power plants.
in the production of styrofoam.
as a fire retardant.
in many forms of cruel animal research.
in the distribution of pesticides. Even after washing, produce remains contaminated by this chemical.
as an additive in certain junk-foods and other food products.
Stop the horror - Ban Dihydrogen Monoxide

Companies dump waste DHMO into rivers and the ocean, and nothing can be done to stop them because this practice is still legal. The impact on wildlife is extreme, and we cannot afford to ignore it any longer!
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The American government has refused to ban the production, distribution, or use of this damaging chemical due to its importance to the economic health of this nation. In fact, the navy and other military organizations are conducting experiments with DHMO, and designing multi-billion dollar devices to control and utilize it during warfare situations. Hundreds of military research facilities receive tons of it through a highly sophisticated underground distribution network. Many store large quantities for later use.

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sophcath123

There is not one shred of evidence or proven clinical trial or publication that shows a correlation between aspartame and cancer. There is alot of talk about weight gain and diabtetes with diet sodas but the link seems to be that people who drink diet sodas think they can then make up for the calories by eating or drinking something else.
If drinking a diet coke will keep you from drinking the extra calories associated with regular soda then go ahead in my book. Just everything in moderation. It is still a highly processed food with chemical additives that we should all avoid anyhow.

I like my diet pepsi after dinner straight from the cold can. It satisfies my sweet tooth and fills me up. But only a mini can and only one a day. You don't need to be drinking 32oz. of it.

judydelo1

Question: if homepathy is so great, then why do we need drugs? Homeopathy is WAY cheaper than medical visits (I believe) so why would ANYONE want to pay more than they have to? Please enlighten me.

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That's what I'm wondering.

smittieaj

BAN DIHYDROGEN MONOXIDE - THE INVISIBLE KILLER!

Dihydrogen monoxide is colorless, odorless, tasteless, and kills uncounted thousands of people every year.
What are the dangers of Dihydrogen Monoxide?

Most of these deaths are caused by accidental inhalation of DHMO, but the dangers of dihydrogen monoxide do not end there. Prolonged exposure to its solid form causes severe tissue damage. Symptoms of DHMO ingestion can include excessive sweating and urination, and possibly a bloated feeling, nausea, vomiting and body electrolyte imbalance. For those who have become dependent, DHMO withdrawal means certain death.
Dihydrogen Monoxide Facts

Dihydrogen monoxide:
is also known as hydric acid, and is the major component of acid rain.
contributes to the Greenhouse Effect.
may cause severe burns.
contributes to the erosion of our natural landscape.
accelerates corrosion and rusting of many metals.
may cause electrical failures and decreased effectiveness of automobile brakes.
has been found in excised tumors of terminal cancer patients.
Dihydrogen Monoxide Alerts

Contamination is reaching epidemic proportions!
Quantities of dihydrogen monoxide have been found in almost every stream, lake, and reservoir in America today. But the pollution is global, and the contaminant has even been found in Antarctic ice. In the midwest alone DHMO has caused millions of dollars of property damage.

Dihydrogen Monoxide Uses

Despite the danger, dihydrogen monoxide is often used:
as an industrial solvent and coolant.
in nuclear power plants.
in the production of styrofoam.
as a fire retardant.
in many forms of cruel animal research.
in the distribution of pesticides. Even after washing, produce remains contaminated by this chemical.
as an additive in certain junk-foods and other food products.
Stop the horror - Ban Dihydrogen Monoxide

Companies dump waste DHMO into rivers and the ocean, and nothing can be done to stop them because this practice is still legal. The impact on wildlife is extreme, and we cannot afford to ignore it any longer!
THE HORROR MUST BE STOPPED!

The American government has refused to ban the production, distribution, or use of this damaging chemical due to its importance to the economic health of this nation. In fact, the navy and other military organizations are conducting experiments with DHMO, and designing multi-billion dollar devices to control and utilize it during warfare situations. Hundreds of military research facilities receive tons of it through a highly sophisticated underground distribution network. Many store large quantities for later use.

IT'S NOT TOO LATE!

Act NOW to prevent further contamination. Find out more about this dangerous chemical. What you don't know CAN hurt you and others throughout the world.

I'm so glad that you brought this up. Did you know that diet soda is FULL of this stuff!

pudadough

I drink a six pack of the small Diet Dr.Pepper bottles every week. I also drink tons of the WalMart brand Crystal Light mixes in my water each week. They have aspartame, too. I don't have migraines and I don't get any hungrier after I drink them. I'm still waiting for the problems everyone is so sure of...

matt2442

YOU HAVE A FRO?

pudadough

BAN DIHYDROGEN MONOXIDE - THE INVISIBLE KILLER!

Cheeky monkey...

:laugh:

chessgeekdavidb

I'm so glad that you brought this up. Did you know that diet soda is FULL of this stuff!

I know, terrible stuff

chessgeekdavidb

BAN DIHYDROGEN MONOXIDE - THE INVISIBLE KILLER!

Cheeky monkey...

:laugh:

I thought I would start with that than going right to cat pictures.

NaBroski

You know that's not what I am saying. So stop trying to make me seem like a naive, gullible idiot. What I'm saying is that I believe homeopathy works because my family and I have been using it instead of allopathic medication for over 30 years and it has worked in various situations. So, I am not skeptical of that study even though it doesn't meet your standards. If you knew something worked from a lifetime of experiences, then you wouldn't be skeptical of a study just because you didn't like who conducted it, etc.

Yes I would. If something was purported to work with no reasonable mechanism for action, then I would be very skeptical of it efficacy, and would naturally assume that the answer lied elsewhere.

But see I understand the mechanism for action even if you don't

Please enlighten me.


What, exactly, is the mechanism for action?

smittieaj

For those saying homeopathy is just a placebo effect . . . tell it to these mice. Next you'll be telling me that mice as susceptible to the placebo effect also.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22818235

You seem tenacious. Why don't you crack open a book about skepticism, and have an informative evening?

I don't have to be skeptical about homeopathy when I've seen it work over and over first hand.

When you read about skepticism, you'll learn about how this is anecdotal evidence, and is unreliable for numerous reasons. Seriously, what harm could learning a new subject do to you?

Again, I don't have to be skeptical about that study because I've seen homeopathy work countless times first hand. If you did you'd know what I mean. Would you be skeptical about the effectiveness of antibiotics if you didn't like the way a study was conducted?

In the absence of all the evidence that modern science has provided us.... YES!

I guess you haven't experienced first hand positive effects from them over and over to know first hand the results so you have to rely on a study to tell you what's up.

People could tell me about their first hand experience with voodoo, the holy spirit, bloody mary, demons, or bigfoot.... should I believe them?

You know that's not what I am saying. So stop trying to make me seem like a naive, gullible idiot. What I'm saying is that I believe homeopathy works because my family and I have been using it instead of allopathic medication for over 30 years and it has worked in various situations. So, I am not skeptical of that study even though it doesn't meet your standards. If you knew something worked from a lifetime of experiences, then you wouldn't be skeptical of a study just because you didn't like who conducted it, etc.

I don't doubt that you, and your beliefs are sincere. I understand that you are not a fool. I only reject the notion of forming opinions based on tales of others experiences. Pick up that book that was recommended earlier in the thread. I think that you'll find that we have more in common than you know.

which book is that? I'm afraid it's lost in the shuffle.

And although I wouldn't expect you to formulate opinions solely based on other's experiences, I would hope that you would factor that in. That's why you and others on here are so infuriating at times. You dismiss everything unless it's mainstream, even if people have real experiences to share. YOu never say, "hey, that's cool and interesting!" WOw! Hummm! You just mock and say everything is bull crap and ask for studies and then any study produced is never good enough. The only reason I've been sticking with these threads once I get involved in one is because I don't like the idea of the loudest mouths shooting other ideas down so that only the big mouth get's his opinions heard. It's like you believe you're right and no other ideas are allowed to be discussed in a meaningful, civil manner. Because guess what, maybe you don't have all the answers and you're keeping valuable information from reaching someone by mocking, throwing in cats or whatever just to confuse the matter at hand. And is that right? I don't think so.

All great ideas have to face armies of people trying to disprove them. The armies have been created by bad ideas that have hurt people. I am one of those people. I used to believe in lots of silly things. These days, I'm more careful. In the end, all of us mean people on the forums are just looking out for you, and all of the people reading the posts. We don't want someone to get hurt, or to refuse a useful medical treatment and drink magic water instead. We care about people, and the truth of the claims that you are making. That's all. No hard feelings. I promise.

So YOUR negative experience with something makes your right about all alternative ideas? You and others keep shooting down anecdotal evidence but yet your anecdotal evidence rules and gives you the right to be pompous, demeaning, derailing, obnoxious? YOUR anecdotal evidence gives you the right to determine everyone else that doesn't think the way you do is wrong?

I'm wrong about TONS of things. And, if I offended you, then I apologize. However, if there's one thing I'm sure about, it's that I don't believe random claims about anything anymore. I don't just agree and swallow the cool-aid. I demand evidence. Not only does evidence provide support for my opinions on matters, but it just might save my life one day.

CristinaL1983

I'm feeling terribly let down that I'm not getting the quantum physics explanation that I asked for earlier. Really, I want to know what my professors are hiding from me since they don't want to explain it either. Really, you could just link me to something that shows how quantum physics explains energy healing...

ThickMcRunFast

homeopathic remedies,

Oh man. Homeopathic "remedies."

Also known as "black magic."

you know, except in my case of reflux.

you're so funny.

Yeah and when my son had pleurisy the "black magic" cured him in two days. You sound so ignorant you know, because you just dribble your drool without knowing what your'e trying to say.

Homeopathic "remedies" are placebos and nothing else. The liquids are nothing but water, and the pills are nothing but sugar.

There is literally no other substance in them, unless they've added a preservative or something.

But the thing listed on the outside of the bottle? There's none of that inside the bottle. You know that, right? Homeopathy is the process by which you start with a substance and then dilute it in water so many times there isn't any of it left.

Oh I know EXACTLY how homeopathic remedies are made. I am taking a course on homeopathy in fact. The energy of the substance is left, even though your scientists can't detect the crude substance anymore. And guess what, we've used them for a long time and it isn't placebo. You try giving your kids or other family members a placebo when they are puking, or sick with pleurisy, or teething, or having palpitations, or going into shock from falling 20 ft onto concrete . . . and see how they fare lol.

My daughter fell from the second story of a barn onto concrete and broke her wrist in two places. The neighbor drove her to me (4 houses away) and by then she was going into shock. I gave her arnica montana immediately and we both watched as the color returned to her lips/fingertips, and she became more responsive. Arnica montana also is indicated when there is bruised soft tissues. Because I gave her this remedy immediately, she never got a bruise . . . none. She did however break her arm in two places and it had to be reset. The doc was REALLY worried because she damaged her growth plate. He gave her a cast and he asked that she return in a 2 weeks. Well she was taking another homeopathic remedy during those two weeks and when they did the xray the growth plate was completely normal and one of the fractures had healed already. So yeah. You can't detect it in a lab, but the energy of the remedy is there and it is powerful. QUANTUM PHYSICS IS EXPLAINING THESE THEORIES NOW. Maybe you should read about it.

Now we're treading in my territory. I'm a senior, Physics Major, at a top University. Please, explain to me how quantum physics is explaining this because, apparently, my professors have neglected this topic.

Also, IBTL and most of this thread had me laughing so hard I cried and almost peed in my pants.

Additionally, a virus will eventually run its course but the two times I had viral meningitis, without modern medicine (including a week in the hospital) the "course" would have ended in death. If you know of the herbal remedy please explain that to me.

Also, Diet Dr. Pepper >Diet Pepsi> Diet Coke although Dr. Pepper>Coke>Pepsi. I drink diet soda daily. Experimentation suggests that aspartame is only bad for those with intolerances to it.

ETA: I also broke each wrist twice when I was younger (I was an over-active child) and had growth plate breaks two of the four times. No long term damage. Healed perfectly completely without any homeopathic remedies.

I'm still waiting for this stellar explanation. I can only imagine how wave-particle duality explains why a 1/100th dilution of vitamin C cures cancer.

Also, you can pry my coke zero from my cold, dead hands

PhillyTD