Monsanto Protection Act
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And it looks good on you.0 -
And it looks good on you.
I hope you're not talking to me... No ONE but taso is allowed to tinfoil my head.
Oh, btw, talk to a friend that works at Whole Foods and learn what is sprayed on that fresh produce every night. Gotta keep it fresh!0 -
I know this is a diet and fitness site ( and I did not go through every page of this thread ) but I don't think anyone has covered this part of the equation. They need more yield out of these crops. Corn = ethanol, soybeans = biodiesel. Using food for fuel is poor choice IMHO.0
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The facts are?0 -
The facts are?
that Monsanto is now protected from any liability or culpability if it turns out that GMO foods aren't good for us, even though they refuse to test them before releasing them into the marketplace.
how would you feel if a law were passed that said new drugs didn't have to go through testing before being placed on the market, and the manufacturers were protected from any liability for whatever negative effects those drugs may have?
who's wearing the tinfoil hat?0 -
Exactly where does it say that?0
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The facts are?
“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”
― John Adams
For every fact there is an infinity of hypotheses. ”
― Robert M. Pirsig, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance: An Inquiry Into Values
“If you're searching for the truth, throw out all your prejudices and just gather the facts. If you do that, you'll be able to see the real truth.”
― CLAMP
"Those convinced against their will are of the same opinion still"--Dale Carnegie0 -
Exactly where does it say that?In the event that a determination of non-
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regulated status made pursuant to section 411 of the Plant
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Protection Act is or has been invalidated or vacated, the
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Secretary of Agriculture shall, notwithstanding any other
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provision of law, upon request by a farmer, grower, farm
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operator, or producer, immediately grant temporary per-
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mit(s) or temporary deregulation in part, subject to nec-
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essary and appropriate conditions consistent with section
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411(a) or 412(c) of the Plant Protection Act, which interim
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conditions shall authorize the movement, introduction, con-
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tinued cultivation, commercialization and other specifically
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enumerated activities and requirements, including meas-
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ures designed to mitigate or minimize potential adverse en-
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vironmental effects, if any, relevant to the Secretary’s eval-
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uation of the petition for non-regulated status, while ensur-
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ing that growers or other users are able to move, plant, cul-
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tivate, introduce into commerce and carry out other author-
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ized activities in a timely manner: Provided, That all such
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conditions shall be applicable only for the interim period
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necessary for the Secretary to complete any required anal-
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yses or consultations related to the petition for non-regu-
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lated status: Provided further, That nothing in this section
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shall be construed as limiting the Secretary’s authority
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under section 411, 412 and 414 of the Plant Protection Act.
what that means, is that 'The "Monsanto Protection Act" effectively bars federal courts from being able to halt the sale or planting of controversial genetically modified (aka GMO) or genetically engineered (GE) seeds, no matter what health issues may arise concerning GMOs in the future. The advent of genetically modified seeds -- which has been driven by the massive Monsanto Company -- and their exploding use in farms across America came on fast and has proved a huge boon for Monsanto's profits.'
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Overreacting.
In what world?
Did you actually read the act or the over blown sensational news story?
I'm going to have to agree with the Overreacting. After reading to applicable part of the bill, all it seems to do is prevent a shut down of growing crops on an interim basis while a review is done. It doesn't protect them if they actually determine it's harmful. However, if something comes out that opens up some kind of review, it does protect them from being shut down while the review is ongoing.
I'm not a lawyer, but again I dont think the original post painted a balanced picture.0 -
Pretty sure there is more to that.0
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Exactly where does it say that?In the event that a determination of non-
8
regulated status made pursuant to section 411 of the Plant
9
Protection Act is or has been invalidated or vacated, the
10
Secretary of Agriculture shall, notwithstanding any other
11
provision of law, upon request by a farmer, grower, farm
12
operator, or producer, immediately grant temporary per-
13
mit(s) or temporary deregulation in part, subject to nec-
14
essary and appropriate conditions consistent with section
15
411(a) or 412(c) of the Plant Protection Act, which interim
16
conditions shall authorize the movement, introduction, con-
17
tinued cultivation, commercialization and other specifically
18
enumerated activities and requirements, including meas-
19
ures designed to mitigate or minimize potential adverse en-
20
vironmental effects, if any, relevant to the Secretary’s eval-
21
uation of the petition for non-regulated status, while ensur-
22
ing that growers or other users are able to move, plant, cul-
23
tivate, introduce into commerce and carry out other author-
24
ized activities in a timely manner: Provided, That all such
25
conditions shall be applicable only for the interim period
1
necessary for the Secretary to complete any required anal-
2
yses or consultations related to the petition for non-regu-
3
lated status: Provided further, That nothing in this section
4
shall be construed as limiting the Secretary’s authority
5
under section 411, 412 and 414 of the Plant Protection Act.
what that means, is that 'The "Monsanto Protection Act" effectively bars federal courts from being able to halt the sale or planting of controversial genetically modified (aka GMO) or genetically engineered (GE) seeds, no matter what health issues may arise concerning GMOs in the future. The advent of genetically modified seeds -- which has been driven by the massive Monsanto Company -- and their exploding use in farms across America came on fast and has proved a huge boon for Monsanto's profits.'
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Hmmm, wait, so you have to petition for it?
Hrm.0 -
And nowhere does it say they are protected from liability. If it is proven that something they have done is harmful (read proven not on your favorite gmo blog), they will get sued and pay up big time.0
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And nowhere does it say they are protected from liability. If it is proven that something they have done is harmful (read proven not on your favorite gmo blog), they will get sued and pay up big time.
Haha, but somehow it does.
I even had a few lawyer buddies read it, still doesn't say it.
People see what they want to see.0 -
Executive Orders per year by president.
Source: Forbes magazine. http://www.forbes.com/sites/richardsalsman/2013/01/28/when-it-comes-to-abuse-of-presidential-power-obama-is-a-mere-piker/
The article correctly points out that this is just a number count and does not indicate the impact of the orders.
As much as I dislike the president, bad information doesn't advance arguments.
it's also worth pointing out that in spite of having the least executive orders, Harding's administration is widely considered the most corrupt in American history
and Coolidge was probably entirely too lazy to sign an executive order more than a few times. (it was once said that "if Nero fiddled while Rome burned, Coolidge simply yawned, rolled over, and went back to sleep while America slid into the Great Depression")0 -
There are so many things to be concerned about with our food supply. Google "Pepsi aborted fetus" to read about how both coke and Pepsi were working with this company to introduce new types of sweetners/flavors to their formulas.0
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Whether or not there is anything wrong with GMO food, Monsanto should NOT be protected against possible future harm that might arise.
That's as good as admitting they already KNOW there is something they'll get sued over.
YES!! ^^0 -
And nowhere does it say they are protected from liability. If it is proven that something they have done is harmful (read proven not on your favorite gmo blog), they will get sued and pay up big time.
yeah sorry... are you a scholar of legislative law? you're going to suggest i trust YOU as to the interpretation of the bill, or should I trust the people who went to years of law school and who work for highly credible organizations?
hilarious.
read the text man:Secretary of Agriculture shall, notwithstanding any other
11
provision of law, upon request by a farmer, grower, farm
12
operator, or producer, immediately grant temporary per-
13
mit(s) or temporary deregulation in part, subject to nec-
14
essary and appropriate conditions consistent with section
15
411(a) or 412(c) of the Plant Protection Act, which interim
16
conditions shall authorize the movement, introduction, con-
17
tinued cultivation, commercialization and other specifically
18
enumerated activities and requirements, including meas-
19
ures designed to mitigate or minimize potential adverse en-
20
vironmental effects, if any, relevant to the Secretary’s eval-
21
uation of the petition for non-regulated status, while ensur-
22
ing that growers or other users are able to move, plant, cul-
23
tivate, introduce into commerce and carry out other author-
24
ized activities in a timely manner:
WHAT THIS MEANS:
The Secretary of Agriculture has the SOLE AUTHORITY to grant temporary non-regulated status to anyone (farmer, corporation, whomever) who asks for it, while they're waiting to hear if they're granted the official non-regulated status. This means they can operate as if they've already been granted their non-regulated status, even though they haven't.
Clear?
Non-regulated means they're not liable for anything.0 -
Monsanto Protection Act...
From Snopes:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/mpa.asp
Note: Mixture=True and False information
Also NOTE: Snopes is NOT the be all and end all to digging and searching for TRUTH We ALL should rather than readily believe what we are told, what we think, how we feel, before we call people conspiracy theorists or tin foil hat wears or agree or disagree with a matter...we should ALL research and search from all areas of a matter thoroughly before saying something is or is not true. Which is why I posted the quotes earlier. But as I quoted earlier and will post again:
“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”
― John Adams
For every fact there is an infinity of hypotheses. ”
― Robert M. Pirsig, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance: An Inquiry Into Values
“If you're searching for the truth, throw out all your prejudices and just gather the facts. If you do that, you'll be able to see the real truth.”
― CLAMP
"Those convinced against their will are of the same opinion still"--Dale Carnegie0 -
And nowhere does it say they are protected from liability. If it is proven that something they have done is harmful (read proven not on your favorite gmo blog), they will get sued and pay up big time.
yeah sorry... are you a scholar of legislative law? you're going to suggest i trust YOU as to the interpretation of the bill, or should I trust the people who went to years of law school and who work for highly credible organizations?
hilarious.
read the text man:Secretary of Agriculture shall, notwithstanding any other
11
provision of law, upon request by a farmer, grower, farm
12
operator, or producer, immediately grant temporary per-
13
mit(s) or temporary deregulation in part, subject to nec-
14
essary and appropriate conditions consistent with section
15
411(a) or 412(c) of the Plant Protection Act, which interim
16
conditions shall authorize the movement, introduction, con-
17
tinued cultivation, commercialization and other specifically
18
enumerated activities and requirements, including meas-
19
ures designed to mitigate or minimize potential adverse en-
20
vironmental effects, if any, relevant to the Secretary’s eval-
21
uation of the petition for non-regulated status, while ensur-
22
ing that growers or other users are able to move, plant, cul-
23
tivate, introduce into commerce and carry out other author-
24
ized activities in a timely manner:
WHAT THIS MEANS:
The Secretary of Agriculture has the SOLE AUTHORITY to grant temporary non-regulated status to anyone (farmer, corporation, whomever) who asks for it, while they're waiting to hear if they're granted the official non-regulated status. This means they can operate as if they've already been granted their non-regulated status, even though they haven't.
Clear?
Non-regulated means they're not liable for anything.
You seriously think it's that easy?
Obviously you clearly have no idea how government agencies work.
Wait, we are supposed to trust you're judgement as well? Odd logic there.0 -
And nowhere does it say they are protected from liability. If it is proven that something they have done is harmful (read proven not on your favorite gmo blog), they will get sued and pay up big time.
yeah sorry... are you a scholar of legislative law? you're going to suggest i trust YOU as to the interpretation of the bill, or should I trust the people who went to years of law school and who work for highly credible organizations?
hilarious.
read the text man:Secretary of Agriculture shall, notwithstanding any other
11
provision of law, upon request by a farmer, grower, farm
12
operator, or producer, immediately grant temporary per-
13
mit(s) or temporary deregulation in part, subject to nec-
14
essary and appropriate conditions consistent with section
15
411(a) or 412(c) of the Plant Protection Act, which interim
16
conditions shall authorize the movement, introduction, con-
17
tinued cultivation, commercialization and other specifically
18
enumerated activities and requirements, including meas-
19
ures designed to mitigate or minimize potential adverse en-
20
vironmental effects, if any, relevant to the Secretary’s eval-
21
uation of the petition for non-regulated status, while ensur-
22
ing that growers or other users are able to move, plant, cul-
23
tivate, introduce into commerce and carry out other author-
24
ized activities in a timely manner:
WHAT THIS MEANS:
The Secretary of Agriculture has the SOLE AUTHORITY to grant temporary non-regulated status to anyone (farmer, corporation, whomever) who asks for it, while they're waiting to hear if they're granted the official non-regulated status. This means they can operate as if they've already been granted their non-regulated status, even though they haven't.
Clear?
Non-regulated means they're not liable for anything.
But i should trust an "actor" for mine?0 -
And nowhere does it say they are protected from liability. If it is proven that something they have done is harmful (read proven not on your favorite gmo blog), they will get sued and pay up big time.
Non-regulated means they are not liable .. If they do not have to conform to the laws in place to protect the consumer then they cannot be sued if their product harms you.
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WHAT THIS MEANS:
The Secretary of Agriculture has the SOLE AUTHORITY to grant temporary non-regulated status to anyone (farmer, corporation, whomever) who asks for it, while they're waiting to hear if they're granted the official non-regulated status. This means they can operate as if they've already been granted their non-regulated status, even though they haven't.
Clear?
Non-regulated means they're not liable for anything.
Something being non-regulated is not the same thing as a company not being liable for damages caused by this non regulated item. Herbal supplements are non regulated however companies have had to pay on lawsuits.0 -
no, do the damn research
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/food-oversight-curbs-spending-bill-outrage-article-1.1298967
http://stream.aljazeera.com/story/201303282113-0022643
http://www.ibtimes.com/furor-growing-against-obama-over-monsanto-protection-act-1156459
http://www.inquisitr.com/591630/farmers-protest-monsanto-protection-act-at-white-house/
http://news.msn.com/us/monsanto-protection-act-called-outrageous-dangerous
http://investorplace.com/investorpolitics/the-monsanto-protection-act-only-in-america/
http://www.salon.com/2013/03/27/farmers_and_food_safety_advocates_lead_monsanto_backlash_partner/0 -
no, do the damn research
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/food-oversight-curbs-spending-bill-outrage-article-1.1298967
http://stream.aljazeera.com/story/201303282113-0022643
http://www.ibtimes.com/furor-growing-against-obama-over-monsanto-protection-act-1156459
http://www.inquisitr.com/591630/farmers-protest-monsanto-protection-act-at-white-house/
http://news.msn.com/us/monsanto-protection-act-called-outrageous-dangerous
http://investorplace.com/investorpolitics/the-monsanto-protection-act-only-in-america/
http://www.salon.com/2013/03/27/farmers_and_food_safety_advocates_lead_monsanto_backlash_partner/
ROFLMAO!0 -
no, do the damn research
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/food-oversight-curbs-spending-bill-outrage-article-1.1298967
http://stream.aljazeera.com/story/201303282113-0022643
http://www.ibtimes.com/furor-growing-against-obama-over-monsanto-protection-act-1156459
http://www.inquisitr.com/591630/farmers-protest-monsanto-protection-act-at-white-house/
http://news.msn.com/us/monsanto-protection-act-called-outrageous-dangerous
http://investorplace.com/investorpolitics/the-monsanto-protection-act-only-in-america/
http://www.salon.com/2013/03/27/farmers_and_food_safety_advocates_lead_monsanto_backlash_partner/
:drinker: :flowerforyou: :drinker:
And when WE do...look at BOTH sides of the debate/argument--NOT merely searching for y/our personal beliefs, feelings, opinions, searching only for y/our side of the opinion, but BOTH sides, then--that's how we may come to know the TRUTH of a matter--but that takes time and effort--something most folks just aint willing to do.0 -
WHAT THIS MEANS:
The Secretary of Agriculture has the SOLE AUTHORITY to grant temporary non-regulated status to anyone (farmer, corporation, whomever) who asks for it, while they're waiting to hear if they're granted the official non-regulated status. This means they can operate as if they've already been granted their non-regulated status, even though they haven't.
Clear?
Non-regulated means they're not liable for anything.
Something being non-regulated is not the same thing as a company not being liable for damages caused by this non regulated item. Herbal supplements are non regulated however companies have had to pay on lawsuits.
prove it. the reason they say "consult with your physician before use" and "not intended to treat or cure any disease" and "not evaluated by the FDA" is that YOU'RE responsible and you CAN'T sue Now Foods because you took too much HCl and gave yourself terrible reflux which led to barretts esophagus and esophageal cancer.
you can't. that was on you.0 -
WHAT THIS MEANS:
The Secretary of Agriculture has the SOLE AUTHORITY to grant temporary non-regulated status to anyone (farmer, corporation, whomever) who asks for it, while they're waiting to hear if they're granted the official non-regulated status. This means they can operate as if they've already been granted their non-regulated status, even though they haven't.
Clear?
Non-regulated means they're not liable for anything.
Something being non-regulated is not the same thing as a company not being liable for damages caused by this non regulated item. Herbal supplements are non regulated however companies have had to pay on lawsuits.
Exactly, I don't you realize the government is going through a damn sequester. Which means cost has to cut in places then the budget organized.
There are A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE NON-REGULATED NOW. It does not mean not liable.
Sensation media, gotta love it.0 -
no, do the damn research
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/food-oversight-curbs-spending-bill-outrage-article-1.1298967
http://stream.aljazeera.com/story/201303282113-0022643
http://www.ibtimes.com/furor-growing-against-obama-over-monsanto-protection-act-1156459
http://www.inquisitr.com/591630/farmers-protest-monsanto-protection-act-at-white-house/
http://news.msn.com/us/monsanto-protection-act-called-outrageous-dangerous
http://investorplace.com/investorpolitics/the-monsanto-protection-act-only-in-america/
http://www.salon.com/2013/03/27/farmers_and_food_safety_advocates_lead_monsanto_backlash_partner/
ROFLMAO!
now where's that tinfoil hat... i know it's around here somewhere......0 -
WHAT THIS MEANS:
The Secretary of Agriculture has the SOLE AUTHORITY to grant temporary non-regulated status to anyone (farmer, corporation, whomever) who asks for it, while they're waiting to hear if they're granted the official non-regulated status. This means they can operate as if they've already been granted their non-regulated status, even though they haven't.
Clear?
Non-regulated means they're not liable for anything.
Something being non-regulated is not the same thing as a company not being liable for damages caused by this non regulated item. Herbal supplements are non regulated however companies have had to pay on lawsuits.
Exactly, I don't you realize the government is going through a damn sequester. Which means cost has to cut in places then the budget organized.
There are A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE NON-REGULATED NOW. It does not mean not liable.
Sensation media, gotta love it.
yeah not exactly, see my response to that post.0
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