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  • mrphil86
    mrphil86 Posts: 2,382 Member
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    Pretty sure there is more to that.
  • mrphil86
    mrphil86 Posts: 2,382 Member
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    Exactly where does it say that?
    In the event that a determination of non-
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    regulated status made pursuant to section 411 of the Plant
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    Protection Act is or has been invalidated or vacated, the
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    Secretary of Agriculture shall, notwithstanding any other
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    provision of law, upon request by a farmer, grower, farm
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    operator, or producer, immediately grant temporary per-
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    mit(s) or temporary deregulation in part, subject to nec-
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    essary and appropriate conditions consistent with section
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    411(a) or 412(c) of the Plant Protection Act, which interim
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    conditions shall authorize the movement, introduction, con-
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    tinued cultivation, commercialization and other specifically
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    enumerated activities and requirements, including meas-
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    ures designed to mitigate or minimize potential adverse en-
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    vironmental effects, if any, relevant to the Secretary’s eval-
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    uation of the petition for non-regulated status, while ensur-
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    ing that growers or other users are able to move, plant, cul-
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    tivate, introduce into commerce and carry out other author-
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    ized activities in a timely manner: Provided, That all such
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    conditions shall be applicable only for the interim period
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    necessary for the Secretary to complete any required anal-
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    yses or consultations related to the petition for non-regu-
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    lated status: Provided further, That nothing in this section
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    shall be construed as limiting the Secretary’s authority
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    under section 411, 412 and 414 of the Plant Protection Act.

    what that means, is that 'The "Monsanto Protection Act" effectively bars federal courts from being able to halt the sale or planting of controversial genetically modified (aka GMO) or genetically engineered (GE) seeds, no matter what health issues may arise concerning GMOs in the future. The advent of genetically modified seeds -- which has been driven by the massive Monsanto Company -- and their exploding use in farms across America came on fast and has proved a huge boon for Monsanto's profits.'

    edited to add full text of law

    Hmmm, wait, so you have to petition for it?

    Hrm.
  • ryry_
    ryry_ Posts: 4,966 Member
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    And nowhere does it say they are protected from liability. If it is proven that something they have done is harmful (read proven not on your favorite gmo blog), they will get sued and pay up big time.
  • mrphil86
    mrphil86 Posts: 2,382 Member
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    And nowhere does it say they are protected from liability. If it is proven that something they have done is harmful (read proven not on your favorite gmo blog), they will get sued and pay up big time.

    Haha, but somehow it does.

    I even had a few lawyer buddies read it, still doesn't say it.

    People see what they want to see.
  • Teddy_B
    Teddy_B Posts: 69 Member
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    Executive Orders per year by president.

    Source: Forbes magazine. http://www.forbes.com/sites/richardsalsman/2013/01/28/when-it-comes-to-abuse-of-presidential-power-obama-is-a-mere-piker/

    The article correctly points out that this is just a number count and does not indicate the impact of the orders.
    As much as I dislike the president, bad information doesn't advance arguments.

    eo.jpg

    it's also worth pointing out that in spite of having the least executive orders, Harding's administration is widely considered the most corrupt in American history

    and Coolidge was probably entirely too lazy to sign an executive order more than a few times. (it was once said that "if Nero fiddled while Rome burned, Coolidge simply yawned, rolled over, and went back to sleep while America slid into the Great Depression")
  • NYactor1
    NYactor1 Posts: 9,642 Member
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    There are so many things to be concerned about with our food supply. Google "Pepsi aborted fetus" to read about how both coke and Pepsi were working with this company to introduce new types of sweetners/flavors to their formulas.
  • CynthiasChoice
    CynthiasChoice Posts: 1,047 Member
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    Whether or not there is anything wrong with GMO food, Monsanto should NOT be protected against possible future harm that might arise.

    That's as good as admitting they already KNOW there is something they'll get sued over.

    YES!! ^^
  • CoachReddy
    CoachReddy Posts: 3,949 Member
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    And nowhere does it say they are protected from liability. If it is proven that something they have done is harmful (read proven not on your favorite gmo blog), they will get sued and pay up big time.

    yeah sorry... are you a scholar of legislative law? you're going to suggest i trust YOU as to the interpretation of the bill, or should I trust the people who went to years of law school and who work for highly credible organizations?

    hilarious.

    read the text man:
    Secretary of Agriculture shall, notwithstanding any other
    11
    provision of law, upon request by a farmer, grower, farm
    12
    operator, or producer, immediately grant temporary per-
    13
    mit(s) or temporary deregulation in part, subject to nec-
    14
    essary and appropriate conditions consistent with section
    15
    411(a) or 412(c) of the Plant Protection Act, which interim
    16
    conditions shall authorize the movement, introduction, con-
    17
    tinued cultivation, commercialization and other specifically
    18
    enumerated activities and requirements, including meas-
    19
    ures designed to mitigate or minimize potential adverse en-
    20
    vironmental effects, if any, relevant to the Secretary’s eval-
    21
    uation of the petition for non-regulated status, while ensur-
    22
    ing that growers or other users are able to move, plant, cul-
    23
    tivate, introduce into commerce and carry out other author-
    24
    ized activities in a timely manner:

    WHAT THIS MEANS:

    The Secretary of Agriculture has the SOLE AUTHORITY to grant temporary non-regulated status to anyone (farmer, corporation, whomever) who asks for it, while they're waiting to hear if they're granted the official non-regulated status. This means they can operate as if they've already been granted their non-regulated status, even though they haven't.

    Clear?

    Non-regulated means they're not liable for anything.
  • NewLIFEstyle4ME
    NewLIFEstyle4ME Posts: 4,440 Member
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    Monsanto Protection Act...

    From Snopes:

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/mpa.asp

    Note: Mixture=True and False information

    Also NOTE: Snopes is NOT the be all and end all to digging and searching for TRUTH We ALL should rather than readily believe what we are told, what we think, how we feel, before we call people conspiracy theorists or tin foil hat wears or agree or disagree with a matter...we should ALL research and search from all areas of a matter thoroughly before saying something is or is not true. Which is why I posted the quotes earlier. But as I quoted earlier and will post again:

    “Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”
    ― John Adams

    For every fact there is an infinity of hypotheses. ”
    ― Robert M. Pirsig, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance: An Inquiry Into Values

    “If you're searching for the truth, throw out all your prejudices and just gather the facts. If you do that, you'll be able to see the real truth.”
    ― CLAMP

    "Those convinced against their will are of the same opinion still"--Dale Carnegie
  • mrphil86
    mrphil86 Posts: 2,382 Member
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    And nowhere does it say they are protected from liability. If it is proven that something they have done is harmful (read proven not on your favorite gmo blog), they will get sued and pay up big time.

    yeah sorry... are you a scholar of legislative law? you're going to suggest i trust YOU as to the interpretation of the bill, or should I trust the people who went to years of law school and who work for highly credible organizations?

    hilarious.

    read the text man:
    Secretary of Agriculture shall, notwithstanding any other
    11
    provision of law, upon request by a farmer, grower, farm
    12
    operator, or producer, immediately grant temporary per-
    13
    mit(s) or temporary deregulation in part, subject to nec-
    14
    essary and appropriate conditions consistent with section
    15
    411(a) or 412(c) of the Plant Protection Act, which interim
    16
    conditions shall authorize the movement, introduction, con-
    17
    tinued cultivation, commercialization and other specifically
    18
    enumerated activities and requirements, including meas-
    19
    ures designed to mitigate or minimize potential adverse en-
    20
    vironmental effects, if any, relevant to the Secretary’s eval-
    21
    uation of the petition for non-regulated status, while ensur-
    22
    ing that growers or other users are able to move, plant, cul-
    23
    tivate, introduce into commerce and carry out other author-
    24
    ized activities in a timely manner:

    WHAT THIS MEANS:

    The Secretary of Agriculture has the SOLE AUTHORITY to grant temporary non-regulated status to anyone (farmer, corporation, whomever) who asks for it, while they're waiting to hear if they're granted the official non-regulated status. This means they can operate as if they've already been granted their non-regulated status, even though they haven't.

    Clear?

    Non-regulated means they're not liable for anything.

    You seriously think it's that easy?

    Obviously you clearly have no idea how government agencies work.

    Wait, we are supposed to trust you're judgement as well? Odd logic there.
  • ryry_
    ryry_ Posts: 4,966 Member
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    And nowhere does it say they are protected from liability. If it is proven that something they have done is harmful (read proven not on your favorite gmo blog), they will get sued and pay up big time.

    yeah sorry... are you a scholar of legislative law? you're going to suggest i trust YOU as to the interpretation of the bill, or should I trust the people who went to years of law school and who work for highly credible organizations?

    hilarious.

    read the text man:
    Secretary of Agriculture shall, notwithstanding any other
    11
    provision of law, upon request by a farmer, grower, farm
    12
    operator, or producer, immediately grant temporary per-
    13
    mit(s) or temporary deregulation in part, subject to nec-
    14
    essary and appropriate conditions consistent with section
    15
    411(a) or 412(c) of the Plant Protection Act, which interim
    16
    conditions shall authorize the movement, introduction, con-
    17
    tinued cultivation, commercialization and other specifically
    18
    enumerated activities and requirements, including meas-
    19
    ures designed to mitigate or minimize potential adverse en-
    20
    vironmental effects, if any, relevant to the Secretary’s eval-
    21
    uation of the petition for non-regulated status, while ensur-
    22
    ing that growers or other users are able to move, plant, cul-
    23
    tivate, introduce into commerce and carry out other author-
    24
    ized activities in a timely manner:

    WHAT THIS MEANS:

    The Secretary of Agriculture has the SOLE AUTHORITY to grant temporary non-regulated status to anyone (farmer, corporation, whomever) who asks for it, while they're waiting to hear if they're granted the official non-regulated status. This means they can operate as if they've already been granted their non-regulated status, even though they haven't.

    Clear?

    Non-regulated means they're not liable for anything.

    But i should trust an "actor" for mine?
  • Confuzzled4ever
    Confuzzled4ever Posts: 2,860 Member
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    And nowhere does it say they are protected from liability. If it is proven that something they have done is harmful (read proven not on your favorite gmo blog), they will get sued and pay up big time.

    Non-regulated means they are not liable .. If they do not have to conform to the laws in place to protect the consumer then they cannot be sued if their product harms you.

    ..
  • chessgeekdavidb
    chessgeekdavidb Posts: 208 Member
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    WHAT THIS MEANS:

    The Secretary of Agriculture has the SOLE AUTHORITY to grant temporary non-regulated status to anyone (farmer, corporation, whomever) who asks for it, while they're waiting to hear if they're granted the official non-regulated status. This means they can operate as if they've already been granted their non-regulated status, even though they haven't.

    Clear?

    Non-regulated means they're not liable for anything.

    Something being non-regulated is not the same thing as a company not being liable for damages caused by this non regulated item. Herbal supplements are non regulated however companies have had to pay on lawsuits.
  • CoachReddy
    CoachReddy Posts: 3,949 Member
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    no, do the damn research

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/food-oversight-curbs-spending-bill-outrage-article-1.1298967
    http://stream.aljazeera.com/story/201303282113-0022643
    http://www.ibtimes.com/furor-growing-against-obama-over-monsanto-protection-act-1156459
    http://www.inquisitr.com/591630/farmers-protest-monsanto-protection-act-at-white-house/
    http://news.msn.com/us/monsanto-protection-act-called-outrageous-dangerous
    http://investorplace.com/investorpolitics/the-monsanto-protection-act-only-in-america/
    http://www.salon.com/2013/03/27/farmers_and_food_safety_advocates_lead_monsanto_backlash_partner/
  • mrphil86
    mrphil86 Posts: 2,382 Member
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    no, do the damn research

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/food-oversight-curbs-spending-bill-outrage-article-1.1298967
    http://stream.aljazeera.com/story/201303282113-0022643
    http://www.ibtimes.com/furor-growing-against-obama-over-monsanto-protection-act-1156459
    http://www.inquisitr.com/591630/farmers-protest-monsanto-protection-act-at-white-house/
    http://news.msn.com/us/monsanto-protection-act-called-outrageous-dangerous
    http://investorplace.com/investorpolitics/the-monsanto-protection-act-only-in-america/
    http://www.salon.com/2013/03/27/farmers_and_food_safety_advocates_lead_monsanto_backlash_partner/

    ROFLMAO!
  • NewLIFEstyle4ME
    NewLIFEstyle4ME Posts: 4,440 Member
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    no, do the damn research

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/food-oversight-curbs-spending-bill-outrage-article-1.1298967
    http://stream.aljazeera.com/story/201303282113-0022643
    http://www.ibtimes.com/furor-growing-against-obama-over-monsanto-protection-act-1156459
    http://www.inquisitr.com/591630/farmers-protest-monsanto-protection-act-at-white-house/
    http://news.msn.com/us/monsanto-protection-act-called-outrageous-dangerous
    http://investorplace.com/investorpolitics/the-monsanto-protection-act-only-in-america/
    http://www.salon.com/2013/03/27/farmers_and_food_safety_advocates_lead_monsanto_backlash_partner/

    :drinker: :flowerforyou: :drinker:

    And when WE do...look at BOTH sides of the debate/argument--NOT merely searching for y/our personal beliefs, feelings, opinions, searching only for y/our side of the opinion, but BOTH sides, then--that's how we may come to know the TRUTH of a matter--but that takes time and effort--something most folks just aint willing to do.
  • CoachReddy
    CoachReddy Posts: 3,949 Member
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    WHAT THIS MEANS:

    The Secretary of Agriculture has the SOLE AUTHORITY to grant temporary non-regulated status to anyone (farmer, corporation, whomever) who asks for it, while they're waiting to hear if they're granted the official non-regulated status. This means they can operate as if they've already been granted their non-regulated status, even though they haven't.

    Clear?

    Non-regulated means they're not liable for anything.

    Something being non-regulated is not the same thing as a company not being liable for damages caused by this non regulated item. Herbal supplements are non regulated however companies have had to pay on lawsuits.

    prove it. the reason they say "consult with your physician before use" and "not intended to treat or cure any disease" and "not evaluated by the FDA" is that YOU'RE responsible and you CAN'T sue Now Foods because you took too much HCl and gave yourself terrible reflux which led to barretts esophagus and esophageal cancer.

    you can't. that was on you.
  • mrphil86
    mrphil86 Posts: 2,382 Member
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    WHAT THIS MEANS:

    The Secretary of Agriculture has the SOLE AUTHORITY to grant temporary non-regulated status to anyone (farmer, corporation, whomever) who asks for it, while they're waiting to hear if they're granted the official non-regulated status. This means they can operate as if they've already been granted their non-regulated status, even though they haven't.

    Clear?

    Non-regulated means they're not liable for anything.

    Something being non-regulated is not the same thing as a company not being liable for damages caused by this non regulated item. Herbal supplements are non regulated however companies have had to pay on lawsuits.

    Exactly, I don't you realize the government is going through a damn sequester. Which means cost has to cut in places then the budget organized.

    There are A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE NON-REGULATED NOW. It does not mean not liable.

    Sensation media, gotta love it.
  • CoachReddy
    CoachReddy Posts: 3,949 Member
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    no, do the damn research

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/food-oversight-curbs-spending-bill-outrage-article-1.1298967
    http://stream.aljazeera.com/story/201303282113-0022643
    http://www.ibtimes.com/furor-growing-against-obama-over-monsanto-protection-act-1156459
    http://www.inquisitr.com/591630/farmers-protest-monsanto-protection-act-at-white-house/
    http://news.msn.com/us/monsanto-protection-act-called-outrageous-dangerous
    http://investorplace.com/investorpolitics/the-monsanto-protection-act-only-in-america/
    http://www.salon.com/2013/03/27/farmers_and_food_safety_advocates_lead_monsanto_backlash_partner/

    ROFLMAO!

    now where's that tinfoil hat... i know it's around here somewhere......
  • CoachReddy
    CoachReddy Posts: 3,949 Member
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    WHAT THIS MEANS:

    The Secretary of Agriculture has the SOLE AUTHORITY to grant temporary non-regulated status to anyone (farmer, corporation, whomever) who asks for it, while they're waiting to hear if they're granted the official non-regulated status. This means they can operate as if they've already been granted their non-regulated status, even though they haven't.

    Clear?

    Non-regulated means they're not liable for anything.

    Something being non-regulated is not the same thing as a company not being liable for damages caused by this non regulated item. Herbal supplements are non regulated however companies have had to pay on lawsuits.

    Exactly, I don't you realize the government is going through a damn sequester. Which means cost has to cut in places then the budget organized.

    There are A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE NON-REGULATED NOW. It does not mean not liable.

    Sensation media, gotta love it.

    yeah not exactly, see my response to that post.

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