The udder truth
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This is from a scientific paper (not my opinion)
Milk--the promoter of chronic Western diseases.
Melnik BC.
Source
Department of Dermatology, Environmental Medicine and Health Theory, University of Osnabrück, Sedanstrasse 115, D-49090 Osnabrück, Germany. melnik@t-online.de
Abstract
Common chronic diseases of Western societies, such as coronary heart disease, diabetes mellitus, cancer, hypertension, obesity, dementia, and allergic diseases are significantly influenced by dietary habits. Cow's milk and dairy products are nutritional staples in most Western societies. Milk and dairy product consumption is recommended by most nutritional societies because of their beneficial effects for calcium uptake and bone mineralization and as a source of valuable protein. However, the adverse long-term effects of milk and milk protein consumption on human health have been neglected. A hypothesis is presented, showing for the first time that milk protein consumption is an essential adverse environmental factor promoting most chronic diseases of Western societies. Milk protein consumption induces postprandial hyperinsulinaemia and shifts the growth hormone/insulin-like growth factor-1 (IGF-1) axis to permanently increased IGF-1 serum levels. Insulin/IGF-1 signalling is involved in the regulation of fetal growth, T-cell maturation in the thymus, linear growth, pathogenesis of acne, atherosclerosis, diabetes mellitus, obesity, cancer and neurodegenerative diseases, thus affecting most chronic diseases of Western societies. Of special concern is the possibility that milk intake during pregnancy adversely affects the early fetal programming of the IGF-1 axis which will influence health risks later in life. An accumulated body of evidence for the adverse effects of cow's milk consumption from fetal life to childhood, adolescence, adulthood and senescence will be provided which strengthens the presented hypothesis.0 -
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Complete nonsense. The reason there is an obesity problem is more to do with people stuffing their faces with food and doing no exercise. If they ate proper portions and got up of their chair and moved about there would be no obesity problem.
That is not what you said in your OP. You just stated "milk is linked to causing these illness" and then proceeded to list almost every ailment known to God and man.I completely understand people's defensive reaction to this post, but please do the research. The milk industry spends hundreds of millions of dollars just in advertisement. They have programed people to think that dairy is needed, but ask someone that's Lacto-Intolerant, you can very easily get calcium from other means. Actually, there is a correlation between countries with high dairy intake and osteoporosis. This is because calcium from dairy does not get absorbed by the body in the same way as calcium from say broccoli.
I am not telling people NOT to consume dairy, I am merely pointing our that if you have certain conditions, you might want to think about the amount of dairy you consume. Do an experiment- try cutting it down (out) for a week, see how you feel. If you feel better, great! If not, go back to dairy.
I am not dogmatic, I just want to spread the knowledge that has been passed onto me, and has made such a difference in my health and quality of life.
Never once did you mention lacto intolerance.
Your original post is scaremongering at its best.
I didn't mean that just lacto people have these symptoms a lot of people can drink dairy and have aggrevated symptoms. I just meant that people who are lacto or vegan or choose not to drink dairy, have ALL found ways to get their calcium.
Look obviously, people will eat whatever they are going to eat, but if people want to really educate themselves on the truth about the food industry then will be healthier for it. We have an obesity epidemic in this country - why do you think this is? Because the "food" that people are eating is NOT the same food as it was before. It's refined, highly processed, full of chemicals, and body altering ingredients.0 -
This is from a scientific paper (not my opinion)
Milk--the promoter of chronic Western diseases.
Melnik BC.
Source
Department of Dermatology, Environmental Medicine and Health Theory, University of Osnabrück, Sedanstrasse 115, D-49090 Osnabrück, Germany. melnik@t-online.de
Abstract
Common chronic diseases of Western societies, such as coronary heart disease, diabetes mellitus, cancer, hypertension, obesity, dementia, and allergic diseases are significantly influenced by dietary habits. Cow's milk and dairy products are nutritional staples in most Western societies. Milk and dairy product consumption is recommended by most nutritional societies because of their beneficial effects for calcium uptake and bone mineralization and as a source of valuable protein. However, the adverse long-term effects of milk and milk protein consumption on human health have been neglected. A hypothesis is presented, showing for the first time that milk protein consumption is an essential adverse environmental factor promoting most chronic diseases of Western societies. Milk protein consumption induces postprandial hyperinsulinaemia and shifts the growth hormone/insulin-like growth factor-1 (IGF-1) axis to permanently increased IGF-1 serum levels. Insulin/IGF-1 signalling is involved in the regulation of fetal growth, T-cell maturation in the thymus, linear growth, pathogenesis of acne, atherosclerosis, diabetes mellitus, obesity, cancer and neurodegenerative diseases, thus affecting most chronic diseases of Western societies. Of special concern is the possibility that milk intake during pregnancy adversely affects the early fetal programming of the IGF-1 axis which will influence health risks later in life. An accumulated body of evidence for the adverse effects of cow's milk consumption from fetal life to childhood, adolescence, adulthood and senescence will be provided which strengthens the presented hypothesis.
They didn't say it's fact; they said it's a hypothesis.
hypothesis[ hahy-poth-uh-sis, hi- ]
noun plural hy·poth·e·ses
1. a proposition, or set of propositions, set forth as an explanation for the occurrence of some specified group of phenomena, either asserted merely as a provisional conjecture to guide investigation (working hypothesis) or accepted as highly probable in the light of established facts.
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This is from a scientific paper (not my opinion)
Milk--the promoter of chronic Western diseases.
Melnik BC.
Source
Department of Dermatology, Environmental Medicine and Health Theory, University of Osnabrück, Sedanstrasse 115, D-49090 Osnabrück, Germany. melnik@t-online.de
Abstract
Common chronic diseases of Western societies, such as coronary heart disease, diabetes mellitus, cancer, hypertension, obesity, dementia, and allergic diseases are significantly influenced by dietary habits. Cow's milk and dairy products are nutritional staples in most Western societies. Milk and dairy product consumption is recommended by most nutritional societies because of their beneficial effects for calcium uptake and bone mineralization and as a source of valuable protein. However, the adverse long-term effects of milk and milk protein consumption on human health have been neglected. A hypothesis is presented, showing for the first time that milk protein consumption is an essential adverse environmental factor promoting most chronic diseases of Western societies. Milk protein consumption induces postprandial hyperinsulinaemia and shifts the growth hormone/insulin-like growth factor-1 (IGF-1) axis to permanently increased IGF-1 serum levels. Insulin/IGF-1 signalling is involved in the regulation of fetal growth, T-cell maturation in the thymus, linear growth, pathogenesis of acne, atherosclerosis, diabetes mellitus, obesity, cancer and neurodegenerative diseases, thus affecting most chronic diseases of Western societies. Of special concern is the possibility that milk intake during pregnancy adversely affects the early fetal programming of the IGF-1 axis which will influence health risks later in life. An accumulated body of evidence for the adverse effects of cow's milk consumption from fetal life to childhood, adolescence, adulthood and senescence will be provided which strengthens the presented hypothesis.
Look, if you believe it, then stop drinking it, - Simples.
But please stop preaching at others.0 -
Acne is caused by hormones and not by diet. Cutting out foods just means you make people miserable, calcium deficient, and wondering why they still have acne.
Eating dairy does alter peoples hormones.
I know lots of people who have cut out dairy and are actually happier for it, healthier, and look great!
There are lots of ways to get calcium, and actually a lot better ways to get calcium than dairy. I would recommend watching the documentary "Forks over Knives", if you want to check out the scientific evidence, Also, you can check out a short film here:
www.tobecrude.wordpress.com
Oh, well, if there's a documentary AND a site on the interwebz, then it must be true!0 -
Gosh. How did I live to be 62 with no health problems (touch wood). I love dairy and have eaten it all my life.
The dairy industry has changed A LOT. Today, the dairy is loaded with growth hormones to produce more milk, antibiotics because cows are over milked and get udder infections, and even given steroids.
Don't take my word for it- search for the truth.
Milk- Got pus?
Ok. Let me try here. First, let me preface my statements by saying that I have degrees in Animal Science, Biochemistry and
Agricultural Education. I have been working as a professional in the Agriculture Industry for 30 years. So I believe that I know a little about production agriculture and having grown up in the dairy industry, that as well. My statements reflect the Ag Industry in the United States, other countries rules may to be the same.
Growth hormones that may be given to dairy cows -( and are not given frequently to cattle as the increase in production is not really high enough to merit the time and expense of injection) are species specific. The hormone is Bovine Somatotropin. It will only effect members of the Bovine group. If you are not a cow, the hormone will not effect you. There is a similar growth hormone used in the hog industry, it is called Porcine Somatotropin. Again, species specific, if you are not a pig, it will not work in your body. Both of these Somatotropins help the animal to make more efficient use of the feed they are fed. In dairy cows, it helps the to put energy into milk production. In hogs, the hormone helps the animal to put energy into muscle (meat) production. Human Growth Hormone controls a lot of the endocrine function in the body. It is naturally produced by your pituitary gland at the base of your brain, just like BST and PST in the respective animal's bodies. HGH is necessary for growing children to achieve height and normal sexual hormone development, function and excretion. HGH, I given to a cow or pig would have no impact.
The comment relative to antibiotics in milk is erroneous. There are hold times on milk from cows that are being treated with any kind of medication, especially antibiotics. When milk is picked up from each producer a vial is drawn and labeled. That vial is tested when the full tanker reaches the processor. If any vial of milk tests positive for medications the ENTIRE tanker is dumped and the producer responsible for the contamination ends up with a very stiff fine, not to mention the cost of refunding the other producers on the tanker's route for contaminating their milk which now cannot be sold.
I have no clue where you got your information, but like the commercial tries to proclaim, "I read it on the Internet, they can't put anything on the Internet that isn't true" try again. Your source may not be all that reputable.
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The chemicals in today's food is highly addictive! People do not over eat because they are hungry.
People are over fed and under nourished. We can agree to disagree, but I am merely stating the scientific evidence.
What you're telling me then is that every other time in history people exercised, except for now right- wrong!
The difference between now and 50 years ago is the FOOD! Yes people over eat, but the food that people are eating is tricking their bodies into thinking they need more food. People are becoming over fed and under nourished.
Choose to do as you want, but I choose to spread the truth- read the abstract for the scientific paper I posted, watch "forks over knives" or read "the china study" and get back to me. Would love to further discuss. I appreciate the dialogue.0 -
We have obesity because all of our entertainment is visual now --- TV, video games, social media - all of which require we sit on our fat a$$e$ instead of moving them.0
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Wrong again. The difference between now and 50 years ago are:The chemicals in today's food is highly addictive! People do not over eat because they are hungry.
People are over fed and under nourished. We can agree to disagree, but I am merely stating the scientific evidence.
What you're telling me then is that every other time in history people exercised, except for now right- wrong!
The difference between now and 50 years ago is the FOOD! Yes people over eat, but the food that people are eating is tricking their bodies into thinking they need more food. People are becoming over fed and under nourished.
Choose to do as you want, but I choose to spread the truth- read the abstract for the scientific paper I posted, watch "forks over knives" or read "the china study" and get back to me. Would love to further discuss. I appreciate the dialogue.
Nintendo Wii
Playstations
Xbox
iPad
iPod
Smartphones
Computers
See a trend? Children are spending more time sitting down than they did 50 years ago. A fat child will grow up to be a fat adult.0 -
The chemicals in today's food is highly addictive! People do not over eat because they are hungry.
People are over fed and under nourished. We can agree to disagree, but I am merely stating the scientific evidence.
What you're telling me then is that every other time in history people exercised, except for now right- wrong!
The difference between now and 50 years ago is the FOOD! Yes people over eat, but the food that people are eating is tricking their bodies into thinking they need more food. People are becoming over fed and under nourished.
Choose to do as you want, but I choose to spread the truth- read the abstract for the scientific paper I posted, watch "forks over knives" or read "the china study" and get back to me. Would love to further discuss. I appreciate the dialogue.
The China Study is not a credible source to be referencing.
http://www.foodrenegade.com/the-china-study-discredited/0 -
Wrong again. The difference between now and 50 years ago are:The chemicals in today's food is highly addictive! People do not over eat because they are hungry.
People are over fed and under nourished. We can agree to disagree, but I am merely stating the scientific evidence.
What you're telling me then is that every other time in history people exercised, except for now right- wrong!
The difference between now and 50 years ago is the FOOD! Yes people over eat, but the food that people are eating is tricking their bodies into thinking they need more food. People are becoming over fed and under nourished.
Choose to do as you want, but I choose to spread the truth- read the abstract for the scientific paper I posted, watch "forks over knives" or read "the china study" and get back to me. Would love to further discuss. I appreciate the dialogue.
Nintendo Wii
Playstations
Xbox
iPad
iPod
Smartphones
Computers
See a trend? Children are spending more time sitting down than they did 50 years ago. A fat child will grow up to be a fat adult.
Not only children become obese. There are a lot of people who do not play video games and are obese.
There are also children who play video games and are not obese.
Look at school lunches: ketchup is considered a vegetable. Kids are given, pizza, sloppy joes, french fries, burgers, etc-- this has nothing to do with it right?0 -
I find it funny how some people buy into ONE specific thing that is the cause of the health problems we have in America and even other parts of the world . Its like saying "Here is a magic pill for weight loss". It just doesn't happen like that.
There are many factors why we have such bad health. Just because the studies over the last x amount of years lines up with the the increase of health issues doesn't mean that's the only factor. You can say the same for more meat consumption, more wheat consumption, more corn consumption, more processed foods, more availability of food, more aluminum cans...the list goes on and on. It is very easy for someone with a bias opinion to bend the results of these studies to their benefit.
My opinion, its because of gluttony. We eat too much and we don't exercise. I have heard countless stories of these very same health problems 100% disappearing when they got fit and ate better. I am one of them.0 -
I haven't read all these responses because I simply don't have the time but I am responding to you first post.0
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Wrong again. The difference between now and 50 years ago are:The chemicals in today's food is highly addictive! People do not over eat because they are hungry.
People are over fed and under nourished. We can agree to disagree, but I am merely stating the scientific evidence.
What you're telling me then is that every other time in history people exercised, except for now right- wrong!
The difference between now and 50 years ago is the FOOD! Yes people over eat, but the food that people are eating is tricking their bodies into thinking they need more food. People are becoming over fed and under nourished.
Choose to do as you want, but I choose to spread the truth- read the abstract for the scientific paper I posted, watch "forks over knives" or read "the china study" and get back to me. Would love to further discuss. I appreciate the dialogue.
Nintendo Wii
Playstations
Xbox
iPad
iPod
Smartphones
Computers
See a trend? Children are spending more time sitting down than they did 50 years ago. A fat child will grow up to be a fat adult.
Not only children become obese. There are a lot of people who do not play video games and are obese.
There are also children who play video games and are not obese.
Look at school lunches: ketchup is considered a vegetable. Kids are given, pizza, sloppy joes, french fries, burgers, etc-- this has nothing to do with it right?
As someone who works in a school and serves lunch, while those may be options, it's not what the kids are fed everyday.
My students are fed things that are full of grains, protein and fat. We also set out trays of fruit/veggies, but half of them don't eat them for one reason or another. They get one juice, and milk to drink. It is also portion controlled. One scoop of this, half a scoop of that, a ladle of this, etc.
The main reason why students are getting fatter is the fact that schools are taking away physical education and sports to fund academic projects. Kids aren't given a chance to run around during the day and are thus forced to sit all day long. Combine that with poor eating habits at home and less moving at home, and bam you have an obese student.0 -
If I listen to every person on MFP who list what's wrong with every food item , then I would never eat. Stay under your calorie limit, exercise, and stop stressing.
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I HAVE THE ANSWER!!!
Here in canada (and a few places in the states I am sure)
BREAST MILK BANKS!! (this is a true story...google it)
we should petition that it be available to the general public and that way we can get our prime time top grade milk.
I wanna suckle right from the teet though....It'll make me feel all fuzzy and nice. 2 birds one stone!! (nutrition/mental health)0 -
Wow, you guys are brutal. She did some research and wanted to share what she learned. The facts are out there, but you have to find the research not paid for by the dairy industry. BTW, your hormones are directly linked to what you eat. To claim that something is completely hormone driven & has no correlation to what you eat is ignorance at best. Every part of your health is linked to what you eat.0
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Also eating foods other than dairy is linked to:
Acne
Arthritis
Asthma
Autism
Breast Cancer
Colon Cancer
Constipation
Cramps
Depression
Diabetes
Diarrhea
Ear Infections
Eczema
Emphysema
Headaches
High Cholesterol
Hyperactivity
Increased mucus
AND YES OSTEOPOROSIS
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We should all become Breathairians.0
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I had to google this.... what is wrong with people?!0
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Wow, you guys are brutal. She did some research and wanted to share what she learned. The facts are out there, but you have to find the research not paid for by the dairy industry. BTW, your hormones are directly linked to what you eat. To claim that something is completely hormone driven & has no correlation to what you eat is ignorance at best. Every part of your health is linked to what you eat.
Thank you. I don't know why people get so aggressive. I am not trying to convert people, I just have come to know a lot of people, though meeting lots of raw foodists and vegans who have had so many health benefits- myself included- and I want to encourage others to research the same way I did. I used to be the same way, so I don't get mad when people are aggressive like this. My favorite food on the planet was cheese, and I used to eat a high protein (meat) diet.
I have personally had so many benefits- weight loss, sleeping better, acid reflux, clearer skin thicker hair and nails, MORE energy, and over all I am so happy. Why wouldn't I want to share this with others? If they don't want to listen, I understand.0 -
Wow, you guys are brutal. She did some research and wanted to share what she learned. The facts are out there, but you have to find the research not paid for by the dairy industry. BTW, your hormones are directly linked to what you eat. To claim that something is completely hormone driven & has no correlation to what you eat is ignorance at best. Every part of your health is linked to what you eat.
Thank you. I don't know why people get so aggressive. I am not trying to convert people, I just have come to know a lot of people, though meeting lots of raw foodists and vegans who have had so many health benefits- myself included- and I want to encourage others to research the same way I did. I used to be the same way, so I don't get mad when people are aggressive like this. My favorite food on the planet was cheese, and I used to eat a high protein (meat) diet.
I have personally had so many benefits- weight loss, sleeping better, acid reflux, clearer skin thicker hair and nails, MORE energy, and over all I am so happy. Why wouldn't I want to share this with others? If they don't want to listen, I understand.
Acid reflux is a benefit?
Well that is news to me.
Also, I've experienced all the same.. while not cutting out a damn thing. So it really depends on the person.
Preaching without providing real sources, is going to get you no where.. fast.0 -
amenIf I listen to every person on MFP who list what's wrong with every food item , then I would never eat. Stay under your calorie limit, exercise, and stop stressing.0 -
Thank you, Mrsjaybob! Very helpful information. I believe I'll join you and have a nice glass of milk myself.Gosh. How did I live to be 62 with no health problems (touch wood). I love dairy and have eaten it all my life.
The dairy industry has changed A LOT. Today, the dairy is loaded with growth hormones to produce more milk, antibiotics because cows are over milked and get udder infections, and even given steroids.
Don't take my word for it- search for the truth.
Milk- Got pus?
Ok. Let me try here. First, let me preface my statements by saying that I have degrees in Animal Science, Biochemistry and
Agricultural Education. I have been working as a professional in the Agriculture Industry for 30 years. So I believe that I know a little about production agriculture and having grown up in the dairy industry, that as well. My statements reflect the Ag Industry in the United States, other countries rules may to be the same.
Growth hormones that may be given to dairy cows -( and are not given frequently to cattle as the increase in production is not really high enough to merit the time and expense of injection) are species specific. The hormone is Bovine Somatotropin. It will only effect members of the Bovine group. If you are not a cow, the hormone will not effect you. There is a similar growth hormone used in the hog industry, it is called Porcine Somatotropin. Again, species specific, if you are not a pig, it will not work in your body. Both of these Somatotropins help the animal to make more efficient use of the feed they are fed. In dairy cows, it helps the to put energy into milk production. In hogs, the hormone helps the animal to put energy into muscle (meat) production. Human Growth Hormone controls a lot of the endocrine function in the body. It is naturally produced by your pituitary gland at the base of your brain, just like BST and PST in the respective animal's bodies. HGH is necessary for growing children to achieve height and normal sexual hormone development, function and excretion. HGH, I given to a cow or pig would have no impact.
The comment relative to antibiotics in milk is erroneous. There are hold times on milk from cows that are being treated with any kind of medication, especially antibiotics. When milk is picked up from each producer a vial is drawn and labeled. That vial is tested when the full tanker reaches the processor. If any vial of milk tests positive for medications the ENTIRE tanker is dumped and the producer responsible for the contamination ends up with a very stiff fine, not to mention the cost of refunding the other producers on the tanker's route for contaminating their milk which now cannot be sold.
I have no clue where you got your information, but like the commercial tries to proclaim, "I read it on the Internet, they can't put anything on the Internet that isn't true" try again. Your source may not be all that reputable.
Off to have an ice cold glass of milk!0 -
Gosh. How did I live to be 62 with no health problems (touch wood). I love dairy and have eaten it all my life.
The dairy industry has changed A LOT. Today, the dairy is loaded with growth hormones to produce more milk, antibiotics because cows are over milked and get udder infections, and even given steroids.
Don't take my word for it- search for the truth.
Milk- Got pus?
One word . . . Organic
When I was lactating I eliminated all animal milk for 16 months, when I returned to it I only did so after doing some extensive research which led me to one resounding conclusion . . . Organic.0 -
I make my milk from oats. It's quick, easy, and cheap. Sho cheep!
How do you make it?0 -
Wow, you guys are brutal. She did some research and wanted to share what she learned. The facts are out there, but you have to find the research not paid for by the dairy industry. BTW, your hormones are directly linked to what you eat. To claim that something is completely hormone driven & has no correlation to what you eat is ignorance at best. Every part of your health is linked to what you eat.
Thank you. I don't know why people get so aggressive. I am not trying to convert people, I just have come to know a lot of people, though meeting lots of raw foodists and vegans who have had so many health benefits- myself included- and I want to encourage others to research the same way I did. I used to be the same way, so I don't get mad when people are aggressive like this. My favorite food on the planet was cheese, and I used to eat a high protein (meat) diet.
I have personally had so many benefits- weight loss, sleeping better, acid reflux, clearer skin thicker hair and nails, MORE energy, and over all I am so happy. Why wouldn't I want to share this with others? If they don't want to listen, I understand.
We get aggressive because, like you, we also have opinions. Mine is, simply, that your data is inaccurate.0 -
While it is true that a study recently came out of Harvard positively linking the hormones that cows naturally produce during lactation to cystic acne, I still eat yogurt and cheese.
Almost all the things the OP listed are actually linked to the fact that dairy cows are primarily grain-fed cows. Cows aren't physiologically built to eat grain, not to mention the fact that the grain itself most often contains pesticide residue. They get fed grain and it tears up their stomachs and makes them sick, which means they need antibiotics to get better. Sure, that antibiotic may not show up in testing, but the fact remains the milk comes from an animal that was fed pesticides, herbicides, and artificial fertilizer. Bam, IBS and all sorts of nasty.
I switched to organic dairy only, and no more IBS. I tried going dairy-free completely to resolve a lingering acne issue, but then could never get enough protein into my day.
The answer for me is balance. Not blanket statements or Chicken Little-ing.
*Edited to fix a spelling error :-)0 -
They look like some of my coworkers...
You work with panicking stick figures? Sweet0
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