The udder truth

iAMsmiling

So many heads stuck in the sand. Sad

Hello people. The food industry produces its own "science" to "debunk" proven links between their products and diseases.

Go on thinking dairy, red meat and processed crap are perfectly good for human consumption if it makes you happy.

Ignorance is bliss

It really so sad how the industry has so engrained things into people's brains, that the people who are affected are the ones that defend it.

I think there's a little snowflake that's feeling very superior in her ability to see what others cannot.

If only we'd educate ourselves, we'd see the sky falling.

Nachise

I am lactose intolerant, but I do eat dairy in the form of yogurt, aged cheeses, and fermented butter. Any dairy product that I consume is organic and free of the growth hormones, steroids, drugs, etc., are are prevalent in non-organic food substances.

Before someone jumps on my case and says that organic food is expensive, I will say this: any food that I ate before I started on my journey would be expensive because I ate too much of it. You cannot wash pesticides off your veggies. They become part and parcel of your food products because they are absorbed through the skin and through the root system of the plant. Eat organic. The expense is nothing compared to the cost of cancer, skin disease, and other autoimmune disorders.

geebusuk

I can also guarantee that 100% of people who have cancer have consumed water at some point in their lives.

So please, stop drinking water. Think of your precious cells!

There is high levels of DHMO in the water we drink!!

This site offers lots of non-disputable facts about DHMO: http://www.dhmo.org/ - definitely worth a read!

darkguardian419

Just replying so I can say what I want on my wall without getting reported.

Contrarian

I'm glad that dairy is only linked to things that begin with letters in the first half of the alphabet. That's a relief!

cindiva65

but I luvs cows.....see my ticker???

quirkytizzy

I can also guarantee that 100% of people who have cancer have consumed water at some point in their lives.

So please, stop drinking water. Think of your precious cells!

There is high levels of DHMO in the water we drink!!

This site offers lots of non-disputable facts about DHMO: http://www.dhmo.org/ - definitely worth a read!

That was my point. Telling someone to avoid something like water because it has chemicals in it is ludicrous. Chemicals are not a cause/effect thing. One could easily point to water as being teh devil of cancer as well - and be as equally ridiculous.

sullus

I can also guarantee that 100% of people who have cancer have consumed water at some point in their lives.

So please, stop drinking water. Think of your precious cells!

There is high levels of DHMO in the water we drink!!

This site offers lots of non-disputable facts about DHMO: http://www.dhmo.org/ - definitely worth a read!

That was my point. Telling someone to avoid something like water because it has chemicals in it is ludicrous. Chemicals are not a cause/effect thing. One could easily point to water as being teh devil of cancer as well - and be as equally ridiculous.

Iron_Feline

Oh noes milks gone bad :sad:



There is nothing wrong with milk unless you have an allergy to it.

TheRightWeigh

**************** COW'S MILK AND DAIRY (approx 3000 words)
By Dave Rietz, WEBmaster www.notmilk.com

Yes... mother natures "perfect food" ... for a calf!
[Until it's weaned]

Everything you know about cow's milk and dairy is probably part of a
Dairy industry MYTH! Cow's milk is an unhealthy fluid from diseased
animals that has a wide range of dangerous and disease-causing
substances that have a cumulative negative effect on all who consume it.

Basic Contents:

*ALL* cow's milk has 59 active hormones, scores of allergens, fat and
cholesterol. Most cow's milk has measurable quantities of herbicides,
pesticides, dioxin's (up to 200 times the safe levels), up to 52
powerful antibiotics (perhaps 53 with LS-50), blood, pus, feces,
bacteria and viruses. (Cow's milk can have traces of anything the cow
ate... including such things as radioactive fallout from nuke testing
... (the 50's strontium-90 problem).

The leading causes of death are:

http://webapp.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/leadcaus.html (1998)

Rank Total Description

1 724,859 Heart Disease (think fats/cholesterol: meat,dairy)
2 541,532 Malignant Neoplasms (cancer: think toxins/milk/dairy)
2a 250,000 Medical system (drugs/etc. Think ignorance/incompetence)
3 158,448 Cerebro-vascular (think meat milk and dairy)
4 112,584 Bronchitis Emphysema Asthma (think toxins/milk/dairy)
5 97,835 Unintentional Inj & Adv. Effects
6 91,871 Pneumonia & Influenza (think weak immune systems and mucus)
7 64,751 Diabetes (think milk/dairy)
7a 40,000+ highway slaughter (men, women and children)
8 30,575 Suicide (think behavioral problems)
9 26,182 Nephritis (Bright's disease: inflammation of the kidneys)
10 25,192 Liver Disease (think alcohol and other toxins)

(2a and 7a were added for completeness)

(note: Number 13 on the CDC list is -18,272 Homicide & Legal
Intervention-. It is curious that the CDC would readily list law
enforcement and homicides... and not the 250,000 deaths caused by
the medical system!)

**** Cancer "Fuel Cell":

Of those 59 hormones one is a powerful GROWTH hormone called Insulin-
like Growth Factor ONE (IGF-1). By a freak of nature it is identical
between cows and humans. Consider this hormone to be a "fuel cell" for
any cancer... (the medical world says IGF-1 is a key factor in the rapid
growth and proliferation of breast, prostate and colon cancers, and we
suspect that most likely it will be found to promote ALL cancers).

IGF-1 is a normal part of ALL milk... the newborn is SUPPOSED to grow
quickly! What makes the 50% of obese American consumers think they
need MORE growth? Consumers don't think anything about it because they
do not have a clue to the problem... nor do most of our doctors.

(See http://www.notmilk.com/igf1time.txt for a time line)

**** Quantity

Each bite of hard cheese has TEN TIMES whatever was in that sip of
milk... because it takes ten pounds of milk to make one pound of cheese.
Each bite of ice cream has 12 times ... and every swipe of butter 21
times whatever is contained in the fat molecules in a sip of milk.

**** Monsanto and rbGH (Posilac)

Monsanto Chemical Co., maker of fine poisons such as DDT, agent
orange, Roundup and more... spent around half a billion dollars
inventing a shot to inject into cows... to force a cow to produce MORE
milk (for an already glutted taxpayer subsidized market).

Unfortunately, they created *FIVE* errors in their Frankenstein
Posilac (rbGH) shot that direly affected all test animals... but that
important report (Richard, Odaglia & Deslex, 1989) has been hidden from
everyone under Clinton's Trade Secrets act. The Canadians read enough
of this report (before it was stolen) to reject rbGH for their country.

Monsanto's Posilac creates additional IGF-1 in milk: up to 80% more.

The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) insists that IGF-1 is destroyed
in the stomach. If that were true, the FDA has proven that
breast feeding cannot work. Common sense says their "finding" is
ridiculous because this growth factor DOES make the baby calf grow
(rapidly, as mother natured intended). Visit the Dairy Education Board
at http://www.notmilk.com/deb/100399.html to review a DAIRY study that
confirms what the FDA has lied about this for years.

**** IGF-1 increases

This study involved two groups. One group consuming 12 ounces of
milk a day and the other consuming the USDA recommended allowance of 24
ounces (three cups). This report notes that the participants consuming
12 ounces more milk per day... HAD A 10% RISE IN IGF-1 IN THEIR BLOOD
SERUM! Now, consider that PER DAY, from ALL sources, the typical
milk/dairy consumer ingests approximately 39% of daily diet from
dairy... and that 10% increase becomes the "tip of the iceberg". We
have NO idea of the non-dairy versus full-dairy difference but
considering cancer rates... it has to be significant.

**** Fat

Whole milk 49% of the calories are from fat.
"2%" milk 35% of the calories are from fat.
Cheddar cheese 74% of the calories are from fat.
Butter 100% of the calories are from fat.

Most folks suspect that butter is all fat. Most folks have no concept
of the just how much fat is in the rest of milk and dairy. Perhaps the
54% of Americans who are obese need to comprehend that milk, ice cream,
cheeses, yogurts, and all the OTHER products that use milk derivatives
(casein, whey, lactose, colostrum) are most likely a significant cause
for their weight and health problem.

**** Calcium

Calcium? Where do the COWS get calcium for their big bones? Yes...
from plants! The calcium they consume from plants has a large amount of
magnesium... necessary for the body to absorb and USE the calcium.

The calcium in cow's milk is basically useless because it has
insufficient magnesium content (those nations with the highest amount of
milk/dairy consumption also have the highest rates of osteoporosis.
Proof? How about a controlled study of 78,000 nurses over a period of
12 years?

Read more about it at:

http://www.notmilk.com/deb/030799.html Article on the 78,000 nurse study
http://www.notmilk.com/deb/092098.html CALCIUM AND BONE DISEASE
http://www.notmilk.com/badbones.html WHO GETS BONE DISEASE?
http://www.notmilk.com/bonehead.txt CRIPPLING BONEHEADS
http://www.notmilk.com/calcium/index.html Consolidated info

Cows milk has three times the calcium as does human breast milk. No
matter, neither are very usable because in order to be absorbed and used
their MUST be an equal quantity of MAGNESIUM (as exists in the greens
that cows eat to get all the calcium they need for their big bones).
Milk has only enough magnesium to absorb around 11% (33mg per cup) of
calcium.

Per the USDA 8 ounces (one cup) of cows milk contains:

Calcium, Ca mg 291.336
Magnesium, Mg mg 32.794

The USDA recommends 1200mg of calcium per day. The USDA recommended
three cups of milk a day only have 900mg of calcium. Some argue that
only 1/3 of the magnesium is necessary. Mother nature seems to suggest
it should be one to one. If the ratio for proper absorption were 1/3
magnesium to one calcium then no more than 300mg of that 900mg of
calcium is usable. If, in fact, it is a one to one ratio... only
98.38mg of calcium is usable.

It is not a matter of how much calcium one ingests... but how much
the do not lose.

**** Protein

Milk can be thought of as "liquid meat" because of its high protein
content which, in concert with other proteins, may actually LEACH
calcium from the body. Countries that consume high protein diets (meat,
milk and dairy) have the highest rates of osteoporosis.

**** The wholesome protein myth:

MILK: 87% of milk is water. That makes it VERY expensive water.

Broken down into its basic groups... WHOLE MILK is:

WATER FAT CASEIN OTHER OTHER
PROTEIN
87% 3.25% 4% 1% 4.75

(note: that is 3.25% "milkfat" which includes the 87% water.)

80% of the protein in milk is casein. Casein is a powerful binder... a
polymer used to make plastics... and a glue that is better used to make
sturdy furniture or hold beer bottle labels in place. It is in
thousands of processed foods as a binder... as "something" caseinate.

Casein is a powerful allergen... a histamine that creates lots of
mucus. The only medicine in Olympic athlete Flo-Jo's body was Benedryl,
a power antihistamine she took to combat her last meal... pizza. See

http://www.notmilk.com/deb/092198.html,
http://www.notmilk.com/deb/111598.html and
http://www.notmilk.com/deb/112398.html for the whole story.

**** Bacteria

Cow's milk is allowed to have feces in it. This is a major source for
bacteria. Milk is typically pasteurized more than once before it gets
to your table... each time for only 15 seconds at 162 degrees
Fahrenheit.

To sanitize water one is told to boil it (212 degrees F) for several
minutes. That is a tremendous disparity, isn't it!

Keep in mind that at room temperature the number of bacteria in milk
DOUBLE around every 20 minutes. No wonder milk turns rotten very
quickly.

**** PUS

ONE cubic centimeter (cc) of commercial cow's milk is allowed to have
up to 750,000 somatic cells (common name is "PUS") and 20,000 live
bacteria... before it is kept off the market.

That amounts to a whopping 20 million live squiggly bacteria and up to
750 MILLION pus cells per liter (bit more than a quart).

1 cup = 236.5882cc 177,441,150 pus cells ~ 4,731,600 bacteria
24 oz (3 glasses) 532,323,450 pus cells ~ 14,220,000 bacteria
(the "recommended" daily intake)

The EU and the Canadians allow for a less "tasty" 400,000,000 pus cells
per liter.

Typically these levels are lower... but they COULD reach these levels
and still get to YOUR table.

**** Cholesterol

The cholesterol content of those three glasses of milk is equal to
what one would get from 53 slices of bacon. Do you know of any doctor
who recommends that much bacon per day?

**** Kosher

Is cow's milk and dairy "Kosher"? Consider this:

"D-3 always is derived from an animal. The sunlight reaction that
converts 7-dehydrocholesterol to vitamin D-3 is a 'pure' chemical
reaction that occurs in your skin in certain cells."

"The provitamin known as 7-dehydrocholesterol is extracted and isolated
from the skins of mammals and purified." (Marian Herbert of the Vitamin
D Workshop U of C)

Vitamin D-3 can come from four different sources:

Pig skin, sheep skin, raw fish liver, and pig brains. Most of the time,
Vitamin D-3 is extracted from pig skin and sold to dairy processors.

Short answer to "is milk kosher" - probably not.

**** Other "stuff":

Fat and cholesterol. Lots of it. Per the dairy influenced USDA
"food pyramid" all milk, dairy and meats should represent no more than
8% of the diet. Statistically, by volume of sales in a nation of 281
million Americans, it works out to almost 40% of the diet for MILK AND
DAIRY.. without the meat.

The milk of each of the over 4,700 mammals on earth is formulated
specifically for that species. There are special lactoferrins and
immunoglobulins (cow specific immunizing stuff) that in humans serve as
allergens.

**** Leukemia

According to Hoards Dairyman (Volume 147, number 4)... 89% of
America's dairy herds have the leukemia virus.
(more at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/notmilk/message/835)

**** Diabetes

The protein lactalbumin, has been identified as a key factor in
diabetes (and a major reason for NOT giving cows milk to infants).

**** Crohn's Disease

Mycobacterium paratuberculosis causes a bovine disease called
"Johne's."

Cows diagnosed with Johne's Disease have diarrhea, and heavy fecal
shedding of bacteria. This bacteria becomes cultured in milk, and is not
destroyed by pasteurization. Occasionally, the milk-borne bacteria will
begin to grow in the human host, and irritable bowel syndrome and
Crohn's results.

**** Mad Cow Disease

There may also be prions (pronounced PREons) in the milk and meat.
This is crystalline substance that acts like a virus... with an
"incubation" period of from 5 to 30 years. The end result is MAD COW
DISEASE!

**** Homogenization

Large fat molecules cannot get through the intestinal wall into the
bloodstream. The cream no longer rises... because homogenization breaks
up those large molecules into small ones that DO get into the
bloodstream! This becomes an expressway for any fat-borne toxins (lead,
dioxin's, etc.) into your (otherwise) most protected organs.

**** Cumulative effects:

How does this impact humans who consume cow's milk and dairy? Obesity
(over 50% of Americans and rising), heart disease, cancer, allergies,
digestive problems, diabetes, asthma, desensitization to antibiotics,
behavioral problems, and the constant ingestion of dioxin's, herbicides,
pesticides (and anything else the cow eats that is not good for any
critter), that winds up getting stored in HUMAN fat... is not healthy by
any measure.

Those who resist believing the truth should understand that MOST of
the world's population CANNOT tolerate the lactose in cow's milk. Up to
95% of the black population, around 53% of the Hispanics, etc.) So
much for cow's milk being "natures perfect food" for humans! Mother
nature knows better.

Common sense question: Where was this massive "milk is a must"
before refrigeration, pasteurization and mass transportation? Back when
cows gave only 1-4 pounds a day it was quickly made into BUTTER and
cheese! Now that those same cows have been tweaked and shot-up with
Posilac to produce up to 55 or more pounds of milk per day... almost all
year long... it is suddenly (after many thousands of years) a daily
"staple". NOT!

**** Pollution

There are around 9.2 million dairy cows in the United states. Each
dairy cow ingests around 330 pounds of feed (perhaps 50 pounds) and water
(around 280 pounds or 33 gallons) per day. Allowing for the best dairy
production of 55 pounds of milk per day (over ten times what mother nature
designed the cow to produce) that means that what remains becomes "slurry".

That means around 275 pound of urine and feces per day... per cow, for
a daily total of 2.53 BILLION pounds of pollution. Per year... that amounts
to around 923 billion pounds of UNTREATED pollution entering our streams,
rivers, lakes... and drinking water systems.

Cows are hot-blooded mammals. Like all other mammals they pass gas.
Somewhat like elephants their compartmented digestive system is rather
inefficient... which leads to the creation of MORE gas. During a
Discovery Channel documentary on elephants a parting quip was that the
average adult elephant passes enough methane gas per day to run a car
about 20 miles.

Cows are not much better. The English New Scientist (page 5 -31.8.96)
mentions that cattle produce around 48 kilograms (105 pounds) of methane
each per year and that more bubbles out of the animals' manure. Dairy
cows eat more because they produce milk. With 9.2 million dairy cows
times a minimum of 100 pounds of methane gas per year... that amounts
almost a billion pounds of methane gas released into the atmosphere each
year. With around 100 million beef cattle... pigs, sheep, and other
"factory farmed" animals it should not be difficult to fathom the extent
of this problem.

This means that "Beef is a greenhouse-intensive food" and a major
cause of global warming (with dairy a significant part of the problem).

Another major point is:

"Milk is a very strong pollutant: it is about 400 times more polluting
than untreated sewage. To put it another way, 1,000 gallons of milk has
the same polluting potential as the untreated sewage from a town of
7,000 people." Morlais Owen. Chief Scientist for Welsh Water. North
Wales Weekly News. 24.3.88.

**** SOME ANSWERED QUESTIONS:

Q: What is WHEY?

Whey results when the FAT and CASEIN are removed from milk.
In making cheese, the curds become the cheese.

Whey's main components are bovine serum albumin and lactalbumin.
There are other hormones contained in whey.

Q: What happens to the:

59 hormones
Scores of allergens
herbicides, pesticides, dioxin's
up to 52 antibiotics

when made into cheese?

A. Everything gets concentrated.

when made into butter?

A. The allergens get lost: but the dioxin's and
pesticides and antibiotics remain in the fat.

in the digestive system?

Steroid hormones survive, as do dioxin's and antibiotics.
In homogenized milk, protein hormones survive... depending upon the
gastric pH, some protein hormones in cheese survive, but not all...
eleven steroid hormones survive.

and... what happens next?

Eventually, everything is broken down, but not before the chemical
messengers (hormones) "deliver their message."

Each of those hormones and proteins acts differently and has different
rates of degradation. BOTTOM LINE... they all survive to a certain
degree... and the effects are cumulative.

Other health trashing substances in cow's milk:

whey: Blood proteins. Bovine serum lactalbumin has been identified as a
trigger for diabetes and other autoimmune diseases.

lactose: Two sugars. Glucose and galactose. Galactose has been
indentified as a trigger for glaucoma. There are several columns that
cover lactose (covering galactose and galactosemia):

http://www.notmilk.com/deb/090599.txt Dr. Gordon: Heart Disease
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/notmilk/message/629 Lactose is dangerous
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/notmilk/message/453 Ben's heart
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/notmilk/message/396 Female Cancers
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/notmilk/message/378 Lactose intolerance

colostrum (cow's first milk): Loaded with hormones, particularly IGF-I,
along with loads of immunizing agents for COW DISEASES.

Answers courtesy of the NOTMILKMAN. (notmilkman@notmilk.com)

MILK: What a surprise!

(read what a NOTMILK guest book respondent said:
http://www.notmilk.com/gbooktalk.txt)


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Diabetics please read http://www.notmilk.com/deb/011099.html

Read up on "mad cow disease"? Visit
http://www.milkgate.com for what may well be mankind's NEXT plague.

http://www.notmilk.com/milkinfo.txt my 2400 word overview (this file)
http://www.notmilk.com/wholemilk.txt USDA facts, and what they omitted
http://www.notmilk.com/52reasons.txt A reason for every week of the
year

Perhaps the BEST single reference:
http://www.notmilk.com/a-z.txt Extensive reasons by ailment/topic

Quote:

"It's not natural for humans to drink cow's milk. Humans milk is for
humans. Cow's milk is for calves. You have no more need of cow's milk
than you do rats milk, horses milk or elephant's milk. Cow's milk is a
high fat fluid exquisitely designed to turn a 65 lb baby calf into a 400
lb cow. That's what cow's milk is for!" Dr Michael Klaper MD

"I no longer recommend dairy products after the age of 2 years. Other
calcium sources offer many advantages that dairy products do not have."
........ Dr. Benjamin Spock

***** PLEASE... PASS THIS INFO AROUND TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW! *****

You really don't understand the concept of objectivity do you? You pulled this from a site called notmilk.com...I have yet to see you put a source up that is of any substance.

YogaNikki

Best. Thread. Ever. And by best, I come from a purely entertaining stance.... :laugh:

TheRightWeigh

Wow, you guys are brutal. She did some research and wanted to share what she learned. The facts are out there, but you have to find the research not paid for by the dairy industry. BTW, your hormones are directly linked to what you eat. To claim that something is completely hormone driven & has no correlation to what you eat is ignorance at best. Every part of your health is linked to what you eat.

Ummm...so, no profile picture, 1 friend,37 total posts since February 2011, no real social prescence on MFP, last post was 08/14/12 ....yet you find your way into THIS thread to defend the OP...Julieban1=OP?? Just a theory...you know like all this milk crap...

MeMyCatsandI

It's all the dihydrogen monoxide in milk .. that stuff's found in all cancer tumors, industrial waste, you name it.

Yea; on t2kburl that's something that the food industry's "science" doesn't tell us.
It's been proven that a very high percentage of people that have cancer or canerous cells have ingested DHMO at some point.
DHMO is found in red meat, dairy AND most processed foods!!

But, yea; ignorance is bliss, so most people just ignore that and keep eating their DHMO-laced foods!

Interesting. It's also been proven that a high percentage of people who do NOT have cancer or cancerous cells have ingested DHMO at some point. But go ahead and think you're enlightened if it helps you.

_SABOTEUR_

Living is linked to dying.

Might as well just end my life now then.

stephdeeable

Okay, I just threw out all of my dairy products! What do I do next?

*eating yogurt from garbage can*

helyla

Living is linked to dying.

Might as well just end my life now then.

Ahaha.

LOVE your profile pic BTW :laugh:

Absonthebrain

They look like some of my coworkers...

Boy ain't that the truth?!?!?!?!?!

LOL!!!!

theCarlton

I swear we just did this....
Did anyone mention baby cows yet?

da_bears10089

The chemicals in today's food is highly addictive! People do not over eat because they are hungry.
People are over fed and under nourished. We can agree to disagree, but I am merely stating the scientific evidence.
What you're telling me then is that every other time in history people exercised, except for now right- wrong!
The difference between now and 50 years ago is the FOOD! Yes people over eat, but the food that people are eating is tricking their bodies into thinking they need more food. People are becoming over fed and under nourished.
Choose to do as you want, but I choose to spread the truth- read the abstract for the scientific paper I posted, watch "forks over knives" or read "the china study" and get back to me. Would love to further discuss. I appreciate the dialogue.

Wrong again. The difference between now and 50 years ago are:
Nintendo Wii
Playstations
Xbox
iPad
iPod
Smartphones
Computers

See a trend? Children are spending more time sitting down than they did 50 years ago. A fat child will grow up to be a fat adult.

Not only children become obese. There are a lot of people who do not play video games and are obese.
There are also children who play video games and are not obese.
Look at school lunches: ketchup is considered a vegetable. Kids are given, pizza, sloppy joes, french fries, burgers, etc-- this has nothing to do with it right?

i don't know what schools you have gone to, but have never heard of a school calling ketchup a vegetable

jessilyn76

What is "ducan".....?