Pop tarts vs. Toaster Strudel
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Second, I've found by a quick perusal of the responses to my post that most ( most , but not all ) of the greatest defenders of garbage like Pop Tarts are those who are farthest from reaching their goal.
1. I don't find that to be true at all but it's an easy statement to throw out there without substantiating, so I can see why you'd try it.
Because the most vociferous Pop Tart defenders here (there are two, one of whom called me "orthorexic" and the other who said I was a member of cult and "food phobic", and they know who they are - you can read back if you're curious) are both in the camp of being far from goal. If you want some substantiation, dig a little.
But if they have hit their minimum protein and fat targets, and still have some calories left to have a pop-tart, why is it a problem?
People aren't eating 100% pop-tarts, they are eating pop-tarts as part of an otherwise healthy diet.
Just like you did with your dessert today.
THAT isn't the problem. What you suggested is totally fine. The problem is those same people demeaning folks who choose to eat "clean", while wearing a pop tart as a badge of honor.
Wearing a pop tart as a badge of honor?
Dude, it's a pop tart. Don't you think you're maybe taking this all a little too seriously?0 -
I never SAID it was a problem - I said that Pop-Tarts and Toaster Strudel are garbage, nothing but a sugar and fat delivery system. If that's what you want to eat, more power to you. But your fitness is like The Slight Edge - a total of a lot of seemingly small decisions that have no apparent impact at the moment you make them but their cumulative effect over time determines whether you succeed or fail. So if you want to eat a Pop Tart, go ahead - but I'd never pretend it was "food" that was going past my lips, or that it in any way is going to contribute to my well-being and in fact is a setback I could have avoided.
A setback? 200 calories is a setback? Really? If you truly believe that then I'd be among those labeling you as food phobic.
Go check out the diary of the poster who called me "orthorexic". It's nothing but setbacks - which is her choice, but I don't need to be called names by a member whose "logging" is more horror story than chronicle of progress.0 -
I never SAID it was a problem - I said that Pop-Tarts and Toaster Strudel are garbage, nothing but a sugar and fat delivery system. If that's what you want to eat, more power to you. But your fitness is like The Slight Edge - a total of a lot of seemingly small decisions that have no apparent impact at the moment you make them but their cumulative effect over time determines whether you succeed or fail. So if you want to eat a Pop Tart, go ahead - but I'd never pretend it was "food" that was going past my lips, or that it in any way is going to contribute to my well-being and in fact is a setback I could have avoided.
A setback? 200 calories is a setback? Really? If you truly believe that then I'd be among those labeling you as food phobic.
Go check out the diary of the poster who called me "orthorexic". It's nothing but setbacks - which is her choice, but I don't need to be called names by a member whose "logging" is more horror story than chronicle of progress.
I didn't look at her diary, but I see she has lost 62 pounds.0 -
Ewww....gross...neither. But glad they exist for others to be happy with.
Personally, I like toasted English muffins with butter and jam! Mmmm....now we are talking!0 -
Pop Tarts aren't a drink, and correlation does not equal causation.
If you want to keep rationalizing your dietary choices, I'm not going to burst your bubble. But results speak for themselves.
It's rational to eat food. It's irrational to suggest that food never be eaten. I do agree that results speak for themselves. I'm proud of my successes!
The point about the drink is that liquid sugar hits your system quicker. Diabetics are advised to avoid sugary drinks, including fresh juices, unless their blood sugar is too low, in which case a glass of OJ is the perfect remedy.
What I refuse to do is to excuse your apparent orthorexia.
oh hell no...
Are you sad that I left you out, Coach? :laugh:0 -
ETA: Quote from Eric Helms, who has his Master in Sports Management, is currently getting his PhD in Sports Nutrition and is a pro natural body builder and power lifter: "Once our nutrient needs are met, we don’t get extra credit for eating more nutritious food!"
Brilliant! That's getting cross-posted to my Facebook! :drinker:0 -
Second, I've found by a quick perusal of the responses to my post that most ( most , but not all ) of the greatest defenders of garbage like Pop Tarts are those who are farthest from reaching their goal.
1. I don't find that to be true at all but it's an easy statement to throw out there without substantiating, so I can see why you'd try it.
Because the most vociferous Pop Tart defenders here (there are two, one of whom called me "orthorexic" and the other who said I was a member of cult and "food phobic", and they know who they are - you can read back if you're curious) are both in the camp of being far from goal. If you want some substantiation, dig a little.
But if they have hit their minimum protein and fat targets, and still have some calories left to have a pop-tart, why is it a problem?
People aren't eating 100% pop-tarts, they are eating pop-tarts as part of an otherwise healthy diet.
Just like you did with your dessert today.
THAT isn't the problem. What you suggested is totally fine. The problem is those same people demeaning folks who choose to eat "clean", while wearing a pop tart as a badge of honor.
I think "wearing a pop-tart as a badge of honor" is commendable in a world where people vilify food and become absolutely obsessed with "eating clean" at the expense of their mental/emotional well being. So I say--wearing the badge of honor beats the heck out of fearing ANY food.0 -
My favorite Pop Tart is no longer made, so Toaster Strudels.
That's too bad! You did say which flavor though. Now I'm curious!0 -
Second, I've found by a quick perusal of the responses to my post that most ( most , but not all ) of the greatest defenders of garbage like Pop Tarts are those who are farthest from reaching their goal.
Defenders of pop-tarts, eh? So, anyone who happens to like them more than toaster strudels is likely further from their goal than who--is that what a "defender of pop tarts" is? Or is liking either one (pop-tarts OR toaster strudels) an indication that you're far from goal? In either case it is completely absurd to suggest such a thing.
Thank God I chose Toaster Strudel for my favorite! (Thank You, Jesus, for whomever that was that came up with the idea for a ready-made strudel with gooey icing that can be kept in the freezer and heated when ready.. Amen.)0 -
The obvious winner is Toaster Strudel, 9 pages to get to this? Wow..Its not even a ?0
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The obvious winner is Toaster Strudel, 9 pages to get to this? Wow..Its not even a ?
Thuuuuuuuuuuuhank you.0 -
I never SAID it was a problem - I said that Pop-Tarts and Toaster Strudel are garbage, nothing but a sugar and fat delivery system. If that's what you want to eat, more power to you. But your fitness is like The Slight Edge - a total of a lot of seemingly small decisions that have no apparent impact at the moment you make them but their cumulative effect over time determines whether you succeed or fail. So if you want to eat a Pop Tart, go ahead - but I'd never pretend it was "food" that was going past my lips, or that it in any way is going to contribute to my well-being and in fact is a setback I could have avoided.
A setback? 200 calories is a setback? Really? If you truly believe that then I'd be among those labeling you as food phobic.
Go check out the diary of the poster who called me "orthorexic". It's nothing but setbacks - which is her choice, but I don't need to be called names by a member whose "logging" is more horror story than chronicle of progress.
Yep. That'd be me! Please feel free to peruse my public diary and see just how wrong you are! I am more than halfway to my goal weight and very proud of myself. My family and friends are amazed at my dedication and the amount of knowledge on nutrition that I've acquired.
I abso-frickin-lutely *LOVE* it when people like you check my diary. Though you won't find a single PopTart or Toaster Strudel logged, there are many, many yummy substitutes. I don't buy many pre-packaged foods anymore. I tend to make my own desserts now, like the yummy cream cheese sugar cookies with decorative buttercream icing that you will see in my current profile picture.
I'm so happy to learn that you find my food diary a "horror story." I would probably say the same of yours if you were brave enough to make yours public! :flowerforyou:
ETA: Setbacks? Not a single one, just living life and LOVING it! :bigsmile: :smokin:0 -
Can I suggest baklava? Basically the otherside of the world's version of a strudel.
If I could find a way to make my Baklava low calorie I would be in heaven..I miss it so much..sigh
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Strudel all the way...that warm flaky crust....the frosting alone beats out poptarts. But, I never have either in the house lol0
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Second, I've found by a quick perusal of the responses to my post that most ( most , but not all ) of the greatest defenders of garbage like Pop Tarts are those who are farthest from reaching their goal.
1. I don't find that to be true at all but it's an easy statement to throw out there without substantiating, so I can see why you'd try it.
Because the most vociferous Pop Tart defenders here (there are two, one of whom called me "orthorexic" and the other who said I was a member of cult and "food phobic", and they know who they are - you can read back if you're curious) are both in the camp of being far from goal. If you want some substantiation, dig a little.
But if they have hit their minimum protein and fat targets, and still have some calories left to have a pop-tart, why is it a problem?
People aren't eating 100% pop-tarts, they are eating pop-tarts as part of an otherwise healthy diet.
Just like you did with your dessert today.
THAT isn't the problem. What you suggested is totally fine. The problem is those same people demeaning folks who choose to eat "clean", while wearing a pop tart as a badge of honor.
I think "wearing a pop-tart as a badge of honor" is commendable in a world where people vilify food and become absolutely obsessed with "eating clean" at the expense of their mental/emotional well being. So I say--wearing the badge of honor beats the heck out of fearing ANY food.
i hate to break the fourth wall and have to explain that Pop Tarts are really just a metaphor on all of these threads, but i will.
it's not about Pop Tarts really. it's about all foods. any diet that restricts food choices for reasons other than medical is going to get push back from me, and people like me. food is fuel. no more, no less. what matters is getting adequate micro- and macro-nutrients. so long as you do that, you can eat whatever you want doing that. that could be a Pop Tart, or ice cream, or spaghetti, or croissants, or whatever.
people who unnecessarily restrict their diets are less likely to meet their goals and stay at those goals if/when they reach them. they will also find meeting those goals very frustrating having to remember and apply a whole checklist of rules to every food choice they make.
in the engineering world, there is a maxim that every engineer knows. it's KISS and that stands for Keep It Simple Stupid. it's a reminder to not overly complicate your problem or solution.
so although these threads are about Pop Tarts superficially, they really don't have anything to do with Pop Tarts. Pop Tarts are just a convenient placeholder for ANY food that anyone determines should not be eaten for any non-medical reason. of course, if you don't like the taste of something, nobody is going to give you a hard time for that. for me, that's black licorice and a few other foods.
there are dedicated true-believers in the idea that certain foods cannot and should not be eaten. some of them have posted on this thread. what they might not understand is that the points i'm making (and i presume others as well) are not aimed at them. their minds are made up. but there are lots of lurkers reading this thread who are not posting. my opinions are aimed at them. i just want them to know that just because someone told them "Pop Tarts" are bad for them and should not be eaten, that isn't the truth. likewise, you don't need to only eat what so-called cavemen ate either. you can choose to understand dieting and fitness at a higher level of abstraction and simply focus on the nutrients in food, rather than the actual food itself, and get to your fitness and health goals. IIFYM is the top level philosophy under which ALL successful healthy diet plans fall. it's the concepts of IIFYM that make those plans work, even if the plans themselves are sold to consumers in such a way as to obfuscate that fact.
eat clean. eat paleo. eat primal. at the end of the day it's still your decision. however, if you do those diets successfully, you are actually just following IIFYM with the addition of unnecessary food restrictions. for me, and many others, IIFYM is more than adequate and i don't implement any food restrictions, other than excluding foods i don't like (black licorice) or foods i can't easily digest (dairy with lactose).
back to the OP's question, i believe i have already weighed in, but would re-iterate that Pop Tarts win for convenience and nostalgia.0 -
Good points, Winner.
GoKaleo calls them "food villains." I really dislike it when people villify certain foods, whether it be sugar or wheat or bananas or potatoes, as the REASON or CAUSE of their obesity. Apart from an allergy or intolerance, there is nothing good or bad in the foods themselves.
Again, GoKaleo says it better in her own words:
"You can eliminate every Food Villain in the world (and there are certainly good reasons to eliminate some of them!) but even if all you eat is organic kale and coconut oil, if you ignore the primary drivers, physical activity and energy balance, you will never totally overcome your problems. Likewise, if you optimize your physical activity and correct your energy imbalance, you will be surprised at how harmless most of the Food Villains you’ve been living in fear of become. A person with healthy metabolic function can pretty much eat whatever they want and remain healthy. Food Villains, by and large, only become problematic once metabolic function has been compromised. Metabolic function is compromised by inactivity and energy imbalance, not by Food Villains. Eliminating Food Villains treats the symptoms of metabolic dysfunction, not the cause. The cause is inactivity and energy imbalance."0 -
THAT isn't the problem. What you suggested is totally fine. The problem is those same people demeaning folks who choose to eat "clean", while wearing a pop tart as a badge of honor.
I would agree with you in almost any other thread.... this was obviously a light-hearted, for funsies thread that was hijacked by pretentious comments intentionally designed to start debate. In the words of my 7 year old: "HE STARTED IT!!!!" :laugh:0 -
Can I suggest baklava? Basically the otherside of the world's version of a strudel.
If I could find a way to make my Baklava low calorie I would be in heaven..I miss it so much..sigh
Make it. Cut it up into reasonable servings. freeze the individuals and plan it into your day once in awhile.... why deny?0 -
When I used to eat the crap...AGES ago - Toaster Strudel all the way. Now? Eat neither, go for good WHOLESOME food instead - there's even some that can be done when the power goes out for those of you who think pop tarts a good choice for power outages.
Both are full of crap tbh so eat in moderation if you want one...0 -
When I used to eat the crap...AGES ago - Toaster Strudel all the way. Now? Eat neither, go for good WHOLESOME food instead - there's even some that can be done when the power goes out for those of you who think pop tarts a good choice for power outages.
Both are full of crap tbh so eat in moderation if you want one...
I would rather build my own fire to cook a Toaster Strudel in the event of a power outage than eat a Pop Tart.
By my count, Toaster Strudel has won a sweeping victory of deliciousness.
Disclaimer: I did not count the votes.0
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