Another (potential) strike against red meat
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I didn't realize you put money on the line.
Yawn.
Seriously dude. You're claiming that all acid reflux can be 100% "cured" by natural remedies.
aw see you added the word "all" to make it sound like a more outlandish statement.
however, more often than not, acid reflux can be 100% cured by natural remedies. pharmaceutical treatments have a 0% cure rate.
do you have proof to the contrary? I've shown you my particular case. do you want me to point you to further examples and resources? because I can. I didn't just make this theory up.
Acid reflux can be cured 100% with natural remedies!*
*only some of it can
acid reflux can be cured 100% with natural remedies. nowhere did I say there's a 100% cure rate. twisting my words, cutie.
what's the pharmaceutical cure rate?0 -
It does amuse me a little that the very same people who, in a fitness related thread, will be banging on about the importance of 'evidence' and 'research' dismiss 'evidence' and 'research' without any thought or argument, when it doesn't fit with their particular view on the world.
I don't care who does and doesn't eat read meat, for the record. But the dodgy logic on this thread entertains me.
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So what was the point if this thread? All I see are people crying about meat?
The point was to share information from a recent nutrition study.0 -
Red meat = Paradise : I don't care about the article. Cows will die and I will eat them! Feast on glorious beef!
The article doesn't care about you either.0 -
So what was the point if this thread? All I see are people crying about meat?
And your contributions have added what of use?
about the same as your post just did lol0 -
The inter-relationships between vegetarianism and eating disorders among females.
Bardone-Cone AM, Fitzsimmons-Craft EE, Harney MB, Maldonado CR, Lawson MA, Smith R, Robinson DP.
SourceDepartment of Psychology, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, NC 27599, USA. bardonecone@unc.edu
Abstract
When individuals with a suspected or diagnosed eating disorder adopt a vegetarian diet, health care professionals might worry that this choice could function as a socially acceptable way to legitimize food avoidance. Yet only limited research has examined vegetarianism in relation to eating disorders. Our study objectives were to compare individuals with and without an eating disorder history and individuals at different stages of eating disorder recovery on past and current vegetarianism and motivations for and age at becoming vegetarian. Participants were females seen at some point for an eating disorder (n=93) and controls who never had an eating disorder (n=67). Recruitment and data collection for this cross-sectional study occurred in 2007-2008. χ(2) analyses and analyses of variance and covariance were used to examine the research questions. Compared with controls, individuals with an eating disorder history were considerably more likely to ever have been vegetarian (52% vs 12%; P<0.001), to be currently vegetarian (24% vs 6%; P<0.01), and to be primarily motivated by weight-related reasons (42% vs 0%; P<0.05). The three recovery status groups (fully recovered, partially recovered, and active eating disorder) did not differ significantly in percentiles endorsing a history of vegetarianism or weight-related reasons as primary, but they differed significantly in current vegetarianism (33% of active cases, 13% of partially recovered, 5% of fully recovered; P<0.05). Most perceived that their vegetarianism was related to their eating disorder (68%) and emerged after its onset. Results shed light on the vegetarianism-eating disorders relation and suggest intervention considerations for clinicians (eg, investigating motives for vegetarianism).0 -
I don't remember the study or the exact amount, but I read that the amount of red meat needed to cause such issues was quite high. I definitely remember the amount being higher than the amount of meat my carnivorous boyfriend eats in an entire day.
Well yes, surely one would not expect one day of eating red meat (or anything else) to have lasting health consequences. It's nearly always a pattern of eating over time that has consequences.
Actually one meal of red meat causes damage to our bodies. Our bodies try to heal from it (takes 6 hours) but we're consuming it again before it gets the chance. Thus the damage over time (long time) causes cancer and heart disease. This has been studied extensively. A great nutrition website that is not paid for by big corporations (is trustworthy and nonprofit) is THE PHYSICIANS COMMITTEE FOR RESPONSIBLE MEDICINE. Their site is pcrm.org. Another is nutrtitionfacts.org0 -
If you put gravy over your red meat that will protect you from EVERYTHING.0
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The inter-relationships between vegetarianism and eating disorders among females.
Bardone-Cone AM, Fitzsimmons-Craft EE, Harney MB, Maldonado CR, Lawson MA, Smith R, Robinson DP.
SourceDepartment of Psychology, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, NC 27599, USA. bardonecone@unc.edu
Abstract
When individuals with a suspected or diagnosed eating disorder adopt a vegetarian diet, health care professionals might worry that this choice could function as a socially acceptable way to legitimize food avoidance. Yet only limited research has examined vegetarianism in relation to eating disorders. Our study objectives were to compare individuals with and without an eating disorder history and individuals at different stages of eating disorder recovery on past and current vegetarianism and motivations for and age at becoming vegetarian. Participants were females seen at some point for an eating disorder (n=93) and controls who never had an eating disorder (n=67). Recruitment and data collection for this cross-sectional study occurred in 2007-2008. χ(2) analyses and analyses of variance and covariance were used to examine the research questions. Compared with controls, individuals with an eating disorder history were considerably more likely to ever have been vegetarian (52% vs 12%; P<0.001), to be currently vegetarian (24% vs 6%; P<0.01), and to be primarily motivated by weight-related reasons (42% vs 0%; P<0.05). The three recovery status groups (fully recovered, partially recovered, and active eating disorder) did not differ significantly in percentiles endorsing a history of vegetarianism or weight-related reasons as primary, but they differed significantly in current vegetarianism (33% of active cases, 13% of partially recovered, 5% of fully recovered; P<0.05). Most perceived that their vegetarianism was related to their eating disorder (68%) and emerged after its onset. Results shed light on the vegetarianism-eating disorders relation and suggest intervention considerations for clinicians (eg, investigating motives for vegetarianism).
really? this isn't even a thread about vegetarianism. what are you insinuating?0 -
If you put gravy over your red meat that will protect you from EVERYTHING.
True story0 -
I don't remember the study or the exact amount, but I read that the amount of red meat needed to cause such issues was quite high. I definitely remember the amount being higher than the amount of meat my carnivorous boyfriend eats in an entire day.
Well yes, surely one would not expect one day of eating red meat (or anything else) to have lasting health consequences. It's nearly always a pattern of eating over time that has consequences.
Actually one meal of red meat causes damage to our bodies. Our bodies try to heal from it (takes 6 hours) but we're consuming it again before it gets the chance. Thus the damage over time (long time) causes cancer and heart disease. This has been studied extensively. A great nutrition website that is not paid for by big corporations (is trustworthy and nonprofit) is THE PHYSICIANS COMMITTEE FOR RESPONSIBLE MEDICINE. Their site is pcrm.org. Another is nutrtitionfacts.org
One meal causes what kind of damage, exactly?0 -
The inter-relationships between vegetarianism and eating disorders among females.
Bardone-Cone AM, Fitzsimmons-Craft EE, Harney MB, Maldonado CR, Lawson MA, Smith R, Robinson DP.
SourceDepartment of Psychology, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, NC 27599, USA. bardonecone@unc.edu
Abstract
When individuals with a suspected or diagnosed eating disorder adopt a vegetarian diet, health care professionals might worry that this choice could function as a socially acceptable way to legitimize food avoidance. Yet only limited research has examined vegetarianism in relation to eating disorders. Our study objectives were to compare individuals with and without an eating disorder history and individuals at different stages of eating disorder recovery on past and current vegetarianism and motivations for and age at becoming vegetarian. Participants were females seen at some point for an eating disorder (n=93) and controls who never had an eating disorder (n=67). Recruitment and data collection for this cross-sectional study occurred in 2007-2008. χ(2) analyses and analyses of variance and covariance were used to examine the research questions. Compared with controls, individuals with an eating disorder history were considerably more likely to ever have been vegetarian (52% vs 12%; P<0.001), to be currently vegetarian (24% vs 6%; P<0.01), and to be primarily motivated by weight-related reasons (42% vs 0%; P<0.05). The three recovery status groups (fully recovered, partially recovered, and active eating disorder) did not differ significantly in percentiles endorsing a history of vegetarianism or weight-related reasons as primary, but they differed significantly in current vegetarianism (33% of active cases, 13% of partially recovered, 5% of fully recovered; P<0.05). Most perceived that their vegetarianism was related to their eating disorder (68%) and emerged after its onset. Results shed light on the vegetarianism-eating disorders relation and suggest intervention considerations for clinicians (eg, investigating motives for vegetarianism).
This thread is not about eating disorders or vegetarianism so this is way off topic. Did you post to the wrong thread?0 -
This thread is not about eating disorders or vegetarianism so this is way off topic. Did you post to the wrong thread?
you expected useful discourse in a thread titled with an obvious agenda?0 -
This thread is not about eating disorders or vegetarianism so this is way off topic. Did you post to the wrong thread?
you expected useful discourse in a thread titled with an obvious agenda?
Oh, you are one of those that doesn't read past the headline. Carry on then.0 -
The inter-relationships between vegetarianism and eating disorders among females.
Bardone-Cone AM, Fitzsimmons-Craft EE, Harney MB, Maldonado CR, Lawson MA, Smith R, Robinson DP.
SourceDepartment of Psychology, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, NC 27599, USA. bardonecone@unc.edu
Abstract
When individuals with a suspected or diagnosed eating disorder adopt a vegetarian diet, health care professionals might worry that this choice could function as a socially acceptable way to legitimize food avoidance. Yet only limited research has examined vegetarianism in relation to eating disorders. Our study objectives were to compare individuals with and without an eating disorder history and individuals at different stages of eating disorder recovery on past and current vegetarianism and motivations for and age at becoming vegetarian. Participants were females seen at some point for an eating disorder (n=93) and controls who never had an eating disorder (n=67). Recsruitment and data collection for this cross-sectional study occurred in 2007-2008. χ(2) analyses and analyses of variance and covariance were used to examine the research questions. Compared with controls, individuals with an eating disorder history were considerably more likely to ever have been vegetarian (52% vs 12%; P<0.001), to be currently vegetarian (24% vs 6%; P<0.01), and to be primarily motivated by weight-related reasons (42% vs 0%; P<0.05). The three recovery status groups (fully recovered, partially recovered, and active eating disorder) did not differ significantly in percentiles endorsing a history of vegetarianism or weight-related reasons as primary, but they differed significantly in current vegetarianism (33% of active cases, 13% of partially recovered, 5% of fully recovered; P<0.05). Most perceived that their vegetarianism was related to their eating disorder (68%) and emerged after its onset. Results shed light on the vegetarianism-eating disorders relation and suggest intervention considerations for clinicians (eg, investigating motives for vegetarianism).
really? this isn't even a thread about vegetarianism. what are you insinuating?
It's about your reflux.0 -
The inter-relationships between vegetarianism and eating disorders among females.
Bardone-Cone AM, Fitzsimmons-Craft EE, Harney MB, Maldonado CR, Lawson MA, Smith R, Robinson DP.
SourceDepartment of Psychology, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, NC 27599, USA. bardonecone@unc.edu
Abstract
When individuals with a suspected or diagnosed eating disorder adopt a vegetarian diet, health care professionals might worry that this choice could function as a socially acceptable way to legitimize food avoidance. Yet only limited research has examined vegetarianism in relation to eating disorders. Our study objectives were to compare individuals with and without an eating disorder history and individuals at different stages of eating disorder recovery on past and current vegetarianism and motivations for and age at becoming vegetarian. Participants were females seen at some point for an eating disorder (n=93) and controls who never had an eating disorder (n=67). Recsruitment and data collection for this cross-sectional study occurred in 2007-2008. χ(2) analyses and analyses of variance and covariance were used to examine the research questions. Compared with controls, individuals with an eating disorder history were considerably more likely to ever have been vegetarian (52% vs 12%; P<0.001), to be currently vegetarian (24% vs 6%; P<0.01), and to be primarily motivated by weight-related reasons (42% vs 0%; P<0.05). The three recovery status groups (fully recovered, partially recovered, and active eating disorder) did not differ significantly in percentiles endorsing a history of vegetarianism or weight-related reasons as primary, but they differed significantly in current vegetarianism (33% of active cases, 13% of partially recovered, 5% of fully recovered; P<0.05). Most perceived that their vegetarianism was related to their eating disorder (68%) and emerged after its onset. Results shed light on the vegetarianism-eating disorders relation and suggest intervention considerations for clinicians (eg, investigating motives for vegetarianism).
really? this isn't even a thread about vegetarianism. what are you insinuating?
It's about your reflux.
sorry i had to school y'all on that. :laugh:0 -
The inter-relationships between vegetarianism and eating disorders among females.
Bardone-Cone AM, Fitzsimmons-Craft EE, Harney MB, Maldonado CR, Lawson MA, Smith R, Robinson DP.
SourceDepartment of Psychology, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, NC 27599, USA. bardonecone@unc.edu
Abstract
When individuals with a suspected or diagnosed eating disorder adopt a vegetarian diet, health care professionals might worry that this choice could function as a socially acceptable way to legitimize food avoidance. Yet only limited research has examined vegetarianism in relation to eating disorders. Our study objectives were to compare individuals with and without an eating disorder history and individuals at different stages of eating disorder recovery on past and current vegetarianism and motivations for and age at becoming vegetarian. Participants were females seen at some point for an eating disorder (n=93) and controls who never had an eating disorder (n=67). Recsruitment and data collection for this cross-sectional study occurred in 2007-2008. χ(2) analyses and analyses of variance and covariance were used to examine the research questions. Compared with controls, individuals with an eating disorder history were considerably more likely to ever have been vegetarian (52% vs 12%; P<0.001), to be currently vegetarian (24% vs 6%; P<0.01), and to be primarily motivated by weight-related reasons (42% vs 0%; P<0.05). The three recovery status groups (fully recovered, partially recovered, and active eating disorder) did not differ significantly in percentiles endorsing a history of vegetarianism or weight-related reasons as primary, but they differed significantly in current vegetarianism (33% of active cases, 13% of partially recovered, 5% of fully recovered; P<0.05). Most perceived that their vegetarianism was related to their eating disorder (68%) and emerged after its onset. Results shed light on the vegetarianism-eating disorders relation and suggest intervention considerations for clinicians (eg, investigating motives for vegetarianism).
really? this isn't even a thread about vegetarianism. what are you insinuating?
It's about your reflux.
sorry i had to school y'all on that. :laugh:
. I wasn't in your stomach content discussion. I hope you are over the issue, must suck. Are you now cured?0 -
The inter-relationships between vegetarianism and eating disorders among females.
Bardone-Cone AM, Fitzsimmons-Craft EE, Harney MB, Maldonado CR, Lawson MA, Smith R, Robinson DP.
SourceDepartment of Psychology, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, NC 27599, USA. bardonecone@unc.edu
Abstract
When individuals with a suspected or diagnosed eating disorder adopt a vegetarian diet, health care professionals might worry that this choice could function as a socially acceptable way to legitimize food avoidance. Yet only limited research has examined vegetarianism in relation to eating disorders. Our study objectives were to compare individuals with and without an eating disorder history and individuals at different stages of eating disorder recovery on past and current vegetarianism and motivations for and age at becoming vegetarian. Participants were females seen at some point for an eating disorder (n=93) and controls who never had an eating disorder (n=67). Recsruitment and data collection for this cross-sectional study occurred in 2007-2008. χ(2) analyses and analyses of variance and covariance were used to examine the research questions. Compared with controls, individuals with an eating disorder history were considerably more likely to ever have been vegetarian (52% vs 12%; P<0.001), to be currently vegetarian (24% vs 6%; P<0.01), and to be primarily motivated by weight-related reasons (42% vs 0%; P<0.05). The three recovery status groups (fully recovered, partially recovered, and active eating disorder) did not differ significantly in percentiles endorsing a history of vegetarianism or weight-related reasons as primary, but they differed significantly in current vegetarianism (33% of active cases, 13% of partially recovered, 5% of fully recovered; P<0.05). Most perceived that their vegetarianism was related to their eating disorder (68%) and emerged after its onset. Results shed light on the vegetarianism-eating disorders relation and suggest intervention considerations for clinicians (eg, investigating motives for vegetarianism).
really? this isn't even a thread about vegetarianism. what are you insinuating?
It's about your reflux.
sorry i had to school y'all on that. :laugh:
. I wasn't in your stomach content discussion. I hope you are over the issue, must suck. Are you now cured?
yeah man. laryngeal tissue takes forever to heal since it's constantly being used in speaking, so it's still not perfect, but i no longer get any reflux and I no longer have to avoid any foods. PPIs for over a year couldn't do that for me, but the holistic approach fixed everything in a span of a month or two.0 -
Commie propaganda.
This.0 -
That's a vegan website where physicians of the American Medical Association are trying to distance themselves from.......lolI don't remember the study or the exact amount, but I read that the amount of red meat needed to cause such issues was quite high. I definitely remember the amount being higher than the amount of meat my carnivorous boyfriend eats in an entire day.
Well yes, surely one would not expect one day of eating red meat (or anything else) to have lasting health consequences. It's nearly always a pattern of eating over time that has consequences.
Actually one meal of red meat causes damage to our bodies. Our bodies try to heal from it (takes 6 hours) but we're consuming it again before it gets the chance. Thus the damage over time (long time) causes cancer and heart disease. This has been studied extensively. A great nutrition website that is not paid for by big corporations (is trustworthy and nonprofit) is THE PHYSICIANS COMMITTEE FOR RESPONSIBLE MEDICINE. Their site is pcrm.org. Another is nutrtitionfacts.org0 -
Actually one meal of red meat causes damage to our bodies. Our bodies try to heal from it (takes 6 hours) but we're consuming it again before it gets the chance. Thus the damage over time (long time) causes cancer and heart disease. This has been studied extensively. A great nutrition website that is not paid for by big corporations (is trustworthy and nonprofit) is THE PHYSICIANS COMMITTEE FOR RESPONSIBLE MEDICINE. Their site is pcrm.org. Another is nutrtitionfacts.org
So, which is it? One meal, or multiple meals? Or are you just spouting nonsense?
PCRM? lololololololololololol0 -
I'm going to choose nonsense. What do I win?Actually one meal of red meat causes damage to our bodies. Our bodies try to heal from it (takes 6 hours) but we're consuming it again before it gets the chance. Thus the damage over time (long time) causes cancer and heart disease. This has been studied extensively. A great nutrition website that is not paid for by big corporations (is trustworthy and nonprofit) is THE PHYSICIANS COMMITTEE FOR RESPONSIBLE MEDICINE. Their site is pcrm.org. Another is nutrtitionfacts.org
So, which is it? One meal, or multiple meals? Or are you just spouting nonsense?
PCRM? lololololololololololol
and PCRM...what a joke.0 -
I saw this on the news to.... I am vegetarian Monday through Friday lol so I thought I was in the clear with this one. But then I saw the vita pak I am using from GNC has one entire pill just for carnitine.... hmmmmmm. So apparently I am taking a giant dose of carnitine in spite of being predominantly meatless and about 95% red meatless. Yeeks.0
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I'm going to choose nonsense. What do I win?Actually one meal of red meat causes damage to our bodies. Our bodies try to heal from it (takes 6 hours) but we're consuming it again before it gets the chance. Thus the damage over time (long time) causes cancer and heart disease. This has been studied extensively. A great nutrition website that is not paid for by big corporations (is trustworthy and nonprofit) is THE PHYSICIANS COMMITTEE FOR RESPONSIBLE MEDICINE. Their site is pcrm.org. Another is nutrtitionfacts.org
So, which is it? One meal, or multiple meals? Or are you just spouting nonsense?
PCRM? lololololololololololol
and PCRM...what a joke.
It's obviously nonsense.
"...but we're consuming it again before ..." Just the assumption that "we" are all comsuming red meat with even close to the same regularity is nonsense.0 -
Bacon is not red meat. Pork is the other white meat.0
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Bacon is still better.
Bacon is red meat.
I thought pork was the other white meat?0 -
I will still eat burgers and steaks! NO one will live forever so might as well die well. lol.0
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Bacon is not red meat. Pork is the other white meat.
If you ask the pork council marketing department it is. But try asking most nutrition experts.
But white or red, the disease risk association with processed meats is even stronger than with unprocessed red meat.0 -
Please research further.
Here are the pros and cons:
PROS:
Combat kidney disease (Wei Huang, et al, (October 1999). "Carnitine transport and its inhibition by sulfonylureas in human kidney proximal tubular epithelial cells". Biochemical Pharmacology 58 (8) )
Combat male infertility ( Lenzi A, et al., (2003). "Use of carnitine therapy in selected cases of male factor infertility: a double-blind crossover trial". Fertility and Sterility 79)
Combat asthma ("L-Carnitine Improves the Asthma Control in Children with Moderate Persistent Asthma". J Allergy. 2012.)
Reduce fatigue resulting from chemotherapy: (Graziano, F, et al. (2002). "Potential role of levocarnitine supplementation for the treatment of chemotherapy-induced fatigue in non-anaemic cancer patients". British journal of cancer 86)
Treat symptoms of hypothyroidism: (Benvenga, Salvatore; et al (2004). "Effects of Carnitine on Thyroid Hormone Action". Ann. N.Y. Acad. Sci. 1033)
Slowing reduction in bone density due to osteoperosis: (Claudio Cavazza, Composition for the Prevention and Treatment of Osteoporosis due to Menopause Syndrome (2002) )
Cons:
Potential link to artherosclerosis: (Koeth, Robert; et al (2013). "Intestinal microbiota metabolism of L-carnitine, a nutrient in red meat, promotes atherosclerosis". Nature Medicine.)
...I'd say all-in-all, moderation is key (just like anything else). Oh, and Wikipedia can be useful if used properly
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