Running. An avoidance behavior?
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I'm not trying to dim anyone's candle I'm just trying to get people to deal with their problems head on!
Instead of people having a calm and rational discussion everyone wants to attack me!
No-one's attacking you. They just don't agree with what you're saying, and I think this thread is quite calm and rational.
I don't even run. I lift weights. I just don't agree with what you're saying.
As I said earlier, I disagree with the OP, but he is being savagely attacked for simply expressing his beliefs - and we're all different, maybe running all day and doing no resistance training is right for you, but it's not for OP, and we don't need an entire forum full of people tearing him to shreds because of PERSONAL biases.0 -
I mean look at marathon training for example. A marathon was started because some French aristocrat wanted to celebrate a Greek messenger named Pheidippides. So basically, rather than celebrating the actual soldiers for fighting in The Battle of Marathon they celebrate some messenger who runs 28 miles away from the battle only to collapse and die a failure and a coward.
May need a better example than this. Pheidippides was a messenger from Athens who was ORDERED to make the run to Sparta to request for reinforcements for the incoming battle with the Persians. His run took him a day, arriving the very next day. Seeing how the Spartans and Athenians were on shakey relations, I'd say he had some serious guts to make the run alone into Sparta to make the request. The end result of that was the fact Pheidippides did NOT die, and the Spartans moved at a hastened pace to Athens, which got them there in time to see the Persian ships turn around and leave, ensuring the Athenian victory.
Secondly, if we're going off the -myth- side, which you are actually refering too. Pheidippides was sent from Athens AFTER the Battle to declare victory to the Spartans. Pheidippides, again, was ordered to make the run, he didn't run a coward from the fight. And in all haste, arrived in Sparta with amazing speed, dying on the spot after delivering word of Athenian victory.
Might wanna do some more digging in history before you run an example like that.0 -
Exactly. There are people refuting with facts, but those are being ignored by OP. I mentioned in my first post in this thread, I believe in a combined fitness routine of cardio and strength, but I think it's ignorant to say that one of the two is wrong and shouldn't be done.I'm not trying to dim anyone's candle I'm just trying to get people to deal with their problems head on!
Instead of people having a calm and rational discussion everyone wants to attack me!
No-one's attacking you. They just don't agree with what you're saying, and I think this thread is quite calm and rational.
I don't even run. I lift weights. I just don't agree with what you're saying.
Also, where's the censoring talk?0 -
I'm not trying to dim anyone's candle I'm just trying to get people to deal with their problems head on!
Instead of people having a calm and rational discussion everyone wants to attack me!
No-one's attacking you. They just don't agree with what you're saying, and I think this thread is quite calm and rational.
I don't even run. I lift weights. I just don't agree with what you're saying.
All I'm saying is that perhaps people have an unhealthy attatchment to running and the fact that people are getting so worked up over it makes me think that they're may indeed be something there.
I just think that psychologically speaking, lifting weights encourages a more 'head on' approach to life where as running promotes a more 'run and hide from your problems mentality.0 -
Well only one is going to help you if you are trying to get away from zombies
Or if you get into a little trouble
Or time traveling
well maybe if you need to bust up a chair, then weight lifting would help.
Lmao!
I love lifting but I do get in some cardio too. I'm hoping to get the nerve to start running a couple times a week, but for now, I just do the elliptical. I want to cover all my bases, which includes out running the zombie horde.0 -
I'm not trying to dim anyone's candle I'm just trying to get people to deal with their problems head on!
Instead of people having a calm and rational discussion everyone wants to attack me!
No-one's attacking you. They just don't agree with what you're saying, and I think this thread is quite calm and rational.
I don't even run. I lift weights. I just don't agree with what you're saying.
As I said earlier, I disagree with the OP, but he is being savagely attacked for simply expressing his beliefs - and we're all different, maybe running all day and doing no resistance training is right for you, but it's not for OP, and we don't need an entire forum full of people tearing him to shreds because of PERSONAL biases.
he's being hunted down like a deer being chased for miles and miles and miles and miles by a pack of Homo erectuses0 -
Woah woah woah. Come on now, everybody. While I deeply disagree with the original poster's assertions, I would KILL OR DIE for his right to express them. Let's cool down all the censorship talk. This is a support website!
He IS expressing his opinion. You don't have to offer yourself up on the alter for his OP.0 -
I don't know if this has been thrown in there, 'cause to be honest I didn't read the whole thing.
I want to know where hill sprints fit into this brave new classification system?0 -
I lift weights and I run. It doesn't have anything to do with dealing with problems head on or running away from them. Any good fitness regimen is going to include cardio and strength...I prefer running for my cardio...I was a track athlete growing up, so I like running...I like lifting heavy things and putting them down too. I don't see what the problem is with doing both. Cardio to strengthen your heart and cardiovascular system and weights to strengthen your body. No biggie.0
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he's being hunted down like a deer being chased for miles and miles and miles and miles by a pack of Homo erectuses
EXACTLY! Finally someone gets it. I have a mental image of this poor fellow on the wifi at a starbucks with everyone looking down at him with concern, as he whimpers and cowers from the relentless assault that you lot are delivering.
Even folks like this who try to act like the voice of reason:
Just another blow on OP's back. THIS MADNESS MUST STOP.He IS expressing his opinion. You don't have to offer yourself up on the alter for his OP.0 -
I mean look at marathon training for example. A marathon was started because some French aristocrat wanted to celebrate a Greek messenger named Pheidippides. So basically, rather than celebrating the actual soldiers for fighting in The Battle of Marathon they celebrate some messenger who runs 28 miles away from the battle only to collapse and die a failure and a coward.
May need a better example than this. Pheidippides was a messenger from Athens who was ORDERED to make the run to Sparta to request for reinforcements for the incoming battle with the Persians. His run took him a day, arriving the very next day. Seeing how the Spartans and Athenians were on shakey relations, I'd say he had some serious guts to make the run alone into Sparta to make the request. The end result of that was the fact Pheidippides did NOT die, and the Spartans moved at a hastened pace to Athens, which got them there in time to see the Persian ships turn around and leave, ensuring the Athenian victory.
Secondly, if we're going off the -myth- side, which you are actually refering too. Pheidippides was sent from Athens AFTER the Battle to declare victory to the Spartans. Pheidippides, again, was ordered to make the run, he didn't run a coward from the fight. And in all haste, arrived in Sparta with amazing speed, dying on the spot after delivering word of Athenian victory.
Might wanna do some more digging in history before you run an example like that.
As I said before he was ORDERED FOR A REASON.
He was simply the weakest link so they told him to go for a run.0 -
I'm not trying to dim anyone's candle I'm just trying to get people to deal with their problems head on!
Instead of people having a calm and rational discussion everyone wants to attack me!
No-one's attacking you. They just don't agree with what you're saying, and I think this thread is quite calm and rational.
I don't even run. I lift weights. I just don't agree with what you're saying.
All I'm saying is that perhaps people have an unhealthy attatchment to running and the fact that people are getting so worked up over it makes me think that they're may indeed be something there.
I just think that psychologically speaking, lifting weights encourages a more 'head on' approach to life where as running promotes a more 'run and hide from your problems mentality.
I understand what you're saying, I just think you're wrong. That is all. It's nothing personal. And no-one's getting worked up, just that there are a lot of people who like running on this forum so it's not really surprising that there are a lot of people disagreeing with you.0 -
I have no problem with expressing opinions or beliefs. I agree that everyone has their right to believe what they want and even share it if they so choose. The problem comes in when you start picking pieces of a study and try to say that your opinion is fact and refute and talk down to anyone that disagrees and points out the flaws in your "fact".I'm not trying to dim anyone's candle I'm just trying to get people to deal with their problems head on!
Instead of people having a calm and rational discussion everyone wants to attack me!
No-one's attacking you. They just don't agree with what you're saying, and I think this thread is quite calm and rational.
I don't even run. I lift weights. I just don't agree with what you're saying.
As I said earlier, I disagree with the OP, but he is being savagely attacked for simply expressing his beliefs - and we're all different, maybe running all day and doing no resistance training is right for you, but it's not for OP, and we don't need an entire forum full of people tearing him to shreds because of PERSONAL biases.0 -
Don't get me wrong. I love running. I used to run all the time. I was that guy that used to spend an hour on the treadmill everyday hoping to see results. But as I started lifting a realization occurred to me. Weightlifting puts you up close and gives the feeling of having personal close combat with your problems. Running on the other hand seems to be more about running away from your problems rather than facing them head on.
I mean look at marathon training for example. A marathon was started because some French aristocrat wanted to celebrate a Greek messenger named Pheidippides. So basically, rather than celebrating the actual soldiers for fighting in The Battle of Marathon they celebrate some messenger who runs 28 miles away from the battle only to collapse and die a failure and a coward.
The fact of the matter is that since I have started lifting I've been more focused and more determined to tackle my problems head on. I'm more assertive, more confident, and happier. In the past when I was really stressed out I would go for a run just to eliminate the stress but my problems were still there when I returned. Running was just a temporary escape from the problems of reality. Almost like how some would describe their drug use.
In fact did you know that studies have actually shown that running (particularly stationary running) causes withdrawal symptoms in mice?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19634951
'There was a direct relationship between the intensity of running and the severity of withdrawal symptoms.'
'These findings support the hypothesis that exercise-induced increases in endogenous opioid peptides act in a manner similar to chronic administration of opiate drugs.'
They didn't do a study involving mice with weight lifting but I'm sure they would've seen different results.
Bottom line is that I would encourage each and every one of you to take a good long think about the person you want to become. Do you want to be the person that runs away from his/her problems or would you rather be the type of person that stands their ground and deals with their problems? I just can't support running on the hamster wheel and running outside is just a larger rat race because we always end up right back where we started and all our problems are still there waiting for us. We can be a hero like Hercules who faced his foes head on or we can be like Pheidippides and run away from our problems till it kills us.
The choice is yours . . .
Ankle biter. Dimming another's candle doesnt make yours any brighter.
I'm not trying to dim anyone's candle I'm just trying to get people to deal with their problems head on!
Instead of people having a calm and rational discussion everyone wants to attack me!
You do know people don't like when you make them face their issues when they arent ready to, right? Maybe some of the reactions could stem from that. Or they just took your attempt to have a discussion on the research provided, in the wrong way. Someone is going to get offended no matter what lol0 -
Do you want to be the person that runs away from his/her problems or would you rather be the type of person that stands their ground and deals with their problems?
The choice is yours . . .
I hate running, but this statement and your entire screed are douchetastic.
As an aside, what's so bad about douches that any word, when attaching the word douche in front of it immediately becomes a negative. I know that they're generally recommended against these days, but why is vaginal rinsing in general such a terrible thing?0 -
Don't get me wrong. I love running. I used to run all the time. I was that guy that used to spend an hour on the treadmill everyday hoping to see results. But as I started lifting a realization occurred to me. Weightlifting puts you up close and gives the feeling of having personal close combat with your problems. Running on the other hand seems to be more about running away from your problems rather than facing them head on.
I mean look at marathon training for example. A marathon was started because some French aristocrat wanted to celebrate a Greek messenger named Pheidippides. So basically, rather than celebrating the actual soldiers for fighting in The Battle of Marathon they celebrate some messenger who runs 28 miles away from the battle only to collapse and die a failure and a coward.
The fact of the matter is that since I have started lifting I've been more focused and more determined to tackle my problems head on. I'm more assertive, more confident, and happier. In the past when I was really stressed out I would go for a run just to eliminate the stress but my problems were still there when I returned. Running was just a temporary escape from the problems of reality. Almost like how some would describe their drug use.
In fact did you know that studies have actually shown that running (particularly stationary running) causes withdrawal symptoms in mice?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19634951
'There was a direct relationship between the intensity of running and the severity of withdrawal symptoms.'
'These findings support the hypothesis that exercise-induced increases in endogenous opioid peptides act in a manner similar to chronic administration of opiate drugs.'
They didn't do a study involving mice with weight lifting but I'm sure they would've seen different results.
Bottom line is that I would encourage each and every one of you to take a good long think about the person you want to become. Do you want to be the person that runs away from his/her problems or would you rather be the type of person that stands their ground and deals with their problems? I just can't support running on the hamster wheel and running outside is just a larger rat race because we always end up right back where we started and all our problems are still there waiting for us. We can be a hero like Hercules who faced his foes head on or we can be like Pheidippides and run away from our problems till it kills us.
The choice is yours . . .
I run on the treadmill to watch the woman in fornt of me as her butt bounces up and down and sways side to side. Also, I like to look left and right, and watch the bounicng breasts. You just don't get that when you are over in the free weights area.0 -
What about those whose idea of cardio is a good wank? What does that say about how we .. uhhh they ... deal with their problems?
Personally, I think it means we ... uhhh they ... grab their problems head on, then wrestle with them until they're deflated .. uhhh defeated.0 -
I don't know if this has been thrown in there, 'cause to be honest I didn't read the whole thing.
I want to know where hill sprints fit into this brave new classification system?
It's the *kitten* child of running and lifting no one wants to acknowledge. Running gave birth to it, because as OP stated, real men aren't runners.0 -
I don't know if this has been thrown in there, 'cause to be honest I didn't read the whole thing.
I want to know where hill sprints fit into this brave new classification system?
I would say that hill sprints are a bit in the red zone. They're good but they still promote that 'flight' mentality that I'm trying desperately to warn against.
Stuff like Kettlebell ladders, Tabata body resistance intervals, stuff like that will encourage a more assertive nature.0 -
There is a whole section of psychology that deals with the body image issues that weight lifters have internalized - always feeling inadequate physically. They lift to try and compensate for their preceived short comings. Very unhealthy attachment to lifting.
For decades, women with perfect bodies have adorned the covers of fashion magazines and created an ideal that teenage girls aspired to. The obsession with the flawless body has recently crossed genders, causing men to suffer from eating disorders, consider steroid use and to have unhealthy obsessions with weightlifting, new research suggests.
"Men see these idealized, muscular men in the media and feel their own bodies don't measure up," said Tracy Tylka, the lead researcher and assistant professor of psychology at Ohio State University.
Reviewing previous studies, Tylka "found that media images of men in action toys, Playgirl centerfolds, etc., have become increasingly muscular over the last 25-30 years."
The effect was apparent when Tylka surveyed 285 college men to find out how much pressure they were under to have a muscular physique.
The more the surveyed men felt under pressure through media, friends, and family, the more they were compelled to live up to the ideals, Tylka reported Aug. 10 at the annual meeting of the American Psychological Association.
"They start to believe that the only attractive male body is a muscular one," Tylka said. "And when they internalize that belief, they judge themselves on that ideal and probably come up short, because it is not a realistic portrayal of men."
Those who felt their bodies didn't measure up to the ideal reported that they worked out so much that weight training interfered with other parts of their lives. They also took protein supplements, were likely to report eating disorder symptoms, and thought about using steroids to enhance muscle growth.
"It is good to exercise, to lift weights, and to eat the foods that make your body function well," Tylka said. But it is not good to be preoccupied with working out just to bulk up, she said. These men were not eating healthy, but cutting out major food groups like carbohydrates and consuming massive amounts of protein.
"Instead of seeing a decrease in objectification of women in society, there has just been an increase in the objectification of men. And you can see that in the media today."0 -
Fair enough.....
..... still love me some of those dirty *kitten* hill sprints though.....
I didn't read the rest, but I'm sensing a bit of the old butthurt in here......0 -
There's always going to be a study and then theres always going to be study to contradict the first study.
To each their own...whatever makes you happy: DO IT. Not everyone likes to lift and not everyone likes to run. Find what you like and run with it. (No pun intended)
^^This. There is a reason there are so many different things human beings can do with their bodies, and a reason there are so many different things human beings WANT to do different things with their bodies. OP, that's why there is such dissent on this post. If you shove a square peg into a round hole, there will be damage.
Straight up, running feels good to me. I enjoy it. A lot. It's fun for me. It gives me time to organize, solve problems, think creatively, and meditate. It brings me peace and the confidence to deal with life in this crazy-awesome world.
So please stop telling me I shouldn't be doing it. You don't know me, you don't know the awesome feeling in my legs when I've finished a glorious six miles on a Saturday morning and how ready I am afterwards to get shtuff done.
Different strokes for different folks, ya'll.0 -
Shoulds have started the Inadequacy of Lifters thread.
Sorry.0 -
moral of the story: lifting = awesome. but despite what you say and some studies you may post, i still believe in running and i still enjoy it! boom.
This. Except for the part about "enjoying" running. Because I don't. At all. Seriously. But I do it because it helped get my blood pressure down to normal and it helps keep it there.0 -
"they worked out so much that weight training interfered with other parts of their lives. They also took protein supplements, were likely to report eating disorder symptoms, and thought about using steroids to enhance muscle growth."
Eating disorders! Interference in other parts of their lives! Steroid use! Protein supplements!
Wait, protein powder? Is that . . . interference? Is protein supplementation a horrible dark side effect like an eating disorder now? Yikes.0 -
I don't know if this has been thrown in there, 'cause to be honest I didn't read the whole thing.
I want to know where hill sprints fit into this brave new classification system?
I would say that hill sprints are a bit in the red zone. They're good but they still promote that 'flight' mentality that I'm trying desperately to warn against.
Stuff like Kettlebell ladders, Tabata body resistance intervals, stuff like that will encourage a more assertive nature.
Ah, I see the can-do element you're striving for! If it helps, when I hill sprint I charge like a bull to destroy anything in my path. I feel like I could eat the hearts of my enemies and make their woman-folk cry and rend their breasts......0 -
There is a whole section of psychology that deals with the body image issues that weight lifters have internalized - always feeling inadequate physically. They lift to try and compensate for their preceived short comings. Very unhealthy attachment to lifting.
For decades, women with perfect bodies have adorned the covers of fashion magazines and created an ideal that teenage girls aspired to. The obsession with the flawless body has recently crossed genders, causing men to suffer from eating disorders, consider steroid use and to have unhealthy obsessions with weightlifting, new research suggests.
"Men see these idealized, muscular men in the media and feel their own bodies don't measure up," said Tracy Tylka, the lead researcher and assistant professor of psychology at Ohio State University.
Reviewing previous studies, Tylka "found that media images of men in action toys, Playgirl centerfolds, etc., have become increasingly muscular over the last 25-30 years."
The effect was apparent when Tylka surveyed 285 college men to find out how much pressure they were under to have a muscular physique.
The more the surveyed men felt under pressure through media, friends, and family, the more they were compelled to live up to the ideals, Tylka reported Aug. 10 at the annual meeting of the American Psychological Association.
"They start to believe that the only attractive male body is a muscular one," Tylka said. "And when they internalize that belief, they judge themselves on that ideal and probably come up short, because it is not a realistic portrayal of men."
Those who felt their bodies didn't measure up to the ideal reported that they worked out so much that weight training interfered with other parts of their lives. They also took protein supplements, were likely to report eating disorder symptoms, and thought about using steroids to enhance muscle growth.
"It is good to exercise, to lift weights, and to eat the foods that make your body function well," Tylka said. But it is not good to be preoccupied with working out just to bulk up, she said. These men were not eating healthy, but cutting out major food groups like carbohydrates and consuming massive amounts of protein.
"Instead of seeing a decrease in objectification of women in society, there has just been an increase in the objectification of men. And you can see that in the media today."
Worthy of a new thread for sure!0 -
I run....because I can. One day I may not be able to. The rest can go to hell. Simple as that.0
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Interesting you see it only as running away from problems, rather than running towards a solution. I could compare weight lifting to a masochistic need to carry the weight of the world on your shoulders like Atlas, but that would be JUST as silly. I run to to clean up the clutter in my head and on my body. If picking up the barbell does that for you, then more power to you. We all have different ways to get the job done.
I love this... and I like to pick up the occasional weight too, need to run more distance instead of short bursts... hey those mammoth hunts can go long and those babies can run!! Plus all that meat isn't going to carry itself back to the cave you know.
Balance... it's all about balance
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I don't know if this has been thrown in there, 'cause to be honest I didn't read the whole thing.
I want to know where hill sprints fit into this brave new classification system?
I would say that hill sprints are a bit in the red zone. They're good but they still promote that 'flight' mentality that I'm trying desperately to warn against.
Stuff like Kettlebell ladders, Tabata body resistance intervals, stuff like that will encourage a more assertive nature.
Ah, I see the can-do element you're striving for! If it helps, when I hill sprint I charge like a bull to destroy anything in my path. I feel like I could eat the hearts of my enemies and make their woman-folk cry and rend their breasts......
That does sound pretty manly.
Unless you are wearing tights.0
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