Pay a speeding ticket based on your income?
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Ah, another take on class warfare/envy. If you got more, you're bad and should have to pay more for the same infractions. No.
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I have a client whom I work with who is crippled from a car accident where she was hit behind from a speeder not paying attention to the traffic in front of him. Limit was 35mph and she was hit at more than 60mph. I think finding a way to deter speeding is a worth while cause after working with some people who have been affected by it. Don't think it's pathetic at all.I was getting pretty bummed reading all the "let's soak the rich" responses to this topic and wondering when the people with a clue would show up. I'm glad I stuck it out to the end. Thanks travisseger, StarvingDiva, RushBabe214, fiveohmike & tquig! You didn't disappoint.
I have a novel idea - Why don't we concern ourselves with our own behavior and circumstances and STFU about controlling others behavior and circumstances. If you don't like speeders, don't be one of them. If you don't like your lot in life, do something to change it. Stop blaming others that you think are better off than yourselves and trying to drag them down to your level. What do you care what kind of a fine someone else has to pay? That is none of your business. Where is this great tolerance progressives claim to have? Maybe you should start wearing brown shirts to help us identify you. Isn't there an OWS rally somewhere you should be attending? When did people start whining so much? How pathetic.
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There is... it's called an attorney. Guess you've never heard of a lawsuit before.0
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Lol, don't you think she'd rather have her legs work than sue? Guess you've never been in a serious accident involving a speeder.There is... it's called an attorney. Guess you've never heard of a lawsuit before.
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dont agree at all ... I dont care how much money someone makes ... you speed .. you get a ticket ... rich or poor ... cant pay the ticket cause youre poor .. dont speed or dont drive .. the end
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dont agree at all ... I dont care how much money someone makes ... you speed .. you get a ticket ... rich or poor ... cant pay the ticket cause youre poor .. dont speed or dont drive .. the end
Well, there you go again, being all logical and stuff.... 0 -
Lol, don't you think she'd rather have her legs work than sue? Guess you've never been in a serious accident involving a speeder.There is... it's called an attorney. Guess you've never heard of a lawsuit before.
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Oh I see... so if an income appropriate law would go into effect she'd get her legs back? Your correlation is unfounded. Law doesn't stop stupid from being stupid.0 -
But if you CAN pay the ticket several times over with no dent in your bank account, then it's okay to keep speeding?dont agree at all ... I dont care how much money someone makes ... you speed .. you get a ticket ... rich or poor ... cant pay the ticket cause youre poor .. dont speed or dont drive .. the end
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I don't agree at all. The fine should reflect the infraction not the persons income.0
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Tell that to people in Finland, Denmark and Norway then since it's definitely reduced the speeding there. Not a correlation, but direct effect.
Lol, don't you think she'd rather have her legs work than sue? Guess you've never been in a serious accident involving a speeder.There is... it's called an attorney. Guess you've never heard of a lawsuit before.
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Oh I see... so if an income appropriate law would go into effect she'd get her legs back? Your correlation is unfounded. Law doesn't stop stupid from being stupid.
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But if you CAN pay the ticket several times over with no dent in your bank account, then it's okay to keep speeding?dont agree at all ... I dont care how much money someone makes ... you speed .. you get a ticket ... rich or poor ... cant pay the ticket cause youre poor .. dont speed or dont drive .. the end
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Most states have a points system and if they continued to speed eventually their license would be suspended.0 -
Where's the "banging head against a brick wall" emoticon?0
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Tell that to people in Finland, Denmark and Norway then since it's definitely reduced the speeding there. Not a correlation, but direct effect.
Lol, don't you think she'd rather have her legs work than sue? Guess you've never been in a serious accident involving a speeder.There is... it's called an attorney. Guess you've never heard of a lawsuit before.
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Oh I see... so if an income appropriate law would go into effect she'd get her legs back? Your correlation is unfounded. Law doesn't stop stupid from being stupid.
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Well Russia and China have Communism. Should we implement that here too? Oh wait... we already are.0 -
That's not the issue. If a speeding fine is say $500 dollars for 2 people (one who makes $15,000 a month and one who makes $1,500), who do you think would be deterred more from speeding again? The point is to create more deterrence. If neither speed, neither suffers.I don't agree at all. The fine should reflect the infraction not the persons income.
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And suspended licenses stop people from driving? Have you ever sat in on traffic court and listened to the percentage of people who are in there because of suspended licenses?
But if you CAN pay the ticket several times over with no dent in your bank account, then it's okay to keep speeding?dont agree at all ... I dont care how much money someone makes ... you speed .. you get a ticket ... rich or poor ... cant pay the ticket cause youre poor .. dont speed or dont drive .. the end
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Most states have a points system and if they continued to speed eventually their license would be suspended.
Having a suspended license MAY cause them to slow down because they don't want to lose their car if caught though, but a good attorney can get that taken care of.
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Where's the "banging head against a brick wall" emoticon?
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Couldn't debate the actual proof so have to come up with a strawman argument.
Tell that to people in Finland, Denmark and Norway then since it's definitely reduced the speeding there. Not a correlation, but direct effect.
Lol, don't you think she'd rather have her legs work than sue? Guess you've never been in a serious accident involving a speeder.There is... it's called an attorney. Guess you've never heard of a lawsuit before.
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Oh I see... so if an income appropriate law would go into effect she'd get her legs back? Your correlation is unfounded. Law doesn't stop stupid from being stupid.
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Well Russia and China have Communism. Should we implement that here too? Oh wait... we already are.
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Where's the "banging head against a brick wall" emoticon?
If you find it, let me know where it is.
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Actually "dumb" would be not actually understanding the content. Maybe you want to reread the proposal. It's for DETERRENCE, not attributing to food you buy, clothes you buy, liquor you want to drink.One of the dumbest things I have seen on MFP. Why stop at speeding tickets? Let's impose these income-based penalties for everything. Oh, you make $200,000/yr, that Happy Meal will cost you $30. Oh, you only make $40,000/yr? That's gonna be $7.95.
Lol, wait, are you saying that Wall street DIDN'T **** the US over recently?When are the people of this great country going to realize that we are great because we provide a greater opportunity for people to be monetarily successful? This whole concept of the wealthy should support the poor is against the foundations of capitalism from which this country's success has been based. People, including our current administration, should go back to school and take a history class and an economics class.
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Or dumb would be not understanding that the application of this proposal to other expenses clearly illustrates how without merit this idea is.
And nowhere in any post in this thread did I or any other poster state that Wall Street did not do anything wrong. Why would you even bring that up in a post that had nothing to do with that? We are talking about establishing penalties based upon income. Maybe you would like to start a new thread about the impacts of Wall Street's actions.0 -
Let's stick to the facts here conservatives. Fact is that in the countries that have implemented it, it's reduced speeding. You don't speed, then there's nothing to worry about. It's a DETERRENT that works.
Don't try to derail this by making it a political stance. Stick to the facts.
No ones personal income who DOESN'T speed is affected in those countries. They still get to keep their money.
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Actually it started with Reagan.Punishment according to social class....what a great idea.....this obviously has no potential to be applied in other areas.
We don't need more laws to divide us, our president is doing a great job at that all on his own.
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Actually it started long before Reagan and the fact that previous administrations had issues in no way offsets the fact that we are currently saddled with what will be possibly be the worst US president ever.0 -
And suspended licenses stop people from driving? Have you ever sat in on traffic court and listened to the percentage of people who are in there because of suspended licenses?
But if you CAN pay the ticket several times over with no dent in your bank account, then it's okay to keep speeding?dont agree at all ... I dont care how much money someone makes ... you speed .. you get a ticket ... rich or poor ... cant pay the ticket cause youre poor .. dont speed or dont drive .. the end
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Most states have a points system and if they continued to speed eventually their license would be suspended.
Having a suspended license MAY cause them to slow down because they don't want to lose their car if caught though, but a good attorney can get that taken care of.
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Have you ever sat in the same court room and listened to the number of people that had their licenses suspended because they failed to pay a fine? You are making the assumption that poor people never speed because they can't afford the fine but that is just not the case. The fine is not a deterent for all of the poor either. Some just don't pay it, get a suspended license and continue to drive until they get caught.0 -
Seriously dude! Move to Norway, Finland, Denmark or wherever the laws are to your liking. There are no guarantees in life. There are risks in everything we do. Accidents do happen. As a kid, I rode a bicycle without a helmet, drank from a garden hose, rode in the back of pickup trucks and my first car didn't even have seat belts. I had a Daisy BB gun and nobody lost an eye. Imagine that! Somehow, without a bunch of gubmint interference, people from my generation managed to survive. You busybodies won't stop until we are all covered in bubble wrap, drive electric vehicles that can't go any faster than 3 mph and our diets consist of only gubmint approved food substitutes. Go on, show your face in your avatar. I'll bet you are really Michael Bloomberg.
Tell that to people in Finland, Denmark and Norway then since it's definitely reduced the speeding there. Not a correlation, but direct effect.
Lol, don't you think she'd rather have her legs work than sue? Guess you've never been in a serious accident involving a speeder.There is... it's called an attorney. Guess you've never heard of a lawsuit before.
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Oh I see... so if an income appropriate law would go into effect she'd get her legs back? Your correlation is unfounded. Law doesn't stop stupid from being stupid.0 -
Please enlighten me on the other expenses. If the difference is just in % paid, it's just numbers being applied for payment.Or dumb would be not understanding that the application of this proposal to other expenses clearly illustrates how without merit this idea is.
I don't want to derail the thread, but when you speak of "wealthy" NOT affecting others, I had to bring it up (sore subject with me). Let's leave out the lines of capitalism/liberalism out of the discussion. The thread is comparing how SPEEDING was reduced because of the implimentation of % to income paid for tickets. Again, don't speed, no issue. No issue to how much people want to make either. The people this affects is SPEEDERS.And nowhere in any post in this thread did I or any other poster state that Wall Street did not do anything wrong. Why would you even bring that up in a post that had nothing to do with that? We are talking about establishing penalties based upon income. Maybe you would like to start a new thread about the impacts of Wall Street's actions.
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So down for this!!! It is not rich envy or hating the rich it is. I think a lot of you all need to take sociology 100 and open up your fricking eyes.
The elite punish the poor every single day. If we looked at the statistics of the Nordic countries and where they stand in the OECD averages of all the issues in the world like child poverty, suicide, mental health, happiness, education etc and then compare it to America, the UK, Australia, NZ then we see who is winning in initiative, equality and fairness.
Russia isn't a communist state any more dummy
China is one of the most richest countries in the world and who will we be running to went **** gets scarce???
(not saying Chinas communist regime is the best by the way lol)
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Again, let's not go into politics here. Stick to the actual facts of the OP.
Actually it started with Reagan.Punishment according to social class....what a great idea.....this obviously has no potential to be applied in other areas.
We don't need more laws to divide us, our president is doing a great job at that all on his own.
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Actually it started long before Reagan and the fact that previous administrations had issues in no way offsets the fact that we are currently saddled with what will be possibly be the worst US president ever.
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Dude, what's wrong with trying to ensure more safety for others? While things DO happen, you can implement ways to reduce them. With more COMMUTING time longer then ever before, accidents are higher than ever.
Seriously dude! Move to Norway, Finland, Denmark or wherever the laws are to your liking. There are no guarantees in life. There are risks in everything we do. Accidents do happen. As a kid, I rode a bicycle without a helmet, drank from a garden hose, rode in the back of pickup trucks and my first car didn't even have seat belts. I had a Daisy BB gun and nobody lost an eye. Imagine that! Somehow, without a bunch of gubmint interference, people from my generation managed to survive. You busybodies won't stop until we are all covered in bubble wrap, drive electric vehicles that can't go any faster than 3 mph and our diets consist of only gubmint approved food substitutes. Go on, show your face in your avatar. I'll bet you are really Michael Bloomberg.
Tell that to people in Finland, Denmark and Norway then since it's definitely reduced the speeding there. Not a correlation, but direct effect.
Lol, don't you think she'd rather have her legs work than sue? Guess you've never been in a serious accident involving a speeder.There is... it's called an attorney. Guess you've never heard of a lawsuit before.
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Oh I see... so if an income appropriate law would go into effect she'd get her legs back? Your correlation is unfounded. Law doesn't stop stupid from being stupid.
So you were RESPONSIBLE. Guess what? Not everyone is. You don't care if they aren't? Your anecdotes don't apply to the people who aren't responsible and shoot their BB guns at people, do insane bike stunts without helmets, etc.
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Let's stick to the facts here conservatives. Fact is that in the countries that have implemented it, it's reduced speeding. You don't speed, then there's nothing to worry about. It's a DETERRENT that works.
Don't try to derail this by making it a political stance. Stick to the facts.
No ones personal income who DOESN'T speed is affected in those countries. They still get to keep their money.
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Maybe if you look at it like this, it will make more sense. Lets assume the top 10% of the driving population are wealthy. In order for your deterent idea to work, that 10% population would have to account for significantly more than 10% of the total speeding violations to really have an impact on reducing the number of infractions. That is simply illogical. A potentially better solution would be to increase the penalties unilaterally, not based upon income. Relate it to drunk driving charges. After so many , three in most states, you end up in jail. Same with the three-strikes rule for criminal convictions. They are proven deterents because they affect everyone equally, regardless of wealth.0 -
Up here in Canada, we've prosecuted idiots who speed constantly.
Tickets are the same across the board. I can see the reasoning behind this. At the same time, if you speed too often, I do believe in raising the fine with each offence.
As someone who is training to become a cop, speeding isn't an issue with me. It's the corporate fraud, the government offices who are being funded by drug money, and the rich who are abusing their privileges while the poor are becoming poorer, and the poor souls who are being jailed for simply using drugs while their dealers and pimps profit enormously and evade the law.
Also, to the people who insulted the Occupy movement, you have no idea what they're all about. Until you've been in the situation where you've spent 30,000 dollars on your degree and have even more of that in debt due to interest, and afterwards, can NOT find a job, you cannot understand.
I'm hoping they start up again.0 -
That's not the issue. If a speeding fine is say $500 dollars for 2 people (one who makes $15,000 a month and one who makes $1,500), who do you think would be deterred more from speeding again? The point is to create more deterrence. If neither speed, neither suffers.I don't agree at all. The fine should reflect the infraction not the persons income.
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But your logic is faulty. You assume that the fine would deter people from speeding when clearly a law didn't. If people want to speed the will reguardless of the penalty.0
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