Diet and Exercise vs. Surgery. Thoughts?
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I think that if a person was at risk of losing their life and couldn't move because they were so overweight, then surgery would be the best thing for them. But if not, I don't think it's a good idea because to me that's just not healthy. A healthy way to lose weight is to learn which foods are right to eat, exercise, and eat foods that are not so great for you in moderation. With surgery what is going to keep them from going back into the same eating habits and lack of exercise that got them heavy in the first place? I'm happy for anyone that loses weight but I think the best way is through hard work, not a surgical knife.
Of course, many people lose weight and never learn the right foods. After they get to their healthy weight, they go right back to their old ways and get heavy again. I also know people who have had surgery that listened to the dietician's instructions, learned how to eat properly and didn't gain any weight back. Some people need that surgery to help them get started, some don't. But, don't assume that because someone had the surgery that they didn't learn how to eat properly. And don't assume that because someone lost it without surgery they learned how to keep it off.0 -
I keep seeing people say "you're lazy and want the easy way out" in so many words. I guess I never viewed anyone going for surgery as being lazy and wanting the easy way out - well at least not the majority.
I *thought* for most, it was a last resort, a life or death decision, or a decision because nothing else had any hope of working for them.
Whether it's true or not is actually irrelevant - because perception IS reality. If you BELIEVE this is the case for you, then it is. Regardless of how others view or judge you.
What I also see, is people saying "I wanted surgery because I was lazy and wanted an easy way out. But then I saw how much work it was and knew I could do it without surgery." Here's the rub, You believed you could do it, knew you could, and chose to not have surgery because it wasn't a life or death situation, a desperate last ditch attempt to get healthy. And I am NOT begrudging anyone that!! I think it's AWESOME that self esteem, pride, and belief that you can do it, prevented you from getting a dangerous and risky surgery. That is a truly great thing! And yes, take pride in putting in the hard work and effort.
But from the other side of the board, you have people who believe in their heart, this is the only way (and I do believe for some it is - if not all) .
Knowing what I know NOW, I know I didn't need to get surgery. I am doing it on my own, because I have the knowledge, and understand HOW. I don't believe everyone gets that though. I am learning, that you can change your tastes, learn to love veggies and fruits MORE than junk food - cakes, cookies, pies etc. that you feel SOO much better eating the healthier foods. That the RUSH you get form eating those junky foods, is temporary and inevitably leave you feeling horrible after, both mentally and physically.
I went from eating CRAP ALL THE TIME - from the time I woke up, until I went to bed. Now, I still occassionally have those days - well - not ALL DAY - but I do have meals like that. I have my 'cheat' days, refeed days, etc etc.. and am finding I don't look forward to them all that much anymore. It throws me off track, I don't feel good after I eat the stuff, and I look forward to getting back to my 'diet'.. LOL - yeah - that's a joke. It's my way of life now. I feel weird using the word Diet. BUT I WAS THERE. I came from that place where surgery is the only answer. I'm one of the few people who can truly talk about it from both sides. I understand it from both fronts. I feel - relieved - that I can do this on my own, without help, and a little guilty that I do feel relieved as I don't feel the judgement and scorn from people who are so MEAN. And Especially, from those who only have less than 40 lbs to lose. Coming from a place where it will take someone 1-2 years of constant dieting to get to a healthy weight, and judging them when you can get there in 6 months or less, is completely unfair. To say they LET themselves get there - how do you know what they went through? Divorce, loss of a loved one, injury, Job loss, sickness, depression, all these things can lead to weight gain. Most of us have had to experience at least one of these in our lives. But if you also don't understand the right way to deal with it, or are so depressed you cant, the weight can pile up. Then you have a long journey ahead to lose it and that in itself can be very depressing.
*sigh* this whole thread is just so SAD. People are so afraid that they aren't going to get credit for the work they do. ahh.. here's an example - I started seeing a personal trainer in March. As time went on, I had frequent people saying (with regards to my weight loss) "YEAH, but SHE has a personal trainer..." (eye roll) .... um.. I have a coach. a coach that pushes me to work harder. I STILL do the work. He doesn't live with me, making my food choices for me, etc. He's a tool. Weight loss surgery is a tool. And yes, SOME of the surgeries (not all) give you the advantage of sucking the calories from the food so you don't absorb them - but they also suck out vitamins, minerals, and provide a whole other plethera of health issues, that the patient has to deal with. Don't belittle their efforts to get healthier. They STILL have to make food choices - so they don't get sick or have complications, but they still have to make choices. they still have to exercise. The main difference is, that they are FORCED to learn how to eat a different way, versus figuring it out on their own. Don't be mean and judgemental. Their journey is different than yours, not any less painful, stressful, or hard.
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I think surgery is a last step, and a risky and dangerous step at that. Diet and exercise is the best way to lose weight in a healthy and life changing way. While it takes time and commitment, no one gained their weight overnight. You will improve your overall health and live much longer if you do it the right way. Surgery is a last resort, and while it may work for some, it does not teach you to eat properly nor give you the discipline to maintain a healthy lifestyle. If your life depends on getting weight off for medical reasons only - if you are morbidly obese - then that would be the only time to even consider this drastic step.0
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I wonder if anyone who has had WLS would say, "Surgery was my first choice. I just didn't want to go through that whole diet and exercise thing."
More likely, they chose surgery after they felt the exhausted all over avenues.0 -
On May 24 my best friend had the surgery. I even encouraged him to have it done. On June 20th he passed away due to complications from the operation. This is a dangerous procedure to have. I can't tell you how bad I feel.0
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On May 24 my best friend had the surgery. I even encouraged him to have it done. On June 20th he passed away due to complications from the operation. This is a dangerous procedure to have. I can't tell you how bad I feel.
*hugs* I'm sorry for you loss. I had a friend who passed away from complications from surgery, too. Another friend has such a compromised immune system that she's had pneumonia pretty much all summer long. Even my friend who's doing fantastic after getting sleeved still had complications and had to have her gall bladder removed, which seems to be a pretty common complication.
It is dangerous and not an "easy way out."0 -
So here's something I noticed....a lot of posts saying "People choose surgery because they're lazy!" and then, in the same post they say "It's still a lot of work!".
So which is it? :laugh: Are we lazy or are we working hard?0 -
http://rainhoward.blogspot.com/2012/08/more-on-my-choice-of-surgery.html
I would post this here but it's rather long. So if you really want to know why a person would opt for surgery, here's my answer to that question.0 -
You have no idea what you are talking about! Just like you use this site as a tool to help you, Getting weight loss surgery is just the same. It helps you to lose weight , but it will only work if you go by the rules! Until you have had the surgery you should not be able to give an opinion about the surgery! You are being very judgemental. Everyone has a right to what they think, but saying that people who has had surgery cheated is very ignorant. There are some people that may go into the surgery thinking it will fix you all on its own, but they may have not really researched it like I did. But go ahead keep commenting on things you have no idea about, because truely until you have experienced something you really shouldn't give your opinion. That would be like me never raising kids tell someone who has had kids and are with them everyday what they need to do. Just not right and its down right rude!0
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I lost about 275 lbs over a 2 1/2 year span, without surgery. I walked, counted calories, took medication, (Topamax and Adipex) and went to an eating disorder therapist. I am proud of my accomplishments as I did them without medical intervention. (I did have to have cosmetic surgeries to remove excess skin after reaching a healthy weight.)
That said, I had some advantages. I was male, with no mobility or serious health issues despite my weight, and was still in my 20's at the time. Someone like that, like I was, probably should explore non-surgical possibilities.
Do I wish I had thought to have surgery? YES! I honestly think it would have been a less difficult journey had I not had to do it ALL MENTALLY.
However, I have no restrictions on what/how much I can still eat, and for that I am thankful. (And that may have not been the case to this day had I had surgery.)0 -
You have no idea what you are talking about! Just like you use this site as a tool to help you, Getting weight loss surgery is just the same. It helps you to lose weight , but it will only work if you go by the rules! Until you have had the surgery you should not be able to give an opinion about the surgery! You are being very judgemental. Everyone has a right to what they think, but saying that people who has had surgery cheated is very ignorant. There are some people that may go into the surgery thinking it will fix you all on its own, but they may have not really researched it like I did. But go ahead keep commenting on things you have no idea about, because truely until you have experienced something you really shouldn't give your opinion. That would be like me never raising kids tell someone who has had kids and are with them everyday what they need to do. Just not right and its down right rude!
Amen to that! My husband lost 85 lbs with the *help* of surgery. I have lost mine with WW and MFP. Surgery is merely a tool and unless you have yourself been overweight by 100lbs+, STFU, you have no concept of the true struggle. It is not the answer for everyone, just like I didn't think it was the answer for me. But it certainly was the answer for my husband. He has mainained the weight loss for 2 years now, which in itself is praiseworthy. We eat healthier, we exercise together and we enjoy our children more now. Are we done? No. But hey, is anyone ever really done?0 -
While I've not had the surgery, I worked for a gastroenterologist for 17 years and we saw plenty of patients after the surgery. It is a very tough road to walk. Anyone who thinks it is the easy way out is ignorant of the facts. Their life will be harder than ours due to the complications after the fact and they have to work HARDER. Those of us who have not had surgery will regain weight if we stop our efforts. Post surgery patients may end up dead from the complications after the alterations to their anatomy. So, do they have bragging rights? Absolutely and unequivocally. Anyone who loses weight and keeps it off has bragging rights. We may all do it differently but each and every one of us has our own battles and our own battle scars. Not one among us is better than the next.0
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I got turned down for surgery. So glad now! Doing this the old fashioned way and I'll be able to have no I'll effects and can still eat a proper meal. Would advise people to have counselling first as normally the problem is psychological. I was 301lbs and spent most of .my life in bed with depression and chronic fatigue. Now loving life, loving hard exercise and all weight related health problems have gone. Still hard with the chronic fatigue but good days out weigh the bad which is all I can ask and I'm so proud I did it all myself! X0
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I to also think it is a cop out for people . You still have to watch what you eat and exercise. There is a great chance that you can gain all that weight back again. if you don't exercise what happens to all that excess skin??0
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In my opinion it's 100% their choice to have weight loss surgery.
It's easy to say well I'm doing it the "right" way while they took the easy way out but you don't know the personal demons they had to get through to even pick up the phone and schedule the appointment with the doctor. You make your choice by putting on your running shoes and going to the gym....maybe some just don't feel like they can do it, or other health reasons that are keeping them from doing it. Idk it's just I don't think you should judge anyone till you've been in their shoes & know what they go through on a day to day basis. 0 -
Shame on those who judge and scorn individuals who have used medical assistance (surgeries) to lose weight. I am so sick and tired of judgmental people that have never walked an inch let alone a mile in a person’s shoes that has had to get this type of surgery done! There is a great deal more going into the surgery other than losing weight so before some of the self-righteous know-it-alls start blasting those who have made those decisions get to know these people as human beings with physical and psychological needs.0
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You have no idea what you are talking about! Just like you use this site as a tool to help you, Getting weight loss surgery is just the same. It helps you to lose weight , but it will only work if you go by the rules! Until you have had the surgery you should not be able to give an opinion about the surgery! You are being very judgemental. Everyone has a right to what they think, but saying that people who has had surgery cheated is very ignorant. There are some people that may go into the surgery thinking it will fix you all on its own, but they may have not really researched it like I did. But go ahead keep commenting on things you have no idea about, because truely until you have experienced something you really shouldn't give your opinion. That would be like me never raising kids tell someone who has had kids and are with them everyday what they need to do. Just not right and its down right rude!
Amen to that! My husband lost 85 lbs with the *help* of surgery. I have lost mine with WW and MFP. Surgery is merely a tool and unless you have yourself been overweight by 100lbs+, STFU, you have no concept of the true struggle. It is not the answer for everyone, just like I didn't think it was the answer for me. But it certainly was the answer for my husband. He has mainained the weight loss for 2 years now, which in itself is praiseworthy. We eat healthier, we exercise together and we enjoy our children more now. Are we done? No. But hey, is anyone ever really done?
Yep I totally agree and congrats to you and your hubby We are all different and need help in different ways I applaud the both of you! 0 -
<---- Cheater, Cop Out, Loser, Magic Pill Popper, etc.
Call me what you will, but I have worked my *kitten* off for the 128 pounds that I've lost. I've spent HOURS planning meals. I've spent HOURS at the gym getting it in. I read every label on every thing I put into my mouth. I've had nutritional counselling. I've had personal trainers. Did my surgeon lose that 128 pounds for me? Did my trainer? My nutritionist? NO. *I* did it. Me. That is all.
If YOU did it then why did you have to have the surgery to get you there? Give credit where it is due-sorry you don't deserve it all. That's like saying the recovered alcoholic who takes topomax which makes them sick when they drink has gotten sober on his/her own. Or like saying that someone who has cheated on a test by sneaking in notes and then passes the test has done it "all on his own"--yeah maybe they've done it but the triumph is much different than someone who's done it without assistance or by sheer inner strength.
Exactly!
You have no idea what you are talking about! Just like you use this site as a tool to help you, Getting weight loss surgery is just the same. It helps you to lose weight , but it will only work if you go by the rules! Until you have had the surgery you should not be able to give an opinion about the surgery! You are being very judgemental. Everyone has a right to what they think, but saying that people who has had surgery cheated is very ignorant. There are some people that may go into the surgery thinking it will fix you all on its own, but they may have not really researched it like I did. But go ahead keep commenting on things you have no idea about, because truely until you have experienced something you really shouldn't give your opinion. That would be like me never raising kids tell someone who has had kids and are with them everyday what they need to do. Just not right and its down right rude!0 -
My older sister had gastric bypass surgery. She has been overweight all her life and morbidly obese for the past 10 years or so. The surgery was supposed to be the "kick start" she needed. She never gave a diet serious effort for more than 2-3 days, nor did she get on an exercise program. She had to lose 10 pounds before surgery so she starved the two weeks before. Not good. She lost 80 pounds quickly and has gained more than half of it back, so far. She never changed her eating habits, she doesn't follow the meal plans, and she does not exercise. Right after the surgery, she was able to sleep without the CPAP and got rid of her insulin but she's back to those now due to the weight gain.
My younger sister did the HMR diet and exercise, lost 80 pounds, then had a tummy tuck. After gaining all the weight back plus some extra, she had the lap band. She did not qualify for the surgery so she paid to get it done. She lost 85 or 90 pounds and was extremely sick all the time. She couldn't eat but she worked out religiously. They had to remove the lap band so she gained all the weight back. She had another lap band put in (who can afford to pay for these surgeries out of their pocket?), lost 70 or 80 pounds then gained it back because she returned to her old eating habits and quit exercising. She had low self-esteem when she was heavier so the weight loss boosts her confidence.
My mother and I have lost weight through Weight Watchers and exercise. The two of us were never classified as morbidly obese as my sisters. I hit a plateau (I am in my late 40's) with WW so I talked to my doctor about it. She referred me to a weight management program. Now I take half of an Adipex pill at 1pm to curb the appetite. Of course, Adipex is not a quick fix and it has to be done with diet and exercise. I now eat a sugar-free/low-carb, high protein, low-calorie diet and I exercise 4 or 5 times per week (Zumba or Zumba toning for an hour each time). I had a tummy tuck to remove the excess fat and continue to stick with a sugar-free/high protein diet and exercise. I fluctuate within a three pound range so life is good.
After losing weight through diet and exercise or through surgery, you will never be able to return to your "old habits" and ways of eating, period. If you do, you will gain the weight back. I really don't care how people lose the weight, as long as they lose it. Surgery is pretty severe if you cannot stick with a diet for at least six months to change your eating habits.
As far as someone who lost weight through surgery getting compliments, they deserve them if they continue to lose weight because they just got the kick-start to get them motivated. Just my two cents.0 -
I to also think it is a cop out for people . You still have to watch what you eat and exercise. There is a great chance that you can gain all that weight back again. if you don't exercise what happens to all that excess skin??
Just because you have surgery does not mean you dont have to work out and watch what you eat! As much time as it may take someone without surgery it is the same for lap band patients. Just because you get the lap band doesnt mean you can just sit their and the weight falls off. No you have to work hard to get the weight off by exercizing and eating properly. And the skin sagging? You lose weight slowly, the same with someone who doesn't have the surgery. This is exactly what im tlking about. Until you have had the surgery you cannot say you know and that its a cop out. The only thing the lap band helps with is portion control but only if you dont cheat it, and when the weight does come off it is very helpful in helping you to maintain the weight. Like this site is a tool for you, weight loss surgery is also a tool. It is just an individuals choice of which tool you want to use.0 -
I am really pissed about all the judgemental comments on this thread, calling people names and just being very rude about someones accomplishments. I think that every person who says that it is a cop out or that you cheated because someone helped you to lose weight and that it wasn't your doing should delete this MFP account! YOU did not create this site, YOU did not take your time to research all the foods and colorie intake and put them here for individuals like yourself who needs help! If you used this site to help you lose weight should we all be saying your a cheater and shame on you cause you should have done this on your own? NO ABSOLUTELY NOT! Keep posting trash about other people and rust me Kama will catch up with you one day!0
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I to also think it is a cop out for people . You still have to watch what you eat and exercise. There is a great chance that you can gain all that weight back again. if you don't exercise what happens to all that excess skin??
This is what I'm talking about lol. "It's a cop out, but you still have to do the work!"
If you still have to work hard, HOW is it a cop out?0 -
I am really pissed about all the judgemental comments on this thread, calling people names and just being very rude about someones accomplishments. I think that every person who says that it is a cop out or that you cheated because someone helped you to lose weight and that it wasn't your doing should delete this MFP account! YOU did not create this site, YOU did not take your time to research all the foods and colorie intake and put them here for individuals like yourself who needs help! If you used this site to help you lose weight should we all be saying your a cheater and shame on you cause you should have done this on your own? NO ABSOLUTELY NOT! Keep posting trash about other people and rust me Kama will catch up with you one day!
The information is on the food itself for EVERYONE to see and use. can anyone get surgery? What if I wanted help with portion control? Guess what, I have to do it on my own. How is that even close to being the same thing as using MFP? What about the uproar over diet pills? Do you support those too? Steroids for improved performance? I assume so based on your posts.0 -
I am really pissed about all the judgemental comments on this thread, calling people names and just being very rude about someones accomplishments. I think that every person who says that it is a cop out or that you cheated because someone helped you to lose weight and that it wasn't your doing should delete this MFP account! YOU did not create this site, YOU did not take your time to research all the foods and colorie intake and put them here for individuals like yourself who needs help! If you used this site to help you lose weight should we all be saying your a cheater and shame on you cause you should have done this on your own? NO ABSOLUTELY NOT! Keep posting trash about other people and rust me Kama will catch up with you one day!
The information is on the food itself for EVERYONE to see and use. can anyone get surgery? What if I wanted help with portion control? Guess what, I have to do it on my own. How is that even close to being the same thing as using MFP? What about the uproar over diet pills? Do you support those too? Steroids for improved performance? I assume so based on your posts.
Oh you have a choice of how you control your portions, we all do. Your opinion is your opinion, but when you are acting like you are a better person than someone who chose surgery, Pretty much crushing a human beings self worth. You are out to make people feel like **** and you are so self absorbed and have no respect for others. I have no respect for you at all, because you are so caught up in you and how hard you work and how you do it on your own, you never stopped to think that this person decided on their own to get help! It may not be your solution but it was the best solution for them. Instead of criticizing, it would be more useful to encourage people on their weight loss journey no matter what path they decided to take, wether it be weight watchers, jenny craig, quick weightloss etc. That is why we are on this site remember?0 -
I am really pissed about all the judgemental comments on this thread, calling people names and just being very rude about someones accomplishments. I think that every person who says that it is a cop out or that you cheated because someone helped you to lose weight and that it wasn't your doing should delete this MFP account! YOU did not create this site, YOU did not take your time to research all the foods and colorie intake and put them here for individuals like yourself who needs help! If you used this site to help you lose weight should we all be saying your a cheater and shame on you cause you should have done this on your own? NO ABSOLUTELY NOT! Keep posting trash about other people and rust me Kama will catch up with you one day!
The information is on the food itself for EVERYONE to see and use. can anyone get surgery? What if I wanted help with portion control? Guess what, I have to do it on my own. How is that even close to being the same thing as using MFP? What about the uproar over diet pills? Do you support those too? Steroids for improved performance? I assume so based on your posts.
Oh you have a choice of how you control your portions, we all do. Your opinion is your opinion, but when you are acting like you are a better person than someone who chose surgery, Pretty much crushing a human beings self worth. You are out to make people feel like **** and you are so self absorbed and have no respect for others. I have no respect for you at all, because you are so caught up in you and how hard you work and how you do it on your own, you never stopped to think that this person decided on their own to get help! It may not be your solution but it was the best solution for them. Instead of criticizing, it would be more useful to encourage people on their weight loss journey no matter what path they decided to take, wether it be weight watchers, jenny craig, quick weightloss etc. That is why we are on this site remember?
^^ This.0 -
I am desperatly trying to lose the weight to have surgery & I don't care about your opinions. The fact of the matter is everyone has to do what they believe is best for themselves. After 43 years of being obese & trying everything in the book, I'm tired. And I'm tired of being tired, in pain, uncomfortable and discriminated against. I want the weight off as fast as possible because when it's gone
I promise you it will never come back. Only exercise I can do now is walk but I want to run & jump & dance and that's exactly what I plan on doing. :bigsmile:
You Go!!!!! When you're ready to dance - let me know - I'll come dance with you just for the pure joy of doing it!0 -
I think that there is so much pain associated with weight that whatever works for you is ok. Weight loss surgery is major surgery. It is painful and not easy. It is not always successful either. Unless you take control of your attitude about food you will fail whether you use diet and exercise or surgery. I applaud anyone who takes the necessary steps to get healthy, especially when you are facing a monumental task. I never faced having to lose 100+ pounds. I can only imagine the courage it takes to admit that you have that much to lose and deciding to take action. Kudos to all who succeed.0
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Shame on those who judge and scorn individuals who have used medical assistance (surgeries) to lose weight. I am so sick and tired of judgmental people that have never walked an inch let alone a mile in a person’s shoes that has had to get this type of surgery done! There is a great deal more going into the surgery other than losing weight so before some of the self-righteous know-it-alls start blasting those who have made those decisions get to know these people as human beings with physical and psychological needs.
I think the people who are most scornful and ridiculing of people who have chosen to have surgery to help start their weight loss journey are those who a) arent trying to loose 200plus lbs as some who choose surgery are and b) have never had any sort of major surgery.
Any surgery comes with major potential side effects. Weight loss surgery is no exception - I applaud, encourage and am inspired by someone who has chosen to risk their very life going under the knife to help make themselves healthier. The risk of possible complications during weight loss surgery are exponentially higher for someone who is morbidly obese than for anyone else.
For a great many people who choose surgery (not all but many) surgery isnt really a choice it's the only option for to survive - it's surgery or die
Whether they will ultimately be able to keep the weight off or not is no different than it is for anyone - if they do not change their eating habits they'll gain the weight back - oh hold on a second - if NONE of us change our eating habits we will ALL gain the weight back - we ALL got overweight by eating too much and not moving enough - who freaking cares how someone chose to start losing weight and living again.
My question to all of those who scorn surgery for weightloss - how many of you have no issues with someone getting a boobjob or a nose job or will eventually themselves sneak off to the plastic surgeon for that tummy tuck when they've gotten to their goal weight but still have the little bit extra to get rid of.
As it has been said - Judge not lest you be judged0 -
Stirring the pot a little.
My cousin had the surgery, lost a ton of weight, and posted his before and after pics. immediately, the "Congrats", "Well Done" and "Great Work" comments started rolling in.
Congrats and Great Work for what?!?!? Going to your doctor and letting him force you into losing weight because you couldn't do it yourself? Granted, he needed to lose the weight, and he looks great now. But now he's like a recovering drug addict with his constant updates about eating right.
I'm thinking: "Who are you to preach about weight loss?"
I'm not opposed to surgery if needed, and again, I'm not judging anyone who has had it. I agree with multiple points made here already. But it seems you don't have the same bragging rights and the "great work" comments are not earned.
Alright...take it away.
But can you imagine how great he must feel to have some peace and control and success in his life in this area? I'd be glowing too.0 -
My problem with the surgery is it doesn't get to the root of why the person gained all that weight to begin with. I have two friends who have had gastric bypass and another who has a lap band.
All three lost a tremendous amount of weight...initially. But all three gained back their weight over time. Because their reasons for overeating never changed.
I don't necessarily think there's a "better" way to lose weight...everyone has their own journey to walk...but the only way to achieve lasting weight loss is to find out WHY we gained all that weight to begin with. If we don't permanently change those habits, the weight will slowly creep back on.
Excellently put. I fully agree that we need to change / adjust what we eat, the amount we eat, and how much we move. None of us has to become a marathon runner; a few little changes like taking a brisk walk during lunch or riding your bike to / from work will already make a whole lot of difference.0
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