Milk does NOT do your body good!
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I think we are the only animals who keep drinking milk after birth. Think about it, all animals are breast fed until they are weened from their mother. But we keep drinking it? And all of the growth hormones in it! YIKES! I occasionally have a splash of milk in things or a small glass of skim milk, but I do not drink it everyday!0
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me drinking my milk, even after reading your one sided post0 -
I've read some stuff about milk from the milk industry vs raw milk from grass fed cows. I agree with what you've said about the majority of the milk industry. Hormones, antibiotics, pus...the whole 9 yards. Also, the fact that it is pasteurized and homogenized is bad, too. We need the enzymes from raw milk in order to break down the proteins in it. When milk is pasteurized, those healthy bacteria and enzymes are killed and we are unable to break down the proteins as easily. Also, homogenizing milk supposedly causes the fat globules to be broken into tiny sticky pieces, which can in fact contribute to clogged arteries. Not homogenizing the milk, though, causes the fat globules to stay in one piece, which is passed through your system. Its not going to get stuck in your arteries. Lastly, I've read that a lot of lactose intolerant people are able to eat raw dairy with no problems! This is due to the good bacteria and enzymes in the raw milk that break down the proteins for them .
Anywho, I got this info from The Untold Story of Milk and my favorite book, "Nourishing Traditions". I think raw dairy and especially fermented raw dairy are very good for those of us who are able to digest it! And of course, there are those people who have acquired such a sensitivity that they truly cannot digest dairy, even raw dairy.
I would like to see those studies done using raw milk, from grassfed cows. I wonder what the difference would be?0 -
I am lifting my very tall glass of ice cold milk and saying "Happy Saturday MOOrning to You" Cheers..Delicious!:drinker:0
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Up until about a year ago, I drank non-fat milk almost daily. I then reduced my carbs, and started to drink unsweetened almond milk. After 6 months of this, I tried to eat a yogurt, and got the most intense pain in my stomach. Same thing happened when I tried regular milk again. I thought maybe it was just a one day thing, but it happened every day for a week, so I switched back to my unsweetened almond milk and eat cheeses. No stomach pain/issues again.
Wondering if I making the switch for an extended period somehow made me intolerant to diary milk?
Either way, I can see a lot of valid points from your post.0 -
Here are some of the high points I have read on dairy:
Milk is designed to make us have the fastest growth spurt of our lives. Double our weight in 6 months, triple at a year, and quadruple at 2. By design it does the same for cows. A 90 lb calf doubles its weight in 47 days and grows to over 2000lbs in 2 years. By design the mother's body is able to detect the nutrients the baby is void of or needs the most of and tailors the milk to meet those needs. So why do we drink the milk of a cow, a mammal 250 times the size of an 8 pound baby. We are the only specie on earth that drinks milk as adults.
Between the ages of 18 months and 4 years we lose 90-95% of the lactase enzyme to digest milk. Undigested lactose and acidity of milk encourages the growth of bacteria in our intestines, and cancer thrives in acidic conditions.
A study done at Harvard, Yale, Penn State, and the National Institute of Health did a study and found dairy to be a deterrent to osteoperosis and the high protein content of dairy actually takes calcium from the body. A Yale study found the countries that consume the most dairy, meat, and other animal products are the countries with the highest osteoperois rates. 40 million Americans have osteoperosis but only 250,000 African women have bone disease, infact only one tribe in Africa has osteoperosis sufferers and that is the tribe that drinks cow's milk. Dairy has also been linked to a host of other diseases as well: acne, anemia, arthritis, ADD, ADHD, fibromyalgia, headaches, heartburn, indigestion, irritable bowel syndrome, joint pain, poor immune function, allergies, ear infections, colic, obesity, heart disease, diabetes, autism, Crohn's disease, breast, prostrate, and ovarian cancers.
Cows by nature produce up to 10 pounds of milk a day, but the cows the produce the milk we drink are injected with a hormone so they can instead produce a 100 pounds a day. When you ingest dairy you are ingesting the same antibiotics, pesticides, steroids, and hormones as you would if you digested the meat directly. The udders become sore and infected, and the antibiotics given to them for this goes straight into our milk. By the way, by law they are allowed to have up to 750 million pus cells per a gallon of milk. Pasteurization destroys beneficial enzymes and calcium without killing all the viruses and bacteria.
An adequate amount of calcium can be ingested by eating a healthy balance of fruits and vegetables. Consuming high amounts of dairy blocks iron absorption leading to iron deficiency. Vitamin D can be received by 15 minutes of sunlight a day. 70-80% of the calories in cheese alone comes from fat, and low fat cheese still accounts for 50% of the calories from fat.
There are many resources out there. Notmilk.com has every disease known linked to milk and studies done for each of those diseases. Skinny ***** by Rory Freedman and Kim Barnouin is a great book. Milksucks.com also has some hardcore truths and eye opening resources.
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So milk is designed to make us fat, culture bacteria inside of us, make our intestines acidic, leach calcium from our system, and degenerate our bones - and you say therefore that this is only good while we're children? It sounds like it's terrible for us as children too. I don't want no calcium-deprived acidic-intestined bone-degenerating fat baby. If anything, it sounds like milk is murder. Murder by mothers!
Your well documented research and long list of reputable scholarly reports makes a clear argument and I agree completely. You've convinced me that women(aka mothers) are trying to kill their children with breast milk. I think we should ban breast feeding. Sure you say it's good to help the little buggers grow, but if it has so many adverse effects then they trump the good ones. Women are obviously evil and trying to destroy our lives, one sipped nipple at a time.
Your information has changed my life. One MFP user and one hack website devoid of valuable and transparent research is just what I needed to give my life new guidance. All along this milk has been rotting me away. Maybe I should switch to those Beach Body products you recommend. After all, mankind makes much better products than nature.
OMG! Idk who you are but you just made my life!!! XD Srsly my favourite person right now. I lol'd hard! This made my morning!
God I love intelligent people who troll!0 -
Dairy is delicious. Eat it everyday!
I'd like to see raw, organic, grassfed dairy be prevalent.
I try to get it.
I grew up drinking and eating it, right from our own animals.
And other people used to get it from us, as well.
NEVER had a problem.
I do think that pasteurized, homogonized dairy creates problems,
but I still use it.0 -
Here are some of the high points I have read on dairy:
Milk is designed to make us have the fastest growth spurt of our lives. Double our weight in 6 months, triple at a year, and quadruple at 2. By design it does the same for cows. A 90 lb calf doubles its weight in 47 days and grows to over 2000lbs in 2 years. By design the mother's body is able to detect the nutrients the baby is void of or needs the most of and tailors the milk to meet those needs. So why do we drink the milk of a cow, a mammal 250 times the size of an 8 pound baby. We are the only specie on earth that drinks milk as adults.
Between the ages of 18 months and 4 years we lose 90-95% of the lactase enzyme to digest milk. Undigested lactose and acidity of milk encourages the growth of bacteria in our intestines, and cancer thrives in acidic conditions.
A study done at Harvard, Yale, Penn State, and the National Institute of Health did a study and found dairy to be a deterrent to osteoperosis and the high protein content of dairy actually takes calcium from the body. A Yale study found the countries that consume the most dairy, meat, and other animal products are the countries with the highest osteoperois rates. 40 million Americans have osteoperosis but only 250,000 African women have bone disease, infact only one tribe in Africa has osteoperosis sufferers and that is the tribe that drinks cow's milk. Dairy has also been linked to a host of other diseases as well: acne, anemia, arthritis, ADD, ADHD, fibromyalgia, headaches, heartburn, indigestion, irritable bowel syndrome, joint pain, poor immune function, allergies, ear infections, colic, obesity, heart disease, diabetes, autism, Crohn's disease, breast, prostrate, and ovarian cancers.
Cows by nature produce up to 10 pounds of milk a day, but the cows the produce the milk we drink are injected with a hormone so they can instead produce a 100 pounds a day. When you ingest dairy you are ingesting the same antibiotics, pesticides, steroids, and hormones as you would if you digested the meat directly. The udders become sore and infected, and the antibiotics given to them for this goes straight into our milk. By the way, by law they are allowed to have up to 750 million pus cells per a gallon of milk. Pasteurization destroys beneficial enzymes and calcium without killing all the viruses and bacteria.
An adequate amount of calcium can be ingested by eating a healthy balance of fruits and vegetables. Consuming high amounts of dairy blocks iron absorption leading to iron deficiency. Vitamin D can be received by 15 minutes of sunlight a day. 70-80% of the calories in cheese alone comes from fat, and low fat cheese still accounts for 50% of the calories from fat.
There are many resources out there. Notmilk.com has every disease known linked to milk and studies done for each of those diseases. Skinny ***** by Rory Freedman and Kim Barnouin is a great book. Milksucks.com also has some hardcore truths and eye opening resources.
Add me on MyFitnessPal.
So milk is designed to make us fat, culture bacteria inside of us, make our intestines acidic, leach calcium from our system, and degenerate our bones - and you say therefore that this is only good while we're children? It sounds like it's terrible for us as children too. I don't want no calcium-deprived acidic-intestined bone-degenerating fat baby. If anything, it sounds like milk is murder. Murder by mothers!
Your well documented research and long list of reputable scholarly reports makes a clear argument and I agree completely. You've convinced me that women(aka mothers) are trying to kill their children with breast milk. I think we should ban breast feeding. Sure you say it's good to help the little buggers grow, but if it has so many adverse effects then they trump the good ones. Women are obviously evil and trying to destroy our lives, one sipped nipple at a time.
Your information has changed my life. One MFP user and one hack website devoid of valuable and transparent research is just what I needed to give my life new guidance. All along this milk has been rotting me away. Maybe I should switch to those Beach Body products you recommend. After all, mankind makes much better products than nature.
It would be pretty weird if a human mother was producing cow's milk.
So then you'd be fine with people drinking human breast milk all their lives? If so, we should get rid of cows and just pump women. Heck, I could go for some breast milk right now. Anyone have any?0 -
O.o oh please, I drink 9 glasses of %2 milk a day and I have since I was in grade school.0
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Every form of liqued is bad for you if you would researched super deep, who cares, it is as with everything, if you don't take to much you be alright
I drink skim milk btw 0 -
We are naturally designed to use our legs. Walk your butt to work.
Your mattress is unnatural. Sleep on the ground.
Your shoes are unnatural. Go barefoot.
Toilets are unnatural. Go *kitten* in the neighbor's yard.
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Animals sleep on the ground and use their bare feet. Why can't we? They also eat raw meat. Why can't we? Some species show competition by eating the competitor's babies. Why can't we?
I'm a little tired of being compared to animals.0 -
A study done at Harvard, Yale, Penn State, and the National Institute of Health did a study bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
Citation please ?
I just had milk and I feel fine....
Wait...*coughing blood*.....what is happening to me ???.......*black veins on neck*.....help me.....*head explodes*0 -
A lot of posts in this topic I only skim-read through, so apologies if I've missed something that would change this reply!
"Hormones in milk are bad" - in the UK, it is illegal to give milk or meat producing cows hormones, so anyone from the UK can disregard this. Secondly, hormones are a combination of proteins and fats, which are broken down in your digestive system. So actually it's unlikely they make any difference to your own hormones. If anything, you are just getting a higher protein dose from the same consumption.
Milk has a lot of protein. I can't remember exactly where (and can't be bothered to find it right now), but I read a study that got participants to do a lot of exercise, then half of them drank milk, while the other half drank a sports drink. In the week following it, the ones that had a sports drink had much higher blood levels of muscle breakdown products, and much higher levels of muscle pain and stiffness. Which leads to the assumption that the high protein content in milk is good at helping your muscles to quickly and efficiently repair after exercise, so you do less to kill your kidneys and are more likely to do more exercise the next day. How is this a bad thing?
As for tribes in Africa. Darker skin, different conversion of sunlight towards making vitamin D. Lower average life span. Entirely different lifestyle and diet overall. Not a good way to compare levels of osteoporosis. Also, having been to Africa, I can tell you that a lot of people from lots of different tribes drink milk.0 -
I don't know...everyone's different. I recently came off a 12-month bulk to gain some much-needed weight and drinking milk was the one thing I could depend on to get my protein everyday. I will agree that too much can cause undue weight gain but I think the other benefits far exceed the negatives IMHO. I'm pretty lean and drink at least one glass a day. Milk does my body good, lol.0
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I am lactose intolerant so i can't have milk anyway and i will drink it every now an then but my boyfriend drinks up to a gallon a day. He is trying to increase his weight and lifts rediculous amounts of weights. If i switch milk he will notice but its good for him(if only i could sneak organic in the fridge)0
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Haha that made my day >.<We are naturally designed to use our legs. Walk your butt to work.
Your mattress is unnatural. Sleep on the ground.
Your shoes are unnatural. Go barefoot.
Toilets are unnatural. Go *kitten* in the neighbor's yard.
...
Animals sleep on the ground and use their bare feet. Why can't we? They also eat raw meat. Why can't we? Some species show competition by eating the competitor's babies. Why can't we?
I'm a little tired of being compared to animals.0 -
My husband grew up on a dairy farm They are one of the healthiest & trimmest families I know. They also ate from their garden, raised their own meat and got a lot of exercise looking after all those cows!
If I have to go a day with out my non-fat greek yogurt....I will not be held responsible for my actions. High-protein, creamy goodness!! Yum!0 -
Haha and this 1 also ><
A study done at Harvard, Yale, Penn State, and the National Institute of Health did a study bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
Citation please ?
I just had milk and I feel fine....
Wait...*coughing blood*.....what is happening to me ???.......*black veins on neck*.....help me.....*head explodes*0 -
Haha that made my day >.<We are naturally designed to use our legs. Walk your butt to work.
Your mattress is unnatural. Sleep on the ground.
Your shoes are unnatural. Go barefoot.
Toilets are unnatural. Go *kitten* in the neighbor's yard.
...
Animals sleep on the ground and use their bare feet. Why can't we? They also eat raw meat. Why can't we? Some species show competition by eating the competitor's babies. Why can't we?
I'm a little tired of being compared to animals.
well technically monkeys throw their poop, so we should too.0 -
We are animals, physiologically. No amount of living in a human society will change that.I'm a little tired of being compared to animals.0 -
Of course, I would like to add that my DH thinks that my naturally occurring estrogen is sometimes a bad thing :glasses: I think he should just avoid irritating me... :mad:0
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We are animals, physiologically. No amount of living in a human society will change that.I'm a little tired of being compared to animals.
Last time I checked, I'm human.0 -
Humans ARE animals.
We are animals, physiologically. No amount of living in a human society will change that.I'm a little tired of being compared to animals.
Last time I checked, I'm human.0 -
What about soy or almond milk?0
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I don't drink milk, I don't enjoy the taste :drinker: I like soy milk :bigsmile:0
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Cows by nature produce up to 10 pounds of milk a day, but the cows the produce the milk we drink are injected with a hormone so they can instead produce a 100 pounds a day.
Seriously? 10 lbs of milk is a little over a gallon. Do you really think a growing calf is going to survive on a gallon of milk a day? And average production for a dairy cow in the US is around 65 lbs a day, though it depends on breed, feeding, etc. Also, it starts at less and grows as the calf grows and lessens as the calf begins to eat solid foods.
My sister-in-law's dairy-farmer father would be dancing jigs if each of his cows consistently produced 100 lbs of milk per day!
Edited to add that there are non-hormonal ways to increase milk production, too. Things like lighting, frequency of milking, and avoiding stress for the cattle will increase milk production without the expense to the farmer of filling his herd with hormones.0 -
If you don't know what is meant with animals and human your thinking is very small
Humans ARE animals.
We are animals, physiologically. No amount of living in a human society will change that.I'm a little tired of being compared to animals.
Last time I checked, I'm human.0 -
I drink almond milk.0
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I have seem some mean and nasty comments on MFP, and they were not removed. Crazy!
Why was my post deleted, i didn't attack anybody? And the post i was replying to was also deleted, and she didn't attack anybody either.Please keep the forum guidelines in mind:
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I appreciate and needed to read your post in order to be reminded why I need to eliminate dairy from my diet! I actually quit dairy during the month of July but started again the middle of August (organic but that doesn't matter does it?). It is Sept. 1st and I need to eliminate it from my diet. I definitely suffer from joint pain and mild osteoarthritis. You have helped to motivate me with these facts, it's not worth it.
Thank you!
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