Gluten is the Devil

Pfft. Lawyers.
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Pfft. Meatheads.

Gluten intolerance maybe?

Just like lactose intolerance.

Another book you might want to read is 'The Paleo Solution' by Robb Wolfe.

I'm not saying go caveman-ish in any sense of the word, but it's actually an entertaining book and goes along similar lines... I'm about to buy 'Wheat Belly' myself, and hope to have some good reading for next week

I'm no doctor, but that's what my wife thinks. Everyone's body handles things differently, and apparently mine hates gluten.

Just thank god your body doesn't hate beef. That would be depressing.

I always thought gluten could only be found in baked goods - it's what gives dough its elasticity. How could it ever turn up in candy? :huh:

Gluten is in a lot of things. It's a serious problem for people with Celiac's. I have a friend who had anal cancer and she has a lot of issues because of it. She's VERy sensitive to gluten. Even if there's a microscopic speck of it on the counter and it gets into, say, a chicken breast, she's sick for hours.

She calls it "getting glutened."

So, if you really and truly have a severe sensitivity to it, you'll know. And avoiding baked goods isn't enough.

It is amazing what it is in - any products using flour, beers, malt extract and vinegars, Vodka and so many other things. They use wheat starch as a thicker/bulking agent and rusk, which is found in burgers and sausages, is another culprit. I've learnt to check everything I use as it is amazing where it can be found - tinned cherries for example.

I have to be so careful and tend to cook most things from scratch and shopping is horrendous.

lol. fabulous. I love your humor.

I also had a similar experience with gluten. I was a vegetarian, a healthy one, for several years while in college. After graduating, I started developing really bad heartburn. I mean BAD, cant breathe/function, bad. I've always had some degree of heart burn even previously when eating meat, but it was out of control. Long story short, dr's kept trying new tests and giving me more and more acid reflux meds and nothing worked. I read that cutting out gluten could help so I tried it and BAM! with in 2 days I was 100% heartburn free---a feeling I'd never ever experienced!

A year later, my blood chemistry is improved and i'm leaner and feel wonderful. Best of all, no heartburn!

Not everyone may be as sensitive to gluten as you or me, but its worth a try for some with particular ailments. Usually, the difference is seen immediately!

Most doctors don't have a clue about nutrition and disease prevention; that's not what they learn.

I see this nonsense on MFP all the time. And while I won't dispute that there are lazy doctors out there that don't keep up wth current research, or that many GP or non-nutrition related specialists are not nutrition experts. I question that "most" doctors don't have a clue about nutrition. I'd like to see statistics on this if anyone has them, but I think it's more often a comment based on a bad experience with a one doctor.

If nutrition advice is needed most GP will refer to or consult with a dietician.

I'm getting quite sick of this crap. When I say "most" doctors, I mean GPs, which are the doctors that most of us get to see. I don't mean nutritional specialists. I'm also talking about my own experiences, information from other people and the conclusions that I have come to through thousands of hours of research; I am not refering to any official statistics, not that I would put any weight in them either (yup, studied statistics, know a bit how they work!). In my experience it is not usually easy to get referred to a specialist at all for anything. I also am not aware if specialists have been educated on disease prevention any more than a GP; that's not how the health industry is currently set up.

I do actually have a clue of medical school curricula (was curious, checked it out) and I have actually had some of my doctors openly admit that they are not educated about nutrition or disease prevention.

Loved the post you're funny and entertaining. But I agree with you regarding gluten. Also, research MSG it is silently making us fat and giving us a lot of the illness that we see today as well. MSG is in the seasonings we use, salad dressing, packaged meals etc etc not to mention every resturant in American add it to the food to make us addicted.

The Wheat Belly book: Worst pseudo-science EVER

And OP probably didn't really experience any benefits of eliminating gluten either, right?

"Hey OP! The "science" doesn't really support what you experienced, so it didn't really happen. Please go back to eating lots of grains. You'll make everyone else feel better about what they eat."

Most doctors don't have a clue about nutrition and disease prevention; that's not what they learn.

I see this nonsense on MFP all the time. And while I won't dispute that there are lazy doctors out there that don't keep up wth current research, or that many GP or non-nutrition related specialists are not nutrition experts. I question that "most" doctors don't have a clue about nutrition. I'd like to see statistics on this if anyone has them, but I think it's more often a comment based on a bad experience with a one doctor.

If nutrition advice is needed most GP will refer to or consult with a dietician.

I'm getting quite sick of this crap. When I say "most" doctors, I mean GPs, which are the doctors that most of us get to see. I don't mean nutritional specialists. I'm also talking about my own experiences, information from other people and the conclusions that I have come to through thousands of hours of research; I am not refering to any official statistics, not that I would put any weight in them either (yup, studied statistics, know a bit how they work!). In my experience it is not usually easy to get referred to a specialist at all for anything. I also am not aware if specialists have been educated on disease prevention any more than a GP; that's not how the health industry is currently set up.

I do actually have a clue of medical school curricula (was curious, checked it out) and I have actually had some of my doctors openly admit that they are not educated about nutrition or disease prevention.

"Thousands of hours of research" on which doctors are well versed in nutrition but you don't know any statistics on the subject? :huh:

There is nothing about gluten that would harm anyone unless you’re allergic to it.

The same is true for poison, thumbtacks, turtle meat and yak balls. I don't eat any of those either.

You should eat those. It's a required part of the "everything in moderation" mindset. To exclude anything from your diet is completely unsustainable.

Interesting..... I went gluten free to help IBS and, after being symptom free for months, I gradually reintroduced it. However, my weight is just not budging and I am definitely getting stiffer and more achy- maybe it's time to drop it again (such a shame as it tastes sooo good!)

Maybe you felt better because it was in your head that you were doing a good thing? I don't believe gluten is a bad thing and if I don't have a medical reason, I see no reason to cut it from my diet personally. Until I do, if I do, I won't be gutting it out. I don't eat much pasta or breads anymore because of it being high in carbs and all, I wish I felt better from doing so, but I don't. To each his own.

Yup, it's all in our heads, diet can't possibly affect health. This is the kind of comment that irks me so badly.

My diet resolved: severe depression, anxiety, anti-social behaviour, indigestion, gas, bloating, acid reflux, ulcers, chronic pain (this was bad enough that I was considering suicide), sleep apnea, insomnia, joint pain, muscle cramps, pre diabetes, headaches, chronic infections/colds/flus/bronchitis, and more.

Many of the health problems are common ailments that people suffer with that don't even know they are sick. For instance, depression, gas, bloating, etc. No, lots of gas is not normal and feeling "down" is not normal.

You don't have to change your diet, but stop discrediting the experience of other people. Thanks.

She wasn't discrediting your experience, just stating her opinion. She clarified that medical reasons could warrant it, but that for her such exclusion wasn't necessary.

Yes she was discrediting the experience by saying "all in your head". That is totally discrediting and also considered verbal abuse.

Poor reading comprehension..........

Pot, meet kettle...

I just saw a post by you a ways back where you talk about not being able to lay on the ground, let alone sleep there. The OP did mention, in response to the post you quoted, that he slept on an air mattress just as comfortable as his bed. Yeah, my reading comprehension is lacking for sure. Perhaps I should start arguing as hard as I can about something that I have no knowledge of and never even tried.

(Yeah, one wouldn't want to lay on the ground. Having any connection with the natural world is just dumb and a waste of time and not proven by science.)

I always thought gluten could only be found in baked goods - it's what gives dough its elasticity. How could it ever turn up in candy? :huh:

Gluten is in a lot of things. It's a serious problem for people with Celiac's. I have a friend who had anal cancer and she has a lot of issues because of it. She's VERy sensitive to gluten. Even if there's a microscopic speck of it on the counter and it gets into, say, a chicken breast, she's sick for hours.

She calls it "getting glutened."

So, if you really and truly have a severe sensitivity to it, you'll know. And avoiding baked goods isn't enough.

It is amazing what it is in - any products using flour, beers, malt extract and vinegars, Vodka and so many other things. They use wheat starch as a thicker/bulking agent and rusk, which is found in burgers and sausages, is another culprit. I've learnt to check everything I use as it is amazing where it can be found - tinned cherries for example.

I have to be so careful and tend to cook most things from scratch and shopping is horrendous.

But how?

I can see it being in beer because of the yeast, but how can it be in something that contains no yeast?

Pot, meet kettle...

I just saw a post by you a ways back where you talk about not being able to lay on the ground, let alone sleep there. The OP did mention, in response to the post you quoted, that he slept on an air mattress just as comfortable as his bed. Yeah, my reading comprehension is lacking for sure. Perhaps I should start arguing as hard as I can about something that I have no knowledge of and never even tried.

(Yeah, one wouldn't want to lay on the ground. Having any connection with the natural world is just dumb and a waste of time and not proven by science.)

I think this is getting blown out of proportion very quickly. The OP was very clearly having a laugh about the whole thing. I'm absolutely positive the person you responded to with the 'in your head' comment didn't mean to offend.

It's Friday, get drunk and have a good weekend.

But how?

I can see it being in beer because of the yeast, but how can it be in something that contains no yeast?

It acts as a stabilizing agent.