Read this and then make jerky comments.
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First, I'd like to state this is not a "OMG PPL ON MFP ARE SO MEAN AND I HATE IT! WAAAH" thread. Because I realize of course some people on here are going to be jerks, jerks are everywhere. I don't even involve myself with them. Also, a lot of the time, it's more funny than mean and some people can just be sensitive..etc.. Also, I'm a pretty big jerk sometimes, and it's kind of great.
But, something that really gets on my nerves is people complaining about people asking the same questions over and over. Who cares. Yes, every day there are new threads asking about water, eating back exercise calories, certain diet or fitness programs, etc. I realize this can seem annoying, but I would never complain about it or say something snarky to the question asker because
1) No one is forcing me to read any thread
2) Not everyone knows what you know. Not everyone has been here for weeks, months, years. Just because you've had the conversation before, doesn't mean they have. Sure, the could easily search the forum for old conversations...but they want to experience it themselves, speak to new people about it, make friends and find support not experience it second hand by reading month old threads that they can't contribute to.
I don't know the exact number, but let's say 80 kajillion new people join MFP each day, aren't they entitled to discover and experience and learn at their own rate?
Do you stand in the library and slap books out of peoples hands while screaming "DON'T READ THAT BOOK. I'VE ALREADY READ IT. LET ME SUMMARIZE IT FOR YOU!" Probably not. But if you do, I'd enjoy watching this. Please let me know.
yup I have seen it too and have to laugh at those people as well as the ones that try and shut people down for questions/suggestions/opinions that are not their own and so not as good and shouldnt be on here lmao ...really??? good post!! no jerky comments here though I am sure you will get more than a few lmao0 -
Beef.0
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Do you stand in the library and slap books out of peoples hands while screaming "DON'T READ THAT BOOK. I'VE ALREADY READ IT. LET ME SUMMARIZE IT FOR YOU!" Probably not. But if you do, I'd enjoy watching this. Please let me know.
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Beef.
It's what's for dinner?0 -
Beef.
It's what's for dinner?
I was told to make jerky comments.0 -
Love it!!! Thanks so much for posting! I've only been on here a few weeks and posted (what I now consider to be the three times daily) eating back calories thread when I first started. I got some great comments & was redirected to previous posts which was super helpful, however one person who was like the third to comment posted "I don't think you understnad how this website works." My immeadate response was a snarky "No s**t Sherlock, that's why I'm posting," but didn't reply back (kinda wish I would have, but I just ended up ignoring them). I love your sense of humor & your prespective on the whole situation....let me know if anyone takes you up on the library comment. I too would love to watch! :laugh:0
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For some reason I have an urge to visit the library.
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Library no, books store maybe.:laugh:
As for the same questions over and over. There is a search option while not great - and the forums are full of crap and you have to search through a lot to find what you want but there is also google, When I want to know something and can't find exactly what i want on the forums I google it because I am sure its on the forums but lost and I do not want to bombard a million people with a question that was answered yesterday and if I can't find it on google than I go to the forums. But in all honesty some of the the questions I have read are ridiculous and should be fairly common knowledge and it does get annoying opening a thread and reading it going back opening the next one and bam its the same question posted an hour after the last one. I usually don't comment on them but truth is it gets annoying.
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Not specifically speaking to the person I quoted, just referencing to your post
You would be surprised how many people that are newbies have no idea about things that people think are common knowledge. Not everyone is experienced and understands a lot that is involved in changing their lifestyle, I feel that is what the forums are here for. When someone posts a thread, depending on how many people are also posting, it can get knocked off the first page in about 2 minutes, and not everyone goes pages back to look at threads, so I think that is why similar questions get asked alot. There are a lot of people on this site, and a lot that have been on here for a long time. If they think some topic is overplayed and been asked a bunch of times, like others said, then move on and don't respond. I think sometimes they make a big deal of it but I think they really like when the constant threads come up because then they can make snarky comments about omg how many times are we gonna see this? I think some people just like to be jerks, plain and simple lol
And not to confuse when people say others are mean when they are trying to give advice, I have seen a lot of people get labeled as being mean, when they are just trying to help and are just not sugar coating it.
I value the opinions of a lot of people on here and have come to realize how many educated people there are on this site. I never understood net calories and the importance of staying around a cal goal thats right for you, and I have been dieting my whole life. This place has given me a lot of knowledge, and when you get to share your own experience and explain why you are asking the question you are and getting responses, it does make a difference instead of trying to find a thread and have to read through pages of nonsense comments to actually find people answering the actual question.
I look at the threads sometimes and see people asking legitimate questions and they barely get any responses, but then someone will post a thread like this or ranting/venting or one just about nonsense and its about 20 pages long. Now that I don't understand. As much as people complain, I think they like being able to make nasty comments, be snarky or some just plain rude, instead of really helping people. Not saying there are a lot of people like that, but there are quite a few I have seen over threads that you see them a lot just being nasty for no reason.
Honestly I just don't understand why people get mad in general, it is the internet, no one is forcing you to sit on a certain thread and make comments. I sit and read a lot of threads just to see the drama unfold, I find it amusing. And I usually only post when I can help the OP or give them my experience or advice because I believe that is what the forums are for no? lol
Just my 2 cents
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I just try to remember that once upon a time, it was ME who had the same old questions......course that doesn't mean I am going to answer it two zillion times, either. I just keep moving on....0
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Beef.
I was told to make jerky comments.
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I think both of these are possible.So..what exactly are you expecting as a result from starting this thread?
World Peace and perhaps my own daytime talk show.
Oh, and I like jerky.0 -
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You just made me spit water everywhere!! LMAO!!
Do you stand in the library and slap books out of peoples hands while screaming "DON'T READ THAT BOOK. I'VE ALREADY READ IT. LET ME SUMMARIZE IT FOR YOU!" Probably not. But if you do, I'd enjoy watching this. Please let me know.
Great post and you are 100% right!! And I need to be your friend! :laugh:0 -
I think about it the same way I do at work with new employees.
I am always super sweet to new crew and very patient, but others can be really rude to them and get frustrated with their lack of knowledge,
I tell them to try and remember what it was like when they first started and knew nothing and just got thrown into it. It can be overwhelming and stressful and you have lots of questions. The best way to get them to grow is to be patient, understanding and answer all their questions the best you can.
I have the same frame of mind when on this site.0 -
didn't they create a stickied FAQ already?
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/23912-links-in-mfp-you-want-to-read-again-and-again0 -
didn't they create a stickied FAQ already?
Sure, but that's not the point. Some people want to just read those posts, get the info and move on. Others want to have their own discussions with other people, learn new things, hear new opinions, etc. Either way works,0 -
YAY!! [JERK MODE ON]
How many people would walk into your library and start yelling at the top of their lungs:
"HEY WHERES THE BOOKS ON...!!??? THEY AREN'T RIGHT HERE! RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME!! SOMEONE GO GET THEM FOR ME RIGHT NOW!!"
In the library there are places to LOOK for the information you want. On ANY forum that is about ANY topic..games, crafts, golf, raising kids, bathing dogs, WEIGHT LOSS, there are these things called STICKIES. These stickies are like a MAP to the library, they tell you all the information you need, and where to go to find anything else you want. Also on ANY forum there's a search which you can use to find other things AFTER you have read the stickies.
I'm sorry to assume that 90% of people who are on this forum have been on the Internet for long enough to know how to search and who probably have also been to at least 1 other 'forum' and have seen a sticky. I've actually been on sites where if you asked a question that was asked in the last 6 months they just deleted your thread so you didn't clog up the board where other people could be asking NEW questions. Considering at least 80% of people here have profile pictures and BIO's they would have to at least have some sort of mental capacity to read and notice the little pictures of locks and pushpins at the top. Possibly their brains could comprehend the messages there..READ ME.. pretty obvious no? The choice NOT to follow these easily laid out instructions is akin to yelling in the library..People are going to get annoyed with you for doing it.
Crying that people are being mean when you have gone out of your way to IGNORE the help that is right THERE..like the first thing you see in this forum...Unless you lack the mental capacity to read - and maybe some people do (but I doubt they would be here) - or have some sort of disorder that makes you stupid (again probably wouldn't be here) - is just wasting everyone's time.
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Do you stand in the library and slap books out of peoples hands while screaming "DON'T READ THAT BOOK. I'VE ALREADY READ IT. LET ME SUMMARIZE IT FOR YOU!" Probably not. But if you do, I'd enjoy watching this. Please let me know.
LOVE, LOVE, LOVE the analogy.....
I don't care how many times people ask a question...I'll answer it 50x if I feel like it or not.....maybe because I get the same questions over and over at work every single day; guess what? I still have to answer the question, but I have some quick start guides I've built to help them out, so I don't always have to repeat myself...sometimes this is enough, other times, I still have to walk them through b/c they don't quite get it.....I don't mind, it's good customer service, they feel like I helped them; if I happen to need their help in the future....they'll bend over backwards to give it to me. I like the scratch my back and I'll scratch yours or you reap what you sew.....I try to make sure it's good. 0 -
First, I'd like to state this is not a "OMG PPL ON MFP ARE SO MEAN AND I HATE IT! WAAAH" thread. Because I realize of course some people on here are going to be jerks, jerks are everywhere. I don't even involve myself with them. Also, a lot of the time, it's more funny than mean and some people can just be sensitive..etc.. Also, I'm a pretty big jerk sometimes, and it's kind of great.
But, something that really gets on my nerves is people complaining about people asking the same questions over and over. Who cares. Yes, every day there are new threads asking about water, eating back exercise calories, certain diet or fitness programs, etc. I realize this can seem annoying, but I would never complain about it or say something snarky to the question asker because
1) No one is forcing me to read any thread
2) Not everyone knows what you know. Not everyone has been here for weeks, months, years. Just because you've had the conversation before, doesn't mean they have. Sure, the could easily search the forum for old conversations...but they want to experience it themselves, speak to new people about it, make friends and find support not experience it second hand by reading month old threads that they can't contribute to.
I don't know the exact number, but let's say 80 kajillion new people join MFP each day, aren't they entitled to discover and experience and learn at their own rate?
Do you stand in the library and slap books out of peoples hands while screaming "DON'T READ THAT BOOK. I'VE ALREADY READ IT. LET ME SUMMARIZE IT FOR YOU!" Probably not. But if you do, I'd enjoy watching this. Please let me know.
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Beef.
It's what's for dinner?
I was told to make jerky comments.
^^^this is why I want a LIKE button. :laugh:0 -
Do you stand in the library and slap books out of peoples hands while screaming "DON'T READ THAT BOOK. I'VE ALREADY READ IT. LET ME SUMMARIZE IT FOR YOU!" Probably not. But if you do, I'd enjoy watching this. Please let me know.
This is funny and glorious analogy. I agree 100%.
Love it! And I wanna come watch too.0 -
But those people aren't writing a new book every time... If I have a question, I tend to search and see if it's already been asked and answered a hundred times before I create a new thread. Just me, I don't need everything spoon fed directly to me.0
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Do you stand in the library and slap books out of peoples hands while screaming "DON'T READ THAT BOOK. I'VE ALREADY READ IT. LET ME SUMMARIZE IT FOR YOU!" Probably not. But if you do, I'd enjoy watching this. Please let me know.
This is funny and glorious analogy. I agree 100%.
I completely disagree. I think the analogy is a horrible one.
A more accurate analogy would be one in which someone goes to a library, but chooses not to read the books, and instead asks other people to summarize the books for them. Those people would prefer cliff notes.
A person who wants cliff notes or crib notes or whatever you want to call them either cannot or will not invest the time in reading the book that they were assigned. Instead, they are choosing for a synopsis, in the end, enabling them to worry less about learning the material and more about getting to an end result...it is a short cut, if you will.
Short cuts, don't help people. Short answers don't help people...and by the way, this is all my opinion...I am not an authority on anything. But from what I have experienced, people who want answers spoon fed to them, forget how to learn. The information they gain is almost pointless because it gets filed incorrectly in their brains. They don't know why they know something, or why something is, just that it is and they should accept it, almost on faith.
This is all hard work. I applaud the efforts of those who try, whether or not they succeed. To me, asking questions you can answer on your with a little effort is akin to not trying.
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But those people aren't writing a new book every time... If I have a question, I tend to search and see if it's already been asked and answered a hundred times before I create a new thread. Just me, I don't need everything spoon fed directly to me.
Neither do I. But some people do. Who am I to deny them that?
I just think everyone should be nice and respectful to each other. But obviously, we're on the internet, this shall never happen.0 -
Do you stand in the library and slap books out of peoples hands while screaming "DON'T READ THAT BOOK. I'VE ALREADY READ IT. LET ME SUMMARIZE IT FOR YOU!" Probably not. But if you do, I'd enjoy watching this. Please let me know.
LOVE, LOVE, LOVE the analogy.....
I don't care how many times people ask a question...I'll answer it 50x if I feel like it or not.....maybe because I get the same questions over and over at work every single day; guess what? I still have to answer the question, but I have some quick start guides I've built to help them out, so I don't always have to repeat myself...sometimes this is enough, other times, I still have to walk them through b/c they don't quite get it.....I don't mind, it's good customer service, they feel like I helped them; if I happen to need their help in the future....they'll bend over backwards to give it to me. I like the scratch my back and I'll scratch yours or you reap what you sew.....I try to make sure it's good.
Same here. I'm in customer service. Answering the same question over and over is common. And yes, the whole thing would be avoided if the client was smart enough to know how to look the answer up for themselves. But then I'd be out of work! :laugh:
Face it. Some people are NOT smart enough to use Google. True story.0 -
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Face it. Some people are NOT smart enough to use Google. True story.
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I bet my mother doesn't know how to use it. She calls my iPod a "walkman". Enough said.0 -
Do you stand in the library and slap books out of peoples hands while screaming "DON'T READ THAT BOOK. I'VE ALREADY READ IT. LET ME SUMMARIZE IT FOR YOU!" Probably not. But if you do, I'd enjoy watching this. Please let me know.
People go to the library to learn and find out information for themselves and dig deep for knowledge, so of course I would never slap a book out of their hands - I may slip them a note of recommendations and give them a kudos though.
But that is not what is happening on MFP.
Unfortunately, MFP is not a community built mostly of people digging for the knowledge to change themselves. Instead it is a community made almost entirely of people who live a life built on excuses and denial who have not yet learned that they even NEED to dig deep into knowledge. They are plagued by propaganda dressed as knowledge they have been gobbling up for years. This training to adopt justification for not changing habits, for finding new reasons why the right things won't work for you specifically, to resist change and to find the easy way or the shortcut.... is not finding knowledge. They want the shortest possible easy answer handed to them fresh and customized on a silver sugar coated platter.
Im talking about newbies, not those who have already 'woken up'.
Those of us that are trying to help, are slapping the wrong perspective out of their heads and putting the right info in their hands.
When someone takes away all the excuses you've been snuggling for years, you get butthurt - or you get moving.0 -
Do you stand in the library and slap books out of peoples hands while screaming "DON'T READ THAT BOOK. I'VE ALREADY READ IT. LET ME SUMMARIZE IT FOR YOU!" Probably not. But if you do, I'd enjoy watching this. Please let me know.
People go to the library to learn and find out information for themselves and dig deep for knowledge, so of course I would never slap a book out of their hands - I may slip them a note of recommendations and give them a kudos though.
But that is not what is happening on MFP.
Unfortunately, MFP is not a community built mostly of people digging for the knowledge to change themselves. Instead it is a community made almost entirely of people who live a life built on excuses and denial who have not yet learned that they even NEED to dig deep into knowledge. They are plagued by propaganda dressed as knowledge they have been gobbling up for years. This training to adopt justification for not changing habits, for finding new reasons why the right things won't work for you specifically, to resist change and to find the easy way or the shortcut.... is not finding knowledge. They want the shortest possible easy answer handed to them fresh and customized on a silver sugar coated platter.
Im talking about newbies, not those who have already 'woken up'.
Those of us that are trying to help, are slapping the wrong perspective out of their heads and putting the right info in their hands.
When someone takes away all the excuses you've been snuggling for years, you get butthurt - or you get moving.
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Do you stand in the library and slap books out of peoples hands while screaming "DON'T READ THAT BOOK. I'VE ALREADY READ IT. LET ME SUMMARIZE IT FOR YOU!" Probably not. But if you do, I'd enjoy watching this. Please let me know.
People go to the library to learn and find out information for themselves and dig deep for knowledge, so of course I would never slap a book out of their hands - I may slip them a note of recommendations and give them a kudos though.
But that is not what is happening on MFP.
Unfortunately, MFP is not a community built mostly of people digging for the knowledge to change themselves. Instead it is a community made almost entirely of people who live a life built on excuses and denial who have not yet learned that they even NEED to dig deep into knowledge. They are plagued by propaganda dressed as knowledge they have been gobbling up for years. This training to adopt justification for not changing habits, for finding new reasons why the right things won't work for you specifically, to resist change and to find the easy way or the shortcut.... is not finding knowledge. They want the shortest possible easy answer handed to them fresh and customized on a silver sugar coated platter.
Im talking about newbies, not those who have already 'woken up'.
Those of us that are trying to help, are slapping the wrong perspective out of their heads and putting the right info in their hands.
When someone takes away all the excuses you've been snuggling for years, you get butthurt - or you get moving.
I agree with you 100%. I'm not against people correcting other people, or offering them up different information. I mostly meant those who complain about threads coming up again and again. Not everyone joined this site on the same day.0 -
YAY!! [JERK MODE ON]
How many people would walk into your library and start yelling at the top of their lungs:
"HEY WHERES THE BOOKS ON...!!??? THEY AREN'T RIGHT HERE! RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME!! SOMEONE GO GET THEM FOR ME RIGHT NOW!!"
In the library there are places to LOOK for the information you want. On ANY forum that is about ANY topic..games, crafts, golf, raising kids, bathing dogs, WEIGHT LOSS, there are these things called STICKIES. These stickies are like a MAP to the library, they tell you all the information you need, and where to go to find anything else you want. Also on ANY forum there's a search which you can use to find other things AFTER you have read the stickies.
I'm sorry to assume that 90% of people who are on this forum have been on the Internet for long enough to know how to search and who probably have also been to at least 1 other 'forum' and have seen a sticky. I've actually been on sites where if you asked a question that was asked in the last 6 months they just deleted your thread so you didn't clog up the board where other people could be asking NEW questions. Considering at least 80% of people here have profile pictures and BIO's they would have to at least have some sort of mental capacity to read and notice the little pictures of locks and pushpins at the top. Possibly their brains could comprehend the messages there..READ ME.. pretty obvious no? The choice NOT to follow these easily laid out instructions is akin to yelling in the library..People are going to get annoyed with you for doing it.
Crying that people are being mean when you have gone out of your way to IGNORE the help that is right THERE..like the first thing you see in this forum...Unless you lack the mental capacity to read - and maybe some people do (but I doubt they would be here) - or have some sort of disorder that makes you stupid (again probably wouldn't be here) - is just wasting everyone's time.
[JERK..OFF :devil: ]
And in the "jerky" but right category... this! :drinker:0
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