Get Off That Treadmill! Cardio is Counterproductive!
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This is exactly right.I only got through page 2 of 6 reading through the comments - so sorry if someone already pointed this out.
The point of the article, as I understand from OP, is not that cardio is bad for you. I took it to mean that if you're doing a cardio session before a weight lifting session, you may fatigue yourself and not get the most out of your lifting session. And, if you do a cardio session after weight lifting, again your muscles might be fatigued. I assumed by cardio they meant hard core cardio, not a cool down on the treadmill to stretch your muscles.
If I read it correctly, then I agree. It doesn't say cardio doesn't have a place at all in your workout regime - only that you shouldn't do it before you're about to hit the weights hard, or after you've already hit the weights.
^^^ I also agree with this.
Then I guess I don't understand why so many posters are all fired up about being denied their cardio .... they're arguing a point that was never made in the first place.
Oh I like you, you say what I'm thinking! lol. Do not know what all the fuss is about. You like cardio, do it. No ones telling you not too, or that it's bad for you,. this article was being written from a weightlifters view about what is good for mass building as I understand it. Not from a marathon runners POV.0 -
Then I guess I don't understand why so many posters are all fired up about being denied their cardio .... they're arguing a point that was never made in the first place.
It's because the reading comprehension on this site is dreadful.
Also this article wasn't published online, only in the magazine. So nobody here who is commenting with such disgust, vigour and sarcasm has actually read it (although I admit it has been grossly mis-interpreted in the OP)
But hey, what's the point in researching anything when you can just post LOLOL UR STUPID!!! and a funny picture.?!0 -
*smashing head into wall*
^^^ this :sad:0 -
Then I guess I don't understand why so many posters are all fired up about being denied their cardio .... they're arguing a point that was never made in the first place.
It's because the reading comprehension on this site is dreadful.
Also this article wasn't published online, only in the magazine. So nobody here who is commenting which such disgust, vigour and sarcasm has actually read it. (although I admit it has been grossly mis-interpreted in the OP)
But hey, what's the point in researching anything when you can just post LOLOL UR STUPID!!! and a funny picture.?!
You are right, we "the people" tend to respond before fully comprehending. I reacted first to the title. Then to a few points in the subject. I knew the content of the article and the point it was trying to make was misrepresented by the OP but I still reacted internally. (I didn't post until I'd calmed myself down haha).
I would say that people are reacting to the inflammatory headline and absurd preface by the OP. The article may be fine, but the title and prelude are the problem.0 -
I just wanted to say congrats to all people who fully failed at reading comprehension and went off on some 'cardio is awesome blah blah blah' rant. I believe the question the OP raised was not 'is weight lifting better then cardio' but 'is it counterproductive to follow a weight lifting session with a cardio session on the same day or should they be separate'.
To all you who got it? /Golfclap.0 -
It doesn't say cardio doesn't have a place at all in your workout regime
Re-read the title.
Yes, the title was obviously meant to shock and get people to open up the thread - but then you read the rest of the post.
(well, apparently some didn't)0 -
I do not separate my cardio and weight lifting sessions. I was advised to do cardio every day because I am REALLY FAT. It is possible that people would be exausted after doing an extended cardio session before lifting or that they wouldn't push themselves as much if they knew they still had time on the treadmill to look forward to. That is not me. I always give it my all. I also switch up my types of cardio (for ex. I might so a lower intensity cardio session on leg days or choose cycling/ spinning on arm days).
Of course, I do have different goals than those that lift "heavy".0 -
Hello folks!
Thank you all for your reply!
It is indeed a controversial topic. Do we separate cardio all together from weights or do we complete all in one session? New developments in the sports science is bound to provide an answer sooner rather than later.
For example, my boyfriend Matt is currently on the bulking stage and performs zero cardio. The psychology is to not waste energy required for growth. The more you loose, the more you need to replenish.
What does the Muscle and Fitness Magazine states regarding the evidence that cardio is counterproductive prior or after lifting?
Quoting:
''Well, usually all we ever hear about, how the body responds to and recovers from training, is hormones - how much testosterone or GH (growth hormone) or cortisol or insulin is produced after a workout. This makes sense because they are known 'anabolic' hormones and, in the case of cortisol, 'catabolic' hormones. However, brief changes in these hormones (as occurs with exercise) don't actually tell us if the body is building or breaking down muscle. Better indicators of muscle growth or atrophy are various enzimes and proteins found in the bloodstream after exercise. These substances actually 'turn on' the muscle-building process (protein synthesis) in the cell and are the very pathways that are actually activated by testosterone and other hormones. "
For my training personally, makes sense to have a break between weight and cardio or at least few hours or dedicate days specific for cardio only.
What's your take?0 -
For my training personally, makes sense to have a break between weight and cardio or at least few hours or dedicate days specific for cardio only.
What's your take?
My take is that if you used a less incendiary title your signal to noise ratio would be better.0 -
Congrats to the OP. You went trolling and you caught a whopper. You should become a trolling consultant.
When all of the muscle heads are dropping like flies prematurely because their weak heart gives out, I wonder how counterproductive cardio will seem to them then.0 -
I don't like to do Cardio and Lifting the same day. But my reason isn't nearly as scientific or biochemical.
Basically, on my calendar there is just one exercise checkbox, so if I lift AND do cardio, I still only get to check the box once. Forget that! I dont like to do stuff unless there is a treat involved. No checkbox to check? PFFT I'm not doing it. LOL
Seriously though, just this week I did a circuit training class then tried to do some of the weight machines after. Pretty sure it wasn't effective since I was tired and kept moving the weight lower and counting like this - One Two Four Seven Ten Twelve done. LOL0 -
Congrats to the OP. You went trolling and you caught a whopper. You should become a trolling consultant.
When all of the muscle heads are dropping like flies prematurely because their weak heart gives out, I wonder how counterproductive cardio will seem to them then.
No congrats must go to you. For the dumbest statement on the thread quite possibly "muscle heads dropping dead prematurely" nice....0 -
Congrats to the OP. You went trolling and you caught a whopper. You should become a trolling consultant.
When all of the muscle heads are dropping like flies prematurely because their weak heart gives out, I wonder how counterproductive cardio will seem to them then.
I do not do cardio as I do not like it - so, it will serve me right if I drop dead of a weak heart?0 -
Well... I decided to see if it was true.
The website article is here.
http://www.muscleandfitness.com/training/other/should-you-do-weight-training-cardio-same-dayHowever, the results of the studies actually showed that performing weight training and cardio on the same day had no negative effects on endurance training, resistance training, or muscle growth. In fact, they found that doing 50 percent less of both types of exercise on the same day produced the same results as doing full workouts devoted to one or the other. So, if you’ve been doing your weight training and cardio on separate days, combine your workout to get more bang for your buck.0 -
I don't believe you. I believe cardio has it's place in fat loss as much as strength training. Cardio helps the heart stay healthy, I'm sure.0
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Well... I decided to see if it was true.
The website article is here.
http://www.muscleandfitness.com/training/other/should-you-do-weight-training-cardio-same-dayHowever, the results of the studies actually showed that performing weight training and cardio on the same day had no negative effects on endurance training, resistance training, or muscle growth. In fact, they found that doing 50 percent less of both types of exercise on the same day produced the same results as doing full workouts devoted to one or the other. So, if you’ve been doing your weight training and cardio on separate days, combine your workout to get more bang for your buck.
Nice!0 -
I don't believe you. I believe cardio has it's place in fat loss as much as strength training. Cardio helps the heart stay healthy, I'm sure.
That's what Muscle and Fitness thinks, too.
OP seems to be trollin...0 -
Oh, snap.Well... I decided to see if it was true.
The website article is here.
http://www.muscleandfitness.com/training/other/should-you-do-weight-training-cardio-same-dayHowever, the results of the studies actually showed that performing weight training and cardio on the same day had no negative effects on endurance training, resistance training, or muscle growth. In fact, they found that doing 50 percent less of both types of exercise on the same day produced the same results as doing full workouts devoted to one or the other. So, if you’ve been doing your weight training and cardio on separate days, combine your workout to get more bang for your buck.0 -
uummm, well, thats not really NEW news! Cardio -especially before you resistance train, can lessen performance and intensity as a result of fatigue, but to say dont do cardio makes about as much since as under-inflating your tires and trying to win the Daytona 500-its not gonna end well. Yes, the best practice is to do it on your off weight training days but often that is not possible. I for one weight train 4 days a week-all bodyparts twice which makes it nearly impossible to do cardio only on days I dont train...I do cardio on saturday and sunday ( off weight training days ) and on wed and if Im training with weights, I make sure my cardio is done on a day im not training legs and after I weight train.0
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This!0 -
I am getting pretty good results combining resistance and cardio. Mind you I'm just a fat girl, and not really training for any athletic events. But the weight is really falling off, and I am just going to keep on keeping on!0
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What's dumb about it? Cardio exercise has been a proven important component of long-term heart health. No cardio means higher risk for cardiac death later in life. It's basic logic really.Congrats to the OP. You went trolling and you caught a whopper. You should become a trolling consultant.
When all of the muscle heads are dropping like flies prematurely because their weak heart gives out, I wonder how counterproductive cardio will seem to them then.
No congrats must go to you. For the dumbest statement on the thread quite possibly "muscle heads dropping dead prematurely" nice....0 -
That's a straw man argument and doesn't deserve a direct response.Congrats to the OP. You went trolling and you caught a whopper. You should become a trolling consultant.
When all of the muscle heads are dropping like flies prematurely because their weak heart gives out, I wonder how counterproductive cardio will seem to them then.
I do not do cardio as I do not like it - so, it will serve me right if I drop dead of a weak heart?
You are simply increasing your risk of cardiac death and cardiovascular disease later in life. It's pretty simple actually.0 -
I wanted to start lifting weights. But at 350 LBs im curious if its safe? I have a bad back too so that doesnt help.
Just start with lighter weights. Even using 2-3 lbs dumb bells while watching tv to get you going.
If and when you belong to a gym meet with a personal trainer to show you how to use the equipment.
Good luck.:happy:0 -
I am getting pretty good results combining resistance and cardio. Mind you I'm just a fat girl, and not really training for any athletic events. But the weight is really falling off, and I am just going to keep on keeping on!
Fat girls unite!
Get it, woman!
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If Dr. Oz or a magazine told people that breathing was bad for them, we could seriously weed out some of the stupid.0
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and if Im training with weights, I make sure my cardio is done on a day im not training legs and after I weight train.
I've been doing cardio after weight training. I am still pretty much a lightweight and began with the weight machines (which aren't all that great, but better than nothing) that were available to me in the apartment gym. I looked up videos on youtube on how to use them, and spend only about 15 minutes max on them after a warmup. But steadily increasing the weight. Then I use the elliptical machine (which is a very nice fitness club quality unit) and been steadily upping the resistance with that, too, using its crosstraining program. I spend a grand total of 45 minutes a day in the gym, 30 minutes being cardio. That combined with logging my diet here on MFP, I've lost over 27 pounds since July.
I feel the truth of what the article I found on Muscle and Fitness in my own limbs. Unsure where the OP got her information from, because it doesn't seem to correspond at all with the article I read and linked to.0 -
@ papadunx... going totally off topic here but had to say it...
I love your profile pic!! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:0 -
I have tried, I can't go lift without a quick warm-up mile on the treadmill. It could be/probably is psychological, but whatever. It makes me feel good 0
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great ideas, can u share more so i can get 10lbs off..0
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