Must READ! from experienced fitness pal...Hunger PANGS

Every person on here must continue their discapline and continue what ever works for them or else the fat will return....beware!

Dun dun dunnnnnn! Lol. *discipline

You are correct, you never did say binge or starve, but I'm pretty sure calling "hunger pangs, torture - anguish - throes" is describing "starving". The same as you saying being gluttonous and eating everything you want whenever you want is not a whole lot different than "bingeing".

Definitions:

starve (stɑːv)

— vb (foll by of or for ) (foll by into )
1. to die or cause to die from lack of food
2. to deprive (a person or animal) or (of a person, etc) to be deprived of food
3. informal ( intr ) to be very hungry

Yes, one may not be dying from lack of food, but the descriptions you gave apply to #s 2 and 3

binge (bɪndʒ)

— n
1. a bout of excessive eating or drinking
2. excessive indulgence in anything

— vb , binges , bingeing , binging , binged

gluttony (ˈɡlʌtənɪ)

— n
the act or practice of eating to excess

I'm pretty sure that both definitions of binge are also the same as living a life of gluttony.

After reading one of your other most recent posts where you described how you lost a lot of weight very quickly, you do seem to be promoting a binge-eating or binge-purge lifestyle. If you truly regularly eat 2000-4000 calories per day and are regularly feeling agonizing hungry, that tells me you are probably bingeing and eating those calories all at one time then purging yourself by exercise or "starving" yourself.

Well, when i defined pang and hunger pang thoes were not my words thoes were the defionitions i found on the first 10 hits google gave me....i dont mean to imply i feel all thoes things half of the time, just some of them...

as far as purge goes, well i dont do that, so i have nothing to say about it

as far as gluttony goes, i will tend to eat something i know i shouldnt eat in excess once a week or less

I'm pretty sure that "I would run up stairs, straight to the fridge and eat those home grown concord grapes...like several cups of grapes...I would then move to the pineapple on the table and consume at least half of it...then I would eat a big can of Swanson canned chicken with black pepper all over it, all while a piece of cod (fish) was being microwaved and if I had any room left in my belly I would have to pick between some cantaloupe or a sandwich with my 25 calorie an ounce turkey but with a triple serving size....all of this would be about 800ish calories" would indicate a binge. So you binge on "healthy" stuff. It's still a binge, and having a binge and then depriving yourself of food until you experience severe enough hunger pains on a regular basis indicates to me that you may need professional help. It's not normal to feel like you have to feel hunger pains even half of your life in order to maintain a healthy weight.

As I said before, most children manage to not live in a binge/starve cycle and maintain their weights. That's because most of us are born with the ability to eat when we're hungry and stop when we're not hungry any longer. We tend to lose this ability as we get older and that's where our weight problems begin. They are made worse by things like emotional eating or binge eating or even just portion distortion. A normal, healthy, human adult who has never had a weight problem or emotional eating problem does not experience hunger pains of any type on a regular basis (let alone half of their life). They get hungry (different from having a *pain*), they eat what they want and they leave what they don't need. I've watched naturally skinny friends eat a small plate of salad and 5 bites of fettucine alfredo and throw the rest out because they weren't hungry any longer. They don't suffer and they enjoy their food.

Just because you cannot seem to strike a balance between gluttony and satisfaction, it doesn't mean that most or even half of the people trying to lose weight will have this problem. I'm sorry for you that you aren't able to improve your relationship with food enough to not have to binge and/or go hungry.

well i am human and i do have short commings just like anyone else, however i hardly call 800 cals a binge...we all know what a binge looks like, we see binges in our friends diarys and they are usually 4 digit binges like 1500 cals or more in one meal...

You can call it whatever you want, but being in that a normal adult does not need more than 4 C of food in their stomach at one time, eating several cups of grapes (3-4 C min) + at least 1/2 a pineapple (1.5 C) + big can of chicken (1 C) + a piece of fish (1 C) + some canteloupe or deli turkey sandwich (1 C) for a minimum of 7-8+ C of food would be a binge by definition being in that it's way in excess of what your body needs. A person can eat a 4 digit meal and not have it be a binge.

I also disagree regarding 'always feeling hunger pangs'. Actually you don't have to feel hunger pangs to lose weight. You just have to make sure that you eat at regular intervals, and that the food you eat has slow-digesting sugars instead of fast ones, and that there's bulk in your food so it's not empty calories. Try to avoid drinking your cals... and instead have whole grains and lots of veggies. You don't have to live with hunger pangs. Your stomach will adjust in size eventually and your liver, bile duct, pancreas etc will also adjust their secretions... so that your body knows when to release those hormones and enzymes and in what amount... then your leptin and grelin situation will get under control. You *do not* have to live with hunger pangs.

I diasagree...hunger is the discomfort that caused you to over eat and gain weight in the first place....the denial of food must continue or else the natural you will over eat and you will gain the weight back....this is true because you are here and you use this website to control and monitor your denial of food...

People who over eat aren't doing it because of hunger. They're doing it for emotional reasons. If you're eating way past your body's hunger point so you're putting on fat, it's your brain telling you you're hungry not your body.

If you're eating so little food you're having physical hunger pains, not mental ones, then you're doing it wrong.

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Ahh....now I want pizza and cake...

Nice reminder. I have a circa 320 calorie pizza in the freezer!
Add some more cherry tomatos, bit more ham, beef and chicken, with a lettuce based side salad and we're talking a filling pizza meal with a coke (zero) for under 400 calories!

For everyone screamin that just because someone chooses to ignore hunger "oh, you must have an eating disorder!!"...STFU!!

No one has to shovel food down their throats just because their stomach growls. Most times your stomach growls BECAUSE it's been longer than 10 minutes since you last ate something...IOW, it's so use to you eating at all hours..its become SPOILED...like an unruly child.

Ok, suppose you were runnin errands..and you took your bad *kitten* beggin kid with
you...to 5 different stores. In every store..your kid pitches a fit because he wants this
and that....IN EVERY STORE!!! Are you gonna give in to him just to shut him up? If you do..he'll never stop beggin..and he'll always be a bad *kitten* kid.

Same thing applies to a growling stomach...keep feeding it every time it growls...your *kitten* will always be fat..feed it when it's REALLY hungry...and not when it's just being a whiney bit¢h....and you will reach a more attractive weight.

JMO :-)

For everyone screamin that just because someone chooses to ignore hunger "oh, you must have an eating disorder!!"...STFU!!

No one has to shovel food down their throats just because their stomach growls. Most times your stomach growls BECAUSE it's been longer than 10 minutes since you last ate something...IOW, it's so use to you eating at all hours..its become SPOILED...like an unruly child.

Ok, suppose you were runnin errands..and you took your bad *kitten* beggin kid with
you...to 5 different stores. In every store..your kid pitches a fit because he wants this
and that....IN EVERY STORE!!! Are you gonna give in to him just to shut him up? If you do..he'll never stop beggin..and he'll always be a bad *kitten* kid.

Same thing applies to a growling stomach...keep feeding it every time it growls...your *kitten* will always be fat..feed it when it's REALLY hungry...and not when it's just being a whiney bit¢h....and you will reach a more attractive weight.

JMO :-)

I want my kid to be a badass.

Ummmm..really?

I don't know too many people who "adore" bad *kitten* kids. Matter of fact, when I see a bad *kitten* kid..actin a fool in the store..all I wanna do is slap the dang parents.

fatties gonna fat

Agree! Mindless grazing, stress eating, and reacting to every hunger pang like we are in danger of starving are the things we have to overcome and avoid the rest of our lives if we want to keep our weight at a healthy stable level.

Couldn't say it better than you!

My problem is that I eat when I don't feel hungry.

Feeling hungry is natural. If you eat well and at the right times of the day then you will feel hungry when your body needs nutrition. In the western world I doubt we know what real 'hunger' is!

Cravings or 'hunger' for chocolate, cakes etc...well that's not about feeling hungry!!!

Disagreeing. There's no reason to feel hunger and deprive yourself to lose weight. If you're hungry...eat. The trick is in what you're eating., and also in learning to distinquish between actual hunger and emotional, or boredom, or other kinds of drives to munch that don't have anything to do with real hunger. To tell yourself you're now on life sentence of hunger discomfort is self defeating, sort of masochistic, and wrong.

When I get hungry, I eat. It's just taking a while for me to identify what is hunger, and what is boredom, thirst, emotional distress, or all the other reasons I feel I must eat.

For me, if I'm "hungry", I ask myself, "how about an apple". If I can't fathom eating an apple, then I'm probably not really hungry.

I don't longingly look at food, because when I'm hungry, I eat it. I've just changed HOW MUCH I eat of that stuff. Before I eat, I weigh, in my mind, if it's worth the calories. If it is, I eat it. If it's not, I pass. Oversimplification of course, but that's the gyst of my plan...

On Weight Watchers, all I thought about was food. When can I have some. How can I have more. How can I eat junk and still have enough points for dinner. This time it's just different for me. I can't do that anymore.

Hunger is not directly related to being FAT. :noway:

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83lbs down... Eat 1400...120g protein, 120g carbs, 50g fat, lots of fresh vegetables and fiber and it's very very rare I feel hungry... Really disagree with your post. If you eat the right things you don't need to be hungry... This lifestyle change doesn't have to be all the things you just made it out to be x


So if your not hungry on this reduced calorie diet, then what caused you to over eat so drastically in the past if you seem to be nearly unable to sense hunger?

Eh. There are some very simple facts there that you are overlooking. I've been doing some self-exploring and experimenting lately, and discovering some VERY basic facts. Actually, so basic, that I'm almost embarrassed to admit I am only learning this at my age.

You can easily eat 5000 calories over the course of a day, OR 2000 calories, and feel MORE full on the 2000 than you might on the 5000.

Food choices. (and YES -I absolutely agree with Dan on the IF and have been considering giving it a go) Truth is, your body get's used to eating at certain times, and you will get hungry at those times.

case in point: if you NEVER eat breakfast, some people don't, and frequently they will say that if they try to eat breakfast they can get sick to their stomachs because they are not used to eating at that time. So you have person A, who does not eat until lunch time, and isn't HUNGRY until lunch. Then you have person B who eats breakfast every day, then one day they (insert reason here) don't get to eat until lunch, and they are STARVING. why? because their body is used to having fuel at X time, and it doesn't appear. All the hunger signals go off, and you are HUNGRY.

if your body gets used to having food at certain times, hunger isn't going to strike at the other times. for the same reason you don't typically get awakened in the middle of the night, every 3-4 hours, because you haven't eaten. (this could happen under certain circumstances, but for the vast majority of people, even on a calorie deficit, they're not dealing with hunger that wakes them up at all hours). Your body adjusts. And I don't even have all the science of leptin and ghrelin(sp?) behind that. Just know that this happens.

now back to my 5000 to 2000 experiment, or the 5000 to 1000 even (not recommending 1000, but go with me here..)...

1. a couple of days ago, I had 3 packs of pop tarts over the course of the day. 1200 Calories. Add a Mocha in there - 400, some pepperoni pizza - 800 calories. so for a few snacks, and one real meal, we've just wiped out 2400 calories. so Yes, getting in 4000 to 5000 calories in a day, pretty dang easy, and not necessarily too much food to make you ill.

2. Having a LARGE volume of vegetables, lean protein, high fiber foods can easily get you through a day without hunger for way less than 2000 calories. I just had a huge bowl of oatmeal with a touch of brown sugar and some applesauce and cinnamon blended in (AMAZING by the way), for less than or around 300 calories (haven't logged the details yet). I'm so freakin stuffed right now my eyeballs are buggin. I could have had well over that in some kind of high calorie drink.


these comments you keep posting about how impossible it must be that people couldn't have gotten fat unless they were hungry - are just uneducated and narrow minded. Aside from the examples above, people eat when they are not hungry. They eat for emotional reasons. They eat just To EAT. They eat because they like food. Hunger - well - I say if it has ANYTHING to do with it, it's a minor reason. Food Choices are absolutely the biggest factor I believe in most cases.

lastly, to reiterate, you could eat 350 calories for a meal, and feel stuffed, as easily as you could eat 2000 calories for a meal, and feel just as stuffed.

All I can do is :noway: at this theory and agree that this has to be trolling..

All I can do is :noway: at this theory and agree that this has to be trolling..

It doesn't have to be trolling. I am still constantly amazed at the dipsh!ttery that some of these dipsh!ts spout.

It is a form of extreme suffering for me that I cannot eat what I want whenever I want. The fact that I cannot eat taco bell, cakes, cookies, and spaghetti and meatballs in whatever amount I desire causes me daily misery. The fact that I cannot eat until I am sick whenever I want is very stressful and has deprived me of a coping mechanism for which there will never be an adequate substitute. It's simply a reality that I will always have to live with if I want to be healthy and for right now, I am ok with that.