Do you think milk is safe?
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Try raw, grass-fed milk from a local dairy farmer.
I don't think I'd drink raw milk unless I was raising the cow myself, and even then I'd think twice. The number of disease that can be passed cow-to-human through milk is staggering, and most of them are really bad ways to go. That doesn't mean you have to drink ultra-pasteurized milk that's pretty much just done for store shelf-life purposes; a lower-temperature pasteurization will still kill off tuberculosis, brucellosis, diptheria...
If you do go for raw milk, ask your local farmer a lot of questions about the health of the cows and the conditions they (and the milk!) are kept in. This is one of those cases where poor cleanliness can kill you.
I would totally go for raw milk if it were an option. It seems to me that these farmers are the small, family farms that call their cows by name. (My uncle used to do that.) I am much more concerned with large, factory farms than the smaller ones. But alas, it's not an option for me. It isn't an option for most people. In some places it's a grey market, and in others, it's a black market.
I used to have a good hook-up on goat's milk, which is also super-yummy. (especially chocolate!) But that guy moved his family and his goats way out of town, so it's too far to make it worth it anymore. :ohwell:0 -
Actually, it is a common misconception that cow's milk, as it comes from the cow, is full of fat. Whole milk, 2%, and 1% all have added fat. Nonfat milk has no added fat.
...where does butter come from?
Butter is a milk product. Keep in mind that I didn't say that cow's milk did not have fat. What I said was that anything that is not nonfat/skim milk has added fat.0 -
so the fat in milk is healthy?
http://caloriecount.about.com/saturated-fat-facts-nf606
Tell me more about how healthy saturated fat is.
Saturated fat is healthy. :bigsmile:
It's best to have a mix of various fats, in order to get all the amino acids your body needs.0 -
lactose intolerance stats
Lactose Intolerant Statistics
Total percentage of people who are lactose intolerant 33%
Total percentage of adults that have a decrease in lactase activity 75%
Total percentage of people who maintain ability to digest lactose after childhood 40%
Total number of Americans who are lactose intolerant 40 million
Total percent of all African-American, Jewish, Mexican-American, and Native American Adults who are lactose intolerant 75%
Total percent of Asian-Americans that are lactose intolerant 90%
Average amount of time it takes for side effects of lactose intolerance to occur after intake 30 min
As you can see only about 40% of people don't have lactose intolerance.
http://www.statisticbrain.com/lactose-intolerance-statistics/
Lies lies and damed statistics. They are very one sided. There are reasons for some of those outside of diet as far as I am aware, especially the asian.
This is why people are reluctant to post stats here, no one believes them when you do so why the hell do they even ask? I could post definative proof of something and just because someone doesn't like the truth they'd say it's wrong.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/tech/science/2009-08-30-lactose-intolerance_N.htm0 -
We're the only species that drinks another animal's milk
My cat drinks cows milk.
Not naturally (in the wild - part of an animals natural diet) -- your cat drinks it because you give it to him/her. And BTW, most vets would suggest you stop.
The tile floor in this pic leads me to believe that these rats are not in the wild....
Hmmm... I would be surprised if it were found that these are pets. I can't believe someone would have that many mice as pets. But who knows with an internet picture. :laugh:0 -
so the fat in milk is healthy?
http://caloriecount.about.com/saturated-fat-facts-nf606
Tell me more about how healthy saturated fat is.
Saturated fat is healthy. :bigsmile:
It's best to have a mix of various fats, in order to get all the amino acids your body needs.
If saturated fat is so healthy where are there no daily recommendations of it?0 -
so the fat in milk is healthy?
http://caloriecount.about.com/saturated-fat-facts-nf606
Tell me more about how healthy saturated fat is.
Saturated fat is healthy. :bigsmile:
It's best to have a mix of various fats, in order to get all the amino acids your body needs.
If saturated fat is so healthy where are there no daily recommendations of it?
Are you suggesting that science is complete? And that the proposed RDA's are an absolute for every individual? Or that they aren't already merely estimates?
Wikipedia isn't my favorite of sources, but just for quick reference:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat_content_of_milk
The fat content that occurs naturally in milk is generally removed to make other products. But the milk that you purchase in the store has fat added back to it to give it flavor. That fat serves no other purpose. Skim (nonfat) milk does not have any fat added back to it.0 -
Butter is a milk product. Keep in mind that I didn't say that cow's milk did not have fat. What I said was that anything that is not nonfat/skim milk has added fat.
That's only because they skim -all- the milk and then add some of the cream (fat) back, before they homogenize it. Otherwise it would be nearly much more difficult to tell if milk was 2%, given the variability of milk fat percentages naturally. All the milk comes in to the processing plant, aggregated from many different farms with many different cows, and it all goes through one processing line to be pasteurized. It's all skimmed, and the cream is used to make cream and butter, and then portions of it are returned to the whole milk and 2% milk before mechanically homogenizing them and bottling them.0 -
so the fat in milk is healthy?
http://caloriecount.about.com/saturated-fat-facts-nf606
Tell me more about how healthy saturated fat is.
Saturated fat is healthy. :bigsmile:
It's best to have a mix of various fats, in order to get all the amino acids your body needs.
If saturated fat is so healthy where are there no daily recommendations of it?
Are you suggesting that science is complete? And that the proposed RDA's are an absolute for every individual? Or that they aren't already merely estimates?
Wikipedia isn't my favorite of sources, but just for quick reference:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat_content_of_milk
The fat content that occurs naturally in milk is generally removed to make other products. But the milk that you purchase in the store has fat added back to it to give it flavor. That fat serves no other purpose. Skim (nonfat) milk does not have any fat added back to it.
Oh big surprise. I actually post a source and people don't believe it because the notion that milk is not healthy is so foreign and scary.
As for skim, you get a higher concentration of casein, a common allergen if you aren't having more fat in there.0 -
lactose intolerance stats
Lactose Intolerant Statistics
Total percentage of people who are lactose intolerant 33%
Total percentage of adults that have a decrease in lactase activity 75%
Total percentage of people who maintain ability to digest lactose after childhood 40%
Total number of Americans who are lactose intolerant 40 million
Total percent of all African-American, Jewish, Mexican-American, and Native American Adults who are lactose intolerant 75%
Total percent of Asian-Americans that are lactose intolerant 90%
Average amount of time it takes for side effects of lactose intolerance to occur after intake 30 min
As you can see only about 40% of people don't have lactose intolerance.
http://www.statisticbrain.com/lactose-intolerance-statistics/
Lies lies and damed statistics. They are very one sided. There are reasons for some of those outside of diet as far as I am aware, especially the asian.
This is why people are reluctant to post stats here, no one believes them when you do so why the hell do they even ask? I could post definative proof of something and just because someone doesn't like the truth they'd say it's wrong.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/tech/science/2009-08-30-lactose-intolerance_N.htm
No study is definitive proof until the study has been recreated multiple times. Nothing is accepted as fact until the results are reproduced many times over.0 -
The milk that is brought from farms to factories are all with different fat levels. But we expect to see a certain percentaince of fat in our dairy products. It would be very difficult to remove a different part of fat each time. So the fat is removed from the milk and then a certain amount of the very same fat is put back in to skimmed milk. The technology is working like that.
There is huge variety of fatty acids in milk - something like 400 different.... About saturated fat. Yes. Milk contain saturated fat but when talking about fatty acids you should also mention the carbon chain length. Milk contains easily digested short chain fatty acids that happen to be saturated. Approximately 30% of fatty acids is C16:0 that can be considered as 'bad' but you can get much more from your nice slice of bacon at breakfast. Milk contains also CLA, omega fatty acids etc etc etc. Also dreaded trans fatty acids but they are natural and not in the gang of bad guys that are made in factories from cheap vegetable oils. BTW CLA is also trans.0 -
so the fat in milk is healthy?
http://caloriecount.about.com/saturated-fat-facts-nf606
Tell me more about how healthy saturated fat is.
Saturated fat is healthy. :bigsmile:
It's best to have a mix of various fats, in order to get all the amino acids your body needs.
If saturated fat is so healthy where are there no daily recommendations of it?
Are you suggesting that science is complete? And that the proposed RDA's are an absolute for every individual? Or that they aren't already merely estimates?
Wikipedia isn't my favorite of sources, but just for quick reference:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat_content_of_milk
The fat content that occurs naturally in milk is generally removed to make other products. But the milk that you purchase in the store has fat added back to it to give it flavor. That fat serves no other purpose. Skim (nonfat) milk does not have any fat added back to it.
Oh big surprise. I actually post a source and people don't believe it because the notion that milk is not healthy is so foreign and scary.
As for skim, you get a higher concentration of casein, a common allergen if you aren't having more fat in there.
Milk is not good for people with allergies and intolerances. That is a given. But that doesn't mean it is not healthy for those who are not allergic or intolerant. I have better things to do today. The information is out there. If you choose to ignore it, distort it, or remain closed-minded in your views, then that is your choice. Avoid milk all you choose. But the studies that you are basing your beliefs on cannot be repeated, have not been repeated, and cannot be accepted as general fact until they are. You really should learn more about statistical research as a whole, and then research the topic from a less biased standpoint.
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Most people tend to dismiss studies and statistics because it's so easy to present them out of context and misinterpret the results. And really the purpose of research isn't to prove anything. It is to either disprove a hypothesis or suggest other areas of research.lactose intolerance stats
Lactose Intolerant Statistics
Total percentage of people who are lactose intolerant 33%
Total percentage of adults that have a decrease in lactase activity 75%
Total percentage of people who maintain ability to digest lactose after childhood 40%
Total number of Americans who are lactose intolerant 40 million
Total percent of all African-American, Jewish, Mexican-American, and Native American Adults who are lactose intolerant 75%
Total percent of Asian-Americans that are lactose intolerant 90%
Average amount of time it takes for side effects of lactose intolerance to occur after intake 30 min
As you can see only about 40% of people don't have lactose intolerance.
http://www.statisticbrain.com/lactose-intolerance-statistics/
Lies lies and damed statistics. They are very one sided. There are reasons for some of those outside of diet as far as I am aware, especially the asian.
This is why people are reluctant to post stats here, no one believes them when you do so why the hell do they even ask? I could post definative proof of something and just because someone doesn't like the truth they'd say it's wrong.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/tech/science/2009-08-30-lactose-intolerance_N.htm0 -
All of our livestock are injected with hormones and antibiotics. I don't think this is safe, and prefer to drink organic milk, almond milk, or rice milk instead. I wish I could afford organic meats, but not at this point.
Two thirds of humans are lactose intolerant (the percentage is much larger if you look at middle eastern, african, and asian populations as opposed to people of European descent). Furthermore, humans are the only species that consume milk past infancy. So the idea that it is an essential part of a mammalian diet is ridiculous.
As a proud dairy producer, I can attest to the fact that not ALL livestock are injected with hormones and antibotics. Actually it's these statements that drive me mad because you can't blanket all things together in any manner. There are a good many dairy producers out there that take great care of their animals to produce a product that is safe for your families to drink. So please don't use the phrase ALL when you obviously don't know what you are talking about.0 -
so the fat in milk is healthy?
http://caloriecount.about.com/saturated-fat-facts-nf606
Tell me more about how healthy saturated fat is.
http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.co.uk/2011/01/does-dietary-saturated-fat-increase.html
We can quote rubbish off the internet all day.
I actually saw one study quoted on here the other day that showed a greater increase in the blood cholesterol of subjects on a low-fat diet. People who consumed a range of fats actually had lower cholesterol - so what's your point?
Dietary science is - how shall I put this diplomatically? - extremely iffy.... there are a handful of conflicting studies, that were done under limited scope which have now become the basis for 99% of crap talked on the internet. Just ignore them and get on with living your life.....
Want some real advice? Eat a balanced diet (that includes fats), exercise well and eat at a slight calorific deficit and you'll lose weight and like the body/internal organs you're left with after you're done. There's no real magic involved!0 -
LOL - deserves 'best post' award on this thread :bigsmile:0 -
so the fat in milk is healthy?
http://caloriecount.about.com/saturated-fat-facts-nf606
Tell me more about how healthy saturated fat is.
Saturated fat is healthy. :bigsmile:
It's best to have a mix of various fats, in order to get all the amino acids your body needs.
If saturated fat is so healthy where are there no daily recommendations of it?
I feel sorry for anyone who trusts the U.S. Government, especially when it comes to health. Science is politically incorrect, ergo, public policy often contradicts science.0 -
And why do you assume that all people here are from US and refer to the science done only in US?
BTW you should be more proud at the scientists over there. They have done awesome job!0 -
so the fat in milk is healthy?
http://caloriecount.about.com/saturated-fat-facts-nf606
Tell me more about how healthy saturated fat is.
Saturated fat is healthy. :bigsmile:
It's best to have a mix of various fats, in order to get all the amino acids your body needs.
If saturated fat is so healthy where are there no daily recommendations of it?
I feel sorry for anyone who trusts the U.S. Government, especially when it comes to health. Science is politically incorrect, ergo, public policy often contradicts science.
This is one of those areas where a little bit of truth can be dangerous. The push by the government and many doctors is to try in steer people in the right direction because many people will hold onto a little information and run with it to an unintended degree. There is evidence that humans do need some saturated fat in their diet but most Americans get way too much.0 -
so the fat in milk is healthy?
http://caloriecount.about.com/saturated-fat-facts-nf606
Tell me more about how healthy saturated fat is.
http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.co.uk/2011/01/does-dietary-saturated-fat-increase.html
We can quote rubbish off the internet all day.
I actually saw one study quoted on here the other day that showed a greater increase in the blood cholesterol of subjects on a low-fat diet. People who consumed a range of fats actually had lower cholesterol - so what's your point?
Dietary science is - how shall I put this diplomatically? - extremely iffy.... there are a handful of conflicting studies, that were done under limited scope which have now become the basis for 99% of crap talked on the internet. Just ignore them and get on with living your life.....
Want some real advice? Eat a balanced diet (that includes fats), exercise well and eat at a slight calorific deficit and you'll lose weight and like the body/internal organs you're left with after you're done. There's no real magic involved!
Well said!0 -
I have milk in my coffee every day. I try to avoid milk produced with Recombinant bovine growth hormone (rBGH). Not enough is known about it.0
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As much as I would love to give my opinion on this... I don't have the time or the energy for the backlash that will come from it as has happened the last time I entered one of these discussions... Honestly when it comes to something like this, your best option is going to be to study it for yourself and decide what you think is right. All you are getting on here is 85% bs arguments from people who "know everything", 13% people who just like making smartash comments, and about 2% of people who have actually bothered to research the topic from indifferent resources... Best of luck...0
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lactose intolerance stats
Lactose Intolerant Statistics
Total percentage of people who are lactose intolerant 33%
Total percentage of adults that have a decrease in lactase activity 75%
Total percentage of people who maintain ability to digest lactose after childhood 40%
Total number of Americans who are lactose intolerant 40 million
Total percent of all African-American, Jewish, Mexican-American, and Native American Adults who are lactose intolerant 75%
Total percent of Asian-Americans that are lactose intolerant 90%
Average amount of time it takes for side effects of lactose intolerance to occur after intake 30 min
As you can see only about 40% of people don't have lactose intolerance.
http://www.statisticbrain.com/lactose-intolerance-statistics/
Where did you get 60% from? The first line states "Total percentage of people who are lactose intolerant 33%"0 -
Actually, it is a common misconception that cow's milk, as it comes from the cow, is full of fat. Whole milk, 2%, and 1% all have added fat. Nonfat milk has no added fat.
Ummmm.... no. Raw cow's milk contains approx 5% fat. Milk does not contain added fat.
I am a chemist who has worked in the lab in a dairy plant and now test raw milk for the regulatory agency in Canada (for 18 years - I'm not new to this
). 1%, 2% and "whole" milk (3.5% fat - called homogenized here in Canada), are all "partly skimmed". Non-fat milk is fully skimmed. Doesn't matter which country we're talking about; cows are cows 
Before homogenizing, raw milk separates and the fat rises to the top, much in the way oil floats on water, as any daiy farmer can attest to. The fat can then be skimmed off and used to make cheese, cream, butter, and other high-fat dairy products. The only thing that is removed in the skimming process is the fat and anything that dissolves in the fat. This includes things like fat-soluble vitamins (most specifically A & D), but also fat-soluble undesirables like dioxin and PCB residues, which are present in the environment (always have been to some degree) and are present in fatty substances in most living beings. All protein and water-soluble vitamins are still present after skimming. In Canada, dairies add vitamins A & D back into our milk - that is the ONLY thing that is added to regular white milk of any fat content.
I can't speak to the rBGH issue, as in Canada, we do not use it. Our lab that tests hormones does not find hormones in Canadian milk, but I am not familiar with the American or UK results at this time. Same goes for antibiotics - we don't find any in Canadian milk - as long as the farmers follow the withdrawl times for the medications required by the cattle for their good health, the antibiotics clear the cow's system and the milk is again antibiotic-free.
I personally love dairy foods, and I drink skim milk almost daily, especially on my Cheerios :happy: . If you are lactose intolerant, don't consume it. I am one of the lucky ones who can. Saying that because some people are lactose intolerant means all people shouldn't have it is like saying that because some people can't eat nuts means they must be bad for everyone: ridiculous :laugh:0 -
Butter is a milk product. Keep in mind that I didn't say that cow's milk did not have fat. What I said was that anything that is not nonfat/skim milk has added fat.
That's only because they skim -all- the milk and then add some of the cream (fat) back, before they homogenize it. Otherwise it would be nearly much more difficult to tell if milk was 2%, given the variability of milk fat percentages naturally. All the milk comes in to the processing plant, aggregated from many different farms with many different cows, and it all goes through one processing line to be pasteurized. It's all skimmed, and the cream is used to make cream and butter, and then portions of it are returned to the whole milk and 2% milk before mechanically homogenizing them and bottling them.
Well Said! I hadn't seen your reply when I posted, but this absolutely completes my rant :flowerforyou:0 -
so the fat in milk is healthy?
http://caloriecount.about.com/saturated-fat-facts-nf606
Tell me more about how healthy saturated fat is.
Saturated fat is healthy. :bigsmile:
It's best to have a mix of various fats, in order to get all the amino acids your body needs.
If saturated fat is so healthy where are there no daily recommendations of it?
The problem with saturated fat is that there are many different types of fatty acids, some of which are beneficial some of which are not. For example, milk contains lauric acid which had been shown to have high HDLs - which is a good thing.0 -
lactose intolerance stats
Lactose Intolerant Statistics
Total percentage of people who are lactose intolerant 33%
Total percentage of adults that have a decrease in lactase activity 75%
Total percentage of people who maintain ability to digest lactose after childhood 40%
Total number of Americans who are lactose intolerant 40 million
Total percent of all African-American, Jewish, Mexican-American, and Native American Adults who are lactose intolerant 75%
Total percent of Asian-Americans that are lactose intolerant 90%
Average amount of time it takes for side effects of lactose intolerance to occur after intake 30 min
As you can see only about 40% of people don't have lactose intolerance.
http://www.statisticbrain.com/lactose-intolerance-statistics/
Funny you use that site for information. I found this there:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/11/051108083832.htm
"A Fatty Acid Found In Milk May Help Control Inflammatory Diseases"
The point is, if you are not lactose intolerant, I have yet to see anything that supports that, on balance, milk is detrimental to health.0 -
Yes, I think milk is as safe for most people.0
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And why do you assume that all people here are from US and refer to the science done only in US?
BTW you should be more proud at the scientists over there. They have done awesome job!
I don't know if other countries, other than the UK, even have "government-recommended" daily allowances. I *love* our scientists, just not the bureaucrats who choose to ignore their findings. The cannabis hemp plant is the quintessential example of how the U.S. government chooses to ignore science in favor of "popular" public policy. Other countries actually allow research on the plant and are far ahead of the U.S. in that field, especially Spain.0
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