Protein?? How do I eat less of it

I aim to get my protein and my fibre into the red every day.

Yes, you can eat too much protein! The worst osteoporosis in the world is among the Inuit people who eat mostly animal foods. Among the strongest bones in the world are the people in the mountains of Peru, where they eat very little animal foods. An average person can only use about 15-17 grams of protein per meal, the rest will be broken down, the amine part becomes urea, the acid part is burned as fuel or stored as fat. This lowers, or acidifies, the pH in the body, resulting in pulling minerals out of the bones to alkalize the blood which must be about pH of 7.4. I once treated a man for depression. (I am an RD/LDN) He had been a body builder and surfer in Hawaii. He drank a lot of whey protein shakes, which are acidifying to the blood. His spine lost its strength, and he had three surgeries to fuse it. Eat a well balanced diet. The RDA for protein is estimated at 150% of daily need. calculate by taking the body weight in kilos times 0.8 for men. Actual need is 2/3 of that. For women it is calculated as body weight in kilos times 0.66. Again, actual need is 2/3 that amount. These figures are for healthy people only. But the MFP recommendations for protein are NOT too low! They will protect you.

Yes, you can eat too much protein! The worst osteoporosis in the world is among the Inuit people who eat mostly animal foods. Among the strongest bones in the world are the people in the mountains of Peru, where they eat very little animal foods. An average person can only use about 15-17 grams of protein per meal, the rest will be broken down, the amine part becomes urea, the acid part is burned as fuel or stored as fat. This lowers, or acidifies, the pH in the body, resulting in pulling minerals out of the bones to alkalize the blood which must be about pH of 7.4. I once treated a man for depression. (I am an RD/LDN) He had been a body builder and surfer in Hawaii. He drank a lot of whey protein shakes, which are acidifying to the blood. His spine lost its strength, and he had three surgeries to fuse it. Eat a well balanced diet. The RDA for protein is estimated at 150% of daily need. calculate by taking the body weight in kilos times 0.8 for men. Actual need is 2/3 of that. For women it is calculated as body weight in kilos times 0.66. Again, actual need is 2/3 that amount. These figures are for healthy people only. But the MFP recommendations for protein are NOT too low! They will protect you.

Just eat your food and stop worring about "starches or fats"

weight loss is about calories nothing else.

Protein consumption is overrated. Ask any vegan bodybuilders (cough cough).

If you eat normally, you will get what you need, if you don't your body will make sure whatever you get in is optimized. People keep on saying "you need protein for your muscles blah blah blah" Yet they don't know carbs are more muscle sparing than protein.

Yes, you can eat too much protein! The worst osteoporosis in the world is among the Inuit people who eat mostly animal foods. Among the strongest bones in the world are the people in the mountains of Peru, where they eat very little animal foods. An average person can only use about 15-17 grams of protein per meal, the rest will be broken down, the amine part becomes urea, the acid part is burned as fuel or stored as fat. This lowers, or acidifies, the pH in the body, resulting in pulling minerals out of the bones to alkalize the blood which must be about pH of 7.4. I once treated a man for depression. (I am an RD/LDN) He had been a body builder and surfer in Hawaii. He drank a lot of whey protein shakes, which are acidifying to the blood. His spine lost its strength, and he had three surgeries to fuse it. Eat a well balanced diet. The RDA for protein is estimated at 150% of daily need. calculate by taking the body weight in kilos times 0.8 for men. Actual need is 2/3 of that. For women it is calculated as body weight in kilos times 0.66. Again, actual need is 2/3 that amount. These figures are for healthy people only. But the MFP recommendations for protein are NOT too low! They will protect you.

Just eat your food and stop worring about "starches or fats"

weight loss is about calories nothing else.

Protein consumption is overrated. Ask any vegan bodybuilders (cough cough).

If you eat normally, you will get what you need, if you don't your body will make sure whatever you get in is optimized. People keep on saying "you need protein for your muscles blah blah blah" Yet they don't know carbs are more muscle sparing than protein.

Just eat your food and stop worring about "starches or fats"

weight loss is about calories nothing else.

Protein consumption is overrated. Ask any vegan bodybuilders (cough cough).

If you eat normally, you will get what you need, if you don't your body will make sure whatever you get in is optimized. People keep on saying "you need protein for your muscles blah blah blah" Yet they don't know carbs are more muscle sparing than protein.

So, I personally do not know of any vegan builders but there are some...But I just went through my vegetarian lifter friends diary she eats significantly more protein then me that is higher then the recommendation. And then I checked my non lifting vegan friends diary and she also eats more then the recommendation. There was also a vegan guy who stopped by my parents house who is big on protein...it solved allot of his health problems.

Also, all studies I have ever read comparing a high protein diet to any other seems to indicate that you retain more muscle with a high protein diet. I've yet to see one that shows increasing any of the other macro-nutrients retains muscle any better.

Steroids and muscle growth

There was a steroid study that contained 43 men who were experienced weight lifters. There were 4 groups in the study.
* Group 1: NO EXERCISE + NO STERIODS
* Group 2: EXERCISE + NO STERIODS
* Group 3: NO EXERCISE + WEEKLY STEROID INJECTION
* Group 4: EXERCISE + WEEKLY STEROID INJECTION.

Each member of this study consumed roughly 120g of protein (which is on the lower side of current recommendations) and about 16calories per pound of bodyweight.

Group 1: no gain in LBM
Group 2: gained 4.5lbs
Group 3: gained more than group 1
Group 4: gained over 13lbs of LBM

120g of protein was sufficient protein to be able to build up to 13lbs of LBM.
[Bhasin S, 1996].

Lacto-ovo vegeterians

Lacto-ovo vegeterians(I’ll just call them veggie’s for short) Consume about 79g of protein and about 450 calories less than non-vegetarians. Non veggie’s consume about 138g of protein on a daily basis. Both groups in this study gained between 2-5lbs of LBM. The point of this study is to show once you meet the minimum requirements you don’t need more protein. Remember 5lbs of LBM is what can be gained with a good resistance plan. In this study both groups came close to average results, even the veggies who ate very low amounts of protein.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14600563

Renal Disease

People with renal disease must consume low amounts of protein to delay their disease. They must under 0.3g of protein per pound of body weight. A man of 160lbs would consume 48g of protein. Their disease is highly catabolic(breaks down their muscles). One group lifted weights while the other group did not. Even with ridiculous low amount of protein the group that lifted weights had a slight increase of LBM. The group who didn’t do any resistance training? They lost 7lbs of LBM. This shows how powerful resistance training can be.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11730397

Excessive calories

In this study both groups consumed 2010 calories in addition to their normal daily intake. Group 1 also consumed an additional 106g of protein and group 2 consumed only an extra 24g of protein. The results are group 1 gained 6lbs of lBM and group 2 gained 7.5lbs while consuming roughly 120g of protein total. Yes the LOWER protein group gained LBM than the higher protein group.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11591884


I think there is 10 studies all together.

• Tarnopolsky et al. (1992) observed no differences in whole body protein synthesis or indexes of lean body mass in strength athletes consuming either 0.64g/lb or 1.10g/lb over a 2 week period. Protein oxidation did increase in the high protein group, indicating a nutrient overload.
• Walberg et al. (1988) found that 0.73g/lb was sufficient to maintain positive nitrogen balance in cutting weightlifters over a 7 day time period.
• Tarnopolsky et al. (1988) found that only 0.37g/lb was required to maintain positive nitrogen balance in elite bodybuilders (over 5 years of experience, possible previous use of androgens) over a 10 day period. 0.45g/lb was sufficient to maintain lean body mass in bodybuilders over a 2 week period. The authors suggested that 0.55g/lb was sufficient for bodybuilders.
• Lemon et al. (1992) found no differences in muscle mass or strength gains in novice bodybuilders consuming either 0.61g/lb or 1.19g/lb over a 4 week period. Based on nitrogen balance data, the authors recommended 0.75g/lb.
• Hoffman et al. (2006) found no differences in body composition, strength or resting hormonal concentrations in strength athletes consuming either 0.77g/lb or >0.91g/lb over a 3 month period.

LOL this again? The last time I seen you post this people argued with you for 6 pages and noted you had incorrect info from the beginning, changed it again (group info), got the results wrong, and others also noted info was left out (they were also taking creatine) and Acg67 kept telling you why you were incorrect over everything you said. If anyone wants to discuss it they should check out the thread you posted it in:
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/787083-muscle-growth-protein-recommendations-highly-over-rated

Given that those intelligent scientific minded people I know read it still agree the protein recommendations are low, I'm not going to read all that all over again. Not to mention since I upped my protein my nails and hair got nicer