Eating "junk" and losing weight?
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Yeah I don't need to read Wikipedia I already said it falls under the FAT umbrella, that is not really the point.. Point is there far superior fat macros to choose from, you do NOT need trans fat in your diet.. I am honestly quite shocked that people are saying you NEED it .. Especially someone who post there whole resume in their signature should know better.
I can drink a cup of high fructose corn syrup and say I got my carbs for the day, but it is ignorance to say that is the best option to meet that macro need in your diet, But hell do whatever you want.
Right. You're arguing against a nutrient. That's my entire point all thread long.
Look at the nutrients in the food, not whether it's "healthy" or "processed" or "fast."
Nutrients are what matter. Nutrients. Pay attention to the actual nutrients.
Am I clear yet? Nutrients.
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Yeah I don't need to read Wikipedia I already said it falls under the FAT umbrella, that is not really the point.. Point is there far superior fat macros to choose from, you do NOT need trans fat in your diet.. I am honestly quite shocked that people are saying you NEED it .. Especially someone who post there whole resume in their signature should know better.
I can drink a cup of high fructose corn syrup and say I got my carbs for the day, but it is ignorance to say that is the best option to meet that macro need in your diet, But hell do whatever you want.
Right. You're arguing against a nutrient. That's my entire point all thread long.
Look at the nutrients in the food, not whether it's "healthy" or "processed" or "fast."
Nutrients are what matter. Nutrients. Pay attention to the actual nutrients.
Am I clear yet? Nutrients.
But it is not that simple, it does matter where those nutrients are stemming from. So you do need to pay attention to more than the nutrient being supplied.
Am I clear yet? Nutrient Source 0 -
Have to agree here. Like saturated fat, it's need to be limited so it doesn't impact health...... Yes. Trans fat is a macronutrient.
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According to the National Academy of Sciences' Institute of Medicine, there is no safe level of trans fat. None. You should not ingest that substance at all. They didn't say eat it in moderation. They said to avoid it.
Yes. It is a macronutrient. There is nothing relevant to this discussion in that fact.0 -
Have to agree here. Like saturated fat, it's need to be limited so it doesn't impact health...... Yes. Trans fat is a macronutrient.
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According to the National Academy of Sciences' Institute of Medicine, there is no safe level of trans fat. None. You should not ingest that substance at all. They didn't say eat it in moderation. They said to avoid it.
Yes. It is a macronutrient. There is nothing relevant to this discussion in that fact.
Then why were you cringing when I said it's a macronutrient?
You want to get appropriate levels of all nutrients, both micro and macro. For some nutrients that level is 0. For some nutrients that level might be 150 grams.
My contention is that it doesn't matter where your nutrients are coming from as long as you're getting appropriate amounts of them.0 -
Eating junk food don't help you lose weight I tryed working out and eating crap and it dose not work well together.0
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Very niiice!
I eat what I want. Of course as I am finding myself further into that journey the things I 'want' are slowly getting healthier. I can no longer eat too many sweets because they make me rather ill physically. It's not something I 'planned' I just find that I'm drifting away from certain things and more towards others. Does not stop me from eating 'crap' occasionally but it is a lot less often than it used to be.
I prefer progress over perfection also. Striving for perfection makes people bicker way too much.
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Then it's subjective because there are many that can fit junk in and feel fine. Heck even Olympic swimmers eat junk food because of the calorie density and eating "clean" food every hour on the hour to fulfill that caloric need would never allow them to train for hours or would hamper their training.You can certainly lose weight eating junk if you stay under your calorie budget, but you will feel like crap and never really satisfied IMO
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Thank you! I don't eat "clean" or even close to it. I still eat processed foods daily. I do manage to eat lots of veggies but am really repetitive because the ones I like, I like a lot and I'm kind of fussy. I never eat whole grains (I just don't like them). I am not "sick" after 15 months of eating like that and I certainly don't feel like crap. The human body has this amazing capability of getting what it needs from what you eat. The vast majority of people who don't follow eating "clean" still get enough variety of foods to get everything they need. Even us processed food junkies don't eat the same thing every single day.
After a full year of eating this way I had a complete blood vitamin panel done because I was experiencing dizzy spells (OMG maybe all the clean eaters were right!). All came back perfect. Turns out, weight loss lowers blood pressure, even when it's not high! Cardiologist says it will sort itself out once I finish losing and start maintaining and that I need to make sure I'm getting enough sodium (not supposed to cut sodium at all so I can still eat all my tasty processed treats).
People need to do what works for them. I admire the "clean" eaters commitment to food preparation and planning. I just don't have that kind of passion towards food. If I'm hungry, I just want to grab whatever I'm in the mood for and log it. As long as I'm keeping to my calorie allotment, my blood tests and physical checkups are good... I just don't want to spend that much thought and energy on it.0 -
Then why were you cringing when I said it's a macronutrient?
You want to get appropriate levels of all nutrients, both micro and macro. For some nutrients that level is 0. For some nutrients that level might be 150 grams.
My contention is that it doesn't matter where your nutrients are coming from as long as you're getting appropriate amounts of them.
Because you have done nothing to support the contention that being classed as a macronutrient means something is safe to eat. He has supported his argument.
You just repeat your contention. You don't support it. You didn't even address his sources. Just, "...it is a macronutrient."
That is why I am cringing.0 -
Have to agree here. Like saturated fat, it's need to be limited so it doesn't impact health...... Yes. Trans fat is a macronutrient.
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According to the National Academy of Sciences' Institute of Medicine, there is no safe level of trans fat. None. You should not ingest that substance at all. They didn't say eat it in moderation. They said to avoid it.
Yes. It is a macronutrient. There is nothing relevant to this discussion in that fact.
Then why were you cringing when I said it's a macronutrient?
You want to get appropriate levels of all nutrients, both micro and macro. For some nutrients that level is 0. For some nutrients that level might be 150 grams.
My contention is that it doesn't matter where your nutrients are coming from as long as you're getting appropriate amounts of them.
Because it does matter where they are coming from, don't take my word for it my ACSM Ftiness certification book says on page 27 to avoid it. For the reasons mentioned above with links. I'm sorry but if your not willing to concede that the ACSM knows more about the subject then I don't know.0 -
I see SO many people on here who have their diaries open and eat more than half of their calories from what's considered "junk" food. What's the deal with this?! I realize I'm the one with 150 pounds left to lose, but wouldn't these people be losing more if they would eat fruits and vegetables at every meal? I'm striving for 75% fresh food. Is that maybe unrealistic? And there are people losing .5 pounds per week but eating candy, chips, etc. Would it not make a difference if they'd eat real food instead? Maybe I'm just confused!
It's all about a caloric deficit. Calories in vs Calories out. Just self control and hitting your macros. But you are right they could be losing more and they could be more healthy. And then again not everyone is the same.0 -
They might eat junk and lose but they would lose more weight if they ate foods that were easier for the body to break down. A healther lifestyle would cut out junk... I eat my share but try to do it occassionally and cook as many of my meals as possible! I always aim for my five a day but because it makes me feel better, I have more evergy and my my skin feels better. Eating Mcdonalds, crisps, pizza everyday would not help me lose weight even if in my calories. I prefer to eat healthy and feel good rather than stick strictly to my calories and eat crap.
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Because you have done nothing to support the contention that being classed as a macronutrient means something is safe to eat.
What? I never said it's safe to eat. Not sure how you made that leap.0 -
Because it does matter where they are coming from, don't take my word for it my ACSM Ftiness certification book says on page 27 to avoid it. For the reasons mentioned above with links. I'm sorry but if your not willing to concede that the ACSM knows more about the subject then I don't know.
Trans fat? I say to avoid trans fat too.
I have no idea how we got on this.
Trans fat is a macronutrient. That doesn't mean you need or want it.0 -
I totally understand eating things you love! I love potato chips, so I've been allowing myself one serving of pop chips every night. I'm talking about logging only 5 items, three of which were made at a restaurant. I want to be healthy once I lose the weight. Can I accomplish that by eating fast food as long as I stay under my calories? That's just the vibe I get from so many people. I'm not trying to judge of call anyone out, just seeing how everyone else is losing the weight
Those are your goals, doesn't mean those are everyone else's goals. If they're losing weight and doing something they can stick to it shouldn't matter to you what they're eating.
It's much more about how much you're eating vs. what you're eating.0 -
I'd like to see all the National Academy of Science Institute of Medicine professors diets then.:laugh: I doubt that there isn't anyone in there that's NEVER had a pastry, cake, etc.
Have to agree here. Like saturated fat, it's need to be limited so it doesn't impact health...... Yes. Trans fat is a macronutrient.
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According to the National Academy of Sciences' Institute of Medicine, there is no safe level of trans fat. None. You should not ingest that substance at all. They didn't say eat it in moderation. They said to avoid it.
Yes. It is a macronutrient. There is nothing relevant to this discussion in that fact.
I'm not saying that it's SAFE.
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What? I never said it's safe to eat. Not sure how you made that leap.
Okay. I don't care to quibble. We can go from here.
Most junk foods tend to be loaded with trans fats. So, you will likely be healthier if you avoid junk food than if you eat a diet rich in junk food.
And that is only if we limit the discussion to that particular ingredient.0 -
What? I never said it's safe to eat. Not sure how you made that leap.
Okay. I don't care to quibble. We can go from here.
Most junk foods tend to be loaded with trans fats. So, you will likely be healthier if you avoid junk food than if you eat a diet rich in junk food.
And that is only if we limit the discussion to that particular ingredient.
Seeing trans fat in any kind of food is getting more and more rare. Most fast food establishments have completely ditched trans fats, and it has disappeared from the vast majority of frozen foods.
This only underscores that it's nutrients and not food "type" that matters.0 -
I'd like to see all the National Academy of Science Institute of Medicine professors diets then.:laugh: I doubt that there isn't anyone in there that's NEVER had a pastry, cake, etc.
I'm not saying that it's SAFE.
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You can make pastry or cake without trans fat. Trust me. I bake.0 -
I'm not willing to cut out anything that I won't cut out for the rest of my life. It's not sustainable. I eat my fair share of fruit & veg and other healthy foods, but I eat junk too.
I pretty much stand by this statement!! I have severely limited the amount of junk food that I intake and have had a huge up in fruits and veggies HOWEVER I'd be a fool to deny pretend as though I'm never going to have sweets or want to indulge now and then and I refuse to be judged for it. Remember, these are not diets that we are on, these are lifestyle changes that we are going through, What's good for the goose isn't always good for the gander, focus more on what works for you instead of what others are doing, especially if its working for them and they aren't seeking your opinion.0 -
Oh, I know it's possible. But if you know how professors are at Universities, baking their own pastries probably isn't high on their lists.:laugh:I'd like to see all the National Academy of Science Institute of Medicine professors diets then.:laugh: I doubt that there isn't anyone in there that's NEVER had a pastry, cake, etc.
I'm not saying that it's SAFE.
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You can make pastry or cake without trans fat. Trust me. I bake.
Just saying that their are lots of people who will advise something, but won't follow their own advice. Kinda like the parent that tells their kid not to break any rules, but stops in a red zone to drop their kid off at school.
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Seeing trans fat in any kind of food is getting more and more rare. Most fast food establishments have completely ditched trans fats, and it has disappeared from the vast majority of frozen foods.
This only underscores that it's nutrients and not food "type" that matters.
I don't think this is accurate.
I am looking up different places and have yet to find single fast food place that has completely ditched trans fat. McDonalds seems to have claimed to have done it but I can't find a McDonald's nutritional pdf that will load.
http://static.jackinthebox.com/pdfs/nutritional_brochure.pdf
http://www.bk.com/cms/en/us/cms_out/digital_assets/files/pages/MenuNutritionInformation_November2012.pdf
http://www.arbys.com/food/nutrition-info.pdf0 -
Yes, you can lose weight by eating junk food, as long as you stay under your calorie goals. And yes, it is better for you if you eat healthy foods and stay under your calorie goals. I say, do whatever works best for you and what makes YOU FEEL GOOD.
I see people who eat 2 fast food meals a day and that's it. But they are under their calorie goals and they are losing weight.
This, personally, would make me feel like crap. Healthy foods makes me feel better. And I would much rather eat a ton of fresh fruits and veggies then a hamburger from McDonald's. (I'm not saying I never eat fast food. I do. I just try to limit it.)
My main goal right now is to be healthy. So that means eating healthy foods. The weight loss that comes along with it is just an added benefit!
So I say, be healthy! It's the most important!0 -
This only underscores that it's nutrients and not food "type" that matters.
I also would like to say that I don't think this underscores your point. Trans fats continue to exist in food to prolong shelf life. That is the purpose. It is a process that is used to increase profits. When I say, "Processed foods," that is what I am talking about. That is what we mean when we say that.
Obviously, cooking is a process. I'm not a raw foodist.0 -
Seeing trans fat in any kind of food is getting more and more rare. Most fast food establishments have completely ditched trans fats, and it has disappeared from the vast majority of frozen foods.
This only underscores that it's nutrients and not food "type" that matters.
I don't think this is accurate.
I am looking up different places and have yet to find single fast food place that has completely ditched trans fat. McDonalds seems to have claimed to have done it but I can't find a McDonald's nutritional pdf that will load.
http://static.jackinthebox.com/pdfs/nutritional_brochure.pdf
http://www.bk.com/cms/en/us/cms_out/digital_assets/files/pages/MenuNutritionInformation_November2012.pdf
http://www.arbys.com/food/nutrition-info.pdf
They can't eliminate trans fat entirely because it occurs naturally in foods. Ground beef naturally contains 1-1.5 grams of trans fat per quarter pound, which is why you see 1-1.5 grams of trans fat in those burgers from BK and JITB. That much trans fat is in a burger you'd make at home too, fresh from the organic butcher. You don't see trans fat in their other products because they don't use partially hydrogenated oils to cook with.0 -
They can't eliminate trans fat entirely because it occurs naturally in foods. Ground beef naturally contains 1-1.5 grams of trans fat per quarter pound, which is why you see 1-1.5 grams of trans fat in those burgers from BK and JITB. That much trans fat is in a burger you'd make at home too, fresh from the organic butcher. You don't see trans fat in their other products because they don't use partially hydrogenated oils to cook with.
Okay. That makes sense. So we should say most restaurants have completely ditched hydrogenated oil.0 -
They can't eliminate trans fat entirely because it occurs naturally in foods. Ground beef naturally contains 1-1.5 grams of trans fat per quarter pound, which is why you see 1-1.5 grams of trans fat in those burgers from BK and JITB. That much trans fat is in a burger you'd make at home too, fresh from the organic butcher. You don't see trans fat in their other products because they don't use partially hydrogenated oils to cook with.
Okay. That makes sense. So we should say most restaurants have completely ditched hydrogenated oil.
Or ditched added trans fat, or whatever. But yeah.0 -
I'm not willing to cut out anything that I won't cut out for the rest of my life. It's not sustainable. I eat my fair share of fruit & veg and other healthy foods, but I eat junk too.
^^This
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Some things cannot be cut cold turkey. I am still going to eat "junk" when I feel like it. Truth be told, I like this program because I don't feel restricted. I can still eat what I want and see results. That is what's been happening and it continues to happen. I will say, however, that because of the calorie counting, I have made smarter choices when indulging in the junk food (i.e. 100 calorie snacks, smaller portions of ice cream, etc). 0
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I see so many people going on about not getting nutrients - do they not sell multivitamins everywhere?
That is not how it works.
That's not how *what* works? You seem to be implying that vitamins don't contain nutrients.
The idea is that a multivitamin can't reproduce all the beneficial nutrients contained within a diet rich in fruits and vegetables.
But that doesn't mean people shouldn't take them. I take one when I remember. I often forget though. I think most MDs would reccomend a multi-vitamin.
This falls under "better safe than sorry" imo.
Here is what I meant read myth #1
http://www.rd.com/health/wellness/5-vitamin-truths-and-lies/
1) Reader's Digest is not a very reliable source for health information
2) That article does not reiterate your implication in any way.
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Right. You're arguing against a nutrient. That's my entire point all thread long.
Look at the nutrients in the food, not whether it's "healthy" or "processed" or "fast."
Nutrients are what matter. Nutrients. Pay attention to the actual nutrients.
Am I clear yet? Nutrients.
QFT!
If you are ingesting the nutrition you need, then it doesn't matter which food you choose.0
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