Meat & non-eat meaters (READ ME)
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Because meat, poultry and pork are far more delicious and nutritious.
BTW - we have canine teeth because we are carnivores by nature. But if you want to be a herbivore that is fine, just dont try to press your views on me!
Yes *daydreaming of bacon now*
That's a good one. Look in the mirror and compare your teeth, first to a feline (a carnivore), and then to a gorilla (an herbivore). You tell me which is closer. Because someone labeled two of your teeth "canine" because of the position in the human mouth says little about their function. Carnivores' teeth are made to kill living animals (along with the other weapons they possess like claws), rip the hide from the muscle and tissues, and consume the tissue whole. Their digestive systems function so that nutrients can be extracted from that raw tissue and quickly pass the non-beneficial content of that "food".
Your teeth and digestive system don't function even remotely like a carnivore. If you ate your food like a carnivore did, you would get sick and eventually die. Because you buy meat, cook it up and eat it doesn't make you a carnivore. It means you're bought and paid for by modern marketing and have the means to be able to afford to buy what they tell you to buy. And because it tastes good.
You bring up some valid points but come to the wrong conclusions. Our system is not that of a carnivore but rather an omnivore. As an omnivore, we can eat meat and plant matter. Since plant matter is harder to digest, our digestive system needs to incorporate the necessary tools to digest this plant matter. That is why our physiology has attributes of both herbivores and carnivores. Gorillas are also known to eat termites and ants frequently.
Gorillas' three closest relatives are bonobos, common chimpanzees and humans. The fact that these three are omnivores tells me that the gorillas are the exception, not the rule.0 -
"How do you know when someone's a vegetarian? Don't worry they'll tell you."
How do you know when someone's not a vegetarian? Don't worry, they'll respond to any and every forum post with, "bacon."
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So the point of this post?
To bring out all the people who are going to be snarky to vegetarians and vegans?
I personally am vegan and I don't care if someone wants to eat meat. It's my choice and I'm not going to try to guilt or influence someone to go vegan but if someone asks I'd be happy to talk to them about it.
As others have mentioned there are a lot of questionable ingredients in some vegan/veggie foods and so you have to take personal responsibility to make sure you're getting quality food, which, to the best of my knowledge, works for meat eaters too.
There are crap quality foods no matter what your choice.
Lol.. no. What's the point of your comment? My point was TRYING to help people & though everyone made great points.. between the hormones blood feces in real meat & the questionable ingredients in the vege burgers.. My intention was to give advice... now I will say my point of view has changed but no I wasn't trying to get snarky people into this..
Lol this is the INTERNET. Everyone being all serious? Geesh.. I wish you'd calm down. It's ridiculous.. xD
You realize that blood IS SUPPOSED to be in meat????
I don't have to worry about pus or feces infestitations as I buy straight from the farm for eggs, chicken, beef and pork.0 -
Nahhhh... ;-) I love my meat.
But having said that- there are some great non-meat options that don't include a bunch of chemicals and junk... homemade chickpea burgers are the BOMB with some tzatziki, but no- it's still not a hamburger!0 -
Because meat, poultry and pork are far more delicious and nutritious.
BTW - we have canine teeth because we are carnivores by nature. But if you want to be a herbivore that is fine, just dont try to press your views on me!
Yes *daydreaming of bacon now*
Then why does it take forever for meat to process through our body unlike carnivores that get rid of it rather quickly0 -
Thank you, thank you, thank you. I would not have the time to list the ingredients. But Morning Star and the likes are nothing but poison to the body. If you cannot pronounce the ingredients, that means it is not edible. It does not take much to make your own chemical free meatless and even meat/chicken burgers. All you need is black beans, fresh herbs, fresh peppers, onions, seasoning (turmeric, curry), maybe a little flour to hold it together (if egg is not used ) and you will have 100% chemical free burger and a lot cheaper too.0
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It's ok to eat cholesterol, you know. You may not want to, and that's cool. Or maybe your doctor told you not to, and hey, always a good idea to listen to a doctor you trust, so that's cool. But aside from that, the fact that ALL animal products--ALL--that is A - L - L -- I mean, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM--contain cholesterol is pretty irrelevant.All animal products have ZERO fiber. Instead all animal products have cholesterol. ALL.
Plants have fiber. They are the ONLY source for dietary fiber. And plants have ZERO cholesterol. No plant has any cholesterol in it.
Choose foods made from plants. In fact, make plants your food, and combine them yourself in delicious ways, instead of relying on a company to combine them into a food for you.
And I do mean ALL. Ehh-elle-elle. *A*L*L*.
edit: Just to clarify, I mean there are NO EXCEPTIONS.
Except for the causal link between dietary cholesterol raising serum cholesterol. And elevated serum cholesterol causing atherosclerosis. So yeah, if you are happy with having a little atherosclerosis, eat cholesterol. If you don't want the condition/disease, eliminate it from your diet. Everyone has the choice.
But don't argue that consuming animal products doesn't contribute towards atherosclerosis, because you're deluding yourself.
(I love how you cracked wise, good stuff!)
I suggest you up date your knowledge....cholesterol does not lead to atherosclerosis. There has never been any research that linked high cholesterol to atherosclerosis even the research this myth was based on was seriously flawed....not even the doctors believe it anymore. At least research it: here's a good place to start, http://www.thincs.org/0 -
Some of the ingredients are genetically modified...which is gross/bizarre/not normal.
Livestock is not. They may eat a partially GM diet...but to my knowledge, it doesn't transfer into their meat.
I'd rather eat a burger than a healthier version with GMO ingredients.
^ this :-) And bacon in pretty much awesome0 -
No thank you. and I mean that in the politest way possible...0
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I'm vegan and find this thread to be obnoxious.
What did you expect, OP? People to look up and say "yeah, you know that sounds like a great idea". All this does is gives people a venue to sing praises for meat.
Lol ... Drama, drama, drama.
It is obnoxious... Your comment is obnoxious too.
So it's hypocritical of you to say the post is when you are.
Lol it's the INTERNET as I just typed. Relax, geesh. You don't like this topic? Click the X. That's the simple thing about the internet. You can SIMPLY x out your problem. Save the drama for real life, lol. But as most people do, it's easier to fight a battle over the internet, right? Hiding behind a screen?
If you don't like the comments on this thread ignore them instread of posting rude responses. Take your own advice.. ignore a response you don't like. It seems as though you seem to be greating more drama than anyone else posting on this thread.
Why ignore them if they are here? Posted towards me? Lol. She asked me a question, I answered it. I'm saying if you click on MY topic & don't like it? Go away then. Drop your opinion all you want but there's no reason to be rude. Now if I was rude to someone, they have 100% right to be rude to me but I wasn't. I was trying to help. But then she's rude? So I'll be rude too.
Ha, I really don't see where that poster was rude to you or anyone else. She just stated matter of factly that this topic is known to go down the direction it is heading.............
You, OP, took her comment wayyyy to seriously and are being a wee bit sensitive.0 -
Like the plague. Soy and Tofu0
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<--- Body made by meat.. Meat works. Just stick to meat. It's what our ancestors ate thousands of years ago. We're not meant to eat processed, frozen veggie burgers. Rather than substitute a fatty beef burger for a veggie burger, why not just substitute it for a leaner healthier type of meat?0
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Because meat, poultry and pork are far more delicious and nutritious.
BTW - we have canine teeth because we are carnivores by nature. But if you want to be a herbivore that is fine, just dont try to press your views on me!
Yes *daydreaming of bacon now*
Then why does it take forever for meat to process through our body unlike carnivores that get rid of it rather quickly
It doesn't.0 -
You should check out sweet potato burgers. They obviously are different than a hamburger as they don't taste like meat at all, but they are delicious in their own right. I also have made black bean burgers before with the right kind of seasonings to the point my boyfriend was convinced he was eating a hamburger despite me telling him otherwise.
Thankyou for this. I wish you typed "Potato burger" I wonder if they have that.... probably.. Lol. I love potatoes.
& Someone just sent me a black bean burger recipe. Yum
I am trying out a black bean burger recipe tonight!! I don't cook with a lot of meat (mainly because I am too lazy)...but I don't use meat substitutes (gross). Most of my recipes call for vegetables and taste amazing!0 -
Because I raise my own pastured chickens and I eat them. I raise heritage breed Dominiques. They are naturally breeding, and I'm always going to have excess roosters. Always. I only need one rooster for every five to six hens to have maximum fertility. It's not really possible to rehome boys. Everyone wants girls for the eggs, but no one wants a bunch of roosters around that are going to fight. I kill them myself as humanely as possible. I know what they've had to eat their entire lives, I know where they've lived. I take responsibility for feeding myself and my family, and I feel good knowing that our food is clean. When we eat other meat, I buy from local farmers that I know and I approve of their standards.0
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I am not a vegetarian or vegan but I really do enjoy the Morningstar Farms products now and then. Because they are processed and loaded with sodium I don't eat them very often. But I do like most of their products, for a change now and then. One time I tried to use a recipe and create my own veggie burgers. They turned out really awful (sad!) so I am sticking to the store bought veggie burgers etc. I do enjoy meat too, especially bacon.0
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<--- Body made by meat.. Meat works. Just stick to meat. It's what our ancestors ate thousands of years ago. We're not meant to eat processed, frozen veggie burgers. Rather than substitute a fatty beef burger for a veggie burger, why not just substitute it for a leaner healthier type of meat?
Thank youuuuuuu, Meat.0 -
Why is everyone on here acting like they just outlawed meat or like the OP told you DON'T EAT MEAT. I should start a thread just saying that and the responses would be the same as the ones here. She was just telling people there's things like veggie burgers out there. Also no one said that vegans and vegetarians ONLY eat these things. Many of the ones here probably, like many of you, hold on as this might blow your mind, many of them probably eat healthy whole foods and only have processed foods occasionally. I know. Sit down, you might need a moment to process that. Also many of the vegetarians and vegans here likely are for ethical reasons, meaning they do not eat animals because they are morally against it for one reason or another. Notice I said SOME, not all. Others are for health reasons, as I'm sure many of you eat what you do because you believe it's healthy, they do too. What you think is healthy and what another person thinks is healthy is not always to align.0
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i think i'll stick to my zucchini burgers. I've never liked Boca burgers. ):
Zucchini burgers Ingredients(homemade)-
zucchini, carrots, onion, (optional.) bell pepper, whole wheat flour, pepper, salt.0 -
Because I raise my own pastured chickens and I eat them. I raise heritage breed Dominiques. They are naturally breeding, and I'm always going to have excess roosters. Always. I only need one rooster for every five to six hens to have maximum fertility. It's not really possible to rehome boys. Everyone wants girls for the eggs, but no one wants a bunch of roosters around that are going to fight. I kill them myself as humanely as possible. I know what they've had to eat their entire lives, I know where they've lived. I take responsibility for feeding myself and my family, and I feel good knowing that our food is clean. When we eat other meat, I buy from local farmers that I know and I approve of their standards.
Great! I too buy directly from a farm where the animals are entirely grass fed, free range and organic. The chickens are allowed to roam for their natural diets. They are all slaughtered within ten miles of the farm by the same people that raised them. There's a big difference in the quality and condition of these animals lives than that of a supermarket caged animal.0 -
Yeah, but bacon tastes good! Pork chops taste good!"How do you know when someone's a vegetarian? Don't worry they'll tell you."
How do you know when someone's not a vegetarian? Don't worry, they'll respond to any and every forum post with, "bacon."
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<--- Body made by meat.. Meat works. Just stick to meat. It's what our ancestors ate thousands of years ago. We're not meant to eat processed, frozen veggie burgers. Rather than substitute a fatty beef burger for a veggie burger, why not just substitute it for a leaner healthier type of meat?
I'm also sure our ancestors didn't go down to whole foods to buy their food either. ;P0 -
Ingredients:
CONTAINS TWO PERCENT OR LESS OF AUTOLYZED YEAST EXTRACT, VEGETABLE GUM, NATURAL FLAVORS FROM VEGETABLE SOURCES, MALTODEXTRIN, SOY FIBER, CARRAGEENAN, POTATO STARCH, CARAMEL COLOR, DISODIUM INOSINATE, DISODIUM GUANYLATE, KONJAC FLOUR
Mmmmm my fav ingredients in a burger.0 -
I'm sure most all of you have heard of Morning Star foods.
Why not substitute?
On a night you're going to have burgers, why not have a vege burger? They are so delicious.
Chicken nuggets, why not Morning Stars?
So much less fat, no grease, all entirely healthy & delicious.
Yes, pricey. But who has burgers every night? Who has chicken nuggets every night? I know I don't. Though Morning Star is delicious.. & It does tempt me to make one. Yummy yummy substitution
1) Because meat tastes better
2) Meat is cheaper
3) Because fresh tastes better
4) Because there's no downside to meat
The implication in "why not substitute" is "this frozen meat-free product, made with about 35 ingredients, is inherently better in some undefined way than ground beef."
My question to you is:
Why substitute?
the downside to meat is animal abuse.
the destruction of the rain forest
the crappy (literally) living conditions and feed of these animals makes for poor nutrion in the end result.
chickens with arseinc is one example
there are alot of downsides to eating meat
Raise your own, buy local, or hunt. In the mean time.... Have you considered trying Alpaca? They are quite tasty and very low in calories and fat . Plus you can use the fiber to make warm clothing.0 -
I love veggie substitutes, but dislike Morning Star products immensely. Way, way too salty.0
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Non of those ingredients seem questionable to me. Most are derived from plants and animals.0
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Processed or "created" food scares me. If you want meat, eat meat. You can buy lean meat if you want to avoid all the animal fat. If you can't create it in your kitchen with whole ingredients then you probably shouldn't be eating it.0
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My wife (who's a vegetarian) will occasionally ask me if I want to try her veggie burger, or other "meat replacement product". My response is always the same... I respond by asking her why she doesn't ever want to try my steak or bratwurst. She says because she doesn't want to.
There's your answer.0 -
<--- Body made by meat.. Meat works. Just stick to meat. It's what our ancestors ate thousands of years ago. We're not meant to eat processed, frozen veggie burgers. Rather than substitute a fatty beef burger for a veggie burger, why not just substitute it for a leaner healthier type of meat?
I'm also sure our ancestors didn't go down to whole foods to buy their food either. ;P
His point stands alot more than your's does. At least he is still eating the same type foods our ancestors did.0 -
Last month, I had Morningstar burger at a Super Bowl party. Then later had a big meatball, they were both yummy. IMO, the Morningstar burger is healthier than ground beef. Every food has its positives and negatives, my concern with the Morningstar burger is the sodium content. Also, the processing destroys some of the antioxidants called isoflavones.
Shelled edamame is a great alternative to both. They are unprocessed, whole foods which are a very good source of protein, fiber and antioxidants. For those concerned about non-organic foods, organic edamame is readily available is grocery stores.
I'm glad the Original Poster started this thread. Food swaps or small chunking is a great way to eat healthier or improve oneself. Every once in awhile I catch "Hungry Girl" on TV and she has terrific ideas for food swaps.
Yea, like ground beef is so unhealthy...............at least all it is, is ground up raw beef..............unlike the 35 ingredient fake meat patties.
Since you claim that morning star "burger" (35 or more ingredients) is so much healthier than ground beef (1 ingredient), what makes you stake this claim????
Inquiring minds want to know.0
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