Convince me Pop Tarts & ice cream are bad.

Pop tarts alone are fine.

Ice cream alone is fine.

Combined they are trouble.

This story took place ages ago when I was in college visiting home. It was a nice Saturday morning and the family was having a nice normal breakfast. Me being stuck in the college mentality decided to have ice cream and pop tarts. My mother had an off hand comment about it but she didn't object, she just recommended that I at least heat the Pop Tarts and not eat them cold like a stoned hippy. So I started enjoying my ice cream bowl while I waited for the Tarts. Down the stairs came running trouble in the shape of my younger brother. My mother motioned him to his plate filled with eggs, beef hash and French toast, but it was too late cause like a hawk locked onto his prey so were my brother's eyes on my ice cream bowl.

A faded smile gave him and his intentions away, granted he was slick to say he needed ketchup from the fridge to justify walking towards my end of the table. But I knew that he hates ketchup!

The confirming act of the incoming attack was him grabbing my sister's spoon. And it began with a direct attack towards the center of my bowl of ice cream but I was ready fready! I slapped it away as a second and third attempt were made but none were fruitful into getting him a taste of my ice cream. At this point it's a full on wrestling match over the ice cream, but my brother wouldn't give up even as I DeSpooned him and he had no way of getting the delicious ice cream. So, like every desperate man he wanted a taste for all the effort he put in, and like a savage he reached with his fingers into the bowl.

I called on to the U.N or mother to deal with such savage unconventional attack, a quick "leave the hippy alone" directed at my brother stopped the ice cream bowl attacks. But like any soar loser he was not happy with the outcome, fate seemed to change cause at that very moment he contemplating what to do, if to accept defeat or retaliate somehow, the Pop Tarts popped out.

To him that was a for sure win as he was closer to the toaster and I had no way of stopping him before he would take a bite or two. So I immediately resorted to a combination of diplomacy, empty threats of violence, and even asking the UN for help. None of it mattered cause he had the determination in his eyes, so all I could do is watch as my Pop Tarts fell into enemy hands.

With his ice cream covered hand he reached for the Pop Tarts. What happened next is what convinced me Pop Tarts & ice cream are a bad combo. My brother screeched as he went flying from the counter and landing next to me. I was very confused as what had happened but I figured out as I saw the black burn marks on his fingers from the electric shock.

I don't know if this convinces you or anyone else about Pop Tarts & ice cream being bad, but my brother still doesn't eat pop tarts today.

I approve and am a strong believer in IIFYM. I do not eat like this everyday but often have one day a week so so like this. One day last week (Thursday for those on my friends list) I ate 1700 calories in candy alone and still hit my calorie target (exactly) and was extremely close on carbs, fat, and protein. I am currently at 10% body fat and am lifting more and running faster every month.

Like you my blood pressure, blood sugar, HR and cholesterol levels are all in great shape.

If you are enjoying ice cream and pop targets and reaching your goals, then I see no good reason to change your habits!

Anyone who has a hard time understanding this should Google "Twinkie Diet"

My diet choices have come under a lot of scrutiny lately. Mostly my Pop tart and ice cream consumption. Please, convince me that I'm doing it wrong. Most of the people that have a problem with my diet say my food is nutrient deficient. In fact, I believe it's the unfounded fear of sugar that most people are taking exception.

My diary is open and I'm fairly consistent. Today is a good example of my typical day. The last few weeks I have been a bit more liberal with my diet as I'm coming up to a goal change at the end of the month. Go beyond that and you'll see major consistency (to the point of OCD almost). I advocate allowing yourself 20-25% of your daily caloric intake to consist of anything you want if you're able to hit your macro/micro nutrient needs & goals. For me, based on my intake goals, that's 800 -1000 calories, which I primarily have been allocating to sugar.

I would love to see how my surgary food is nutrient deficient as well, as I'm quite often told. Please show me in detail. Set me right. I log everything and their nutritional values are easily found online. For instance there's 14 g of sugar in one 200 cal Pop Tart. That leaves 144 calories of "other stuff". Is this other stuff air or is it fats/carbs/protein (even 10% of the RDA of 7 micro-nutrients) that are required nutrients?

I would prefer non-anecdotal evidence. As far as "empty calories" go, that's going to be a tough sell for me. A calorie is a unit of measurement and in order to have any caloric value there must be a certain amount of macro (even micro) nutrients present, we'll say for the sake of discussion, per gram of weight.

Info: My daily calorie goal is 4,000. I'm a 33 year old, healthy male, @ 5'10" and about 190 lbs right now. I do cardiovascular exercise 3 days a week and lift heavy (for me) 3 days per week. My "rest" day typically involves 20 minutes of cardio & activity with my toddler.

Resting Heart Rate: 58
Total Cholesterol (as of a couple weeks ago): 93
BP: 110/70

If you'd like to see any other health markers, just ask.

My typical ice cream, per serving (I tend to eat 4):

Calories 110
Calories from Fat 25
Total Fat 3(g)
Saturated Fat 2(g)
Trans Fat 0(g)
Cholesterol 5(mg)
Sodium 55(mg)
Total Carbohydrates 18(g)
Dietary Fiber 0(g)
Sugars 13(g)
Protein 3(g)
Calcium 6% DV
Vitamin A 4% DV

Typical Pop Tart (I tend to eat 2 at a time like most people):

Calories 200
Calories from Fat 45
Total Fat 5.0 g
Saturated Fat 1.5 g
Polyunsaturated Fat 2 g
Monounsaturated Fat 1 g
Sodium 170 mg
Total Carbohydrate 35 g
Dietary Fiber 1 g
Sugars 14 g
Protein 2.0 g
Vitamin A 151 %
Iron 2 %
Niacin 2 %
Folic Acid 40 %

Edited for typos.

This should be reason enough.

See!! Carbs are evil!! :drinker:

Pop Tarts killed my brother, by dipping him in a barrel full of aspartame and red meat. He died instantly, because those two things are awful for you.

This is why you cannot eat pop tarts. Revenge must be mine.

I see nothing wrong with it if you are doing everything else right, right?
I wish I could eat either. Actually, no, I don't really like pop tarts.

I guess I should have been a bit more clear in my OP. The reason I asked these questions in this thread is: I really want to know when I offer weight loss advice is such exception taken with my diary and methods? To the point that some try to discredit the method entirely. When in fact the way I'm doing it works quite well.

On a personal level, I don't care what others think of my diet. I'm going to do it my way, which is working. That's not to say I haven't learned plenty from others on here. Quite the opposite in fact. I have found a great wealth of information here and a great group of like minded individuals with similar goals.

if you didn't care, you wouldn't have made a whole thread about it. :laugh:

Pop tarts alone are fine.

Ice cream alone is fine.

Combined they are trouble.

This story took place ages ago when I was in college visiting home. It was a nice Saturday morning and the family was having a nice normal breakfast. Me being stuck in the college mentality decided to have ice cream and pop tarts. My mother had an off hand comment about it but she didn't object, she just recommended that I at least heat the Pop Tarts and not eat them cold like a stoned hippy. So I started enjoying my ice cream bowl while I waited for the Tarts. Down the stairs came running trouble in the shape of my younger brother. My mother motioned him to his plate filled with eggs, beef hash and French toast, but it was too late cause like a hawk locked onto his prey so were my brother's eyes on my ice cream bowl.

A faded smile gave him and his intentions away, granted he was slick to say he needed ketchup from the fridge to justify walking towards my end of the table. But I knew that he hates ketchup!

The confirming act of the incoming attack was him grabbing my sister's spoon. And it began with a direct attack towards the center of my bowl of ice cream but I was ready fready! I slapped it away as a second and third attempt were made but none were fruitful into getting him a taste of my ice cream. At this point it's a full on wrestling match over the ice cream, but my brother wouldn't give up even as I DeSpooned him and he had no way of getting the delicious ice cream. So, like every desperate man he wanted a taste for all the effort he put in, and like a savage he reached with his fingers into the bowl.

I called on to the U.N or mother to deal with such savage unconventional attack, a quick "leave the hippy alone" directed at my brother stopped the ice cream bowl attacks. But like any soar loser he was not happy with the outcome, fate seemed to change cause at that very moment he contemplating what to do, if to accept defeat or retaliate somehow, the Pop Tarts popped out.

To him that was a for sure win as he was closer to the toaster and I had no way of stopping him before he would take a bite or two. So I immediately resorted to a combination of diplomacy, empty threats of violence, and even asking the UN for help. None of it mattered cause he had the determination in his eyes, so all I could do is watch as my Pop Tarts fell into enemy hands.

With his ice cream covered hand he reached for the Pop Tarts. What happened next is what convinced me Pop Tarts & ice cream are a bad combo. My brother screeched as he went flying from the counter and landing next to me. I was very confused as what had happened but I figured out as I saw the black burn marks on his fingers from the electric shock.

I don't know if this convinces you or anyone else about Pop Tarts & ice cream being bad, but my brother still doesn't eat pop tarts today.

^^^
This is exactly why

I guess I should have been a bit more clear in my OP. The reason I asked these questions in this thread is: I really want to know when I offer weight loss advice is such exception taken with my diary and methods? To the point that some try to discredit the method entirely. When in fact the way I'm doing it works quite well.

On a personal level, I don't care what others think of my diet. I'm going to do it my way, which is working. That's not to say I haven't learned plenty from others on here. Quite the opposite in fact. I have found a great wealth of information here and a great group of like minded individuals with similar goals.

:huh: may the force be with you, go forth and advise brutha...
note to self; disregard all advice pertaining to pop tarts & ice cream or any combination thereof .
Ok, I'm good! thumbs up :drinker:

I guess I should have been a bit more clear in my OP. The reason I asked these questions in this thread is: I really want to know when I offer weight loss advice is such exception taken with my diary and methods? To the point that some try to discredit the method entirely. When in fact the way I'm doing it works quite well.

On a personal level, I don't care what others think of my diet. I'm going to do it my way, which is working. That's not to say I haven't learned plenty from others on here. Quite the opposite in fact. I have found a great wealth of information here and a great group of like minded individuals with similar goals.

I wouldn't care how you eat as long as you accepted that not everyone can do it your way. I'm one of those people that just feels less physically well when I eat "junk" and also tends to have a hard time with sugar cravings for a few days. It's very often not worth it to me to go that route to include everything in moderation. For me, "moderation" means giving in to a serious craving and being willing to face the consequences (above). It's not an every day or even once a week deal. (It's not because I am depriving myself. I've lived in this body for decades, I know how it works.) Whether it's physical or psychological or both doesn't matter to me--it's just not worth it to me. If you were giving me weight loss advice and didn't try to insist on me eating more junk to avoid depriving myself, I wouldn't care what you do.

*I don't think I've ever checked someone's diary when they give me advice, though, so maybe if I were someone who did that, it may make a difference.

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Would I love to give it all up and eat cleaner? Sure I would. Eating clean involves a certain responsibility and commitment which I dont have the time or resources to give right now. organic food is expenvise for starters, and I work long long days so I dont often have time to prepare the food for the next day. i will be damed if i spend my only two days off a week in the kitchen cooking and containering everything for the next week.

I get **** for eating soup, crackers, and fruit. Becuase the soup and crackers arent "clean" and the fruit has "sugar"

I also get **** because I lift weights and dont choke protein down my throat.

really? this about food nazis?:noway:
umm, you know these folks won't tell your mom on you right? :laugh:
I'm not meaning to be dismissive but it all seems like a waste of energy to me.

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Pop tarts are bad because they taste horrible.

Ice cream I have no beef with.

Finally someone with some sense!

edited to add: Brown Sugar Cinnamon is the exception to this rule.

^^^ truth^^^

It's not a big deal if you are eating (and burning) 3000-4000 calories per day. People that are questioning your choices probably don't consider this. For many who are eating less than 2000 calories a day, 800 calories every day from pop tarts and ice cream is a problem. Don't ask me to defend that assertion. I am pretty sure we all recognize this to be common sense.

Couldn't really agree more.

As a woman who eats about 2000 cals a day (and I'm losing at that level, thank you!), I can manage about 200-300 calories in pop tarts and ice cream.

It's about having treats that are moderate for YOUR calorie level.

I am so jealous. I can barely eat 1200 a day. As an accountant, it is so easy to work through lunch and miss meals.