Convince me Pop Tarts & ice cream are bad.
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Oh no! A lot of ingredients means it ceases to be food!
Its not the quantity its the quality....0 -
Alright, OP. I enjoyed your first few posts because I liked looking at all the pictures and even decided to treat myself and try one in the future. I got your message.
But you're starting to become a little much here-this is like the third post and it's starting to look like you want start a fight.
You know a lot of people here are on much lower calorie diets and are jealous and are going to pick a fight.
So why keep picking the nerve?
I bring it up because I have a lot of success with weight loss and health doing it this way, but every time I offer advise I'm chastised over eating "pop tarts & ice cream". It actually isn't about pop tarts or ice cream, it's about knowing you can achieve all your goals eating anything you want. You don't have to be on a fad diet or not eat things you enjoy to do this. That's the point.0 -
Just research the effects of sugar on the body. If that doesn't convince you that sugar is bad, then just keep doing what you're doing and good luck!0
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Alright, OP. I enjoyed your first few posts because I liked looking at all the pictures and even decided to treat myself and try one in the future. I got your message.
But you're starting to become a little much here-this is like the third post and it's starting to look like you want start a fight.
You know a lot of people here are on much lower calorie diets and are jealous and are going to pick a fight.
So why keep picking the nerve?
I bring it up because I have a lot of success with weight loss and health doing it this way, but every time I offer advise I'm chastised over eating "pop tarts & ice cream". It actually isn't about pop tarts or ice cream, it's about knowing you can achieve all your goals eating anything you want. You don't have to be on a fad diet or not eat things you enjoy to do this. That's the point.
it's because you ignore the fact that people eating normal amounts of calories can't eat the same amounts of crap you do every day. you say "i've had so much success" but you're the exception, not the norm. the average person eating 1,200-2,000 cal/day CAN'T eat 2,000 calories of pop tarts, ice cream, cookies, etc.
this false equality assumption your making is the point.0 -
Alright, OP. I enjoyed your first few posts because I liked looking at all the pictures and even decided to treat myself and try one in the future. I got your message.
But you're starting to become a little much here-this is like the third post and it's starting to look like you want start a fight.
You know a lot of people here are on much lower calorie diets and are jealous and are going to pick a fight.
So why keep picking the nerve?
I bring it up because I have a lot of success with weight loss and health doing it this way, but every time I offer advise I'm chastised over eating "pop tarts & ice cream". It actually isn't about pop tarts or ice cream, it's about knowing you can achieve all your goals eating anything you want. You don't have to be on a fad diet or not eat things you enjoy to do this. That's the point.
BS You wanted a fight and you got it. Bravo! It's not going to change the fact that those who are dedicated to a healthy diet will look at your look and see good, good, good, processed, processed, good, processed, processed, good. If you were to try to give me diet advice I would laugh.0 -
Alright, OP. I enjoyed your first few posts because I liked looking at all the pictures and even decided to treat myself and try one in the future. I got your message.
But you're starting to become a little much here-this is like the third post and it's starting to look like you want start a fight.
You know a lot of people here are on much lower calorie diets and are jealous and are going to pick a fight.
So why keep picking the nerve?
I bring it up because I have a lot of success with weight loss and health doing it this way, but every time I offer advise I'm chastised over eating "pop tarts & ice cream". It actually isn't about pop tarts or ice cream, it's about knowing you can achieve all your goals eating anything you want. You don't have to be on a fad diet or not eat things you enjoy to do this. That's the point.
BS You wanted a fight and you got it. Bravo! It's not going to change the fact that those who are dedicated to a healthy diet will look at your look and see good, good, good, processed, processed, good, processed, processed, good. If you were to try to give me diet advice I would laugh.
i like you. :drinker:0 -
Alright, OP. I enjoyed your first few posts because I liked looking at all the pictures and even decided to treat myself and try one in the future. I got your message.
But you're starting to become a little much here-this is like the third post and it's starting to look like you want start a fight.
You know a lot of people here are on much lower calorie diets and are jealous and are going to pick a fight.
So why keep picking the nerve?
I bring it up because I have a lot of success with weight loss and health doing it this way, but every time I offer advise I'm chastised over eating "pop tarts & ice cream". It actually isn't about pop tarts or ice cream, it's about knowing you can achieve all your goals eating anything you want. You don't have to be on a fad diet or not eat things you enjoy to do this. That's the point.
BS You wanted a fight and you got it. Bravo! It's not going to change the fact that those who are dedicated to a healthy diet will look at your look and see good, good, good, processed, processed, good, processed, processed, good. If you were to try to give me diet advice I would laugh.
i like you. :drinker:
You guys both defended my point, so thank you both!0 -
Just research the effects of sugar on the body. If that doesn't convince you that sugar is bad, then just keep doing what you're doing and good luck!
Consumption of sucrose and high fructose corn syrup does not increase liver fat or ectopic fat deposition in muscles
http://www.nrcresearchpress.com/doi/pdf/10.1139/apnm-2012-0322
http://www.ers.usda.gov/Data/foodconsumption/FoodGuideIndex.htm
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19486715
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19064539
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18065574
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17616770
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17991646
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3592650
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2178391?dopt=Abstract
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1799283?dopt=Abstract
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15181085?dopt=Abstract
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19386821?dopt=Abstract
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20047139
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18996880
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19064536?dopt=Abstract
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18996851?dopt=Abstract0 -
My diet choices have come under a lot of scrutiny lately. Mostly my Pop tart and ice cream consumption. Please, convince me that I'm doing it wrong. Most of the people that have a problem with my diet say my food is nutrient deficient. In fact, I believe it's the unfounded fear of sugar that most people are taking exception.
My diary is open and I'm fairly consistent. Today is a good example of my typical day. The last few weeks I have been a bit more liberal with my diet as I'm coming up to a goal change at the end of the month. Go beyond that and you'll see major consistency (to the point of OCD almost). I advocate allowing yourself 20-25% of your daily caloric intake to consist of anything you want if you're able to hit your macro/micro nutrient needs & goals. For me, based on my intake goals, that's 800 -1000 calories, which I primarily have been allocating to sugar.
I would love to see how my surgary food is nutrient deficient as well, as I'm quite often told. Please show me in detail. Set me right. I log everything and their nutritional values are easily found online. For instance there's 14 g of sugar in one 200 cal Pop Tart. That leaves 144 calories of "other stuff". Is this other stuff air or is it fats/carbs/protein (even 10% of the RDA of 7 micro-nutrients) that are required nutrients?
I would prefer non-anecdotal evidence. As far as "empty calories" go, that's going to be a tough sell for me. A calorie is a unit of measurement and in order to have any caloric value there must be a certain amount of macro (even micro) nutrients present, we'll say for the sake of discussion, per gram of weight.
Info: My daily calorie goal is 4,000. I'm a 33 year old, healthy male, @ 5'10" and about 190 lbs right now. I do cardiovascular exercise 3 days a week and lift heavy (for me) 3 days per week. My "rest" day typically involves 20 minutes of cardio & activity with my toddler.
Resting Heart Rate: 58
Total Cholesterol (as of a couple weeks ago): 93
BP: 110/70
If you'd like to see any other health markers, just ask.
My typical ice cream, per serving (I tend to eat 4):
Calories 110
Calories from Fat 25
Total Fat 3(g)
Saturated Fat 2(g)
Trans Fat 0(g)
Cholesterol 5(mg)
Sodium 55(mg)
Total Carbohydrates 18(g)
Dietary Fiber 0(g)
Sugars 13(g)
Protein 3(g)
Calcium 6% DV
Vitamin A 4% DV
Typical Pop Tart (I tend to eat 2 at a time like most people):
Calories 200
Calories from Fat 45
Total Fat 5.0 g
Saturated Fat 1.5 g
Polyunsaturated Fat 2 g
Monounsaturated Fat 1 g
Sodium 170 mg
Total Carbohydrate 35 g
Dietary Fiber 1 g
Sugars 14 g
Protein 2.0 g
Vitamin A 151 %
Iron 2 %
Niacin 2 %
Folic Acid 40 %
Edited for typos.
What's your uric acid look like? Eating that much sugar, you might want to have it checked.0 -
Alright, OP. I enjoyed your first few posts because I liked looking at all the pictures and even decided to treat myself and try one in the future. I got your message.
But you're starting to become a little much here-this is like the third post and it's starting to look like you want start a fight.
You know a lot of people here are on much lower calorie diets and are jealous and are going to pick a fight.
So why keep picking the nerve?
I bring it up because I have a lot of success with weight loss and health doing it this way, but every time I offer advise I'm chastised over eating "pop tarts & ice cream". It actually isn't about pop tarts or ice cream, it's about knowing you can achieve all your goals eating anything you want. You don't have to be on a fad diet or not eat things you enjoy to do this. That's the point.
it's because you ignore the fact that people eating normal amounts of calories can't eat the same amounts of crap you do every day. you say "i've had so much success" but you're the exception, not the norm. the average person eating 1,200-2,000 cal/day CAN'T eat 2,000 calories of pop tarts, ice cream, cookies, etc.
this false equality assumption your making is the point.
I never said eat 2,000 calories of pop tarts or whatever. I said eat 20 - 25% of your daily allowance of whatever you want.0 -
My diet choices have come under a lot of scrutiny lately. Mostly my Pop tart and ice cream consumption. Please, convince me that I'm doing it wrong. Most of the people that have a problem with my diet say my food is nutrient deficient. In fact, I believe it's the unfounded fear of sugar that most people are taking exception.
My diary is open and I'm fairly consistent. Today is a good example of my typical day. The last few weeks I have been a bit more liberal with my diet as I'm coming up to a goal change at the end of the month. Go beyond that and you'll see major consistency (to the point of OCD almost). I advocate allowing yourself 20-25% of your daily caloric intake to consist of anything you want if you're able to hit your macro/micro nutrient needs & goals. For me, based on my intake goals, that's 800 -1000 calories, which I primarily have been allocating to sugar.
I would love to see how my surgary food is nutrient deficient as well, as I'm quite often told. Please show me in detail. Set me right. I log everything and their nutritional values are easily found online. For instance there's 14 g of sugar in one 200 cal Pop Tart. That leaves 144 calories of "other stuff". Is this other stuff air or is it fats/carbs/protein (even 10% of the RDA of 7 micro-nutrients) that are required nutrients?
I would prefer non-anecdotal evidence. As far as "empty calories" go, that's going to be a tough sell for me. A calorie is a unit of measurement and in order to have any caloric value there must be a certain amount of macro (even micro) nutrients present, we'll say for the sake of discussion, per gram of weight.
Info: My daily calorie goal is 4,000. I'm a 33 year old, healthy male, @ 5'10" and about 190 lbs right now. I do cardiovascular exercise 3 days a week and lift heavy (for me) 3 days per week. My "rest" day typically involves 20 minutes of cardio & activity with my toddler.
Resting Heart Rate: 58
Total Cholesterol (as of a couple weeks ago): 93
BP: 110/70
If you'd like to see any other health markers, just ask.
My typical ice cream, per serving (I tend to eat 4):
Calories 110
Calories from Fat 25
Total Fat 3(g)
Saturated Fat 2(g)
Trans Fat 0(g)
Cholesterol 5(mg)
Sodium 55(mg)
Total Carbohydrates 18(g)
Dietary Fiber 0(g)
Sugars 13(g)
Protein 3(g)
Calcium 6% DV
Vitamin A 4% DV
Typical Pop Tart (I tend to eat 2 at a time like most people):
Calories 200
Calories from Fat 45
Total Fat 5.0 g
Saturated Fat 1.5 g
Polyunsaturated Fat 2 g
Monounsaturated Fat 1 g
Sodium 170 mg
Total Carbohydrate 35 g
Dietary Fiber 1 g
Sugars 14 g
Protein 2.0 g
Vitamin A 151 %
Iron 2 %
Niacin 2 %
Folic Acid 40 %
Edited for typos.
What's your uric acid look like? Eating that much sugar, you might want to have it checked.
3.2 mg/dL as of two weeks ago.0 -
Alright, OP. I enjoyed your first few posts because I liked looking at all the pictures and even decided to treat myself and try one in the future. I got your message.
But you're starting to become a little much here-this is like the third post and it's starting to look like you want start a fight.
You know a lot of people here are on much lower calorie diets and are jealous and are going to pick a fight.
So why keep picking the nerve?
I bring it up because I have a lot of success with weight loss and health doing it this way, but every time I offer advise I'm chastised over eating "pop tarts & ice cream". It actually isn't about pop tarts or ice cream, it's about knowing you can achieve all your goals eating anything you want. You don't have to be on a fad diet or not eat things you enjoy to do this. That's the point.
BS You wanted a fight and you got it. Bravo! It's not going to change the fact that those who are dedicated to a healthy diet will look at your look and see good, good, good, processed, processed, good, processed, processed, good. If you were to try to give me diet advice I would laugh.
I meet and exceed my nutritional needs with just the foods you call "good" alone. What's the issue with the rest? Just calling it processed isn't making any point at all. Is it imaginary?0 -
Alright, OP. I enjoyed your first few posts because I liked looking at all the pictures and even decided to treat myself and try one in the future. I got your message.
But you're starting to become a little much here-this is like the third post and it's starting to look like you want start a fight.
You know a lot of people here are on much lower calorie diets and are jealous and are going to pick a fight.
So why keep picking the nerve?
I bring it up because I have a lot of success with weight loss and health doing it this way, but every time I offer advise I'm chastised over eating "pop tarts & ice cream". It actually isn't about pop tarts or ice cream, it's about knowing you can achieve all your goals eating anything you want. You don't have to be on a fad diet or not eat things you enjoy to do this. That's the point.
it's because you ignore the fact that people eating normal amounts of calories can't eat the same amounts of crap you do every day. you say "i've had so much success" but you're the exception, not the norm. the average person eating 1,200-2,000 cal/day CAN'T eat 2,000 calories of pop tarts, ice cream, cookies, etc.
this false equality assumption your making is the point.
I never said eat 2,000 calories of pop tarts or whatever. I said eat 20 - 25% of your daily allowance of whatever you want.
dude... your diary has anywhere from 1500-2000 cal from cookies, pop tarts, ice cream and other heavily processed empty calorie foods. that's more than 20-25% correct?
i'll give you this. the essence of your point is correct - as long as your nutritional needs are met, the rest doesn't matter QUITE so much - but your implementation of it is flawed.
and so you know, I never recommend giving up something if you really love it - my suggestion though is usually around 10% as opposed to a quarter to half of your intake.0 -
Just research the effects of sugar on the body. If that doesn't convince you that sugar is bad, then just keep doing what you're doing and good luck!
Consumption of sucrose and high fructose corn syrup does not increase liver fat or ectopic fat deposition in muscles
http://www.nrcresearchpress.com/doi/pdf/10.1139/apnm-2012-0322
http://www.ers.usda.gov/Data/foodconsumption/FoodGuideIndex.htm
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19486715
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19064539
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18065574
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17616770
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17991646
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3592650
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2178391?dopt=Abstract
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1799283?dopt=Abstract
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15181085?dopt=Abstract
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19386821?dopt=Abstract
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20047139
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18996880
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19064536?dopt=Abstract
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18996851?dopt=Abstract
I didn't go through all of them but most of the studies compare HFCS with Sugar... my claim is that both are poor diet choices.0 -
My typical ice cream, per serving (I tend to eat 4):
Calories 110
Calories from Fat 25
Total Fat 3(g)
Saturated Fat 2(g)
Trans Fat 0(g)
Cholesterol 5(mg)
Sodium 55(mg)
Total Carbohydrates 18(g)
Dietary Fiber 0(g)
Sugars 13(g)
Protein 3(g)
Calcium 6% DV
Vitamin A 4% DV
Typical Pop Tart (I tend to eat 2 at a time like most people):
Calories 200
Calories from Fat 45
Total Fat 5.0 g
Saturated Fat 1.5 g
Polyunsaturated Fat 2 g
Monounsaturated Fat 1 g
Sodium 170 mg
Total Carbohydrate 35 g
Dietary Fiber 1 g
Sugars 14 g
Protein 2.0 g
Vitamin A 151 %
Iron 2 %
Niacin 2 %
Folic Acid 40 %
I have no problem with either food, as long as it's done in moderation. ONE chocolate bar is not bad; SIX would blow my whole calorie allotment.
There is also the matter of any medical conditions (diabetes, hypoglycemia, and such). That has to be factored in also.0 -
Alright, OP. I enjoyed your first few posts because I liked looking at all the pictures and even decided to treat myself and try one in the future. I got your message.
But you're starting to become a little much here-this is like the third post and it's starting to look like you want start a fight.
You know a lot of people here are on much lower calorie diets and are jealous and are going to pick a fight.
So why keep picking the nerve?
I bring it up because I have a lot of success with weight loss and health doing it this way, but every time I offer advise I'm chastised over eating "pop tarts & ice cream". It actually isn't about pop tarts or ice cream, it's about knowing you can achieve all your goals eating anything you want. You don't have to be on a fad diet or not eat things you enjoy to do this. That's the point.
it's because you ignore the fact that people eating normal amounts of calories can't eat the same amounts of crap you do every day. you say "i've had so much success" but you're the exception, not the norm. the average person eating 1,200-2,000 cal/day CAN'T eat 2,000 calories of pop tarts, ice cream, cookies, etc.
this false equality assumption your making is the point.
I never said eat 2,000 calories of pop tarts or whatever. I said eat 20 - 25% of your daily allowance of whatever you want.
dude... your diary has anywhere from 1500-2000 cal from cookies, pop tarts, ice cream and other heavily processed empty calorie foods. that's more than 20-25% correct?
i'll give you this. the essence of your point is correct - as long as your nutritional needs are met, the rest doesn't matter QUITE so much - but your implementation of it is flawed.
and so you know, I never recommend giving up something if you really love it - my suggestion though is usually around 10% as opposed to a quarter to half of your intake.
This is where we diverge. Unless is comes out of the ground or straight off a bone you consider it empty calories. By definition of the word a calorie can't be empty. It is a unit of measurement, based on nutritional value per unit of weight of food. We all know the 4 cal / g for carb, 4 cal / g for Protein, 9 cal / g for fat. So you're telling me the fat, carbs, & protein in the cookies or whatever doesn't count? Or the the nutrients fortified or not? If you start with bio-availability you better not be cooking your meat.
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Just research the effects of sugar on the body. If that doesn't convince you that sugar is bad, then just keep doing what you're doing and good luck!
Consumption of sucrose and high fructose corn syrup does not increase liver fat or ectopic fat deposition in muscles
http://www.nrcresearchpress.com/doi/pdf/10.1139/apnm-2012-0322
http://www.ers.usda.gov/Data/foodconsumption/FoodGuideIndex.htm
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19486715
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19064539
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18065574
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17616770
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17991646
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3592650
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2178391?dopt=Abstract
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1799283?dopt=Abstract
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15181085?dopt=Abstract
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19386821?dopt=Abstract
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20047139
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18996880
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19064536?dopt=Abstract
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18996851?dopt=Abstract
I didn't go through all of them but most of the studies compare HFCS with Sugar... my claim is that both are poor diet choices.
I'd be interested in any research indicating significant harm of high sugar intake as compared to a diet of similar macro content but with lower sugar.0 -
Alright, OP. I enjoyed your first few posts because I liked looking at all the pictures and even decided to treat myself and try one in the future. I got your message.
But you're starting to become a little much here-this is like the third post and it's starting to look like you want start a fight.
You know a lot of people here are on much lower calorie diets and are jealous and are going to pick a fight.
So why keep picking the nerve?
I bring it up because I have a lot of success with weight loss and health doing it this way, but every time I offer advise I'm chastised over eating "pop tarts & ice cream". It actually isn't about pop tarts or ice cream, it's about knowing you can achieve all your goals eating anything you want. You don't have to be on a fad diet or not eat things you enjoy to do this. That's the point.
it's because you ignore the fact that people eating normal amounts of calories can't eat the same amounts of crap you do every day. you say "i've had so much success" but you're the exception, not the norm. the average person eating 1,200-2,000 cal/day CAN'T eat 2,000 calories of pop tarts, ice cream, cookies, etc.
this false equality assumption your making is the point.
I never said eat 2,000 calories of pop tarts or whatever. I said eat 20 - 25% of your daily allowance of whatever you want.
dude... your diary has anywhere from 1500-2000 cal from cookies, pop tarts, ice cream and other heavily processed empty calorie foods. that's more than 20-25% correct?
i'll give you this. the essence of your point is correct - as long as your nutritional needs are met, the rest doesn't matter QUITE so much - but your implementation of it is flawed.
and so you know, I never recommend giving up something if you really love it - my suggestion though is usually around 10% as opposed to a quarter to half of your intake.
This is where we diverge. Unless is comes out of the ground or straight off a bone you consider it empty calories. By definition of the word a calorie can't be empty. It is a unit of measurement, based on nutritional value per unit of weight of food. We all know the 4 cal / g for carb, 4 cal / g for Protein, 9 cal / g for fat. So you're telling me the fat, carbs, & protein in the cookies or whatever doesn't count? Or the the nutrients fortified or not? If you start with bio-availability you better not be cooking your meat.
we've literally had this exact discussion multiple times. i've given you the description of empty calories, but for some reason you don't believe they exist.
also, your assessment of MY description of empty calories is ridiculous. Here's what I consider empty calories: processed foods that were stripped of all nutrients, and then re-fortified "enriched" to add nutrients back in. Those nutrients are not as bio-available as the real thing, which means just because it says 10% iron, doesn't mean you're getting anywhere NEAR that much iron from it. ok? and most of the calories come from refined sugar which provide no nutritional benefits.
thus... empty calories.0 -
Alright, OP. I enjoyed your first few posts because I liked looking at all the pictures and even decided to treat myself and try one in the future. I got your message.
But you're starting to become a little much here-this is like the third post and it's starting to look like you want start a fight.
You know a lot of people here are on much lower calorie diets and are jealous and are going to pick a fight.
So why keep picking the nerve?
I bring it up because I have a lot of success with weight loss and health doing it this way, but every time I offer advise I'm chastised over eating "pop tarts & ice cream". It actually isn't about pop tarts or ice cream, it's about knowing you can achieve all your goals eating anything you want. You don't have to be on a fad diet or not eat things you enjoy to do this. That's the point.
it's because you ignore the fact that people eating normal amounts of calories can't eat the same amounts of crap you do every day. you say "i've had so much success" but you're the exception, not the norm. the average person eating 1,200-2,000 cal/day CAN'T eat 2,000 calories of pop tarts, ice cream, cookies, etc.
this false equality assumption your making is the point.
I never said eat 2,000 calories of pop tarts or whatever. I said eat 20 - 25% of your daily allowance of whatever you want.
dude... your diary has anywhere from 1500-2000 cal from cookies, pop tarts, ice cream and other heavily processed empty calorie foods. that's more than 20-25% correct?
i'll give you this. the essence of your point is correct - as long as your nutritional needs are met, the rest doesn't matter QUITE so much - but your implementation of it is flawed.
and so you know, I never recommend giving up something if you really love it - my suggestion though is usually around 10% as opposed to a quarter to half of your intake.
This is where we diverge. Unless is comes out of the ground or straight off a bone you consider it empty calories. By definition of the word a calorie can't be empty. It is a unit of measurement, based on nutritional value per unit of weight of food. We all know the 4 cal / g for carb, 4 cal / g for Protein, 9 cal / g for fat. So you're telling me the fat, carbs, & protein in the cookies or whatever doesn't count? Or the the nutrients fortified or not? If you start with bio-availability you better not be cooking your meat.
we've literally had this exact discussion multiple times. i've given you the description of empty calories, but for some reason you don't believe they exist.
also, your assessment of MY description of empty calories is ridiculous. Here's what I consider empty calories: processed foods that were stripped of all nutrients, and then re-fortified "enriched" to add nutrients back in. Those nutrients are not as bio-available as the real thing, which means just because it says 10% iron, doesn't mean you're getting anywhere NEAR that much iron from it. ok? and most of the calories come from refined sugar which provide no nutritional benefits.
thus... empty calories.
I'll ignore the micronutrients, just for the sake of conversation. So you mean to tell me the fat/carbs/protein of these products have been stripped and/or don't count either?
Also I'd like to point out, again for conversation sake, only 25% of a pop tarts calories come from sugar.0 -
Alright, OP. I enjoyed your first few posts because I liked looking at all the pictures and even decided to treat myself and try one in the future. I got your message.
But you're starting to become a little much here-this is like the third post and it's starting to look like you want start a fight.
You know a lot of people here are on much lower calorie diets and are jealous and are going to pick a fight.
So why keep picking the nerve?
I bring it up because I have a lot of success with weight loss and health doing it this way, but every time I offer advise I'm chastised over eating "pop tarts & ice cream". It actually isn't about pop tarts or ice cream, it's about knowing you can achieve all your goals eating anything you want. You don't have to be on a fad diet or not eat things you enjoy to do this. That's the point.
it's because you ignore the fact that people eating normal amounts of calories can't eat the same amounts of crap you do every day. you say "i've had so much success" but you're the exception, not the norm. the average person eating 1,200-2,000 cal/day CAN'T eat 2,000 calories of pop tarts, ice cream, cookies, etc.
this false equality assumption your making is the point.
I never said eat 2,000 calories of pop tarts or whatever. I said eat 20 - 25% of your daily allowance of whatever you want.
dude... your diary has anywhere from 1500-2000 cal from cookies, pop tarts, ice cream and other heavily processed empty calorie foods. that's more than 20-25% correct?
i'll give you this. the essence of your point is correct - as long as your nutritional needs are met, the rest doesn't matter QUITE so much - but your implementation of it is flawed.
and so you know, I never recommend giving up something if you really love it - my suggestion though is usually around 10% as opposed to a quarter to half of your intake.
This is where we diverge. Unless is comes out of the ground or straight off a bone you consider it empty calories. By definition of the word a calorie can't be empty. It is a unit of measurement, based on nutritional value per unit of weight of food. We all know the 4 cal / g for carb, 4 cal / g for Protein, 9 cal / g for fat. So you're telling me the fat, carbs, & protein in the cookies or whatever doesn't count? Or the the nutrients fortified or not? If you start with bio-availability you better not be cooking your meat.
we've literally had this exact discussion multiple times. i've given you the description of empty calories, but for some reason you don't believe they exist.
also, your assessment of MY description of empty calories is ridiculous. Here's what I consider empty calories: processed foods that were stripped of all nutrients, and then re-fortified "enriched" to add nutrients back in. Those nutrients are not as bio-available as the real thing, which means just because it says 10% iron, doesn't mean you're getting anywhere NEAR that much iron from it. ok? and most of the calories come from refined sugar which provide no nutritional benefits.
thus... empty calories.
I'll ignore the micronutrients, just for the sake of conversation. So you mean to tell me the fat/carbs/protein of these products have been stripped and/or don't count either?
Also I'd like to point out, again for conversation sake, only 25% of a pop tarts calories come from sugar.
the carbs are sugar as well when they're broken down. refined sugar. no nutrients accept those that were added in through "enriching"0 -
Glad to see an awesome loser is eating sweets ............. I havent had a poptart since august 2012.
Maybe I will go get a package of them. I know its easier to lose weight if I eat only unprocessed foods at my height and weight but
I just dont want to eat like that 100% of the time. I am glad that you say 20-25%. That makes logical sense.0 -
I would try, but I manage to lose weight, put on muscle, and train hard on a diet that includes liberal amounts of ice cream and Pop Tarts whenever I want them. Which is about the same amount of time that you consume them.
So much for that argument.0 -
Alright, OP. I enjoyed your first few posts because I liked looking at all the pictures and even decided to treat myself and try one in the future. I got your message.
But you're starting to become a little much here-this is like the third post and it's starting to look like you want start a fight.
You know a lot of people here are on much lower calorie diets and are jealous and are going to pick a fight.
So why keep picking the nerve?
I bring it up because I have a lot of success with weight loss and health doing it this way, but every time I offer advise I'm chastised over eating "pop tarts & ice cream". It actually isn't about pop tarts or ice cream, it's about knowing you can achieve all your goals eating anything you want. You don't have to be on a fad diet or not eat things you enjoy to do this. That's the point.
Well let's put it this way OP, 4000 calories per day is not realistic for most people wanting to lose weight.0 -
Alright, OP. I enjoyed your first few posts because I liked looking at all the pictures and even decided to treat myself and try one in the future. I got your message.
But you're starting to become a little much here-this is like the third post and it's starting to look like you want start a fight.
You know a lot of people here are on much lower calorie diets and are jealous and are going to pick a fight.
So why keep picking the nerve?
I bring it up because I have a lot of success with weight loss and health doing it this way, but every time I offer advise I'm chastised over eating "pop tarts & ice cream". It actually isn't about pop tarts or ice cream, it's about knowing you can achieve all your goals eating anything you want. You don't have to be on a fad diet or not eat things you enjoy to do this. That's the point.
Well let's put it this way OP, 4000 calories per day is not realistic for most people wanting to lose weight.
It's not about ice cream or pop tarts or 4000 caloriew. I eat pizza, french toast, and ice cream on 2000 or fewer calories a day. It's about focusing on nutrients and eating whatever makes you happy to get there.0 -
There is nothing wrong with any of it. I live on it. The only thing you have to watch for is sodium and blood pressure. Which is why they make blood pressure meds. Inhibit your kidney from retaining water and keep on eating all the pop tarts in the world. Yes, serious.
Does your doc know that you eat that much sugar? Eating a lot of sugar may cause high serum uric acid which is likely a causative agent in not only hypertension, but renal disease and failure. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23439375
You might want to have your uric acid level checked. Google "hyperuricemia and hypertension". Here's an article to start with: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23089272
From the article: "Although more research is clearly necessary, the available data suggest that uric acid is likely causative in some cases of early onset hypertension." If you have hypertension at your age, I wouldn't be so confident that B.P. meds will solve all problems. By the time that B.P. is sodium dependent, there may have already been significant renal damage.0 -
the carbs are sugar as well when they're broken down.
Today's word is "Tautology"
Can you say "Tautology"?
I bet you can.0 -
Glad to see an awesome loser is eating sweets ............. I havent had a poptart since august 2012.
Maybe I will go get a package of them. I know its easier to lose weight if I eat only unprocessed foods at my height and weight but
I just dont want to eat like that 100% of the time. I am glad that you say 20-25%. That makes logical sense.
As a woman, you likely cannot get away with as much liberty as the OP. A woman's leptin levels are 2 to 3 times that of a man at the same B.F. level. You may be playing with fire. Just sayin'.0 -
Alright, OP. I enjoyed your first few posts because I liked looking at all the pictures and even decided to treat myself and try one in the future. I got your message.
But you're starting to become a little much here-this is like the third post and it's starting to look like you want start a fight.
You know a lot of people here are on much lower calorie diets and are jealous and are going to pick a fight.
So why keep picking the nerve?
I bring it up because I have a lot of success with weight loss and health doing it this way, but every time I offer advise I'm chastised over eating "pop tarts & ice cream". It actually isn't about pop tarts or ice cream, it's about knowing you can achieve all your goals eating anything you want. You don't have to be on a fad diet or not eat things you enjoy to do this. That's the point.
Well let's put it this way OP, 4000 calories per day is not realistic for most people wanting to lose weight.
20 - 25% , doesn't matter what your total intake is. I get to eat more because mine's higher, that's all that means. I never said go eat 1000 calories a day of XXXX food.0 -
There is nothing wrong with any of it. I live on it. The only thing you have to watch for is sodium and blood pressure. Which is why they make blood pressure meds. Inhibit your kidney from retaining water and keep on eating all the pop tarts in the world. Yes, serious.
Does your doc know that you eat that much sugar? Eating a lot of sugar may cause high serum uric acid which is likely a causative agent in not only hypertension, but renal disease and failure. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23439375
You might want to have your uric acid level checked. Google "hyperuricemia and hypertension". Here's an article to start with: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23089272
From the article: "Although more research is clearly necessary, the available data suggest that uric acid is likely causative in some cases of early onset hypertension." If you have hypertension at your age, I wouldn't be so confident that B.P. meds will solve all problems. By the time that B.P. is sodium dependent, there may have already been significant renal damage.
Already answered this the first time you asked. As of two weeks ago 3.2 mg/dL. Low end of average. Thanks.0 -
Alright, OP. I enjoyed your first few posts because I liked looking at all the pictures and even decided to treat myself and try one in the future. I got your message.
But you're starting to become a little much here-this is like the third post and it's starting to look like you want start a fight.
You know a lot of people here are on much lower calorie diets and are jealous and are going to pick a fight.
So why keep picking the nerve?
I bring it up because I have a lot of success with weight loss and health doing it this way, but every time I offer advise I'm chastised over eating "pop tarts & ice cream". It actually isn't about pop tarts or ice cream, it's about knowing you can achieve all your goals eating anything you want. You don't have to be on a fad diet or not eat things you enjoy to do this. That's the point.
Well let's put it this way OP, 4000 calories per day is not realistic for most people wanting to lose weight.
20 - 25% , doesn't matter what your total intake is. I get to eat more because mine's higher, that's all that means. I never said go eat 1000 calories a day of XXXX food.
his diary is open. anyone who wants to see if his claim of 25% is consistent with his actions, check it out.0
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