Convince me Pop Tarts & ice cream are bad.
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Just popping in to ogle and giggle at where the analogy of poptarts = unbounded sexuality.
Continue on.
Will have to catch up on all the pages later in this thread. Seems like an interesting convo
ETA: For the record, I don't see anything wrong with either
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Alright, OP. I enjoyed your first few posts because I liked looking at all the pictures and even decided to treat myself and try one in the future. I got your message.
But you're starting to become a little much here-this is like the third post and it's starting to look like you want start a fight.
You know a lot of people here are on much lower calorie diets and are jealous and are going to pick a fight.
So why keep picking the nerve?
For those who want to pick fights: Mag is nothing but considerate of other people and what they are going through. He's been there and is a great role model to his friends on here. There IS a point here and if you think it's too much, why are you keeping up with the threads? The only fight here is to prove to people who do not understand that you can still LOSE and maintain while not giving up all the things you love. It's simple. He even proves that by posting his stats on BP, cholesterol, etc. Can't really argue with that! He's trying to HELP people see they can still eat some of what they love and get where they want to go. I think that people who are jealous that he can eat so much and not gain need to friend him and watch what he does and learn from it. There is a lot to learn from him and his routines. He eats a lot, yes, but he also works HARD at what he is doing EVERY day. There is an obvious method to everything he does and a reason. No need for jealousy, that is just ridiculous (and childish). Work as hard as he has worked to lose 158 lbs and then whine about what he does to maintain. He has it down to a science to live and eat like he wants to, works hard to achieve it and he deserves every bite of pop tart and ice cream he takes. I personally think he should go for the red velvet cake and find some white chocolate ice cream to slap in between those bad boys! YUM!0 -
Commenting because I want to see this thread's continuation. OP has a take on a diet that I think makes sense. Will I a 5' 2" woman ever be able to eat anywhere near his totals? NO. But that's because my exercise level wouldn't support that. His concept of 20-25% of your intake being foods for satiating craving rather than meeting macro needs makes sense. It seems perfectly sustainable to me.
That's not 2 packs of Pop-Tarts and a buncha ice cream for me (though that would be nice ), it's 4 starburst and a good dark beer one day. Another it's a serving of chocolove chocolate and a homemade iced coffee. His concept isn't EAT ALL THE POPTARTS. It's eat what you want (in relationship your limit) so that you don't go off the deep end.
Seems like a discretionary budget to me, the money you buy that hat that you really don't need with, that awesome new pair of kicks... whatever gets you jonsing without filing for bankruptcy.
that all makes sense until you look at his actual diary that includes 2,200 calories today of pop tarts, ice cream, waffles and cornbread from a mix totalling 177 grams of sugar and 57% of his daily caloric intake.
that's the only point i've ever been trying to make. I agree that you should eat a certain percentage of foods you love every day if that's what you want to do. 20%... whatever, go for it. But 57%? Is there anyone in here who would offer to try magerum's diet and turn over 50% of your calories into pop tarts, ice cream and waffles?
Is he a nice guy? Yeah actually I think so! Is he supportive of other peoples' journeys? Absolutely! But I personally don't think it's fair to the people on these boards who are working incredibly hard to fine tune their diets and lose weight eating healthy foods for you to go around posting thread after thread about pop tarts and ice cream, knowing FULL WELL that most people can't do what you do and succeed.
If what you actually talked about (and practiced) was eating "junk" foods as 20% of your diet, I wouldn't fight you, but it's the hypocrisy and the food porn that's just plain ridiculous and insulting to people who don't have it quite so easy as you do and have to WORK INCREDIBLY HARD to lose weight.
sorry for the rant... hope I didn't offend.0 -
Commenting because I want to see this thread's continuation. OP has a take on a diet that I think makes sense. Will I a 5' 2" woman ever be able to eat anywhere near his totals? NO. But that's because my exercise level wouldn't support that. His concept of 20-25% of your intake being foods for satiating craving rather than meeting macro needs makes sense. It seems perfectly sustainable to me.
That's not 2 packs of Pop-Tarts and a buncha ice cream for me (though that would be nice ), it's 4 starburst and a good dark beer one day. Another it's a serving of chocolove chocolate and a homemade iced coffee. His concept isn't EAT ALL THE POPTARTS. It's eat what you want (in relationship your limit) so that you don't go off the deep end.
Seems like a discretionary budget to me, the money you buy that hat that you really don't need with, that awesome new pair of kicks... whatever gets you jonsing without filing for bankruptcy.
that all makes sense until you look at his actual diary that includes 2,200 calories today of pop tarts, ice cream, waffles and cornbread from a mix totalling 177 grams of sugar and 57% of his daily caloric intake.
that's the only point i've ever been trying to make. I agree that you should eat a certain percentage of foods you love every day if that's what you want to do. 20%... whatever, go for it. But 57%? Is there anyone in here who would offer to try magerum's diet and turn over 50% of your calories into pop tarts, ice cream and waffles?
Is he a nice guy? Yeah actually I think so! Is he supportive of other peoples' journeys? Absolutely! But I personally don't think it's fair to the people on these boards who are working incredibly hard to fine tune their diets and lose weight eating healthy foods for you to go around posting thread after thread about pop tarts and ice cream, knowing FULL WELL that most people can't do what you do and succeed.
If what you actually talked about (and practiced) was eating "junk" foods as 20% of your diet, I wouldn't fight you, but it's the hypocrisy and the food porn that's just plain ridiculous and insulting to people who don't have it quite so easy as you do and have to WORK INCREDIBLY HARD to lose weight.
sorry for the rant... hope I didn't offend.
You didn't offend me (and I'm who you quoted here). The threads here seem to be a really strange mix of supportive and asinine to me. I noticed the pop tarts and ice cream thing going on before I had any idea who the man behind the threads was/what he burned and what he ate. I saw the pop tart and the ice cream and went... Huh. Interesting. I thought it was interesting because I had never thought of it. Was I tempted to try it? No. Because I knew it doesn't fit in my goals right now. I eat sweets within my calorie goals because they're yummy! When I'm places where I don't control the content of my food as well right now, I back those off a bit. I think that the whole weight loss thing is less what you see on the boards and more personal responsibility. Food porn is everywhere, the grocery store, the TV, the scent of fried potatoes while you drive down the road. It's up to use to eat, drink and enjoy responsibly.
Would I turn 57% of my calories over to pop tarts and waffles? Nope. But, that's because my range is much lower than his. I wouldn't eat enough other stuff to keep me satiated if I did that. He clearly seems to.
I peeked at your food diary CoachReddy and saw that you're at just under 3000, do you feel full at the end of what you eat everyday? If you had to eat 1000 more to maintain your body at the weight that you wanted what would you fill it with? It's just something to think about.
It seems like, and Mag can correct me if he likes, I am adjusting my calories down to meet my goals (by limiting my sweet to a lower percentage), and he is adjusting his up to meet his goals.0 -
I will not. You got it right bro! hahaha I too enjoy these things and have done so while losing nearly as much weight as yourself...unfortunately without exercise they caught back up to me, so I gotta work my way back down! lol
i think this is my point in a nutshell. if you eat primarily whole foods, what you experienced is much, MUCH less likely to happen. eating the types of foods I eat and in the quantities I eat them, even if I stop exercising I won't gain weight, or not significantly.
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Pop tarts are bad because they taste horrible.
Ice cream I have no beef with.
haha this!!!
ETA: ice cream that has no additives. cream, milk sugar. thank you!0 -
Commenting because I want to see this thread's continuation. OP has a take on a diet that I think makes sense. Will I a 5' 2" woman ever be able to eat anywhere near his totals? NO. But that's because my exercise level wouldn't support that. His concept of 20-25% of your intake being foods for satiating craving rather than meeting macro needs makes sense. It seems perfectly sustainable to me.
That's not 2 packs of Pop-Tarts and a buncha ice cream for me (though that would be nice ), it's 4 starburst and a good dark beer one day. Another it's a serving of chocolove chocolate and a homemade iced coffee. His concept isn't EAT ALL THE POPTARTS. It's eat what you want (in relationship your limit) so that you don't go off the deep end.
Seems like a discretionary budget to me, the money you buy that hat that you really don't need with, that awesome new pair of kicks... whatever gets you jonsing without filing for bankruptcy.
that all makes sense until you look at his actual diary that includes 2,200 calories today of pop tarts, ice cream, waffles and cornbread from a mix totalling 177 grams of sugar and 57% of his daily caloric intake.
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If what you actually talked about (and practiced) was eating "junk" foods as 20% of your diet, I wouldn't fight you, but it's the hypocrisy and the food porn that's just plain ridiculous and insulting to people who don't have it quite so easy as you do and have to WORK INCREDIBLY HARD to lose weight.
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Four starburst and a beer isn't 650 calories, which is the amount of processed crap that you would have to consume to compare to his diet. You'd feel like crap and you wouldn't be successful... it's not a small indulgence (shhhhh I have a bowl a jelly bellys on my desk that I pop in my mouth when I'm stressed and want a cigarette (i quit smoking but the urge is always there)) I'll take the extra 50-75 wasted sugar calories in comparison because its a small indulgence and serves a purpose. It's not consistent and not overwhelming. Thus it is predominantly negligible.0 -
My diary is open and I'm fairly consistent. Today is a good example of my typical day. The last few weeks I have been a bit more liberal with my diet as I'm coming up to a goal change at the end of the month. Go beyond that and you'll see major consistency (to the point of OCD almost). I advocate allowing yourself 20-25% of your daily caloric intake to consist of anything you want if you're able to hit your macro/micro nutrient needs & goals. For me, based on my intake goals, that's 800 -1000 calories, which I primarily have been allocating to sugar.
I would love to see how my surgary food is nutrient deficient as well, as I'm quite often told. Please show me in detail. Set me right. I log everything and their nutritional values are easily found online. For instance there's 14 g of sugar in one 200 cal Pop Tart. That leaves 144 calories of "other stuff". Is this other stuff air or is it fats/carbs/protein (even 10% of the RDA of 7 micro-nutrients) that are required nutrients?
TLDR: THIS GUY IS CLEARLY MAKING ICE CREAM SANDWICHES... He obviously has the secret of living for-ev-er0 -
TLDR: THIS GUY IS CLEARLY MAKING ICE CREAM SANDWICHES... He obviously has the secret of living for-ev-er
HA! Good work, detective!
Pop-tarts are naaaaaaaasty (p<.01)0 -
I'm 43 years old, not a baby, and derive happiness from eating. Every day. So that statement is easily falsified by observed reality.Only babies derive happiness from what they put in their mouths. Hedonism is always a mistake. Therein does not true joy lie.
Enjoying eating is not "hedonism." There is an entire spectrum, much of which is healthy moderation. You are presenting a false dichotomy that the only options are hedonism or misery.
I suppose sex for pleasure is also "a mistake."
Not within healthy bounds. It is a part of a healthy and fulfilling marital relationship. But unbounded sexuality has produced a great deal of human tragedy. However, that is to derail the subject at hand--sorry OP.
I think you and I probably have a different definition of happiness. I could NEVER imagine seeking it in food.
^^ I don't mean to be rude, but with 100lbs to lose (great job on making it more than half way, btw! ) I'd wager that at one stage you must have indeed sought "something" from food beyond general sustenance.
In any event, each to their own, I personally know that the prospect of a lifetime without treats simply isn't sustainable - FOR ME - and after years of yo-yo dieting (the last few being focused on a 'paleo' approach) I've come to realise that long term success means learning to incorporate in reasonable portions the less-than-stellar choices to maintain a sense of enjoyment around food :-)
And I have no shame in deriving pleasure from eating.
I had no prior knowledge/awareness of OP and the pop tart debate, but I've enjoyed the thread, particularly the holier-than-thou responses over the last few pages :-D0 -
I personally think your calorie intake given your life style and your fitness level is fine, I eat almost 3000 a day and i am a 41 year old 133 pound female. Now as far as your diet is concerned the only issue I can see being a possible problem down the ROAD is a sugar issue. Back in my early 30's I could knock bag a BIG tootsie roll daily and a dark chocolate bar for fun. Daily and this did NOT affect my weight, I am OCD and when you follow a routine most of the time everything falls into place. My weight wasn't a factor in why I took majority of the sugary sweets out of my diet. I started a new job 5 years ago, very physical.... now already doing physcial activity I found myself needing some extra energy. Long story short.... seemed like every time I had sugar, within an hour I was exhausted. I was having sugar spikes ~ NOW YOUR CASE is a little different in that your ice cream actually isn't that bad for you, in all other areas (proteins, carbs exc.) frankly if you were to compare your poptarts to a chocolate bar you are still ahead of the game. If I was YOU..... listen to your body. If you want the sugar and have no medical NEED to NOT eat it......then EAT it! You live once, live for yourself. I try to live a clean healthy life style but that is what I WANT. If you want your poptarts....and by all your info you are healthy then eat the damn things!!!!0
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u can bite out the shape of a gun with a poptart and be a threat to the comunity0
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I will not. You got it right bro! hahaha I too enjoy these things and have done so while losing nearly as much weight as yourself...unfortunately without exercise they caught back up to me, so I gotta work my way back down! lol
i think this is my point in a nutshell. if you eat primarily whole foods, what you experienced is much, MUCH less likely to happen. eating the types of foods I eat and in the quantities I eat them, even if I stop exercising I won't gain weight, or not significantly.
Okay, quick question. You are only 24 years old, you have "0" pounds to lose. I am curious. Were you ever overweight? If so, how overweight were you? Do you have pictures of this? Have you ever had issues with food at all? Sometimes, if we have not walked in a person's shoes, we don't understand everything they deal with. It's easy to tell people how to eat or how not to eat, but if you have never lived this life - you really have no true idea what it takes to succeed. Not critizing you at all, just curious.0 -
I will not. You got it right bro! hahaha I too enjoy these things and have done so while losing nearly as much weight as yourself...unfortunately without exercise they caught back up to me, so I gotta work my way back down! lol
i think this is my point in a nutshell. if you eat primarily whole foods, what you experienced is much, MUCH less likely to happen. eating the types of foods I eat and in the quantities I eat them, even if I stop exercising I won't gain weight, or not significantly.
Okay, quick question. You are only 24 years old, you have "0" pounds to lose. I am curious. Were you ever overweight? If so, how overweight were you? Do you have pictures of this? Have you ever had issues with food at all? Sometimes, if we have not walked in a person's shoes, we don't understand everything they deal with. It's easy to tell people how to eat or how not to eat, but if you have never lived this life - you really have no true idea what it takes to succeed. Not critizing you at all, just curious.
YOUR ability to control that goes into YOUR mouth does not make foods bad. It means you simply have an inability to stop eating.
That does not make the food bad per se, it makes your own behavioral issues apparent.0 -
I personally think your calorie intake given your life style and your fitness level is fine, I eat almost 3000 a day and i am a 41 year old 133 pound female. Now as far as your diet is concerned the only issue I can see being a possible problem down the ROAD is a sugar issue. Back in my early 30's I could knock bag a BIG tootsie roll daily and a dark chocolate bar for fun. Daily and this did NOT affect my weight, I am OCD and when you follow a routine most of the time everything falls into place. My weight wasn't a factor in why I took majority of the sugary sweets out of my diet. I started a new job 5 years ago, very physical.... now already doing physcial activity I found myself needing some extra energy. Long story short.... seemed like every time I had sugar, within an hour I was exhausted. I was having sugar spikes ~ NOW YOUR CASE is a little different in that your ice cream actually isn't that bad for you, in all other areas (proteins, carbs exc.) frankly if you were to compare your poptarts to a chocolate bar you are still ahead of the game. If I was YOU..... listen to your body. If you want the sugar and have no medical NEED to NOT eat it......then EAT it! You live once, live for yourself. I try to live a clean healthy life style but that is what I WANT. If you want your poptarts....and by all your info you are healthy then eat the damn things!!!!
... yeah... this just changed my mind.
I eat "clean" because I WANT to and I really enjoy it. I think that's what a lot of folks throwing out the orthorexic term don't understand. But that said, obviously the same things don't make everyone happy, and... yeah as long as you're really truly listening to your body and are honest with yourself and your health markers show no risks... I guess it makes sense to do whatever it is that makes you happy and helps you reach your personal goals. If you would hate eating the way I do, then it makes no sense to do it.
So... im still going to advocate for whole foods and the cleaning up of diets - because for the majority it's still medically necessitated - but in your case magerum, do your thang. You know what you're doing. And if it reached a point where your health markers DID start to drop, it's not like you don't have the knowledge and tools to fix it.
But damn it Pop Tarts are STILL empty calories! I have to hold on to something.
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I will not. You got it right bro! hahaha I too enjoy these things and have done so while losing nearly as much weight as yourself...unfortunately without exercise they caught back up to me, so I gotta work my way back down! lol
i think this is my point in a nutshell. if you eat primarily whole foods, what you experienced is much, MUCH less likely to happen. eating the types of foods I eat and in the quantities I eat them, even if I stop exercising I won't gain weight, or not significantly.
Okay, quick question. You are only 24 years old, you have "0" pounds to lose. I am curious. Were you ever overweight? If so, how overweight were you? Do you have pictures of this? Have you ever had issues with food at all? Sometimes, if we have not walked in a person's shoes, we don't understand everything they deal with. It's easy to tell people how to eat or how not to eat, but if you have never lived this life - you really have no true idea what it takes to succeed. Not critizing you at all, just curious.
YOUR ability to control that goes into YOUR mouth does not make foods bad. It means you simply have an inability to stop eating.
That does not make the food bad per se, it makes your own behavioral issues apparent.
Was this aimed at my comment, because if so, it makes no sense. I don't believe I said anything about food being bad or good or having an inability to control what goes into my mouth.0 -
I will not. You got it right bro! hahaha I too enjoy these things and have done so while losing nearly as much weight as yourself...unfortunately without exercise they caught back up to me, so I gotta work my way back down! lol
i think this is my point in a nutshell. if you eat primarily whole foods, what you experienced is much, MUCH less likely to happen. eating the types of foods I eat and in the quantities I eat them, even if I stop exercising I won't gain weight, or not significantly.
Okay, quick question. You are only 24 years old, you have "0" pounds to lose. I am curious. Were you ever overweight? If so, how overweight were you? Do you have pictures of this? Have you ever had issues with food at all? Sometimes, if we have not walked in a person's shoes, we don't understand everything they deal with. It's easy to tell people how to eat or how not to eat, but if you have never lived this life - you really have no true idea what it takes to succeed. Not critizing you at all, just curious.
YOUR ability to control that goes into YOUR mouth does not make foods bad. It means you simply have an inability to stop eating.
That does not make the food bad per se, it makes your own behavioral issues apparent.
Was this aimed at my comment, because if so, it makes no sense. I don't believe I said anything about food being bad or good or having an inability to control what goes into my mouth.
You were saying about do you know what it is like to be fat?
I was saying that this is a behavioral issues, and not to be labeled at food. There are plenty of people who don't get fat because they do not create a behavioral or emotional link (one of the same really) to food.
We all know what it is like to succeed, just because one has been overweight does not mean they know more about diet and control, it shows the opposite - the thinner person has actually shown the ability to control intake and take their problems away from food and behavioral or emotional issues with it.0 -
I will not. You got it right bro! hahaha I too enjoy these things and have done so while losing nearly as much weight as yourself...unfortunately without exercise they caught back up to me, so I gotta work my way back down! lol
i think this is my point in a nutshell. if you eat primarily whole foods, what you experienced is much, MUCH less likely to happen. eating the types of foods I eat and in the quantities I eat them, even if I stop exercising I won't gain weight, or not significantly.
Okay, quick question. You are only 24 years old, you have "0" pounds to lose. I am curious. Were you ever overweight? If so, how overweight were you? Do you have pictures of this? Have you ever had issues with food at all? Sometimes, if we have not walked in a person's shoes, we don't understand everything they deal with. It's easy to tell people how to eat or how not to eat, but if you have never lived this life - you really have no true idea what it takes to succeed. Not critizing you at all, just curious.
YOUR ability to control that goes into YOUR mouth does not make foods bad. It means you simply have an inability to stop eating.
That does not make the food bad per se, it makes your own behavioral issues apparent.
Was this aimed at my comment, because if so, it makes no sense. I don't believe I said anything about food being bad or good or having an inability to control what goes into my mouth.
You were saying about do you know what it is like to be fat?
I was saying that this is a behavioral issues, and not to be labeled at food. There are plenty of people who don't get fat because they do not create a behavioral or emotional link (one of the same really) to food.
We all know what it is like to succeed, just because one has been overweight does not mean they know more about diet and control, it shows the opposite - the thinner person has actually shown the ability to control intake and take their problems away from food and behavioral or emotional issues with it.
Possibly. However, there are many issues related to being overweight. I understand that mine were related to emotional issues and also not moving enough. That's all changing. It's just that sometimes, it's beneficial to have overcome a problem when trying to teach others. I'm not saying that someone who has been a healthy weight can not teach about nutrition & other healthy habits. But you will concede that some of the best helpers are people who have walked the walk. I'm thinking about people who counsel on domestic violence, rape, illnesses such as cancer. And speaking from the perspective of having been overweight, I relate better to someone who has been successful in losing weight and keeping it off. They TRULY understand the challenges, the slips, and how to keep going. I find people who have been thin and in shape all their lives, the last people I want to hear advice from. That's just me - probably another issue to work on (lol). But, there it is.0 -
I will not. You got it right bro! hahaha I too enjoy these things and have done so while losing nearly as much weight as yourself...unfortunately without exercise they caught back up to me, so I gotta work my way back down! lol
i think this is my point in a nutshell. if you eat primarily whole foods, what you experienced is much, MUCH less likely to happen. eating the types of foods I eat and in the quantities I eat them, even if I stop exercising I won't gain weight, or not significantly.
Okay, quick question. You are only 24 years old, you have "0" pounds to lose. I am curious. Were you ever overweight? If so, how overweight were you? Do you have pictures of this? Have you ever had issues with food at all? Sometimes, if we have not walked in a person's shoes, we don't understand everything they deal with. It's easy to tell people how to eat or how not to eat, but if you have never lived this life - you really have no true idea what it takes to succeed. Not critizing you at all, just curious.
I'm 26, and no, I've never been overweight. Genetics. It isnt fashionable, but being super skinny isn't really the most exciting thing in the world for a guy in his late teens and early 20s. It's tough for me to put on muscle/weight, but I've done it and will continue to do it as healthily as I can. Not all struggles look the same, though I won't go so far as to equate mine completely with yours. But regardless, that doesn't mean I don't understand it, having worked with many people to help them lose significant amounts of weight. I get it. It ain't easy.
And as far as "not knowing what it takes to succeed" - I'm a decent lookin kid with a bit of talent living in NYC trying to make it as an actor not having the connections others have, not having a big theatre school on my resume, not having my daddy pay my rent, and having lost my ability to sing and even speak normally while dealing with mysterious hoarseness for over a year and a half. There were already a million guys like me - now Im fighting my own nervous, muscular and digestive system just to be able to audition confidently again and live a normal life where I can go out with friends and not worry about not being able to even speak over the bar noise.
Sory for going OT, but we all have our ****.0 -
I will not. You got it right bro! hahaha I too enjoy these things and have done so while losing nearly as much weight as yourself...unfortunately without exercise they caught back up to me, so I gotta work my way back down! lol
i think this is my point in a nutshell. if you eat primarily whole foods, what you experienced is much, MUCH less likely to happen. eating the types of foods I eat and in the quantities I eat them, even if I stop exercising I won't gain weight, or not significantly.
Okay, quick question. You are only 24 years old, you have "0" pounds to lose. I am curious. Were you ever overweight? If so, how overweight were you? Do you have pictures of this? Have you ever had issues with food at all? Sometimes, if we have not walked in a person's shoes, we don't understand everything they deal with. It's easy to tell people how to eat or how not to eat, but if you have never lived this life - you really have no true idea what it takes to succeed. Not critizing you at all, just curious.
YOUR ability to control that goes into YOUR mouth does not make foods bad. It means you simply have an inability to stop eating.
That does not make the food bad per se, it makes your own behavioral issues apparent.
Was this aimed at my comment, because if so, it makes no sense. I don't believe I said anything about food being bad or good or having an inability to control what goes into my mouth.
You were saying about do you know what it is like to be fat?
I was saying that this is a behavioral issues, and not to be labeled at food. There are plenty of people who don't get fat because they do not create a behavioral or emotional link (one of the same really) to food.
We all know what it is like to succeed, just because one has been overweight does not mean they know more about diet and control, it shows the opposite - the thinner person has actually shown the ability to control intake and take their problems away from food and behavioral or emotional issues with it.
Possibly. However, there are many issues related to being overweight. I understand that mine were related to emotional issues and also not moving enough. That's all changing. It's just that sometimes, it's beneficial to have overcome a problem when trying to teach others. I'm not saying that someone who has been a healthy weight can not teach about nutrition & other healthy habits. But you will concede that some of the best helpers are people who have walked the walk. I'm thinking about people who counsel on domestic violence, rape, illnesses such as cancer. And speaking from the perspective of having been overweight, I relate better to someone who has been successful in losing weight and keeping it off. They TRULY understand the challenges, the slips, and how to keep going. I find people who have been thin and in shape all their lives, the last people I want to hear advice from. That's just me - probably another issue to work on (lol). But, there it is.
I'll concede there are some very good points in there.0 -
I will not. You got it right bro! hahaha I too enjoy these things and have done so while losing nearly as much weight as yourself...unfortunately without exercise they caught back up to me, so I gotta work my way back down! lol
i think this is my point in a nutshell. if you eat primarily whole foods, what you experienced is much, MUCH less likely to happen. eating the types of foods I eat and in the quantities I eat them, even if I stop exercising I won't gain weight, or not significantly.
Okay, quick question. You are only 24 years old, you have "0" pounds to lose. I am curious. Were you ever overweight? If so, how overweight were you? Do you have pictures of this? Have you ever had issues with food at all? Sometimes, if we have not walked in a person's shoes, we don't understand everything they deal with. It's easy to tell people how to eat or how not to eat, but if you have never lived this life - you really have no true idea what it takes to succeed. Not critizing you at all, just curious.
I'm 26, and no, I've never been overweight. Genetics. It isnt fashionable, but being super skinny isn't really the most exciting thing in the world for a guy in his late teens and early 20s. It's tough for me to put on muscle/weight, but I've done it and will continue to do it as healthily as I can. Not all struggles look the same, though I won't go so far as to equate mine completely with yours. But regardless, that doesn't mean I don't understand it, having worked with many people to help them lose significant amounts of weight. I get it. It ain't easy.
And as far as "not knowing what it takes to succeed" - I'm a decent lookin kid with a bit of talent living in NYC trying to make it as an actor not having the connections others have, not having a big theatre school on my resume, not having my daddy pay my rent, and having lost my ability to sing and even speak normally while dealing with mysterious hoarseness for over a year and a half. There were already a million guys like me - now Im fighting my own nervous, muscular and digestive system just to be able to audition confidently again and live a normal life where I can go out with friends and not worry about not being able to even speak over the bar noise.
Sory for going OT, but we all have our ****.
Hey, I appreciate you for sharing that. Yes, we all have our struggles. Would you say that in overcoming your fears of the stage it would be helpful to get advice from someone who has maybe been successful at acting and can understand where that fear is coming from? Maybe they also had similar problems when they were starting out? My choice of wording about being successful was probably misplaced. I realize that we are all successful at some things - not so much at others. I was just saying that it's easier for me to take counsel from a person who has been where I was. Maybe it's something in my head. But they just make more sense to me. I truly wish you success in your career. Many great people overcame obstacles related to their voices. I wish the same for you.0 -
I will not. You got it right bro! hahaha I too enjoy these things and have done so while losing nearly as much weight as yourself...unfortunately without exercise they caught back up to me, so I gotta work my way back down! lol
i think this is my point in a nutshell. if you eat primarily whole foods, what you experienced is much, MUCH less likely to happen. eating the types of foods I eat and in the quantities I eat them, even if I stop exercising I won't gain weight, or not significantly.
Okay, quick question. You are only 24 years old, you have "0" pounds to lose. I am curious. Were you ever overweight? If so, how overweight were you? Do you have pictures of this? Have you ever had issues with food at all? Sometimes, if we have not walked in a person's shoes, we don't understand everything they deal with. It's easy to tell people how to eat or how not to eat, but if you have never lived this life - you really have no true idea what it takes to succeed. Not critizing you at all, just curious.
I'm 26, and no, I've never been overweight. Genetics. It isnt fashionable, but being super skinny isn't really the most exciting thing in the world for a guy in his late teens and early 20s. It's tough for me to put on muscle/weight, but I've done it and will continue to do it as healthily as I can. Not all struggles look the same, though I won't go so far as to equate mine completely with yours. But regardless, that doesn't mean I don't understand it, having worked with many people to help them lose significant amounts of weight. I get it. It ain't easy.
And as far as "not knowing what it takes to succeed" - I'm a decent lookin kid with a bit of talent living in NYC trying to make it as an actor not having the connections others have, not having a big theatre school on my resume, not having my daddy pay my rent, and having lost my ability to sing and even speak normally while dealing with mysterious hoarseness for over a year and a half. There were already a million guys like me - now Im fighting my own nervous, muscular and digestive system just to be able to audition confidently again and live a normal life where I can go out with friends and not worry about not being able to even speak over the bar noise.
Sory for going OT, but we all have our ****.
Hey, I appreciate you for sharing that. Yes, we all have our struggles. Would you say that in overcoming your fears of the stage it would be helpful to get advice from someone who has maybe been successful at acting and can understand where that fear is coming from? Maybe they also had similar problems when they were starting out? My choice of wording about being successful was probably misplaced. I realize that we are all successful at some things - not so much at others. I was just saying that it's easier for me to take counsel from a person who has been where I was. Maybe it's something in my head. But they just make more sense to me. I truly wish you success in your career. Many great people overcame obstacles related to their voices. I wish the same for you.
it's not fear of the stage... it's having medical problems related to an illness a year and a half back that messed up my larynx.
but in any case, I'm sorry that you only feel that someone who's gone through your EXACT situation has any credibility, because like it or not, all struggles are the same. You feel inadequate. You feel inferior. You keep asking yourself "why me"? Why did this happen to ME? How did I let myself get here? I know, because I ask myself the same questions. My voice problems are MY FAULT. The fact that I didn't take care of myself - the fact that I would do shows then go out and scream Journey at the top of my lungs while drinking and eating bad food. That lifestyle screwed me over in a big way. I did this to me. Just like you did it to yourself too. The guilt, the beating yourself up? I'm there. I've been there. I'm still dealing with it too.
Just because the exact circumstances aren't the same, doesn't mean a person can't understand what you're going through.0 -
I personally think your calorie intake given your life style and your fitness level is fine, I eat almost 3000 a day and i am a 41 year old 133 pound female. Now as far as your diet is concerned the only issue I can see being a possible problem down the ROAD is a sugar issue. Back in my early 30's I could knock bag a BIG tootsie roll daily and a dark chocolate bar for fun. Daily and this did NOT affect my weight, I am OCD and when you follow a routine most of the time everything falls into place. My weight wasn't a factor in why I took majority of the sugary sweets out of my diet. I started a new job 5 years ago, very physical.... now already doing physcial activity I found myself needing some extra energy. Long story short.... seemed like every time I had sugar, within an hour I was exhausted. I was having sugar spikes ~ NOW YOUR CASE is a little different in that your ice cream actually isn't that bad for you, in all other areas (proteins, carbs exc.) frankly if you were to compare your poptarts to a chocolate bar you are still ahead of the game. If I was YOU..... listen to your body. If you want the sugar and have no medical NEED to NOT eat it......then EAT it! You live once, live for yourself. I try to live a clean healthy life style but that is what I WANT. If you want your poptarts....and by all your info you are healthy then eat the damn things!!!!
... yeah... this just changed my mind.
I eat "clean" because I WANT to and I really enjoy it. I think that's what a lot of folks throwing out the orthorexic term don't understand. But that said, obviously the same things don't make everyone happy, and... yeah as long as you're really truly listening to your body and are honest with yourself and your health markers show no risks... I guess it makes sense to do whatever it is that makes you happy and helps you reach your personal goals. If you would hate eating the way I do, then it makes no sense to do it.
So... im still going to advocate for whole foods and the cleaning up of diets - because for the majority it's still medically necessitated - but in your case magerum, do your thang. You know what you're doing. And if it reached a point where your health markers DID start to drop, it's not like you don't have the knowledge and tools to fix it.
But damn it Pop Tarts are STILL empty calories! I have to hold on to something.
Credit where credit is due. This is the most sensible well thought out post I think I've ever seen you post. Truth be told, other than wine or beer with dinner, my personal diet is probably closer to yours than magerum's. I am 5'9", 200, about 22 or 23% body fat, down from about 35% 2 years ago, 61 about to turn 62 with a TDEE of around 2500. I eat about 90% of calories from whole, nutrient dense foods. If I save a little at the end of the day, it's to have wine with dinner. Hey I'm Italian. It's a thing. I don't sweets very often. When I do, ice cream is my choice. Or maybe some dark chocolate.
I eat the way I do this because that's what I like within the bounds of my eating plan. My health markers are great and there are very few people my age that I've seen whose 1RM for squats and deadlifts are over 300 lbs. I also bike 15 to 20 miles at a clip (hybrid not road bike) and run an occasional 5K in the warm weather.
If you like eating very "clean" that good on you. It's the judgmental peachiness of many of your post that draws such fire and calls of orthorexia. The conclusion you came to above is pretty much what magerum's original point was. Obviously, if someone has poor health markers and is very overweight, the amount of indulgences they include would have to be modified, but reasonable indulgences as part of a healthy overall eating plan can substantially help long term compliance.0 -
I will not. You got it right bro! hahaha I too enjoy these things and have done so while losing nearly as much weight as yourself...unfortunately without exercise they caught back up to me, so I gotta work my way back down! lol
i think this is my point in a nutshell. if you eat primarily whole foods, what you experienced is much, MUCH less likely to happen. eating the types of foods I eat and in the quantities I eat them, even if I stop exercising I won't gain weight, or not significantly.
Okay, quick question. You are only 24 years old, you have "0" pounds to lose. I am curious. Were you ever overweight? If so, how overweight were you? Do you have pictures of this? Have you ever had issues with food at all? Sometimes, if we have not walked in a person's shoes, we don't understand everything they deal with. It's easy to tell people how to eat or how not to eat, but if you have never lived this life - you really have no true idea what it takes to succeed. Not critizing you at all, just curious.
I'm 26, and no, I've never been overweight. Genetics. It isnt fashionable, but being super skinny isn't really the most exciting thing in the world for a guy in his late teens and early 20s. It's tough for me to put on muscle/weight, but I've done it and will continue to do it as healthily as I can. Not all struggles look the same, though I won't go so far as to equate mine completely with yours. But regardless, that doesn't mean I don't understand it, having worked with many people to help them lose significant amounts of weight. I get it. It ain't easy.
And as far as "not knowing what it takes to succeed" - I'm a decent lookin kid with a bit of talent living in NYC trying to make it as an actor not having the connections others have, not having a big theatre school on my resume, not having my daddy pay my rent, and having lost my ability to sing and even speak normally while dealing with mysterious hoarseness for over a year and a half. There were already a million guys like me - now Im fighting my own nervous, muscular and digestive system just to be able to audition confidently again and live a normal life where I can go out with friends and not worry about not being able to even speak over the bar noise.
Sory for going OT, but we all have our ****.
Hey, I appreciate you for sharing that. Yes, we all have our struggles. Would you say that in overcoming your fears of the stage it would be helpful to get advice from someone who has maybe been successful at acting and can understand where that fear is coming from? Maybe they also had similar problems when they were starting out? My choice of wording about being successful was probably misplaced. I realize that we are all successful at some things - not so much at others. I was just saying that it's easier for me to take counsel from a person who has been where I was. Maybe it's something in my head. But they just make more sense to me. I truly wish you success in your career. Many great people overcame obstacles related to their voices. I wish the same for you.
it's not fear of the stage... it's having medical problems related to an illness a year and a half back that messed up my larynx.
but in any case, I'm sorry that you only feel that someone who's gone through your EXACT situation has any credibility, because like it or not, all struggles are the same. You feel inadequate. You feel inferior. You keep asking yourself "why me"? Why did this happen to ME? How did I let myself get here? I know, because I ask myself the same questions. My voice problems are MY FAULT. The fact that I didn't take care of myself - the fact that I would do shows then go out and scream Journey at the top of my lungs while drinking and eating bad food. That lifestyle screwed me over in a big way. I did this to me. Just like you did it to yourself too. The guilt, the beating yourself up? I'm there. I've been there. I'm still dealing with it too.
Just because the exact circumstances aren't the same, doesn't mean a person can't understand what you're going through.
I'm not sorry that I feel this way. It's what works for me. My original point. It's not that I feel like you lack credibility, it's just that I have listened to healthy, fit people for years tell me what it takes to be healthy. I get that. To me, it's from the people on MFP who have actually done this work, that I glean the most credibility. There has to be a reason for this website being so successful. The majority of people are learning from the people who are ahead of them on this road. It's like I can visualize the success because I can see how they are succeeding. Maybe that's just the way I learn.
One thing we do agree on: Journey is just AWESOME!0 -
in...how did I miss this the other day?0
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The red velvet pop tarts are no more...pop tarts are dead to me now.
You should have stocked up. Rookie mistake.
Got me two boxes yesterday...0 -
I like Ice Cream more than Pop Tarts every now and then I will crave a pop tart but my weakness is ice cream0
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I will not. You got it right bro! hahaha I too enjoy these things and have done so while losing nearly as much weight as yourself...unfortunately without exercise they caught back up to me, so I gotta work my way back down! lol
i think this is my point in a nutshell. if you eat primarily whole foods, what you experienced is much, MUCH less likely to happen. eating the types of foods I eat and in the quantities I eat them, even if I stop exercising I won't gain weight, or not significantly.
Okay, quick question. You are only 24 years old, you have "0" pounds to lose. I am curious. Were you ever overweight? If so, how overweight were you? Do you have pictures of this? Have you ever had issues with food at all? Sometimes, if we have not walked in a person's shoes, we don't understand everything they deal with. It's easy to tell people how to eat or how not to eat, but if you have never lived this life - you really have no true idea what it takes to succeed. Not critizing you at all, just curious.
YOUR ability to control that goes into YOUR mouth does not make foods bad. It means you simply have an inability to stop eating.
That does not make the food bad per se, it makes your own behavioral issues apparent.
Was this aimed at my comment, because if so, it makes no sense. I don't believe I said anything about food being bad or good or having an inability to control what goes into my mouth.
You were saying about do you know what it is like to be fat?
I was saying that this is a behavioral issues, and not to be labeled at food. There are plenty of people who don't get fat because they do not create a behavioral or emotional link (one of the same really) to food.
We all know what it is like to succeed, just because one has been overweight does not mean they know more about diet and control, it shows the opposite - the thinner person has actually shown the ability to control intake and take their problems away from food and behavioral or emotional issues with it.
Possibly. However, there are many issues related to being overweight. I understand that mine were related to emotional issues and also not moving enough. That's all changing. It's just that sometimes, it's beneficial to have overcome a problem when trying to teach others. I'm not saying that someone who has been a healthy weight can not teach about nutrition & other healthy habits. But you will concede that some of the best helpers are people who have walked the walk. I'm thinking about people who counsel on domestic violence, rape, illnesses such as cancer. And speaking from the perspective of having been overweight, I relate better to someone who has been successful in losing weight and keeping it off. They TRULY understand the challenges, the slips, and how to keep going. I find people who have been thin and in shape all their lives, the last people I want to hear advice from. That's just me - probably another issue to work on (lol). But, there it is.
I'll concede there are some very good points in there.
Agreed. Excellent points.0 -
I personally think your calorie intake given your life style and your fitness level is fine, I eat almost 3000 a day and i am a 41 year old 133 pound female. Now as far as your diet is concerned the only issue I can see being a possible problem down the ROAD is a sugar issue. Back in my early 30's I could knock bag a BIG tootsie roll daily and a dark chocolate bar for fun. Daily and this did NOT affect my weight, I am OCD and when you follow a routine most of the time everything falls into place. My weight wasn't a factor in why I took majority of the sugary sweets out of my diet. I started a new job 5 years ago, very physical.... now already doing physcial activity I found myself needing some extra energy. Long story short.... seemed like every time I had sugar, within an hour I was exhausted. I was having sugar spikes ~ NOW YOUR CASE is a little different in that your ice cream actually isn't that bad for you, in all other areas (proteins, carbs exc.) frankly if you were to compare your poptarts to a chocolate bar you are still ahead of the game. If I was YOU..... listen to your body. If you want the sugar and have no medical NEED to NOT eat it......then EAT it! You live once, live for yourself. I try to live a clean healthy life style but that is what I WANT. If you want your poptarts....and by all your info you are healthy then eat the damn things!!!!
... yeah... this just changed my mind.
I eat "clean" because I WANT to and I really enjoy it. I think that's what a lot of folks throwing out the orthorexic term don't understand. But that said, obviously the same things don't make everyone happy, and... yeah as long as you're really truly listening to your body and are honest with yourself and your health markers show no risks... I guess it makes sense to do whatever it is that makes you happy and helps you reach your personal goals. If you would hate eating the way I do, then it makes no sense to do it.
So... im still going to advocate for whole foods and the cleaning up of diets - because for the majority it's still medically necessitated - but in your case magerum, do your thang. You know what you're doing. And if it reached a point where your health markers DID start to drop, it's not like you don't have the knowledge and tools to fix it.
But damn it Pop Tarts are STILL empty calories! I have to hold on to something.
Credit where credit is due. This is the most sensible well thought out post I think I've ever seen you post. Truth be told, other than wine or beer with dinner, my personal diet is probably closer to yours than magerum's. I am 5'9", 200, about 22 or 23% body fat, down from about 35% 2 years ago, 61 about to turn 62 with a TDEE of around 2500. I eat about 90% of calories from whole, nutrient dense foods. If I save a little at the end of the day, it's to have wine with dinner. Hey I'm Italian. It's a thing. I don't sweets very often. When I do, ice cream is my choice. Or maybe some dark chocolate.
I eat the way I do this because that's what I like within the bounds of my eating plan. My health markers are great and there are very few people my age that I've seen whose 1RM for squats and deadlifts are over 300 lbs. I also bike 15 to 20 miles at a clip (hybrid not road bike) and run an occasional 5K in the warm weather.
If you like eating very "clean" that good on you. It's the judgmental peachiness of many of your post that draws such fire and calls of orthorexia. The conclusion you came to above is pretty much what magerum's original point was. Obviously, if someone has poor health markers and is very overweight, the amount of indulgences they include would have to be modified, but reasonable indulgences as part of a healthy overall eating plan can substantially help long term compliance.
I'm with ya. Took me a while, but I'm with ya.
Here's the remaining issue I see, however. In just about every single thread where the OP asks about a certain food group or ingredient, about half the posters are in there demonizing them for considering cleaning up their diet. Obviously it's the internet, and people are gonna be ****s and say whatever they want. But while I agree that people need to do what makes them happy, that's a two way street. If someone's asking about wheat or dairy or cutting out meat or only eating grass fed, or whatever else, I think a little more respect could be a good thing. Me being dairy free is the same thing as magerum eating his pop tarts. He wouldn't do what I do, and I wouldn't do what he does, but we're happy doing it our way, and at the end of the day, as long as our health markers are good, that should be acceptable to everyone. Fair?0 -
I will not. You got it right bro! hahaha I too enjoy these things and have done so while losing nearly as much weight as yourself...unfortunately without exercise they caught back up to me, so I gotta work my way back down! lol
i think this is my point in a nutshell. if you eat primarily whole foods, what you experienced is much, MUCH less likely to happen. eating the types of foods I eat and in the quantities I eat them, even if I stop exercising I won't gain weight, or not significantly.
Okay, quick question. You are only 24 years old, you have "0" pounds to lose. I am curious. Were you ever overweight? If so, how overweight were you? Do you have pictures of this? Have you ever had issues with food at all? Sometimes, if we have not walked in a person's shoes, we don't understand everything they deal with. It's easy to tell people how to eat or how not to eat, but if you have never lived this life - you really have no true idea what it takes to succeed. Not critizing you at all, just curious.
I'm 26, and no, I've never been overweight. Genetics. It isnt fashionable, but being super skinny isn't really the most exciting thing in the world for a guy in his late teens and early 20s. It's tough for me to put on muscle/weight, but I've done it and will continue to do it as healthily as I can. Not all struggles look the same, though I won't go so far as to equate mine completely with yours. But regardless, that doesn't mean I don't understand it, having worked with many people to help them lose significant amounts of weight. I get it. It ain't easy.
And as far as "not knowing what it takes to succeed" - I'm a decent lookin kid with a bit of talent living in NYC trying to make it as an actor not having the connections others have, not having a big theatre school on my resume, not having my daddy pay my rent, and having lost my ability to sing and even speak normally while dealing with mysterious hoarseness for over a year and a half. There were already a million guys like me - now Im fighting my own nervous, muscular and digestive system just to be able to audition confidently again and live a normal life where I can go out with friends and not worry about not being able to even speak over the bar noise.
Sory for going OT, but we all have our ****.
Hey, I appreciate you for sharing that. Yes, we all have our struggles. Would you say that in overcoming your fears of the stage it would be helpful to get advice from someone who has maybe been successful at acting and can understand where that fear is coming from? Maybe they also had similar problems when they were starting out? My choice of wording about being successful was probably misplaced. I realize that we are all successful at some things - not so much at others. I was just saying that it's easier for me to take counsel from a person who has been where I was. Maybe it's something in my head. But they just make more sense to me. I truly wish you success in your career. Many great people overcame obstacles related to their voices. I wish the same for you.
it's not fear of the stage... it's having medical problems related to an illness a year and a half back that messed up my larynx.
but in any case, I'm sorry that you only feel that someone who's gone through your EXACT situation has any credibility, because like it or not, all struggles are the same. You feel inadequate. You feel inferior. You keep asking yourself "why me"? Why did this happen to ME? How did I let myself get here? I know, because I ask myself the same questions. My voice problems are MY FAULT. The fact that I didn't take care of myself - the fact that I would do shows then go out and scream Journey at the top of my lungs while drinking and eating bad food. That lifestyle screwed me over in a big way. I did this to me. Just like you did it to yourself too. The guilt, the beating yourself up? I'm there. I've been there. I'm still dealing with it too.
Just because the exact circumstances aren't the same, doesn't mean a person can't understand what you're going through.
I'm not sorry that I feel this way. It's what works for me. My original point. It's not that I feel like you lack credibility, it's just that I have listened to healthy, fit people for years tell me what it takes to be healthy. I get that. To me, it's from the people on MFP who have actually done this work, that I glean the most credibility. There has to be a reason for this website being so successful. The majority of people are learning from the people who are ahead of them on this road. It's like I can visualize the success because I can see how they are succeeding. Maybe that's just the way I learn.
One thing we do agree on: Journey is just AWESOME!
Haha truth. :drinker:0
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