Convince me Pop Tarts & ice cream are bad.
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I guess I need to clarify some more, I didn't think it needed to be said, but obviously it does. Too many are missing the actual point of all this. People are hung up on the whole pop tarts and ice cream part. It doesn't matter if it's pop tarts & ice cream or pizza, donuts, bacon, cheese, cake, chocolate, candy, whatever you want it to be. For me, right now, it happens to be pop tarts & ice cream.
The point being is you can eat ANYTHING you want and still hit your goals. Both weight wise and nutritionally. Weight and nutrition can be mutually exclusive if you want, but they don't have to be either. You don't have to give up the foods you like, want, or love.
Exactly! If you give up the things you enjoy will you enjoy your new found thinness or will you be thin and unhappy?
agreed!0 -
Alright, OP. I enjoyed your first few posts because I liked looking at all the pictures and even decided to treat myself and try one in the future. I got your message.
But you're starting to become a little much here-this is like the third post and it's starting to look like you want start a fight.
You know a lot of people here are on much lower calorie diets and are jealous and are going to pick a fight.
So why keep picking the nerve?
I bring it up because I have a lot of success with weight loss and health doing it this way, but every time I offer advise I'm chastised over eating "pop tarts & ice cream". It actually isn't about pop tarts or ice cream, it's about knowing you can achieve all your goals eating anything you want. You don't have to be on a fad diet or not eat things you enjoy to do this. That's the point.
Well let's put it this way OP, 4000 calories per day is not realistic for most people wanting to lose weight.
20 - 25% , doesn't matter what your total intake is. I get to eat more because mine's higher, that's all that means. I never said go eat 1000 calories a day of XXXX food.
Okies let's put this another way.
Eating junk food or stuff high in calories means less left for some people's daily calorie total. So using up 600 calories on say poptarts and ice-cream will for some result in them only having 600-800 left for proper meals.
This is why I kept bringing up the total daily calories intake here.0 -
There is nothing wrong with any of it. I live on it. The only thing you have to watch for is sodium and blood pressure. Which is why they make blood pressure meds. Inhibit your kidney from retaining water and keep on eating all the pop tarts in the world. Yes, serious.
Does your doc know that you eat that much sugar? Eating a lot of sugar may cause high serum uric acid which is likely a causative agent in not only hypertension, but renal disease and failure. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23439375
You might want to have your uric acid level checked. Google "hyperuricemia and hypertension". Here's an article to start with: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23089272
From the article: "Although more research is clearly necessary, the available data suggest that uric acid is likely causative in some cases of early onset hypertension." If you have hypertension at your age, I wouldn't be so confident that B.P. meds will solve all problems. By the time that B.P. is sodium dependent, there may have already been significant renal damage.
Already answered this the first time you asked. As of two weeks ago 3.2 mg/dL. Low end of average. Thanks.
Actually, this post was directed at trojanBB who is apparently already struggling with B.P. issues. Are you, by any chance, on Allopurinol? That wouldn't be at all surprising in someone who was once a very big boy. Are you on any medications? Hope you don't mind my asking but I think it is pertinent to the discussion of how eating junk food in any quantity can be quite unhealthy.
No meds at all. I don't even take aspirin. I do drink about 1000 mg of caffeine a day on top of all this. I'm sure that will bug you too.
Doesn't "bug" me at all. I just think you are a walking medical miracle and that you should volunteer to be studied by obesity researchers (there's a lot of that going on--check the nearest med school). I will say that it is a good thing that you drink a lot of coffee, as that is associated with lower serum uric acid levels. The likely mechanism is that one of the metabolites of coffee is 1-methyl xanthine and it competitively inhibits the enzyme that produces uric acid (xanthine oxidase). Stay healthy.
No miracle here. Just proper macro consumption, nutritional needs met, proper amounts of aerobic & anarobic exercise, brought together with mathimatical equations and a set of controls.0 -
Which is why discretionary intake is typically done in percent and not flat.Alright, OP. I enjoyed your first few posts because I liked looking at all the pictures and even decided to treat myself and try one in the future. I got your message.
But you're starting to become a little much here-this is like the third post and it's starting to look like you want start a fight.
You know a lot of people here are on much lower calorie diets and are jealous and are going to pick a fight.
So why keep picking the nerve?
I bring it up because I have a lot of success with weight loss and health doing it this way, but every time I offer advise I'm chastised over eating "pop tarts & ice cream". It actually isn't about pop tarts or ice cream, it's about knowing you can achieve all your goals eating anything you want. You don't have to be on a fad diet or not eat things you enjoy to do this. That's the point.
Well let's put it this way OP, 4000 calories per day is not realistic for most people wanting to lose weight.
20 - 25% , doesn't matter what your total intake is. I get to eat more because mine's higher, that's all that means. I never said go eat 1000 calories a day of XXXX food.
Okies let's put this another way.
Eating junk food or stuff high in calories means less left for some people's daily calorie total. So using up 600 calories on say poptarts and ice-cream will for some result in them only having 600-800 left for proper meals.
This is why I kept bringing up the total daily calories intake here.0 -
There is nothing wrong with any of it. I live on it. The only thing you have to watch for is sodium and blood pressure. Which is why they make blood pressure meds. Inhibit your kidney from retaining water and keep on eating all the pop tarts in the world. Yes, serious.
Does your doc know that you eat that much sugar? Eating a lot of sugar may cause high serum uric acid which is likely a causative agent in not only hypertension, but renal disease and failure. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23439375
You might want to have your uric acid level checked. Google "hyperuricemia and hypertension". Here's an article to start with: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23089272
From the article: "Although more research is clearly necessary, the available data suggest that uric acid is likely causative in some cases of early onset hypertension." If you have hypertension at your age, I wouldn't be so confident that B.P. meds will solve all problems. By the time that B.P. is sodium dependent, there may have already been significant renal damage.
Already answered this the first time you asked. As of two weeks ago 3.2 mg/dL. Low end of average. Thanks.
Actually, this post was directed at trojanBB who is apparently already struggling with B.P. issues. Are you, by any chance, on Allopurinol? That wouldn't be at all surprising in someone who was once a very big boy. Are you on any medications? Hope you don't mind my asking but I think it is pertinent to the discussion of how eating junk food in any quantity can be quite unhealthy.
No meds at all. I don't even take aspirin. I do drink about 1000 mg of caffeine a day on top of all this. I'm sure that will bug you too.
Doesn't "bug" me at all. I just think you are a walking medical miracle and that you should volunteer to be studied by obesity researchers (there's a lot of that going on--check the nearest med school). I will say that it is a good thing that you drink a lot of coffee, as that is associated with lower serum uric acid levels. The likely mechanism is that one of the metabolites of coffee is 1-methyl xanthine and it competitively inhibits the enzyme that produces uric acid (xanthine oxidase). Stay healthy.
No miracle here. Just proper macro consumption, nutritional needs met, proper amounts of aerobic & anarobic exercise, brought together with mathimatical equations and a set of controls.
what's your timetable? when did you start eating this way (2,000 cal of processed stuff)? how long's it been going?0 -
Which is why discretionary intake is typically done in percent and not flat.Alright, OP. I enjoyed your first few posts because I liked looking at all the pictures and even decided to treat myself and try one in the future. I got your message.
But you're starting to become a little much here-this is like the third post and it's starting to look like you want start a fight.
You know a lot of people here are on much lower calorie diets and are jealous and are going to pick a fight.
So why keep picking the nerve?
I bring it up because I have a lot of success with weight loss and health doing it this way, but every time I offer advise I'm chastised over eating "pop tarts & ice cream". It actually isn't about pop tarts or ice cream, it's about knowing you can achieve all your goals eating anything you want. You don't have to be on a fad diet or not eat things you enjoy to do this. That's the point.
Well let's put it this way OP, 4000 calories per day is not realistic for most people wanting to lose weight.
20 - 25% , doesn't matter what your total intake is. I get to eat more because mine's higher, that's all that means. I never said go eat 1000 calories a day of XXXX food.
Okies let's put this another way.
Eating junk food or stuff high in calories means less left for some people's daily calorie total. So using up 600 calories on say poptarts and ice-cream will for some result in them only having 600-800 left for proper meals.
This is why I kept bringing up the total daily calories intake here.
1) do you believe in empty calories
2) if so, would you recommend getting 50% of your calories from them daily?0 -
OP, this is a little off topic, but I am wondering how many calories a day you were eating *before* you lost all the weight?
Fair question. Probably a similar amount. Though I feel like I'm actually eating
more volume now.0 -
I guess I need to clarify some more, I didn't think it needed to be said, but obviously it does. Too many are missing the actual point of all this. People are hung up on the whole pop tarts and ice cream part. It doesn't matter if it's pop tarts & ice cream or pizza, donuts, bacon, cheese, cake, chocolate, candy, whatever you want it to be. For me, right now, it happens to be pop tarts & ice cream.
The point being is you can eat ANYTHING you want and still hit your goals. Both weight wise and nutritionally. Weight and nutrition can be mutually exclusive if you want, but they don't have to be either. You don't have to give up the foods you like, want, or love.
Exactly! If you give up the things you enjoy will you enjoy your new found thinness or will you be thin and unhappy?
Only babies derive happiness from what they put in their mouths. Hedonism is always a mistake. Therein does not true joy lie.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthorexia_nervosa
Get help.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: (If you only knew how very amusing that is to me and why...) You are being ridiculous (in addition to being insulting). I am far from wasting away from malnutriton. I love, love, love the way that some of you here are so quick to paste a pejorative label on another person who merely seeks to improve his/her health (which I have, by the way). My health is my responsibility--it is the responsibility that grown-ups accept. Others, not so much. Abusing one's health is what immature people do. I bid you good evening. I'm off to share some time with my hubby before bed. (Another healthy thing to do.) Hope it doesn't provoke too much arm-chair psychologizing in you and keep you up tonight.0 -
I'm 43 years old, not a baby, and derive happiness from eating. Every day. So that statement is easily falsified by observed reality.Only babies derive happiness from what they put in their mouths. Hedonism is always a mistake. Therein does not true joy lie.
Enjoying eating is not "hedonism." There is an entire spectrum, much of which is healthy moderation. You are presenting a false dichotomy that the only options are hedonism or misery.
I suppose sex for pleasure is also "a mistake."0 -
There is nothing wrong with any of it. I live on it. The only thing you have to watch for is sodium and blood pressure. Which is why they make blood pressure meds. Inhibit your kidney from retaining water and keep on eating all the pop tarts in the world. Yes, serious.
Does your doc know that you eat that much sugar? Eating a lot of sugar may cause high serum uric acid which is likely a causative agent in not only hypertension, but renal disease and failure. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23439375
You might want to have your uric acid level checked. Google "hyperuricemia and hypertension". Here's an article to start with: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23089272
From the article: "Although more research is clearly necessary, the available data suggest that uric acid is likely causative in some cases of early onset hypertension." If you have hypertension at your age, I wouldn't be so confident that B.P. meds will solve all problems. By the time that B.P. is sodium dependent, there may have already been significant renal damage.
Already answered this the first time you asked. As of two weeks ago 3.2 mg/dL. Low end of average. Thanks.
Actually, this post was directed at trojanBB who is apparently already struggling with B.P. issues. Are you, by any chance, on Allopurinol? That wouldn't be at all surprising in someone who was once a very big boy. Are you on any medications? Hope you don't mind my asking but I think it is pertinent to the discussion of how eating junk food in any quantity can be quite unhealthy.
No meds at all. I don't even take aspirin. I do drink about 1000 mg of caffeine a day on top of all this. I'm sure that will bug you too.
Doesn't "bug" me at all. I just think you are a walking medical miracle and that you should volunteer to be studied by obesity researchers (there's a lot of that going on--check the nearest med school). I will say that it is a good thing that you drink a lot of coffee, as that is associated with lower serum uric acid levels. The likely mechanism is that one of the metabolites of coffee is 1-methyl xanthine and it competitively inhibits the enzyme that produces uric acid (xanthine oxidase). Stay healthy.
No miracle here. Just proper macro consumption, nutritional needs met, proper amounts of aerobic & anarobic exercise, brought together with mathimatical equations and a set of controls.
Do tell. Sounds fascinating.0 -
Alright, OP. I enjoyed your first few posts because I liked looking at all the pictures and even decided to treat myself and try one in the future. I got your message.
But you're starting to become a little much here-this is like the third post and it's starting to look like you want start a fight.
You know a lot of people here are on much lower calorie diets and are jealous and are going to pick a fight.
So why keep picking the nerve?
I bring it up because I have a lot of success with weight loss and health doing it this way, but every time I offer advise I'm chastised over eating "pop tarts & ice cream". It actually isn't about pop tarts or ice cream, it's about knowing you can achieve all your goals eating anything you want. You don't have to be on a fad diet or not eat things you enjoy to do this. That's the point.
Well let's put it this way OP, 4000 calories per day is not realistic for most people wanting to lose weight.
20 - 25% , doesn't matter what your total intake is. I get to eat more because mine's higher, that's all that means. I never said go eat 1000 calories a day of XXXX food.
Okies let's put this another way.
Eating junk food or stuff high in calories means less left for some people's daily calorie total. So using up 600 calories on say poptarts and ice-cream will for some result in them only having 600-800 left for proper meals.
This is why I kept bringing up the total daily calories intake here.
Again you miss the point. If you're only eating 1600 a day, by my math, that would mean 320-400 calories of whatever you want after meeting your nutrional needs.0 -
I'm 43 years old, not a baby, and derive happiness from eating. Every day. So that statement is easily falsified by observed reality.Only babies derive happiness from what they put in their mouths. Hedonism is always a mistake. Therein does not true joy lie.
Enjoying eating is not "hedonism." There is an entire spectrum, much of which is healthy moderation. You are presenting a false dichotomy that the only options are hedonism or misery.
I suppose sex for pleasure is also "a mistake."
Not within healthy bounds. It is a part of a healthy and fulfilling marital relationship. But unbounded sexuality has produced a great deal of human tragedy. However, that is to derail the subject at hand--sorry OP.
I think you and I probably have a different definition of happiness. I could NEVER imagine seeking it in food.0 -
There is nothing wrong with any of it. I live on it. The only thing you have to watch for is sodium and blood pressure. Which is why they make blood pressure meds. Inhibit your kidney from retaining water and keep on eating all the pop tarts in the world. Yes, serious.
Does your doc know that you eat that much sugar? Eating a lot of sugar may cause high serum uric acid which is likely a causative agent in not only hypertension, but renal disease and failure. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23439375
You might want to have your uric acid level checked. Google "hyperuricemia and hypertension". Here's an article to start with: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23089272
From the article: "Although more research is clearly necessary, the available data suggest that uric acid is likely causative in some cases of early onset hypertension." If you have hypertension at your age, I wouldn't be so confident that B.P. meds will solve all problems. By the time that B.P. is sodium dependent, there may have already been significant renal damage.
Already answered this the first time you asked. As of two weeks ago 3.2 mg/dL. Low end of average. Thanks.
Actually, this post was directed at trojanBB who is apparently already struggling with B.P. issues. Are you, by any chance, on Allopurinol? That wouldn't be at all surprising in someone who was once a very big boy. Are you on any medications? Hope you don't mind my asking but I think it is pertinent to the discussion of how eating junk food in any quantity can be quite unhealthy.
No meds at all. I don't even take aspirin. I do drink about 1000 mg of caffeine a day on top of all this. I'm sure that will bug you too.
Doesn't "bug" me at all. I just think you are a walking medical miracle and that you should volunteer to be studied by obesity researchers (there's a lot of that going on--check the nearest med school). I will say that it is a good thing that you drink a lot of coffee, as that is associated with lower serum uric acid levels. The likely mechanism is that one of the metabolites of coffee is 1-methyl xanthine and it competitively inhibits the enzyme that produces uric acid (xanthine oxidase). Stay healthy.
No miracle here. Just proper macro consumption, nutritional needs met, proper amounts of aerobic & anarobic exercise, brought together with mathimatical equations and a set of controls.
what's your timetable? when did you start eating this way (2,000 cal of processed stuff)? how long's it been going?
Here's an answer you'll probably love. My whole life probably, by your standards.0 -
There is nothing wrong with any of it. I live on it. The only thing you have to watch for is sodium and blood pressure. Which is why they make blood pressure meds. Inhibit your kidney from retaining water and keep on eating all the pop tarts in the world. Yes, serious.
Does your doc know that you eat that much sugar? Eating a lot of sugar may cause high serum uric acid which is likely a causative agent in not only hypertension, but renal disease and failure. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23439375
You might want to have your uric acid level checked. Google "hyperuricemia and hypertension". Here's an article to start with: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23089272
From the article: "Although more research is clearly necessary, the available data suggest that uric acid is likely causative in some cases of early onset hypertension." If you have hypertension at your age, I wouldn't be so confident that B.P. meds will solve all problems. By the time that B.P. is sodium dependent, there may have already been significant renal damage.
Already answered this the first time you asked. As of two weeks ago 3.2 mg/dL. Low end of average. Thanks.
Actually, this post was directed at trojanBB who is apparently already struggling with B.P. issues. Are you, by any chance, on Allopurinol? That wouldn't be at all surprising in someone who was once a very big boy. Are you on any medications? Hope you don't mind my asking but I think it is pertinent to the discussion of how eating junk food in any quantity can be quite unhealthy.
No meds at all. I don't even take aspirin. I do drink about 1000 mg of caffeine a day on top of all this. I'm sure that will bug you too.
Doesn't "bug" me at all. I just think you are a walking medical miracle and that you should volunteer to be studied by obesity researchers (there's a lot of that going on--check the nearest med school). I will say that it is a good thing that you drink a lot of coffee, as that is associated with lower serum uric acid levels. The likely mechanism is that one of the metabolites of coffee is 1-methyl xanthine and it competitively inhibits the enzyme that produces uric acid (xanthine oxidase). Stay healthy.
No miracle here. Just proper macro consumption, nutritional needs met, proper amounts of aerobic & anarobic exercise, brought together with mathimatical equations and a set of controls.
what's your timetable? when did you start eating this way (2,000 cal of processed stuff)? how long's it been going?
Here's an answer you'll probably love. My whole life probably, by your standards.
i don't mean "by my standards"
give us your story man. what did you do to LOSE the weight? right now you're looking to build muscle obviously - bulk up. How many calories did you eat to drop the 158? When did you start? and when did you switch to your current 4,000?0 -
I'm 43 years old, not a baby, and derive happiness from eating. Every day. So that statement is easily falsified by observed reality.Only babies derive happiness from what they put in their mouths. Hedonism is always a mistake. Therein does not true joy lie.
Enjoying eating is not "hedonism." There is an entire spectrum, much of which is healthy moderation. You are presenting a false dichotomy that the only options are hedonism or misery.
I suppose sex for pleasure is also "a mistake."
Not within healthy bounds. It is a part of a healthy and fulfilling marital relationship. But unbounded sexuality has produced a great deal of human tragedy. However, that is to derail the subject at hand--sorry OP.
I think you and I probably have a different definition of happiness. I could NEVER imagine seeking it in food.
We just get it all from you. Medical advice (you don't really have a license to practice medicine now do you), admonitions in eating and sex. Are you a practicing cleric? All this for one low price of admission!! It just doesn't get better than that!!0 -
There is nothing wrong with any of it. I live on it. The only thing you have to watch for is sodium and blood pressure. Which is why they make blood pressure meds. Inhibit your kidney from retaining water and keep on eating all the pop tarts in the world. Yes, serious.
Does your doc know that you eat that much sugar? Eating a lot of sugar may cause high serum uric acid which is likely a causative agent in not only hypertension, but renal disease and failure. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23439375
You might want to have your uric acid level checked. Google "hyperuricemia and hypertension". Here's an article to start with: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23089272
From the article: "Although more research is clearly necessary, the available data suggest that uric acid is likely causative in some cases of early onset hypertension." If you have hypertension at your age, I wouldn't be so confident that B.P. meds will solve all problems. By the time that B.P. is sodium dependent, there may have already been significant renal damage.
Already answered this the first time you asked. As of two weeks ago 3.2 mg/dL. Low end of average. Thanks.
Actually, this post was directed at trojanBB who is apparently already struggling with B.P. issues. Are you, by any chance, on Allopurinol? That wouldn't be at all surprising in someone who was once a very big boy. Are you on any medications? Hope you don't mind my asking but I think it is pertinent to the discussion of how eating junk food in any quantity can be quite unhealthy.
No meds at all. I don't even take aspirin. I do drink about 1000 mg of caffeine a day on top of all this. I'm sure that will bug you too.
Doesn't "bug" me at all. I just think you are a walking medical miracle and that you should volunteer to be studied by obesity researchers (there's a lot of that going on--check the nearest med school). I will say that it is a good thing that you drink a lot of coffee, as that is associated with lower serum uric acid levels. The likely mechanism is that one of the metabolites of coffee is 1-methyl xanthine and it competitively inhibits the enzyme that produces uric acid (xanthine oxidase). Stay healthy.
No miracle here. Just proper macro consumption, nutritional needs met, proper amounts of aerobic & anarobic exercise, brought together with mathimatical equations and a set of controls.
Do tell. Sounds fascinating.
I'll respond to this when I get back to a proper keyboard. Using my phone currently0 -
I guess I need to clarify some more, I didn't think it needed to be said, but obviously it does. Too many are missing the actual point of all this. People are hung up on the whole pop tarts and ice cream part. It doesn't matter if it's pop tarts & ice cream or pizza, donuts, bacon, cheese, cake, chocolate, candy, whatever you want it to be. For me, right now, it happens to be pop tarts & ice cream.
The point being is you can eat ANYTHING you want and still hit your goals. Both weight wise and nutritionally. Weight and nutrition can be mutually exclusive if you want, but they don't have to be either. You don't have to give up the foods you like, want, or love.
Exactly! If you give up the things you enjoy will you enjoy your new found thinness or will you be thin and unhappy?
Only babies derive happiness from what they put in their mouths. Hedonism is always a mistake. Therein does not true joy lie.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthorexia_nervosa
Get help.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: (If you only knew how very amusing that is to me and why...) You are being ridiculous (in addition to being insulting). I am far from wasting away from malnutriton. I love, love, love the way that some of you here are so quick to paste a pejorative label on another person who merely seeks to improve his/her health (which I have, by the way). My health is my responsibility--it is the responsibility that grown-ups accept. Others, not so much. Abusing one's health is what immature people do. I bid you good evening. I'm off to share some time with my hubby before bed. (Another healthy thing to do.) Hope it doesn't provoke too much arm-chair psychologizing in you and keep you up tonight.
I'm trying so hard to not be sarcastic but your condescension and haughty superiority complex irks me. It looks like you lost 54 lbs. Are you at your goal weight or do you want to lose more?
Are you telling me you gained those lbs by accident. No feelings of joy at family gatherings or comfort during hard times? Were you just an immature little baby those first 40 years of life?0 -
I will not. You got it right bro! hahaha I too enjoy these things and have done so while losing nearly as much weight as yourself...unfortunately without exercise they caught back up to me, so I gotta work my way back down! lol0
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There is nothing wrong with any of it. I live on it. The only thing you have to watch for is sodium and blood pressure. Which is why they make blood pressure meds. Inhibit your kidney from retaining water and keep on eating all the pop tarts in the world. Yes, serious.
Does your doc know that you eat that much sugar? Eating a lot of sugar may cause high serum uric acid which is likely a causative agent in not only hypertension, but renal disease and failure. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23439375
You might want to have your uric acid level checked. Google "hyperuricemia and hypertension". Here's an article to start with: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23089272
From the article: "Although more research is clearly necessary, the available data suggest that uric acid is likely causative in some cases of early onset hypertension." If you have hypertension at your age, I wouldn't be so confident that B.P. meds will solve all problems. By the time that B.P. is sodium dependent, there may have already been significant renal damage.
Already answered this the first time you asked. As of two weeks ago 3.2 mg/dL. Low end of average. Thanks.
Actually, this post was directed at trojanBB who is apparently already struggling with B.P. issues. Are you, by any chance, on Allopurinol? That wouldn't be at all surprising in someone who was once a very big boy. Are you on any medications? Hope you don't mind my asking but I think it is pertinent to the discussion of how eating junk food in any quantity can be quite unhealthy.
No meds at all. I don't even take aspirin. I do drink about 1000 mg of caffeine a day on top of all this. I'm sure that will bug you too.
Doesn't "bug" me at all. I just think you are a walking medical miracle and that you should volunteer to be studied by obesity researchers (there's a lot of that going on--check the nearest med school). I will say that it is a good thing that you drink a lot of coffee, as that is associated with lower serum uric acid levels. The likely mechanism is that one of the metabolites of coffee is 1-methyl xanthine and it competitively inhibits the enzyme that produces uric acid (xanthine oxidase). Stay healthy.
No miracle here. Just proper macro consumption, nutritional needs met, proper amounts of aerobic & anarobic exercise, brought together with mathimatical equations and a set of controls.
what's your timetable? when did you start eating this way (2,000 cal of processed stuff)? how long's it been going?
Here's an answer you'll probably love. My whole life probably, by your standards.
i don't mean "by my standards"
give us your story man. what did you do to LOSE the weight? right now you're looking to build muscle obviously - bulk up. How many calories did you eat to drop the 158? When did you start? and when did you switch to your current 4,000?
This too requires a proper keyboard, not an iPhone. I'll respond, not dodging this in the least.0 -
There is nothing wrong with any of it. I live on it. The only thing you have to watch for is sodium and blood pressure. Which is why they make blood pressure meds. Inhibit your kidney from retaining water and keep on eating all the pop tarts in the world. Yes, serious.
Does your doc know that you eat that much sugar? Eating a lot of sugar may cause high serum uric acid which is likely a causative agent in not only hypertension, but renal disease and failure. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23439375
You might want to have your uric acid level checked. Google "hyperuricemia and hypertension". Here's an article to start with: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23089272
From the article: "Although more research is clearly necessary, the available data suggest that uric acid is likely causative in some cases of early onset hypertension." If you have hypertension at your age, I wouldn't be so confident that B.P. meds will solve all problems. By the time that B.P. is sodium dependent, there may have already been significant renal damage.
Already answered this the first time you asked. As of two weeks ago 3.2 mg/dL. Low end of average. Thanks.
Actually, this post was directed at trojanBB who is apparently already struggling with B.P. issues. Are you, by any chance, on Allopurinol? That wouldn't be at all surprising in someone who was once a very big boy. Are you on any medications? Hope you don't mind my asking but I think it is pertinent to the discussion of how eating junk food in any quantity can be quite unhealthy.
No meds at all. I don't even take aspirin. I do drink about 1000 mg of caffeine a day on top of all this. I'm sure that will bug you too.
Doesn't "bug" me at all. I just think you are a walking medical miracle and that you should volunteer to be studied by obesity researchers (there's a lot of that going on--check the nearest med school). I will say that it is a good thing that you drink a lot of coffee, as that is associated with lower serum uric acid levels. The likely mechanism is that one of the metabolites of coffee is 1-methyl xanthine and it competitively inhibits the enzyme that produces uric acid (xanthine oxidase). Stay healthy.
No miracle here. Just proper macro consumption, nutritional needs met, proper amounts of aerobic & anarobic exercise, brought together with mathimatical equations and a set of controls.
what's your timetable? when did you start eating this way (2,000 cal of processed stuff)? how long's it been going?
Here's an answer you'll probably love. My whole life probably, by your standards.
i don't mean "by my standards"
give us your story man. what did you do to LOSE the weight? right now you're looking to build muscle obviously - bulk up. How many calories did you eat to drop the 158? When did you start? and when did you switch to your current 4,000?
This too requires a proper keyboard, not an iPhone. I'll respond, not dodging this in the least.
nah no worries. take your time. all internet arguing aside, i actually am legitimately interested, because your numbers really are pretty amazing0 -
I will not. You got it right bro! hahaha I too enjoy these things and have done so while losing nearly as much weight as yourself...unfortunately without exercise they caught back up to me, so I gotta work my way back down! lol
i think this is my point in a nutshell. if you eat primarily whole foods, what you experienced is much, MUCH less likely to happen. eating the types of foods I eat and in the quantities I eat them, even if I stop exercising I won't gain weight, or not significantly.0 -
It is your body.
Personally, I would never eat that much meat and dairy because of reading a lot of material suggesting that both contribute to health issues and also affect longevity. Sure, someone weight training can get away with that many calories, but I am of the ilk that eating a lot of anything, can cause issues. Reading a book called 'the blue zones', I could not help but notice that in the areas of the world with the highest %s of centenarians, there is low intake of animal produce and a high intake of vegetables, beans, tofu and such things. So that has coloured my perspective to a degree. A athlete posted an article about this actually, about whether one has to make a choice between being in peak athletic form, versus longevity, due to the dietary needs of those aspiring to be in peak form.
http://maxwettsteinfitness.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/longevity-athletic-performance-is.html
But as initially stated, to each their own. In the end, we will all die of something, regardless of what we eat, and it may well end up being totally non diet related, lol. That said, I find pop tarts too sweet, prefer cream cakes, chocolate fudge cake, in fact, any cake, if I am to have a treat. I also love ice cream but avoid it where I can now.0 -
I'm 43 years old, not a baby, and derive happiness from eating. Every day. So that statement is easily falsified by observed reality.Only babies derive happiness from what they put in their mouths. Hedonism is always a mistake. Therein does not true joy lie.
Enjoying eating is not "hedonism." There is an entire spectrum, much of which is healthy moderation. You are presenting a false dichotomy that the only options are hedonism or misery.
I suppose sex for pleasure is also "a mistake."
Not within healthy bounds. It is a part of a healthy and fulfilling marital relationship. But unbounded sexuality has produced a great deal of human tragedy. However, that is to derail the subject at hand--sorry OP.
I think you and I probably have a different definition of happiness. I could NEVER imagine seeking it in food.
Wow - came here looking for discussion on Pop Tarts and got a lecture in morality. Well I never!!! :noway:0 -
I used to eat like this in college working out 4 hours a day.
That said, I hope you keep exercising because if you stop it's going to catch up with you quick!0 -
You understand the concept. Apply it to food. Many people do. Food is not the meaning of life or the only component of a good life. It is one of many parts of a happy, rich, and fulfilling life. The points of this thread are that, 1- all other things being equal, life is better with good foods than it is without them, and B- including them is not mutually exclusive to healthy eating.
I'm 43 years old, not a baby, and derive happiness from eating. Every day. So that statement is easily falsified by observed reality.Only babies derive happiness from what they put in their mouths. Hedonism is always a mistake. Therein does not true joy lie.
Enjoying eating is not "hedonism." There is an entire spectrum, much of which is healthy moderation. You are presenting a false dichotomy that the only options are hedonism or misery.
I suppose sex for pleasure is also "a mistake."
Not within healthy bounds. It is a part of a healthy and fulfilling marital relationship. But unbounded sexuality has produced a great deal of human tragedy. However, that is to derail the subject at hand--sorry OP.
I think you and I probably have a different definition of happiness. I could NEVER imagine seeking it in food.
IOW getting one's required micronutrients and eating "junk" food like ice cream and pop tarts can actually occur simultaneously. It is not a matter of choosing between "eating healthy" or "eating for pleasure."0 -
I actually strongly believe that if some people had sex more often, and wouldn't worry about boundaries (who set these boundaries anyways?) a great deal of human tragedy would be avoided.Not within healthy bounds. It is a part of a healthy and fulfilling marital relationship. But unbounded sexuality has produced a great deal of human tragedy. However, that is to derail the subject at hand--sorry OP.
I think you and I probably have a different definition of happiness. I could NEVER imagine seeking it in food.0 -
This too requires a proper keyboard, not an iPhone. I'll respond, not dodging this in the least.
I would also be interested if you could give a bit of a background as to what your diet was like before you lost weight, if you don't mind? It really is amazing (and makes me jealous!) that you're able to consume so many calories and not gain weight.0 -
This too requires a proper keyboard, not an iPhone. I'll respond, not dodging this in the least.
I would also be interested if you could give a bit of a background as to what your diet was like before you lost weight, if you don't mind? It really is amazing (and makes me jealous!) that you're able to consume so many calories and not gain weight.
for a big guy doing a lot of training and building muscle, it's actually not an insane amount of food - it's pretty standard. but the pre-bulking stuff is really interesting to me too.0 -
Commenting because I want to see this thread's continuation. OP has a take on a diet that I think makes sense. Will I a 5' 2" woman ever be able to eat anywhere near his totals? NO. But that's because my exercise level wouldn't support that. His concept of 20-25% of your intake being foods for satiating craving rather than meeting macro needs makes sense. It seems perfectly sustainable to me.
That's not 2 packs of Pop-Tarts and a buncha ice cream for me (though that would be nice ), it's 4 starburst and a good dark beer one day. Another it's a serving of chocolove chocolate and a homemade iced coffee. His concept isn't EAT ALL THE POPTARTS. It's eat what you want (in relationship your limit) so that you don't go off the deep end.
Seems like a discretionary budget to me, the money you buy that hat that you really don't need with, that awesome new pair of kicks... whatever gets you jonsing without filing for bankruptcy.0 -
Pop tarts alone are fine.
Ice cream alone is fine.
Combined they are trouble.
This story took place ages ago when I was in college visiting home. It was a nice Saturday morning and the family was having a nice normal breakfast. Me being stuck in the college mentality decided to have ice cream and pop tarts. My mother had an off hand comment about it but she didn't object, she just recommended that I at least heat the Pop Tarts and not eat them cold like a stoned hippy. So I started enjoying my ice cream bowl while I waited for the Tarts. Down the stairs came running trouble in the shape of my younger brother. My mother motioned him to his plate filled with eggs, beef hash and French toast, but it was too late cause like a hawk locked onto his prey so were my brother's eyes on my ice cream bowl.
A faded smile gave him and his intentions away, granted he was slick to say he needed ketchup from the fridge to justify walking towards my end of the table. But I knew that he hates ketchup!
The confirming act of the incoming attack was him grabbing my sister's spoon. And it began with a direct attack towards the center of my bowl of ice cream but I was ready fready! I slapped it away as a second and third attempt were made but none were fruitful into getting him a taste of my ice cream. At this point it's a full on wrestling match over the ice cream, but my brother wouldn't give up even as I DeSpooned him and he had no way of getting the delicious ice cream. So, like every desperate man he wanted a taste for all the effort he put in, and like a savage he reached with his fingers into the bowl.
I called on to the U.N or mother to deal with such savage unconventional attack, a quick "leave the hippy alone" directed at my brother stopped the ice cream bowl attacks. But like any soar loser he was not happy with the outcome, fate seemed to change cause at that very moment he contemplating what to do, if to accept defeat or retaliate somehow, the Pop Tarts popped out.
To him that was a for sure win as he was closer to the toaster and I had no way of stopping him before he would take a bite or two. So I immediately resorted to a combination of diplomacy, empty threats of violence, and even asking the UN for help. None of it mattered cause he had the determination in his eyes, so all I could do is watch as my Pop Tarts fell into enemy hands.
With his ice cream covered hand he reached for the Pop Tarts. What happened next is what convinced me Pop Tarts & ice cream are a bad combo. My brother screeched as he went flying from the counter and landing next to me. I was very confused as what had happened but I figured out as I saw the black burn marks on his fingers from the electric shock.
I don't know if this convinces you or anyone else about Pop Tarts & ice cream being bad, but my brother still doesn't eat pop tarts today.
Such a great story!! Bro learned his lesson! Glad he was ok......but I am proud you are my friend! :-D0
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