I believe that IIFYM is a cult
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I've been laughing at this for about 5 minutes, what was this topic again?
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Me too.
I cant stop laughing either ROFL :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:0 -
I may be part of this cult... just not so secret about it. :laugh:0 -
If they had a flag it would be a poptart.
Did someone say poptart and ice cream?
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what is the deal with all the cult posts? this is silly and a waste of time to post such silly things. everyone has different things that work for them and different walks of life . just because someone choses a different diet/ lifestyle change doesn't make it a cult. next thing you know someone will post to wear glasses is a cult.
I believe his response will be "They started it".0 -
If they had a flag it would be a poptart.
Did someone say poptart and ice cream?
Hmm...I think I may need to change the pic on my ticker to this,0 -
Every religion is a cult.0
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If they had a flag it would be a poptart.
Did someone say poptart and ice cream?
I think I came just a little.............:embarassed:0 -
i love it!0
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I learn so much on the forums. What ever works for you .0
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definition of "Cult" from Merriam Webster.
1: formal religious veneration : worship
2: a system of religious beliefs and ritual; also : its body of adherents
3: a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious; also : its body of adherents
4: a system for the cure of disease based on dogma set forth by its promulgator <health cults>
5: a: great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work (as a film or book); especially : such devotion regarded as a literary or intellectual fad
b: the object of such devotion
c: a usually small group of people characterized by such devotion
Adherents are very devoted to the idea that as long as you are getting enough protein, fat, and carbohydrates, but not too much, you are eating a sufficient diet. Also they argue against any opposition.
Not trolling just curious how people feel about the IIFYM crowd. Let's ensure the community doesn't allow subjective responses, so the topic as a hole doesn't become divided.
With love,
Burt
Yeah, cuz the macro defaults on MFP are the healthiest ratio and it would be a waste of time to use our own brain, monitor our own health and discover a more appropriate health promoting lifestyle.
OP: thanks for this thread. I am so sick of the one sided bashing of a certain lifestyle. Why does MFP play favourites (must be they don't like that some of us think their macro defaults SUCK)?0 -
The oldest living IIFYM'er is 89, the oldest living clean eater is 91, so lets wait for the verdict, shall we?
Who said that a vegan/vegetarian diet is healthy? So by default, that means that other processed junk food (probably eaten in moderation by that celebrity or she would not be where she is) is healthy because a vegan diet is not? NO.
Edit: but I would agree that Nigella's diet is healthier if it includes animal products and adequate amounts of fat.0 -
I've been laughing at this for about 5 minutes, what was this topic again?
Obviously the OP does not posses the requirements for membersh...
Pahahaha. Sorry I tried. Really, I did.0 -
What's a macro, and I can eat burgers all day if they fit in my macros...0
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definition of "Cult" from Merriam Webster.
1: formal religious veneration : worship
2: a system of religious beliefs and ritual; also : its body of adherents
3: a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious; also : its body of adherents
4: a system for the cure of disease based on dogma set forth by its promulgator <health cults>
5: a: great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work (as a film or book); especially : such devotion regarded as a literary or intellectual fad
b: the object of such devotion
c: a usually small group of people characterized by such devotion
Adherents are very devoted to the idea that as long as you are getting enough protein, fat, and carbohydrates, but not too much, you are eating a sufficient diet. Also they argue against any opposition.
Not trolling just curious how people feel about the IIFYM crowd. Let's ensure the community doesn't allow subjective responses, so the topic as a hole doesn't become divided.
With love,
Burt
Yeah, cuz the macro defaults on MFP are the healthiest ratio and it would be a waste of time to use our own brain, monitor our own health and discover a more appropriate health promoting lifestyle.
OP: thanks for this thread. I am so sick of the one sided bashing of a certain lifestyle. Why does MFP play favourites (must be they don't like that some of us think their macro defaults SUCK)?
I may be misreading this... but from what I know... most of the IIFYM cult members I know do NOT accept the MFP defaults. In fact, I don't know if any I know do...0 -
I like eating whatever I want. No problems here. I am not fanatical, I think if it works for you and you are happy have at it. I eat what I want and try to keep my macros in a ballpark. It works fine for me so why change. My health markers are great, my competitions are great, my body is progressing. I enjoy it all.
why hate?
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I'm in the YOLO cult.
Really? Funny...I thought all those members died off in 2011 shortly after that acronym originated.0 -
I think the determining factor in whether or not something is a cult is whether or not its adherents are open to other ideas. Using this as my yard-stick, I'd say the clean-eaters on mfp seem more cult-like than the IIFYM followers. When research is thrown into an argument here the clean response seems more emotional while the IIFYM response seems more rational.
a non IIFYM person who "gets" it. Kudos to you and your amazing non emotionally charged brain. :flowerforyou:0 -
That makes sense. Sugar, however, is measured in grams... and it's true that at least in processed form, as the food pyramid says, there is no daily 'recommended' amount. Still, I'm curious to see if any IIFYMers set a cap or minimum on their sugar intake as well, or whether they just don't care about it or pay attention at all.
True - and as far as I'm aware, sugar is a component of carbohydrates. Based on my understanding, IIFYM logic would argue that limitless sugar is fine - - as long as you don't exceed your overall carbs.
Don't know what to tell you about the default MFP Macro split except for some reason it is crazy high in carbs by default.
Crazy high in carbs and crazy low in fat but it's supposedly the epitomy of health for everyone. For those it works for, great, but if I had a dime for every thread titled "help me, I can lose weight, I can't stop craving, I just binged, I'm depressed, I keep failing, I'm losing my hair, I've got diabetes, etc" I'd be rich. For some reason, the logic that food affects health is just lost on most people. When the evidence challenges one's "beliefs", the beliefs usually win and the evidence is ignored/ridiculed and quickly disregarded.0 -
That makes sense. Sugar, however, is measured in grams... and it's true that at least in processed form, as the food pyramid says, there is no daily 'recommended' amount. Still, I'm curious to see if any IIFYMers set a cap or minimum on their sugar intake as well, or whether they just don't care about it or pay attention at all.
True - and as far as I'm aware, sugar is a component of carbohydrates. Based on my understanding, IIFYM logic would argue that limitless sugar is fine - - as long as you don't exceed your overall carbs.
Don't know what to tell you about the default MFP Macro split except for some reason it is crazy high in carbs by default.
Crazy high in carbs and crazy low in fat but it's supposedly the epitomy of health for everyone. For those it works for, great, but if I had a dime for every thread titled "help me, I can lose weight, I can't stop craving, I just binged, I'm depressed, I keep failing, I'm losing my hair, I've got diabetes, etc" I'd be rich. For some reason, the logic that food affects health is just lost on most people. When the evidence challenges one's "beliefs", the beliefs usually win and the evidence is ignored/ridiculed and quickly disregarded.
Yes, and these people are not losing weight because they are eating too much and excercising too little, not because they aren't "doing paleo".0 -
definition of "Cult" from Merriam Webster.
1: formal religious veneration : worship
2: a system of religious beliefs and ritual; also : its body of adherents
3: a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious; also : its body of adherents
4: a system for the cure of disease based on dogma set forth by its promulgator <health cults>
5: a: great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work (as a film or book); especially : such devotion regarded as a literary or intellectual fad
b: the object of such devotion
c: a usually small group of people characterized by such devotion
Adherents are very devoted to the idea that as long as you are getting enough protein, fat, and carbohydrates, but not too much, you are eating a sufficient diet. Also they argue against any opposition.
Not trolling just curious how people feel about the IIFYM crowd. Let's ensure the community doesn't allow subjective responses, so the topic as a hole doesn't become divided.
With love,
Burt
Yeah, cuz the macro defaults on MFP are the healthiest ratio and it would be a waste of time to use our own brain, monitor our own health and discover a more appropriate health promoting lifestyle.
OP: thanks for this thread. I am so sick of the one sided bashing of a certain lifestyle. Why does MFP play favourites (must be they don't like that some of us think their macro defaults SUCK)?
I may be misreading this... but from what I know... most of the IIFYM cult members I know do NOT accept the MFP defaults. In fact, I don't know if any I know do...
My experience is exactly the opposite. IIFYM people are usually refering to the defaults because they assume that the recommended high carb/low fat MFP plan is THE healthy way to eat and that eating junk is just fine IIFYM.0 -
The oldest living IIFYM'er is 89, the oldest living clean eater is 91, so lets wait for the verdict, shall we?
Who said that a vegan/vegetarian diet is healthy? So by default, that means that other processed junk food (probably eaten in moderation by that celebrity or she would not be where she is) is healthy because a vegan diet is not? NO.
Edit: but I would agree that Nigella's diet is healthier if it includes animal products and adequate amounts of fat.
There are healthy ways for vegans/vegetarians to hit macros. I am not either, but I have no problem with that lifestyle if that's what they choose. I see several vegetarians on MFP that hit macros consistently and make great progress with lowering body fat and increasing strength.
Is Nigella healthier than the other lady? Who really knows? At face value, she would appear so.0 -
If they had a flag it would be a poptart.
^^ now that's funny !0 -
definition of "Cult" from Merriam Webster.
1: formal religious veneration : worship
2: a system of religious beliefs and ritual; also : its body of adherents
3: a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious; also : its body of adherents
4: a system for the cure of disease based on dogma set forth by its promulgator <health cults>
5: a: great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work (as a film or book); especially : such devotion regarded as a literary or intellectual fad
b: the object of such devotion
c: a usually small group of people characterized by such devotion
Adherents are very devoted to the idea that as long as you are getting enough protein, fat, and carbohydrates, but not too much, you are eating a sufficient diet. Also they argue against any opposition.
Not trolling just curious how people feel about the IIFYM crowd. Let's ensure the community doesn't allow subjective responses, so the topic as a hole doesn't become divided.
With love,
Burt
Yeah, cuz the macro defaults on MFP are the healthiest ratio and it would be a waste of time to use our own brain, monitor our own health and discover a more appropriate health promoting lifestyle.
OP: thanks for this thread. I am so sick of the one sided bashing of a certain lifestyle. Why does MFP play favourites (must be they don't like that some of us think their macro defaults SUCK)?
I may be misreading this... but from what I know... most of the IIFYM cult members I know do NOT accept the MFP defaults. In fact, I don't know if any I know do...
My experience is exactly the opposite. IIFYM people are usually refering to the defaults because they assume that the recommended high carb/low fat MFP plan is THE healthy way to eat and that eating junk is just fine IIFYM.
I think you are making many assumptions that are incorrect regardin IIFYM.0 -
My experience is exactly the opposite. IIFYM people are usually refering to the defaults because they assume that the recommended high carb/low fat MFP plan is THE healthy way to eat and that eating junk is just fine IIFYM.
Actually, no. Let's refer to IIFYM as flexible dieting instead. Eating junk all the time isn't going to work for anyone. All it's basically stating is that if you are eating nutritious foods 80-90% of the time, then you can leave room for treats as long as you can fit those treats into your calorie and macro limits. It's not complicated and it isn't some hard fast diet regimen.
ETA: Most flexible dieters adjust their macros.0 -
Sacrilegious !!!!! The truest pizza cults only worship meat-lovers pizzas.0 -
That makes sense. Sugar, however, is measured in grams... and it's true that at least in processed form, as the food pyramid says, there is no daily 'recommended' amount. Still, I'm curious to see if any IIFYMers set a cap or minimum on their sugar intake as well, or whether they just don't care about it or pay attention at all.
True - and as far as I'm aware, sugar is a component of carbohydrates. Based on my understanding, IIFYM logic would argue that limitless sugar is fine - - as long as you don't exceed your overall carbs.
Don't know what to tell you about the default MFP Macro split except for some reason it is crazy high in carbs by default.
Crazy high in carbs and crazy low in fat but it's supposedly the epitomy of health for everyone. For those it works for, great, but if I had a dime for every thread titled "help me, I can lose weight, I can't stop craving, I just binged, I'm depressed, I keep failing, I'm losing my hair, I've got diabetes, etc" I'd be rich. For some reason, the logic that food affects health is just lost on most people. When the evidence challenges one's "beliefs", the beliefs usually win and the evidence is ignored/ridiculed and quickly disregarded.
Yes, and these people are not losing weight because they are eating too much and excercising too little, not because they aren't "doing paleo".
Did I say that? It's funny how a "balanced" diet often can't resolve cravings and binging and many other health problems. Funny thing that some lifestyles can resolve these problems just by changing what one eats. And it's wrong to share experiences with people who aren't having success on a "balanced" diet... because no one has the guts to let them know that there is a different way that may work for them?
But nah, just let them fail and struggle with hunger, and feel like losers; they're just lazy pigs who don't get enough exercise.0 -
The oldest living IIFYM'er is 89, the oldest living clean eater is 91, so lets wait for the verdict, shall we?
And the oldest living smoker died when she was 115.....
of lung cancer!!!
^^^ does it matter what you die of at 115?0 -
definition of "Cult" from Merriam Webster.
1: formal religious veneration : worship
2: a system of religious beliefs and ritual; also : its body of adherents
3: a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious; also : its body of adherents
4: a system for the cure of disease based on dogma set forth by its promulgator <health cults>
5: a: great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work (as a film or book); especially : such devotion regarded as a literary or intellectual fad
b: the object of such devotion
c: a usually small group of people characterized by such devotion
Adherents are very devoted to the idea that as long as you are getting enough protein, fat, and carbohydrates, but not too much, you are eating a sufficient diet. Also they argue against any opposition.
Not trolling just curious how people feel about the IIFYM crowd. Let's ensure the community doesn't allow subjective responses, so the topic as a hole doesn't become divided.
With love,
Burt
Yeah, cuz the macro defaults on MFP are the healthiest ratio and it would be a waste of time to use our own brain, monitor our own health and discover a more appropriate health promoting lifestyle.
OP: thanks for this thread. I am so sick of the one sided bashing of a certain lifestyle. Why does MFP play favourites (must be they don't like that some of us think their macro defaults SUCK)?
I may be misreading this... but from what I know... most of the IIFYM cult members I know do NOT accept the MFP defaults. In fact, I don't know if any I know do...
My experience is exactly the opposite. IIFYM people are usually refering to the defaults because they assume that the recommended high carb/low fat MFP plan is THE healthy way to eat and that eating junk is just fine IIFYM.
I'm IIFYM and I don't do the MFP defaults I do my own split 40/30/30.. that's MY thing.. MY body seems to be more responsive to that.. too low of fat makes me crabby. I think there are plenty of IIFYM'ers who adjust theres to meet specific goals for nutrition and physique
I also am not an extremist in any regard.0 -
definition of "Cult" from Merriam Webster.
1: formal religious veneration : worship
2: a system of religious beliefs and ritual; also : its body of adherents
3: a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious; also : its body of adherents
4: a system for the cure of disease based on dogma set forth by its promulgator <health cults>
5: a: great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work (as a film or book); especially : such devotion regarded as a literary or intellectual fad
b: the object of such devotion
c: a usually small group of people characterized by such devotion
Adherents are very devoted to the idea that as long as you are getting enough protein, fat, and carbohydrates, but not too much, you are eating a sufficient diet. Also they argue against any opposition.
Not trolling just curious how people feel about the IIFYM crowd. Let's ensure the community doesn't allow subjective responses, so the topic as a hole doesn't become divided.
With love,
Burt
Yeah, cuz the macro defaults on MFP are the healthiest ratio and it would be a waste of time to use our own brain, monitor our own health and discover a more appropriate health promoting lifestyle.
OP: thanks for this thread. I am so sick of the one sided bashing of a certain lifestyle. Why does MFP play favourites (must be they don't like that some of us think their macro defaults SUCK)?
I may be misreading this... but from what I know... most of the IIFYM cult members I know do NOT accept the MFP defaults. In fact, I don't know if any I know do...
My experience is exactly the opposite. IIFYM people are usually refering to the defaults because they assume that the recommended high carb/low fat MFP plan is THE healthy way to eat and that eating junk is just fine IIFYM.
The IIFYMers I know do 1 gram of protein per pound of LBM, .35 grams of fat per pound of body weight, and the rest carbs. That's how I have mine set.
ETA: or 40/30/30, or something similar0 -
My experience is exactly the opposite. IIFYM people are usually refering to the defaults because they assume that the recommended high carb/low fat MFP plan is THE healthy way to eat and that eating junk is just fine IIFYM.
Then you've been checking the wrong food diaries.
Most of the IIFYM folks that I know aim for 1g of protein minimum per pound of lean body mass, .35g fat minimum per pound of total body weight, and fill the rest with carbs as it fits your calories.
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/819055-setting-your-calorie-and-macro-targets
For me, that means a minimum of 110g protein and 47g fat . I have my macro settings at 50% carbs, 30% fat and 20% protein, which gives me 288c - 56f - 115p with my TDEE of 2300 calories.
To avoid confusion when giving advice, personally, I often suggest if you're going by the MFP defaults, to treat protein and fat as minimums to go pass and carbs as a maximum to stay under.0
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