A Calorie is a Caloire is a...... let's compare...

Not just because I'm a Beachbody fanboy, but explain Tony Horton to me then, who kicks the pants off the 26 year olds he competes against. He's able to outperform the "kids" who work for Beachbody in just about every area of fitness. They do live chats and such, and in one of them he had some of the younger employees come up with challenges for him to do like pullups with an 80lb dumbbell between his feet. etc - he beat every one of the guys. he lost to a girl who could do more pistol squats. he's 54 years old

Genetics? It's anecdotal. I kick the **** out of people half my age too. Just the other day I did a 40" standing box jump. How many 49 year old 5' 7" dudes do you now can do that? And eat some "processed" foods to boot?

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absolutely. **** i had another pop tart this morning! (i mean i bought the box, i'm not gonna let them go to waste) but is your diet *primarily* processed? do you eat more processed foods than unprocessed?

80/20 eater. I have acquaintances at the gym that eat WAY cleaner than I do and can't achieve a pullup even though they strength wise should be able to (they can pull their weight and even a little more on a lat pull down, but not on a pullup).
But it can go the other way if someone has need of higher calories than "clean" food can provide. For instance, I would bet on a % basis Michael Phelps has to eat more processed than clean foods to reach a calorie count of 10,000 and not feel full while he has to train. Unless there's some magical high calorie clean food that won't give you the runs from eating too much of it.

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A calorie is a calorie is not my idea of health. The more raw the better. Gods food is perfect in everyway. The mentality that a calorie is a calorie is why we have so many obese people in the world.

I read your link and more power to him. Just imagine how hard he must train to keep that slim/ripped physique.

Ladies and anyone over 40 eating for "health", as I do, could not do that.

I guess it all depends on what you're here for.

You can rack up alot of calories fast eating clean with nuts, seeds, flax seed, coconut & olive oil.
Does "clean" mean no meat or just organics?
Because then you can add steak, beef, pork, chicken and even fish.
I'm not sure exactly how to get to 10,000 but I can easily get to 2,500 and still have room for lots more.

That's 3 times more than you're eating now.........................and then have to train for 4-6 hours a day. Tell me you wouldn't throw up if you had to eat 3 more times than you're doing now and train your own training session for just 2 hours?
Don't you think that an Olympic athlete who needs that much would rather get it from clean foods if they actually could without it interrupting their training?

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... and a female. So no I can't comprehend what is appetite is like. I'm not as active as he is either. So he eats junk, he looks great. I'm talking about HEALTH. (Brain food, good eyes, a digestive system that doesn't want to shut down on you, cholesterol, ...etc.) I'm sure his numbers are in check exercising the way he does. Mine are OUTSTANDING doing 1/8 of what he does, but I eat right.

That's kind of the point, isn't it? What you eat doesn't matter all that much. What matters is your lifestyle and calorie balance. When you get the correct number of calories to be a healthy weight and get plenty of exercise, that's 90% of the battle. Most of the last 10% is macronutrient intake. A tiny tiny portion may be micronutrient intake, with most of even that small amount being taken care of by a normal diet with a multivitamin and maybe 1 or 2 other things like fish oil. The tiny tiny tiny leftover part is basically "who knows?"

the second this argument became about michael phelps is the moment it stopped being relevant to anything we were talking about before.

I think it's still relevant. The man eats mountains of junk while training and his health is probably phenomenally good. Sugar, grease, refined and processed foods out the wazoo. And yet he's still the best the world has ever seen at what he does, and his health is probably excellent.

lol because he trains all friggin day and BURNS that many calories! the moment he stops training that hard is the moment he has to start eating healthier foods. has literally nothing to do with ANYONE who uses MFP

lol because he trains all friggin day and BURNS that many calories! the moment he stops training that hard is the moment he has to start eating healthier foods. has literally nothing to do with ANYONE who uses MFP

"he... BURNS that many calories!"

Well... yeah. That's what I'm saying. His caloric intake is appropriate and he gets plenty of exercise. That's the "secret" to being healthy.

says the guy who feels "old" and "tired" at 31