Is MILK work?

A serving of broccoli has more calcium in it than a serving of milk. As an exercise physiologist,

This is an absolute and total lie. An "exercise physiologist" shouldn't be spreading such blatantly wrong information.

A cup of chopped broccoli has 43 mg calcium and no vitamin D.

A cup of skim milk has 316 mg calcium and 25% of the RDA for vitamin D.

Any kind of "physiologist" should also know the relationship between calcium absorption and vitamin D as well.

An entire stalk of broccoli still only has 71 mg calcium. In other words, a single 110 calorie cup of milk has over four times the calcium of an entire stalk of broccoli.

Please, don't repeat this lie again.

I know the relationship between vitamin D and calcium - what I should of said was a few servings of broccoli and other leafy greens, a days worth of greens with calcium in them.

Oh so what you really meant to say was "four entire stalks of broccoli will give you almost as much calcium as a single 8 ounce serving of skim milk"?

Or maybe what you meant to say was "three quarts of raw spinach will give you as much calcium as a single 8 ounce serving of skim milk?"

No. I think what you really meant was "I have no idea what I'm talking about, but for some inexplicable reason I think that one serving of broccoli will give you more calcium than skim milk when the reality is that you need a quart of raw spinach and two entire stalks of broccoli to get close to the calcium content of a single cup of milk - and then, you'll need to take a vitamin D pill on top of that because broccoli and spinach have none."

It's OK to say "wow, I was completely wrong about that." You don't need to save your ego by trying to play it off as a typing error.

I have to agree with those saying to avoid the hormones in milk. It's the same thing with poultry. I don't want my kids getting unnecessary hormones meant to bulk up animals . . . same thing with GMOs -- there is a reason they are banned in a lot of countries.

I drink soymilk because I don't want any blood, pus or added hormones and antibiotics while getting my calcium. I also get in lots of fruits and veggies to get calcium. Cow's milk also makes me sick, which makes sense because it's from an animal.

Anyone see forks over knives and the major university studies on casein?

http://www.drheise.com/milk.htm

That a good site too.

Anyone see forks over knives and the major university studies on casein?

http://www.drheise.com/milk.htm

That a good site too.

Casein gives me some nasty sinus issues speaking from personal experience. No studies involved.

Anyone see forks over knives and the major university studies on casein?

http://www.drheise.com/milk.htm

That a good site too.

Casein gives me some nasty sinus issues speaking from personal experience. No studies involved.

Yes that is one of the things, its shown to cause mucus increases, and respiratory inflammation.

Ah, a milk thread - I wondered how long it would be before it plunged down this route.

Most northern european cultures have been dairying long enough to adapt to ill effects of milk products. If you are lactose intolerant, that is fair enough, and I do believe that there is a lot of undiagnosed low-level lactose intolerance about.


As for the 'expert' on dairy farming up there - what a joke.

I used to be bothered to explain rudimentary dairying to people on these threads, but I can no longer be bothered. Go to a farm once in a while, theres plenty about.

Old Mcgreggor's farm = not where most milk for human consumption comes from.

I know plenty about where milk comes from. I am a farmer. I've been to plenty dairy farms in my time - my godfather used to have a 150 cow unit....

Congrats?

A serving of broccoli has more calcium in it than a serving of milk. As an exercise physiologist, and nutritional apprentice I don't think milk isn't good. We are the only species to drink milk after infancy. And it isn't even human milk, it's from a pregnant cow. Cow's milk is made for a baby cow to grow larger in a short amount of time. It has IGF-1 factors, and 15 different variations of androgenic hormones. Puss cells, and casien which is known to cause cancer in large amounts. This is probably the reason for early development in children in schools, acne, inflammation, and other problems.

Also the only species to wipe our butts after pooping.

and the only ones to cook our food,


Better stop that right now!

I know plenty about where milk comes from. I am a farmer. I've been to plenty dairy farms in my time - my godfather used to have a 150 cow unit....

Congrats?

So; the point is, most milk at least in this country comes from dairy farms, I think the average size is about 100 - 150 cows, a big one is 300 or so. cows are usually grazed in the summer, housed in the winter and fed silage and concentrates/wholecrop. Dairy farmers are experts at getting the most possible out of their grass because margins in milk are tight and the longer cows are housed, the more it costs to keep them.

I dunno a 'McGregor', but I assume that you meant family farms as opposed to big, indoor cow units, which are really unusual in Europe as a whole.

So much for your "couldn't be bothered" statement.

So much for your "couldn't be bothered" statement.

Thats not rudimentary, thats so basic it really shouldn't need explaining - but it seems it does because people seem to know nothing whatsoever about food production and yet claim to be experts in it.

The daily recommendations the FDA puts out for Vitamin D3 intake are still way too low (200 IU a day?? Give me a break! They'd rather you take all kinds of expensive pharmaceuticals instead because D3 is cheap). 75% of Americans do not get enough Vitamin D. The big thing "they" do not want you to know is that our immune system requires a high amount of D3 to function. Even if one drinks milk and takes a general (once a day) supplement, it is still not enough D3. You need to get the 5000 IU capsules found at Walmart/Sam's Club (and possibly elsewhere, but I know it's reasonably priced and readily available those two places). Take AT LEAST one of those every day, and more when you're sick. D3 can only be synthesized through the skin, and not in most of the Northern hemisphere from November - March. So all winter long, even if you go outside and even if you burn, your body does NOT synthesize Vitamin D3 because it's a different process than UV rays burning the skin. There are plenty of scientific articles on this and google is your friend.

Don't hestitate. Get D3 and take it in copious amounts. You will NOT overdose on D3. It is, in fact, prescribed in high doses (50,000 IU pills) to sick individuals who need the immune system boost.

Better yet, get your D3 levels tested so you can see if you are deficient.

D3 is not some "wussy vitamin" -- it's the best-kept secret and is VITAL to overall health.

I know plenty about where milk comes from. I am a farmer. I've been to plenty dairy farms in my time - my godfather used to have a 150 cow unit....

Congrats?

So; the point is, most milk at least in this country comes from dairy farms, I think the average size is about 100 - 150 cows, a big one is 300 or so. cows are usually grazed in the summer, housed in the winter and fed silage and concentrates/wholecrop. Dairy farmers are experts at getting the most possible out of their grass because margins in milk are tight and the longer cows are housed, the more it costs to keep them.

I dunno a 'McGregor', but I assume that you meant family farms as opposed to big, indoor cow units, which are really unusual in Europe as a whole.

So much for your "couldn't be bothered" statement.

Er, miaow?

Sounds like you need educating, maybe that's why he bothered.

You're welcome.

.......D3 can only be synthesized through the skin, and not in most of the Northern hemisphere from November - March. So all winter long, even if you go outside and even if you burn, your body does NOT synthesize Vitamin D3 because it's a different process than UV rays burning the skin. There are plenty of scientific articles on this and google is your friend.

...and yet human beings have existed in Northern Europe for millenia without such a supplement. Spooky.

I know plenty about where milk comes from. I am a farmer. I've been to plenty dairy farms in my time - my godfather used to have a 150 cow unit....

Congrats?

So; the point is, most milk at least in this country comes from dairy farms, I think the average size is about 100 - 150 cows, a big one is 300 or so. cows are usually grazed in the summer, housed in the winter and fed silage and concentrates/wholecrop. Dairy farmers are experts at getting the most possible out of their grass because margins in milk are tight and the longer cows are housed, the more it costs to keep them.

I dunno a 'McGregor', but I assume that you meant family farms as opposed to big, indoor cow units, which are really unusual in Europe as a whole.

So much for your "couldn't be bothered" statement.

Er, miaow?

Sounds like you need educating, maybe that's why he bothered.

You're welcome.

Not really considering I didn't ask a question or claim to know anything except most milk isn't from a happy little dairy farm and no I don't consider 100-150 cows a "small little dairy farm".

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