Pop tarts vs. Toaster Strudel
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I love these threads :laugh:
Also, there's a poptart group.
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/forums/show/12993-pop-tart-fans
which has (not surprisingly) a total of like 20 posts across a few threads.
y'all only like talking about pop tarts when it gets a rise out of people, so doing it in a private group is no fun.0 -
I have never had either a pop tart or a toaster strudel.
so I can make my decision purely on marketing and packaging
I would go for the toaster strudel because
1. the pics of it look nicer. It looks like a strudel, as opposed to a piece of cardboard with plastic icing on it
2. the name doesn't contain the term "pop" or "tart" the former being a kind of music I don't like very much, the latter being a derisive term for someone (male or female) who sings this kind of music on stage
3. the name contains the words "toaster" and "strudel" - the former being a device for making toast, for which my feelings are completely neutral. I don't particularly want one but if someone gave me one as a gift I wouldn't consider it a terrible thing. The latter is a delicious European pastry and apple dish, which goes very well with ice cream
I am, however, well aware of the principle of "don't judge a book by its cover" so would be prepared to be proven wrong on all counts. On the other hand, I don't want to lose my pop tart or toaster strudel virginity and would rather fit something better into my macros, such as a cadbury's creme egg twisted bar eaten with blueberries.0 -
i love how these threads always result in some food phobic (usually a member in good standing of the paleo/primal/clean eating cults) posting the list of ingredients in pop tarts (or toaster strudels) as a way to prove they are "bad". :laugh:
ooohhhhhhh scary! ...eh, kids?
food phobic? orthorexic? really? we're still doing this?
enjoy your thread, but the thinly veiled digs about having a psychological disorder need to stop. it's no different than calling someone anorexic which would get your reported/a strike/banned/etc
many, MANY people prefer not to ingest synthetically produced chemical additives, and that's perfectly fine.
WRONG!
orthorexia as a psychological disorder is on the same plane as those who are afraid to step on the cracks between the concrete sections of a sidewalk or those who panic at the sight of the number "13".
it is most definitely NOTHING like people suffering from anorexia. to try to equate the two as a way of saying therefore that nobody should be allowed to make any reference to orthorexia is something out of the writings of George Orwell or Aldous Huxley. the best way to defeat orthorexia is to discuss it openly and explain why there is no such thing as "bad" foods.
orthorexia and anorexia are not the same thing. anybody who does not understand that should take a minute to learn a bit about orthorexia before pressing that "report post" button.0 -
Strawberry frosted Pop Tarts warm and crisp from the toaster.
Portable. Shareable. Delicious.0 -
i love how these threads always result in some food phobic (usually a member in good standing of the paleo/primal/clean eating cults) posting the list of ingredients in pop tarts (or toaster strudels) as a way to prove they are "bad". :laugh:
ooohhhhhhh scary! ...eh, kids?
food phobic? orthorexic? really? we're still doing this?
enjoy your thread, but the thinly veiled digs about having a psychological disorder need to stop. it's no different than calling someone anorexic which would get your reported/a strike/banned/etc
many, MANY people prefer not to ingest synthetically produced chemical additives, and that's perfectly fine.
WRONG!
orthorexia as a psychological disorder is on the same plane as those who are afraid to step on the cracks between the concrete sections of a sidewalk or those who panic at the sight of the number "13".
it is most definitely NOTHING like people suffering from anorexia. to try to equate the two as a way of saying therefore that nobody should be allowed to make any reference to orthorexia is something out of the writings of George Orwell or Aldous Huxley. the best way to defeat orthorexia is to discuss it openly and explain why there is no such thing as "bad" foods.
orthorexia and anorexia are not the same thing. anybody who does not understand that should take a minute to learn a bit about orthorexia before pressing that "report post" button.
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i love how these threads always result in some food phobic (usually a member in good standing of the paleo/primal/clean eating cults) posting the list of ingredients in pop tarts (or toaster strudels) as a way to prove they are "bad". :laugh:
ooohhhhhhh scary! ...eh, kids?
food phobic? orthorexic? really? we're still doing this?
enjoy your thread, but the thinly veiled digs about having a psychological disorder need to stop. it's no different than calling someone anorexic which would get your reported/a strike/banned/etc
many, MANY people prefer not to ingest synthetically produced chemical additives, and that's perfectly fine.
WRONG!
orthorexia as a psychological disorder is on the same plane as those who are afraid to step on the cracks between the concrete sections of a sidewalk or those who panic at the sight of the number "13".
it is most definitely NOTHING like people suffering from anorexia. to try to equate the two as a way of saying therefore that nobody should be allowed to make any reference to orthorexia is something out of the writings of George Orwell or Aldous Huxley. the best way to defeat orthorexia is to discuss it openly and explain why there is no such thing as "bad" foods.
orthorexia and anorexia are not the same thing. anybody who does not understand that should take a minute to learn a bit about orthorexia before pressing that "report post" button.
reeeeeally? i wasn't comparing orthorexia and anorexia - and if you thought i was you're more obtuse than I thought.
i was comparing the fact that y'all are incredibly quick to make assumptions about peoples' psychological state without knowing a DAMN thing about them. and the fact that when you don't like someone and you want to say something offensive but you're worried you'll get reported, you can throw out "orthorexic" and get away with it, snicker, and high-five the other members of your cool-kids poptart group.
grow up.
also, i'd love to see the license that allows you to diagnose others' psychoses.
except of course you absolutely did equate them, which was my response to you. your exact words:
"it's no different than calling someone anorexic"
my blurb at the end was for the people who think orthorexic and anorexic are the same just because both words end with "-orexic".
also, where can i find this cool kids pop tart group?0 -
Your argument is invalid.
Bow to the King.0 -
i love how these threads always result in some food phobic (usually a member in good standing of the paleo/primal/clean eating cults) posting the list of ingredients in pop tarts (or toaster strudels) as a way to prove they are "bad". :laugh:
ooohhhhhhh scary! ...eh, kids?
food phobic? orthorexic? really? we're still doing this?
enjoy your thread, but the thinly veiled digs about having a psychological disorder need to stop. it's no different than calling someone anorexic which would get your reported/a strike/banned/etc
many, MANY people prefer not to ingest synthetically produced chemical additives, and that's perfectly fine.
WRONG!
orthorexia as a psychological disorder is on the same plane as those who are afraid to step on the cracks between the concrete sections of a sidewalk or those who panic at the sight of the number "13".
it is most definitely NOTHING like people suffering from anorexia. to try to equate the two as a way of saying therefore that nobody should be allowed to make any reference to orthorexia is something out of the writings of George Orwell or Aldous Huxley. the best way to defeat orthorexia is to discuss it openly and explain why there is no such thing as "bad" foods.
orthorexia and anorexia are not the same thing. anybody who does not understand that should take a minute to learn a bit about orthorexia before pressing that "report post" button.
reeeeeally? i wasn't comparing orthorexia and anorexia - and if you thought i was you're more obtuse than I thought.
i was comparing the fact that y'all are incredibly quick to make assumptions about peoples' psychological state without knowing a DAMN thing about them. and the fact that when you don't like someone and you want to say something offensive but you're worried you'll get reported, you can throw out "orthorexic" and get away with it, snicker, and high-five the other members of your cool-kids poptart group.
grow up.
also, i'd love to see the license that allows you to diagnose others' psychoses.
except of course you absolutely did equate them, which was my response to you. your exact words:
"it's no different than calling someone anorexic"
my blurb at the end was for the people who think orthorexic and anorexic are the same just because both words end with "-orexic".
also, where can i find this cool kids pop tart group?
u can haz speakz english?
CALLING someone orthorexic is no different than CALLING someone anorexic. Grammatically speaking, I'm comparing the act of calling, not the two conditions.
by your logic,
calling somebody attractive is the same as calling somebody bigoted???
grammatically speaking, of course.0 -
There, that's actually a healthy breakfast that will leave you feeling full, contribute to the creation and retention of lean mass, and avoid giving you Type 2 diabetes.
So all you've done is compared pop tarts to eggs. I still fail to see why you call it garbage? How's it going to give me type 2? Sugar doesn't give you diabetes. Why do I claim that? Because science.
I hit my micro nutrient goals quite easily by nautre of my diet, which you seem to ignore. By the time I've finished my third meal I've eaten 2 - 2.5 lbs of vegetables, 1.5 - 2 lbs of lean meat (primarily chicken breast), almonds, cottage cheese, whey, a mutli-vitamin, & fish oil supplement. As well as 16+ glasses of water.
I don't eat breakfast, so that argument is invalid.
To what would you like me to compare your vaunted Pop Tarts? A chicken breast? A clump of broccoli? How about a protein shake, which someone else mentioned? Pop Tarts are garbage - I won't even mention what goes into them as far as preservatives and food coloring, so let's just focus on the basic ingredients: bleached flour, sugar, and fat to hold it all together. Or, from Kellogg's own website: ENRICHED FLOUR (WHEAT FLOUR, NIACIN, REDUCED IRON, THIAMIN MONONITRATE [VITAMIN B1], RIBOFLAVIN [VITAMIN B2], FOLIC ACID), BROWN SUGAR (SUGAR, MOLASSES), SOYBEAN AND PALM OIL (WITH TBHQ FOR FRESHNESS), CORN SYRUP, DEXTROSE, HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP, CRACKER MEAL. I'll stop there before we get to the stuff that can't be pronounced (your "science", I believe).
In your diet you describe, do you routinely sit down to eat a bowl of flour (don't let the "wheat" part fool you, all flour is wheat-based, they're not contending whole wheat)? Plenty of sugar? Doing shots of palm oil, the worst of the oils? Mainlining corn syrup?
I hope the answer is "no". I mean, after all this is not myFATnesspal.com, unless I'm mistaken.
If you can read just that partial ingredient list, and not come to the conclusion that, yes Virginia, Pop Tarts ARE garbage and Frankenfood - well, there's not much more to say.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: I almost feel bad for you .... but you're not new so you should know better. You had to have known that a pop-tart post by mag would lead you sugar laden food porn and the glorification of toaster pastries.0 -
Pop Tarts aren't a drink, and correlation does not equal causation.
If you want to keep rationalizing your dietary choices, I'm not going to burst your bubble. But results speak for themselves.
It's rational to eat food. It's irrational to suggest that food never be eaten. I do agree that results speak for themselves. I'm proud of my successes!
The point about the drink is that liquid sugar hits your system quicker. Diabetics are advised to avoid sugary drinks, including fresh juices, unless their blood sugar is too low, in which case a glass of OJ is the perfect remedy.
What I refuse to do is to excuse your apparent orthorexia.
oh hell no...
dude do you have google alert for orthorexia on this site.... its like you are magnetized to the word. :laugh:0 -
i love how these threads always result in some food phobic (usually a member in good standing of the paleo/primal/clean eating cults) posting the list of ingredients in pop tarts (or toaster strudels) as a way to prove they are "bad". :laugh:
ooohhhhhhh scary! ...eh, kids?
food phobic? orthorexic? really? we're still doing this?
enjoy your thread, but the thinly veiled digs about having a psychological disorder need to stop. it's no different than calling someone anorexic which would get your reported/a strike/banned/etc
many, MANY people prefer not to ingest synthetically produced chemical additives, and that's perfectly fine.
WRONG!
orthorexia as a psychological disorder is on the same plane as those who are afraid to step on the cracks between the concrete sections of a sidewalk or those who panic at the sight of the number "13".
it is most definitely NOTHING like people suffering from anorexia. to try to equate the two as a way of saying therefore that nobody should be allowed to make any reference to orthorexia is something out of the writings of George Orwell or Aldous Huxley. the best way to defeat orthorexia is to discuss it openly and explain why there is no such thing as "bad" foods.
orthorexia and anorexia are not the same thing. anybody who does not understand that should take a minute to learn a bit about orthorexia before pressing that "report post" button.
reeeeeally? i wasn't comparing orthorexia and anorexia - and if you thought i was you're more obtuse than I thought.
i was comparing the fact that y'all are incredibly quick to make assumptions about peoples' psychological state without knowing a DAMN thing about them. and the fact that when you don't like someone and you want to say something offensive but you're worried you'll get reported, you can throw out "orthorexic" and get away with it, snicker, and high-five the other members of your cool-kids poptart group.
grow up.
also, i'd love to see the license that allows you to diagnose others' psychoses.
except of course you absolutely did equate them, which was my response to you. your exact words:
"it's no different than calling someone anorexic"
my blurb at the end was for the people who think orthorexic and anorexic are the same just because both words end with "-orexic".
also, where can i find this cool kids pop tart group?
u can haz speakz english?
CALLING someone orthorexic is no different than CALLING someone anorexic. Grammatically speaking, I'm comparing the act of calling, not the two conditions.
by your logic,
calling somebody attractive is the same as calling somebody bigoted???
grammatically speaking, of course.
yeah no. please re-read my original post. i don't have time to re-teach you the english language because i have to go obsessively plan my next meal.0 -
i don't eat either anymore, but definitely a strawberry toaster strudel. with extra icing...
And could we all be nicer to each other? i mean, i know that for some of us it's a family holiday. it can be quite stressful. and you're probably trying to figure out how to navigate the food pushers and loads of unhealthy choices but crabbing out on the rest of us, especially when the title of the thread says it all, is a little much.
Remember what the Dalai Lama says, "It is always possible to be kind." so, leave the thread and visit the one asking about your favorite flower. i voted for pink peonies, btw.:flowerforyou:
Namaste.0 -
i don't eat either anymore, but definitely a strawberry toaster strudel. with extra icing...
And could we all be nicer to each other? i mean, i know that for some of us it's a family holiday. it can be quite stressful. and you're probably trying to figure out how to navigate the food pushers and loads of unhealthy choices but crabbing out on the rest of us, especially when the title of the thread says it all, is a little much.
Remember what the Dalai Lama says, "It is always possible to be kind." so, leave the thread and visit the one asking about your favorite flower. i voted for pink peonies, btw.:flowerforyou:
Namaste.
Now we have someone trying to push herbology on a pop-tart thread :noway: totally uncalled for.
(The herb known as Paeonia, in particular the root of P. lactiflora (Bai Shao, Radix Paeoniae Lactiflorae), has been used frequently in traditional medicines of Korea, China and Japan. Research suggests that constituents in P. lactiflora – paeoniflorin and paeonol – can modulate IgE-induced scratching behaviors and mast cell degranulation.) :laugh:
I vote for lilacs:flowerforyou:0 -
i don't eat either anymore, but definitely a strawberry toaster strudel. with extra icing...
And could we all be nicer to each other? i mean, i know that for some of us it's a family holiday. it can be quite stressful. and you're probably trying to figure out how to navigate the food pushers and loads of unhealthy choices but crabbing out on the rest of us, especially when the title of the thread says it all, is a little much.
Remember what the Dalai Lama says, "It is always possible to be kind." so, leave the thread and visit the one asking about your favorite flower. i voted for pink peonies, btw.:flowerforyou:
Namaste.
Now we have someone trying to push herbology on a pop-tart thread :noway: totally uncalled for.
(The herb known as Paeonia, in particular the root of P. lactiflora (Bai Shao, Radix Paeoniae Lactiflorae), has been used frequently in traditional medicines of Korea, China and Japan. Research suggests that constituents in P. lactiflora – paeoniflorin and paeonol – can modulate IgE-induced scratching behaviors and mast cell degranulation.) :laugh:
I vote for lilacs:flowerforyou:
I love lilacs, too. Have a cutting from my great grandmother's tree growing in my own back yard.
And by the way, You Rule!!!0 -
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: I almost feel bad for you .... but you're not new so you should know better. You had to have known that a pop-tart post by mag would lead you sugar laden food porn and the glorification of toaster pastries.
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If you can read just that partial ingredient list, and not come to the conclusion that, yes Virginia, Pop Tarts ARE garbage and Frankenfood - well, there's not much more to say.
i love how these threads always result in some food phobic (usually a member in good standing of the paleo/primal/clean eating cults) posting the list of ingredients in pop tarts (or toaster strudels) as a way to prove they are "bad". :laugh:
ooohhhhhhh scary! ...eh, kids?
Well, Winner, since you've taken it upon yourself to ascribe to me the trait of "food phobic" (which I'm not), and a member of a clean-eating "cult" (of which I would be proud, were it completely true), I'm going to respond to your snarky comments.
First of all, I'm not food-phobic. In fact, I just finished my Easter dinner of leg of lamb, garlic mashed potatoes (home-made by me), asparagus sauteed in olive olive oil and garlic, and ice cream for dessert. With hot fudge.
Second, I've found by a quick perusal of the responses to my post that most ( most , but not all ) of the greatest defenders of garbage like Pop Tarts are those who are farthest from reaching their goal.0 -
Unfortunately here in England we don't seem to have "toaster strudels" but I once did try a "pop tart". I put it in the toaster and when It was done I bit into it with relish, (this was before I became aware of sensible eating). I can still feel the pain and agony as my tongue and gums fried in the sticky boiling jam in the centre of this instrument of torture. I have never tried one since.0
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Second, I've found by a quick perusal of the responses to my post that most ( most , but not all ) of the greatest defenders of garbage like Pop Tarts are those who are farthest from reaching their goal.
Interesting statistical conclusion there. And when I say interesting, I mean not a very good one.0 -
Wow for a thread that you two should have just walked on by, you have been incredibly rude. As this thread clearly doesn't interest you except to put down others, those who just like to have a laugh now and again on a harmless subject. I guess "bad" food pushes your buttons so maybe you should just stay out of these threads in the future?
Instead you've just come across as condescending and rude. Reddy - how long have you been trying to add those 10lbs on for? Seems you could be "just" as far away from your goal as other are to theirs. :noway:0 -
Unfortunately here in England we don't seem to have "toaster strudels" but I once did try a "pop tart". I put it in the toaster and when It was done I bit into it with relish, (this was before I became aware of sensible eating). I can still feel the pain and agony as my tongue and gums fried in the sticky boiling jam in the centre of this instrument of torture. I have never tried one since.
Hi I'm in England too - you can get the s'mores ones on Amazon and ebay - and I highly recommend them. They are tasty tasty sugar. Just give them a moment to cool down, or eat with ice cream. :laugh:
Oh and they can fit into sensible eating if you just have them as a treat now and again. :drinker:0 -
Second, I've found by a quick perusal of the responses to my post that most ( most , but not all ) of the greatest defenders of garbage like Pop Tarts are those who are farthest from reaching their goal.
Defenders of pop-tarts, eh? So, anyone who happens to like them more than toaster strudels is likely further from their goal than who--is that what a "defender of pop tarts" is? Or is liking either one (pop-tarts OR toaster strudels) an indication that you're far from goal? In either case it is completely absurd to suggest such a thing.0 -
Second, I've found by a quick perusal of the responses to my post that most ( most , but not all ) of the greatest defenders of garbage like Pop Tarts are those who are farthest from reaching their goal.
1. I don't find that to be true at all but it's an easy statement to throw out there without substantiating, so I can see why you'd try it.
2. Perhaps part of their "goal" is to actually enjoy their lives and their meals. Not everyone's goal is to attain some mythical level of physical or health 'perfection' or 'eliteness' to the extent that all the things they enjoy in life must be cast out. Enjoying food and drink is one of the things that makes life great.0 -
Second, I've found by a quick perusal of the responses to my post that most ( most , but not all ) of the greatest defenders of garbage like Pop Tarts are those who are farthest from reaching their goal.
1. I don't find that to be true at all but it's an easy statement to throw out there without substantiating, so I can see why you'd try it.
2. Perhaps part of their "goal" is to actually enjoy their lives and their meals. Not everyone's goal is to attain some mythical level of physical or health 'perfection' or 'eliteness' to the extent that all the things they enjoy in life must be cast out. Enjoying food and drink is one of the things that makes life great.
Word!
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Pop-Tarts have helped me lose almost 40 pounds so far, and I'm within 10 pounds (closer to 8, really) of my goal weight. Anyone else?Second, I've found by a quick perusal of the responses to my post that most ( most , but not all ) of the greatest defenders of garbage like Pop Tarts are those who are farthest from reaching their goal.0 -
Wow for a thread that you two should have just walked on by, you have been incredibly rude. As this thread clearly doesn't interest you except to put down others, those who just like to have a laugh now and again on a harmless subject. I guess "bad" food pushes your buttons so maybe you should just stay out of these threads in the future?
Instead you've just come across as condescending and rude. Reddy - how long have you been trying to add those 10lbs on for? Seems you could be "just" as far away from your goal as other are to theirs. :noway:
haha i actually have JUST started trying to gain again - as in the last few days.
also i had completely ignored this thread till orthorexia started getting thrown around again. totally uncalled for.0 -
Second, I've found by a quick perusal of the responses to my post that most ( most , but not all ) of the greatest defenders of garbage like Pop Tarts are those who are farthest from reaching their goal.
1. I don't find that to be true at all but it's an easy statement to throw out there without substantiating, so I can see why you'd try it.
Because the most vociferous Pop Tart defenders here (there are two, one of whom called me "orthorexic" and the other who said I was a member of cult and "food phobic", and they know who they are - you can read back if you're curious) are both in the camp of being far from goal. If you want some substantiation, dig a little.0 -
There clearly is only one answer. Let it begin!
Old news bro, had this thread months ago... pop tarts won,,,, but they still suck!0 -
Second, I've found by a quick perusal of the responses to my post that most ( most , but not all ) of the greatest defenders of garbage like Pop Tarts are those who are farthest from reaching their goal.
1. I don't find that to be true at all but it's an easy statement to throw out there without substantiating, so I can see why you'd try it.
Because the most vociferous Pop Tart defenders here (there are two, one of whom called me "orthorexic" and the other who said I was a member of cult and "food phobic", and they know who they are - you can read back if you're curious) are both in the camp of being far from goal. If you want some substantiation, dig a little.
But if they have hit their minimum protein and fat targets, and still have some calories left to have a pop-tart, why is it a problem?
People aren't eating 100% pop-tarts, they are eating pop-tarts as part of an otherwise healthy diet.
Just like you did with your dessert today.0 -
Second, I've found by a quick perusal of the responses to my post that most ( most , but not all ) of the greatest defenders of garbage like Pop Tarts are those who are farthest from reaching their goal.
1. I don't find that to be true at all but it's an easy statement to throw out there without substantiating, so I can see why you'd try it.
Because the most vociferous Pop Tart defenders here (there are two, one of whom called me "orthorexic" and the other who said I was a member of cult and "food phobic", and they know who they are - you can read back if you're curious) are both in the camp of being far from goal. If you want some substantiation, dig a little.
But if they have hit their minimum protein and fat targets, and still have some calories left to have a pop-tart, why is it a problem?
People aren't eating 100% pop-tarts, they are eating pop-tarts as part of an otherwise healthy diet.
Just like you did with your dessert today.
THAT isn't the problem. What you suggested is totally fine. The problem is those same people demeaning folks who choose to eat "clean", while wearing a pop tart as a badge of honor.0 -
Second, I've found by a quick perusal of the responses to my post that most ( most , but not all ) of the greatest defenders of garbage like Pop Tarts are those who are farthest from reaching their goal.
1. I don't find that to be true at all but it's an easy statement to throw out there without substantiating, so I can see why you'd try it.
Because the most vociferous Pop Tart defenders here (there are two, one of whom called me "orthorexic" and the other who said I was a member of cult and "food phobic", and they know who they are - you can read back if you're curious) are both in the camp of being far from goal. If you want some substantiation, dig a little.
But if they have hit their minimum protein and fat targets, and still have some calories left to have a pop-tart, why is it a problem?
People aren't eating 100% pop-tarts, they are eating pop-tarts as part of an otherwise healthy diet.
Just like you did with your dessert today.
I never SAID it was a problem - I said that Pop-Tarts and Toaster Strudel are garbage, nothing but a sugar and fat delivery system. If that's what you want to eat, more power to you. But your fitness is like The Slight Edge - a total of a lot of seemingly small decisions that have no apparent impact at the moment you make them but their cumulative effect over time determines whether you succeed or fail. So if you want to eat a Pop Tart, go ahead - but I'd never pretend it was "food" that was going past my lips, or that it in any way is going to contribute to my well-being and in fact is a setback I could have avoided.0
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