Pop tarts vs. Toaster Strudel

Good gawd. How the hell did a thread about pop tarts vs toaster strudel become so nasty!?!?!? Very sad.

It's because all the "lets make certain food evil people" are jealous that we enjoy tasty tasty crap every now and again. :bigsmile:

Weird... I recall those same people saying they eat ice cream, fudge, etc on occasion


Your argument seems invalid...

I think it's more that the few people arguing refuse to ever agree with one another, but most would agree that treats that fit into their macros and calorie allotment are ok (whether they are poptarts, toaster strudel, or 70% organic dark chocolate).

Yep. We do all agree on that point. We simply have different definitions on how much of that calorie allotment they should take up. Many in this thread think it doesnt matter, and well... there are those who disagree with that philosophy.

*Personally* I think people with a higher BF% can have more "crap" in their diet than someone at a lower BF% like yourself. The types of food you eat and macros seem to have a much greater impact when you start trying to lose the "the last few pounds" or when trying to find your abs. But, I'm sure there will be a slew of people who disagree with me :laugh:

which kind of proves that a calorie isn't a calorie, huh?

i tend to agree in the sense that when you're trying to lose 100 pounds, no, it doesn't matter a damn WHAT you eat as long as you're at a deficit - you'll lose weight.

when a relatively fit person is trying to lower body fat while maintaining muscle mass, then it absolutely matters what you eat.

But you can still use some of your calories on things like ice-cream, pop tarts and the like and still get abs. Lowering body fat = caloric deficit. Maintaining LBM = enough protein and undertaking a good progressive strength training routine.

i disagree on the lowering body fat part. i think you can drop body fat while eating your TDEE.

What, you are saying that you cannot lower body fat while having those things?

But you can still use some of your calories on things like ice-cream, pop tarts and the like and still get abs. Lowering body fat = caloric deficit. Maintaining LBM = enough protein and undertaking a good progressive strength training routine.

Think thats his problem, i dont call p90x progressive strength training.

cute. P90X is hardly the only thing I do. but nice try. :flowerforyou:

Sorry couldnt tell.

Fried is always best... But Ive never fried a pop tart

Good gawd. How the hell did a thread about pop tarts vs toaster strudel become so nasty!?!?!? Very sad.

It's because all the "lets make certain food evil people" are jealous that we enjoy tasty tasty crap every now and again. :bigsmile:

Weird... I recall those same people saying they eat ice cream, fudge, etc on occasion


Your argument seems invalid...

I think it's more that the few people arguing refuse to ever agree with one another, but most would agree that treats that fit into their macros and calorie allotment are ok (whether they are poptarts, toaster strudel, or 70% organic dark chocolate).

Yep. We do all agree on that point. We simply have different definitions on how much of that calorie allotment they should take up. Many in this thread think it doesnt matter, and well... there are those who disagree with that philosophy.

*Personally* I think people with a higher BF% can have more "crap" in their diet than someone at a lower BF% like yourself. The types of food you eat and macros seem to have a much greater impact when you start trying to lose the "the last few pounds" or when trying to find your abs. But, I'm sure there will be a slew of people who disagree with me :laugh:

which kind of proves that a calorie isn't a calorie, huh?

i tend to agree in the sense that when you're trying to lose 100 pounds, no, it doesn't matter a damn WHAT you eat as long as you're at a deficit - you'll lose weight.

when a relatively fit person is trying to lower body fat while maintaining muscle mass, then it absolutely matters what you eat.

But you can still use some of your calories on things like ice-cream, pop tarts and the like and still get abs. Lowering body fat = caloric deficit. Maintaining LBM = enough protein and undertaking a good progressive strength training routine.

i disagree on the lowering body fat part. i think you can drop body fat while eating your TDEE.

What, you are saying that you cannot lower body fat while having those things?

nope. didn't say that did i? when you're trying to lower body fat and maintain LBM, it's necessary to be more meticulous. that doesn't mean you can't fit in a pop tart, but you need to know exactly how it fits in your plan for the day.

in my personal experience, it works the best if your discretionary calories are a small percentage of your daily allotment. I use 10% as my number and its worked well. I know people go as high as 20% and find success, but I don't believe you can go higher than that and have a sub 10% body fat (for men) or a sub 14% or 15% for women.

Both are FULL of nothing but sugar - but...if I had to choose it would be a strudel any day of the week. i do not think I have had pop tarts in years!!! Sugared cardboard..no thanks!!! Strudels at least have a nice flaky layer. Healthy wise though...stay clear from this crap! i do not even buy this for my kids!

14 g of sugar is hardly 200 calories. Your argument is completely invalid.

43g of macronutrients

36g of simple carbs that get metabolized as glucose

they're pretty much all sugar

Good gawd. How the hell did a thread about pop tarts vs toaster strudel become so nasty!?!?!? Very sad.

It's because all the "lets make certain food evil people" are jealous that we enjoy tasty tasty crap every now and again. :bigsmile:

Weird... I recall those same people saying they eat ice cream, fudge, etc on occasion


Your argument seems invalid...

I think it's more that the few people arguing refuse to ever agree with one another, but most would agree that treats that fit into their macros and calorie allotment are ok (whether they are poptarts, toaster strudel, or 70% organic dark chocolate).

Yep. We do all agree on that point. We simply have different definitions on how much of that calorie allotment they should take up. Many in this thread think it doesnt matter, and well... there are those who disagree with that philosophy.

*Personally* I think people with a higher BF% can have more "crap" in their diet than someone at a lower BF% like yourself. The types of food you eat and macros seem to have a much greater impact when you start trying to lose the "the last few pounds" or when trying to find your abs. But, I'm sure there will be a slew of people who disagree with me :laugh:

which kind of proves that a calorie isn't a calorie, huh?

i tend to agree in the sense that when you're trying to lose 100 pounds, no, it doesn't matter a damn WHAT you eat as long as you're at a deficit - you'll lose weight.

when a relatively fit person is trying to lower body fat while maintaining muscle mass, then it absolutely matters what you eat.

But you can still use some of your calories on things like ice-cream, pop tarts and the like and still get abs. Lowering body fat = caloric deficit. Maintaining LBM = enough protein and undertaking a good progressive strength training routine.

i disagree on the lowering body fat part. i think you can drop body fat while eating your TDEE.

What, you are saying that you cannot lower body fat while having those things?

nope. didn't say that did i? when you're trying to lower body fat and maintain LBM, it's necessary to be more meticulous. that doesn't mean you can't fit in a pop tart, but you need to know exactly how it fits in your plan for the day.

in my personal experience, it works the best if your discretionary calories are a small percentage of your daily allotment. I use 10% as my number and its worked well. I know people go as high as 20% and find success, but I don't believe you can go higher than that and have a sub 10% body fat (for men) or a sub 14% or 15% for women.

I was clarifying what you were saying to ensure no misunderstanding, which is why I asked the question. Surely that is better than making assumptions. However, it seems as though you do not like me trying to do that based on the tone of the response.

I actually disagree that you cannot go higher than 20% discretionary to get a low BF% (and 18% for women is more comparable to a 10% for men) - whether it will be a good idea, I think we can agree that it will not.

Both are FULL of nothing but sugar - but...if I had to choose it would be a strudel any day of the week. i do not think I have had pop tarts in years!!! Sugared cardboard..no thanks!!! Strudels at least have a nice flaky layer. Healthy wise though...stay clear from this crap! i do not even buy this for my kids!

14 g of sugar is hardly 200 calories. Your argument is completely invalid.

43g of macronutrients

36g of simple carbs that get metabolized as glucose

they're pretty much all sugar

I really only see 14 g of simple carbs. All carbs eventually get metabolized as glucose so unless you're going to call all carbs sugar from here on out...Based on that you ate 200g of sugar yesterday.

well... all carbs do become glucose eventually. however simple carbs are metabolized quickly, like sugar. and enriched flours are simple carbs.

TOASTER STRUDELS FTW.

Both are FULL of nothing but sugar - but...if I had to choose it would be a strudel any day of the week. i do not think I have had pop tarts in years!!! Sugared cardboard..no thanks!!! Strudels at least have a nice flaky layer. Healthy wise though...stay clear from this crap! i do not even buy this for my kids!

14 g of sugar is hardly 200 calories. Your argument is completely invalid.

43g of macronutrients

36g of simple carbs that get metabolized as glucose

they're pretty much all sugar

I really only see 14 g of simple carbs. All carbs eventually get metabolized as glucose so unless you're going to call all carbs sugar from here on out...Based on that you ate 200g of sugar yesterday.

well... all carbs do become glucose eventually. however simple carbs are metabolized quickly, like sugar. and enriched flours are simple carbs.

Primary ingredient isn't enriched flour. It's whole wheat flour, enriched is second. Which means out of the 36g carbs, 14 are sugar, 3 are fiber, that leaves 19 g for the rest. So it's safe to assume, based on labeling law, that out of the 19 at least 10g of this is whole wheat flower, leaving only 9 (at most) for enriched flour. So that brings simple carb total (at most) up to 23 g.

Fortified white wheat flour does not, however, contain the macronutrients of the wheat's bran and germ (especially fiber and protein) like whole-grain flour does. Whole grain is a good source of calcium, iron, fiber, and other minerals like selenium.[1] Regular "whole wheat" flour commonly used commercially has 70% of the germ removed to prevent rancidity, and as such cannot be labeled "whole grain".

and beyond being less nutritious, and thus faster-metabolizing, pop tarts are also listed as being very high on the GI scale and having a high Glycemic Load.

so... regardless of whether you think the GI or GL scales matter, Pop Tarts are still mostly sugar.

I like both but since I'm always on the go Pop Tarts win by default.
Cinnamon & Cherry Pop Tarts FTW!

43g of macronutrients

36g of simple carbs that get metabolized as glucose

they're pretty much all sugar

Carbs are nutrients too.

I've never had a Toaster Strudel and its been a couple years since I've had a Pop tart.

If I were to choose, I'd go with a S'more Pop tart. Omgosh yum!