80/10/10--I'm doing it!
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Consumption of animal products IS toxic. That is the ONLY place Cholesterol is found. And, what is the number one cause of death in the US right now? Heart disease. What causes heart disease, you ask? Cholesterol.
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I don't believe cholesterol or animal products are toxic or evil. Consider their source.
This is an excerpt from : http://drhyman.com/blog/conditions/why-cholesterol-may-not-be-the-cause-of-heart-disease/
"If you’re like most of the patients I see in my practice, you’re convinced that cholesterol is the evil that causes heart disease. You may hope that if you monitor your cholesterol levels and avoid the foods that are purported to raise cholesterol, you’ll be safe from America’s number-one killer.
We are all terrified of cholesterol because for years well-meaning doctors, echoed by the media, have emphasized what they long believed is the intimate link between cholesterol and death by heart disease. If only it were so simple!
The truth is much more complex.
Cholesterol is only one factor of many — and not even the most important — that contribute to your risk of getting heart disease.
First of all, let’s take a look at what cholesterol actually is. It’s a fatty substance produced by the liver that is used to help perform thousands of bodily functions. The body uses it to help build your cell membranes, the covering of your nerve sheaths, and much of your brain. It’s a key building block for our hormone production, and without it you would not be able to maintain adequate levels of testosterone, estrogen, progesterone and cortisol.
So if you think cholesterol is the enemy, think again. Without cholesterol, you would die.
In fact, people with the lowest cholesterol as they age are at highest risk of death. Under certain circumstances, higher cholesterol can actually help to increase life span.
In reality, the biggest source of abnormal cholesterol is not fat at all — it’s sugar. The sugar you consume converts to fat in your body. And the worst culprit of all is high fructose corn syrup.
To help clear the confusion, I will review many of the cholesterol myths our culture labors under and explain what the real factors are that lead to cardiovascular disease.
Cholesterol Myths
One of the biggest cholesterol myths out there has to do with dietary fat. Although most of us have been taught that a high-fat diet causes cholesterol problems, this isn’t entirely true. Here’s why: The type of fat that you eat is more important than the amount of fat. Trans fats or hydrogenated fats and saturated fats promote abnormal cholesterol, whereas omega-3 fats and monounsaturated fats actually improve the type and quantity of the cholesterol your body produces.
In reality, the biggest source of abnormal cholesterol is not fat at all — it’s sugar. The sugar you consume converts to fat in your body. And the worst culprit of all is high fructose corn syrup.
Consumption of high fructose corn syrup, which is present in sodas, many juices, and most processed foods, is the primary nutritional cause of most of the cholesterol issues we doctors see in our patients."
And yes, references are at the bottom of the page.0 -
For myself, I have finally figured out that low carbs are the only way I can lose weight. It's taken over a year of trying different methods to figure it out. Just started the low carbs this month and have already lost 5 pounds. It's really true - one routine doesn't fit all. Good luck in your weight loss journey. 0
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So this is one of those diets where vitamins are somehow more essential than minerals, essential fatty acids or amino acids? OK then.0
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I like my fat and protein. Plus, weightlifting won't be doing me much good if I'm eating only 10%. I'll take at least 35%, thanks!0
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:drinker:Holy thread resurrection Batman!0 -
80/10/10 is a raw vegan diet fad...I will just politely say that setting percentages for macros doesn't work and that this diet highly ignores the fact that protein and fat are ESSENTIAL nutrients whereas carbohydrates are non-essential and should be determined based on physical activity.
These type of dieters do ridiculous things like eating nothing but fruit in ridiculous amounts all day and often these people have serious fears (orthorexics) about fat and consumption of animal products as being "toxic"
Consumption of animal products IS toxic. That is the ONLY place Cholesterol is found. And, what is the number one cause of death in the US right now? Heart disease. What causes heart disease, you ask? Cholesterol.
Heart disease is caused by a bunch of different factors, obesity and NOT animal products being the main cause. Please stop with the vegan propaganda.0 -
You'll feel great, I've been on it for 3 months after being higher fat vegan 2 months before that. Carbs from the right sources (fruit) will definitely help you burn cleaner. Most people fail to mention the massive "green" meal that 80/10/10ers have during the day. Fruits and vegetables people, it's what most of the world lives on. I'm a competitive cyclist and this has really gotten rid of my IBS, poor skin, and low energy. Shoot for 10g of carbs from fruit per kg. Also, see Forks Over Knives, good luck debunking the China Study.0
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Consumption of animal products IS toxic. That is the ONLY place Cholesterol is found. And, what is the number one cause of death in the US right now? Heart disease. What causes heart disease, you ask? Cholesterol.
This is the "lipid hypothesis". Dietary Cholesterol is not the same thing as blood cholesterol.
Thank you thank you thank you!!!!!0 -
I'm doing 35/35/30 and love it... 150 pounds since July. Blood pressure from 145/96 to 121/77.0
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Are you losing weight by restricting calories? Careful of ketosis.0
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Don't you mean ketoacidocis?Are you losing weight by restricting calories? Careful of ketosis.0 -
For myself, I have finally figured out that low carbs are the only way I can lose weight. It's taken over a year of trying different methods to figure it out. Just started the low carbs this month and have already lost 5 pounds. It's really true - one routine doesn't fit all. Good luck in your weight loss journey.
This, lowering carbs helped. I could exercise until I was blue in the face and restrict restrict restrict but lowering carbs worked.0 -
Try it! You will feel great for the first few months, glowing even. You'll lose weight and have more energy than ever. Then within a year or two your health will rapidly deteriorate. It's extremely difficult (but not impossible) to sustain over longterm.
Also whoever said that animal meat IS TOXIC and that cholesterol is the only proven cause of heart disease is seriously misguided. Another myth and should be in the same category with the people who think you should only eat egg whites when eating eggs.0 -
80 carbs, 10 protein, 10 fat. Not what I'd call very balanced. I wouldn't get very far consuming 25 to 30 g's of protein a day.
Generally, these diets are very high calorie so people can get their protein minimums.
...I still think it's a poor choice, though, the ideas behind it are based on really flimsy reasoning and bad interpretation of data. I put raw veganism right up there with WAPF and paleo in the hierarchy of ridiculous diet ideas but at least those diets are capable of providing a person with all the nutrition they need.Cholesterol, It's what cells need.
Yeah, good thing our bodies synthesize it all by themselves and we don't need to eat it ever.
But no, it's not "toxic."Vegans really are a weird cult.
Not really. Most of us are just compassionate people who advocate for nonviolence. People who are doing plant-based diets or advocate for it for (misguided) health reasons seriously need to stop hijacking the word "vegan."0 -
80 carbs, 10 protein, 10 fat. Not what I'd call very balanced. I wouldn't get very far consuming 25 to 30 g's of protein a day.
Generally, these diets are very high calorie so people can get their protein minimums.
...I still think it's a poor choice, though, the ideas behind it are based on really flimsy reasoning and bad interpretation of data. I put raw veganism right up there with WAPF and paleo in the hierarchy of ridiculous diet ideas but at least those diets are capable of providing a person with all the nutrition they need.Cholesterol, It's what cells need.
Yeah, good thing our bodies synthesize it all by themselves and we don't need to eat it ever.
But no, it's not "toxic."Vegans really are a weird cult.
Not really. Most of us are just compassionate people who advocate for nonviolence. People who are doing plant-based diets or advocate for it for (misguided) health reasons seriously need to stop hijacking the word "vegan."
You're comparing paleo to raw veganism?0 -
I thought the 80 would be protein. LOL.
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You're comparing paleo to raw veganism?
In terms of having a flimsy foundation on junk science, yes.0 -
I thought the 80 would be protein. LOL.
me too!!! lol0 -
You'll feel great, I've been on it for 3 months after being higher fat vegan 2 months before that. Carbs from the right sources (fruit) will definitely help you burn cleaner. Most people fail to mention the massive "green" meal that 80/10/10ers have during the day. Fruits and vegetables people, it's what most of the world lives on. I'm a competitive cyclist and this has really gotten rid of my IBS, poor skin, and low energy. Shoot for 10g of carbs from fruit per kg. Also, see Forks Over Knives, good luck debunking the China Study.
Actually, most of the rest of the world lives on rice and various meats. And legumes.0 -
I am slowly working my way into the 80 10 10 lifestyle. It is a change, but when I eat fully raw for a whole day, I feel amazing.
For those who have nothing but negative things to say about the diet... please don't post on here. This is for people who are seeking like minded individuals who need support while changing or maintaining their healthy lifestyle. Let's not attack one another or the eating lifestyle that one chooses. We are all trying to be healthy here. What's wrong with supporting or not saying anything at all??
I have found bananas to be my life support. I'm trying to get more into eating dates, but they are so expensive.
Where do you all get your dates?0 -
The problem, lovelylauz02, is that eating fully raw 80/10/10 is NOT healthy.
Just because you've categorized raw fruits, nuts, and vegetables as healthy foods, does not mean it is healthy to eat nothing but raw fruits, nuts and vegetables.
I have some positive things to say. Doing it for a couple days once in a while will make you feel like a super star. I think it's mostly the sustained sugar high from all the fruit and fiber, though.
If you continue on the diet for any extended period of time, you will start to show signs of malnutrition (generally, not enough amino acids and essential fatty acids) and your teeth will erode away from all the high-acid foods you're eating.
No reputable source supports raw veganism as a healthy lifestyle long-term, not even the crazies like Fuhrman, McDougall and Campbell. There is absolutely no evidence that it is healthful, and tons of evidence that it is not.
I don't see what is unhelpful about informing people that they've got some misinformation and are embarking on something that has the potential to be dangerous.0 -
80/10/10 is a raw vegan diet fad...I will just politely say that setting percentages for macros doesn't work and that this diet highly ignores the fact that protein and fat are ESSENTIAL nutrients whereas carbohydrates are non-essential and should be determined based on physical activity.
These type of dieters do ridiculous things like eating nothing but fruit in ridiculous amounts all day and often these people have serious fears (orthorexics) about fat and consumption of animal products as being "toxic"
While this sort of diet can definately been seen as a fad there is a lot of good research out there that supports this type of eating (along with much research that supports against this type of eating).
Don't put everyone who follows a raw food diet under one label as someone who will do ridiculous things or suffer fears about fat and animal products. Not all followers are ridiculous nor are they afraid of animal products and fats.... everyone doesn't fit into one label. Sure, there are those out there who are freaked out about consuming too much fat or think animal products are terrible... but it isn't everyone.
While I don't follow the 80/10/10 macro amounts, I do follow a mainly raw food diet. My diet at the moment is about 90% raw. I have honestly never felt better than I do now. I do consume large amounts of fruits but not the same amounts that most on this diet plan consume. I am not afraid of fats and I don't think animal products are toxic. I choose not to eat them and choose not to eat meats and some animal products long before I decided to go raw. I went raw to try and reduce some issues I was having. I cannot consume wheat, gluten, most dairy products, etc and have not consumed meat is almost a year and don't choose to eat it ever again. My doctor has approved this diet as has a nutritionist I see. I do consume more fat and protein than those who follow 80/10/10 do.
To those following 80/10/10 or a primiarly raw food diet feel free to add me as a friend. For those that don't agree with the diet, that's perfectly ok. We all have our opinions and ultimately have to try what we feel is best for us, our health and our body. I'm not saying raw is better than any other way of eating and I never will because all diets can be healthy if done correctly.. they can all be unhealthy as well.0 -
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Can u survive n sustain doing something like this forever????
I just don't get the point what would make a person resort to measures like these to lose weight.. U WON'T be able to keep it off once u lose!
The whole idea of being on MFP is that u eat right, exercise right n lose weight so that u can maintain it all your life! Proteins n Fats are ESSENTIAL, do not drop it to such horrendously low levels.
On what are these value judgements based? Do you have anything credible to substantiate this? The World Health Organization recommends only 3-4% protein.0 -
I thought the 80 would be protein. LOL.
That's what I thought too. I was thinking to myself... hmmm, would be hard to keep fat so low.0 -
80/10/10 is a raw vegan diet fad...I will just politely say that setting percentages for macros doesn't work and that this diet highly ignores the fact that protein and fat are ESSENTIAL nutrients whereas carbohydrates are non-essential and should be determined based on physical activity.
These type of dieters do ridiculous things like eating nothing but fruit in ridiculous amounts all day and often these people have serious fears (orthorexics) about fat and consumption of animal products as being "toxic"
Consumption of animal products IS toxic. That is the ONLY place Cholesterol is found. And, what is the number one cause of death in the US right now? Heart disease. What causes heart disease, you ask? Cholesterol.
SO MUCH WRONG and FALLACY here. I would correct you but dang...0 -
So this is one of those diets where vitamins are somehow more essential than minerals, essential fatty acids or amino acids? OK then.
Nope, not even close.0 -
80/10/10 is a raw vegan diet fad...I will just politely say that setting percentages for macros doesn't work and that this diet highly ignores the fact that protein and fat are ESSENTIAL nutrients whereas carbohydrates are non-essential and should be determined based on physical activity.
These type of dieters do ridiculous things like eating nothing but fruit in ridiculous amounts all day and often these people have serious fears (orthorexics) about fat and consumption of animal products as being "toxic"
Consumption of animal products IS toxic. That is the ONLY place Cholesterol is found. And, what is the number one cause of death in the US right now? Heart disease. What causes heart disease, you ask? Cholesterol.
SO MUCH WRONG and FALLACY here. I would correct you but dang...
Thank you!0 -
I was foolish to try the banana diet for a few days while doing heavy squats. I ate about 42 bananas one day and other days I would eat spinach or kale and banana smoothies and I was really sore from the squats for about a week. Usually eating normal amounts of protein I'm only sore about 2-3 days maximum. I broke down and ate several cans of sardines and went back to eating a normal diet still high in fruits and vegetables but with some meat, eggs and fish.0
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I thought the 80 would be protein. LOL.
That's what I thought too. I was thinking to myself... hmmm, would be hard to keep fat so low.
It is hard, when the norm is abnormally high. Even breast milk is only around 5%; babies are able to chunk out just fine. We burn carbohydrates primarily and the body is inefficient at converting fat and protein to glucose. When asked, hardly anyone knows how much is recommended. While its true we need fat and protein, the amount is much lower than one would expect. Look at lean people all over the world, they do fine at levels below 10% (I'm not talking about starving people either). Reference: The China Study.0
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