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Concealed Carry: good or bad idea
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I personally would rather live in a country that has some recourse if my government is tyrannical, or becomes that way.
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I am more worried about idiots that carry guns, legally or illegally. I know more idiots that legally have them personally.
You should associate yourself with a better group of people then.0 -
as a brit, i like our gun laws exactly how they are.
one man was killed, no bystanders were injured, the cops caught the perps.
i'm not sure how a firefight with citizens in the middle of the street could have improved the outcome.
This, basically.
One man died. It was a tragedy. If the EDL lot who turned up shortly after had been equipped with firearms we would be mourning the loss of a lot more than one innocent life. I'm aware that guns don't kill people, but they certainly make it a lot easier.0 -
You should associate yourself with a better group of people then.
I didn't say I associate with them lol0 -
I personally would rather live in a country that has some recourse if my government is tyrannical, or becomes that way.
I hear Syria's lovely this time of year.0 -
I live in an extremely liberal state and consider myself a liberal. That being said, I am also a proud gun owner with a concealed weapons permit. I was raised that guns are tools not toys and if you own a weapon you need to be prepared to use it, but never to play around with it. It's all about being responsible. Criminals will always find a way to get weapons. I just would rather be prepared and armed and ready to protect myself and my family if it should ever come to that. I have never had to fire my weapon (other than at the gun range) but if I was put in a situation where my life or the lives of people I love were at stake, you better believe I wouldn't even think twice.0
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btw I have many many democrats that I have brought over to my side. We have plenty of cookies and milk and go to the gun ranges frequently.
no in all seriousness. I have had many co-workers that were so biased and misinformed and ignorant. I finally challenged them and brought them to a gun range. 98% of everyone I have ever brought to a gun range ends up buying a gun.
the problem is you cant argue with someone's imagination. This is where many of the anti's are.... in imagination world. I have a spreadsheet I created from FBI statics about gun violence, population, etc. While the news outlets would make you believe violent crimes and gun violence is on the rise, it has drastically declined while our population has steadily increased. I have taken it a step further and compared violent crime rates from the UK since the ban, and compared those rates to the US violent crime rates. SHOCKING to say the least. Oh and I got the UK crime statics from home office (UK's FBI)0 -
I feel safer knowing only police and criminals carry firearms, I'm Canadian bTW.
I hope this is a joke.0 -
Ya, all of this.
This, basically.
One man died. It was a tragedy. If the EDL lot who turned up shortly after had been equipped with firearms we would be mourning the loss of a lot more than one innocent life. I'm aware that guns don't kill people, but they certainly make it a lot easier.0 -
I personally would rather live in a country that has some recourse if my government is tyrannical, or becomes that way.
Thank you!0 -
btw I have many many democrats that I have brought over to my side. We have plenty of cookies and milk and go to the gun ranges frequently.
no in all seriousness. I have had many co-workers that were so biased and misinformed and ignorant. I finally challenged them and brought them to a gun range. 98% of everyone I have ever brought to a gun range ends up buying a gun.
the problem is you cant argue with someone's imagination. This is where many of the anti's are.... in imagination world. I have a spreadsheet I created from FBI statics about gun violence, population, etc. While the news outlets would make you believe violent crimes and gun violence is on the rise, it has drastically declined while our population has steadily increased. I have taken it a step further and compared violent crime rates from the UK since the ban, and compared those rates to the US violent crime rates. SHOCKING to say the least. Oh and I got the UK crime statics from home office (UK's FBI)
I think I love you.0 -
How do you suggest stopping a criminal/murderer that has a gun? Give him a mean talking to?0 -
Chicago has the worst crime rate and the only state left (not for long) to NOT have conceal carry. Things that make you go hmmmmm
Don't forget DC.0 -
good idea0
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So i'm from MOntana. My family does not carry however My 8 year old has been using 22 she has been in gun safety for years it is kept at my uncles house in a gun safe and he has no children. It is used at a shooting range and my 4 yr started gun safety this year with bb guns. It is important that all know how to safely use and handle them. If kids and family are taught from ayoung age the danger and proper use they will not be a novelty to play with or use to harm someone. We don't have guns in our house with our small children but we do teach them how to use them and take them to the shooting range to target shoot.0
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I live in Florida. I've never known a world without concealed carry.
We're also home to the nation's most idiotic or horrific crimes and the Stand Your Ground law where I could literally shoot you from my car's front seat if you began to approach me, and I stand a good chance at getting away with it.
So - I'm not 100% sure how I feel about it.
I would look a little more into that. Don't think you can just shoot people for casually approaching you.0 -
I have my gun permit.
I'm in Chicagoland. I believe the gangbangers around here would think twice before shooting if they knew there was a strong possibility they'd get shot back at. People think conceal and carry will make everyone go buckwild and there'll be Wild, Wild West shootouts everywhere. No, I think it will make people with the stupidest of brains even more cautious about who they try to shoot (at or start trouble with).
I don't plan on coming back to this debate, so if you disagree, I'm fine with it. That was just my two cents. PEACE! :glasses:0 -
Concealed carry is a great idea. I personally think anyone with the permit should be able to carry in "no gun" zones as well. To me ,those are a terrible idea to begin with...what an invitation for someone to go in and shoot a bunch of people with little resistance
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btw I have many many democrats that I have brought over to my side. We have plenty of cookies and milk and go to the gun ranges frequently.
no in all seriousness. I have had many co-workers that were so biased and misinformed and ignorant. I finally challenged them and brought them to a gun range. 98% of everyone I have ever brought to a gun range ends up buying a gun.
the problem is you cant argue with someone's imagination. This is where many of the anti's are.... in imagination world. I have a spreadsheet I created from FBI statics about gun violence, population, etc. While the news outlets would make you believe violent crimes and gun violence is on the rise, it has drastically declined while our population has steadily increased. I have taken it a step further and compared violent crime rates from the UK since the ban, and compared those rates to the US violent crime rates. SHOCKING to say the least. Oh and I got the UK crime statics from home office (UK's FBI)
And what eaxctly were your findings?
This is part of what I want to hear.
Can you give me figures?0 -
btw I have many many democrats that I have brought over to my side. We have plenty of cookies and milk and go to the gun ranges frequently.
no in all seriousness. I have had many co-workers that were so biased and misinformed and ignorant. I finally challenged them and brought them to a gun range. 98% of everyone I have ever brought to a gun range ends up buying a gun.
the problem is you cant argue with someone's imagination. This is where many of the anti's are.... in imagination world. I have a spreadsheet I created from FBI statics about gun violence, population, etc. While the news outlets would make you believe violent crimes and gun violence is on the rise, it has drastically declined while our population has steadily increased. I have taken it a step further and compared violent crime rates from the UK since the ban, and compared those rates to the US violent crime rates. SHOCKING to say the least. Oh and I got the UK crime statics from home office (UK's FBI)
I am 100% liberal but actually enjoy going to the gun range. I wont purchase one while my children are in my home still, and I agree crime rates are declining but do you think it is a result of more people owning weapons?0 -
How do you suggest stopping a criminal/murderer that has a gun? Give him a mean talking to?
It's rarely an issue here. If someone has broken into your house to steal your jewellery, there's about a 1% chance they'll have a gun. Sure, guns exist in the UK in organised crime units and some gangs, but these are people doing bank jobs and largely just shooting each other. The junkies on the street looking to mug you and the kids breaking into your home do not have guns, or easy access to guns. Stopping a bad guy with a gun is less of an issue when the vast, vast majority of bad guys anyone will ever need to stop don't have them to start with.0 -
How do you suggest stopping a criminal/murderer that has a gun? Give him a mean talking to?
I would say spanking but honestly, we can't even do that anymore.0 -
I have my CCP and I do carry.
I feel safer knowing that, if needed, I can defend myself or someone else being assaulted.
Crime can happen to anyone at any time so, as a result, I want to be prepared.
I wear a seatbelt but, I don't plan on crashing my car. I wear it just in case I DO crash my car.
My pistol is no different then a seatbelt really.
My wife does NOT have a CCP however, we have a handgun in the house and it is in a safe with a bio scanner. It can be opened in about a half a second.0 -
How do you suggest stopping a criminal/murderer that has a gun? Give him a mean talking to?
I've known two people in my life that have been carjacked...one is dead, the other is not. Guess which one had a firearm?
Here's a hint: I talked to him yesterday!0 -
The only thing to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. I'm armed, educated and proud.
^ 100% this0 -
i'm sure a lot of pro-gun americans will be offended by this and take it as a slight on their culture, but i don't feel like my culture needs to become more like theirs. i would prefer if it didn't.
This, basically.
One man died. It was a tragedy. If the EDL lot who turned up shortly after had been equipped with firearms we would be mourning the loss of a lot more than one innocent life. I'm aware that guns don't kill people, but they certainly make it a lot easier.
if i started telling them that they should change their culture to one more like mine, THEN they would be justified in feeling offended.
i feel safe. nobody i know has ever been threatened with a gun in the uk.0 -
I have my gun permit.
I'm in Chicagoland. I believe the gangbangers around here would think twice before shooting if they knew there was a strong possibility they'd get shot back at. People think conceal and carry will make everyone go buckwild and there'll be Wild, Wild West shootouts everywhere. No, I think it will make people with the stupidest of brains even more cautious about who they try to shoot (at or start trouble with).
I don't plan on coming back to this debate, so if you disagree, I'm fine with it. That was just my two cents. PEACE! :glasses:
Gangbangers don't think once, I doubt they would think twice.
They don't care about themsleves or anyone else.
They're animals with no reasoning abilities.0 -
Really? Because I'm not too concerned with thugs that shoot each other (I know innocent victims to get hit sometimes but it is rare) But I have heard of PLENTY of mass murders where legal registered weapons were used, or even accidental shootings where the "responsible" gun own left their loaded weapon within arms reach of a 4 year old.....
ETA most home invasions the occupants never have the chance to get their gun out of the locked gun case, then loaded, and ready to be shot. Most trained individuals cannot easily hit a moving target, so even if someone had been armed during the mass shootings the outcome would not have been much different, not to mention once the police show up and realize you have multiple people with weapons drawn...well...you are just asking for trouble at that point.
Statistics have proven my children are much safer in my home without a gun than they are with one.
Thugs never rob innocent victims? Give an example of where a legally registered weapon was used for a mass murder by the person that had it registered please. Also, "responsible gun owners" don't leave their guns where kids can get to them, so we can throw that one right out the window.
What kind of idiot stores an unloaded gun for protection? No one I know. I can have my gun in my hand and ready to shoot in 3 seconds from where I sleep. I am glad you can speculate how someone being armed at a mass shooting would have ended, you should start a psychic hotline. So you are telling me that the mass murderer has no problems hitting his moving targets but a trained citizen that was armed wouldn't have been able to hit a moving target? By the time the police get there the shooting will likely be over so if you are the one who is legal it's easy to just put your gun down and explain the situation.
I would love to see that statistic also. 1 post shows you are completely uneducated about firearms.0 -
i'm sure a lot of pro-gun americans will be offended by this and take it as a slight on their culture, but i don't feel like my culture needs to become more like theirs. i would prefer if it didn't.
if i started telling them that they should change their culture to one more like mine, THEN they would be justified in feeling offended.
i feel safe. nobody i know has ever been threatened with a gun in the uk.
All of this! It also sits uncomfortably that someone in the US who doesn't really have a clue has used this tragedy to discuss carrying concealed weapons. Keep it to yourselves0 -
Well, maybe you would have:as a brit, i like our gun laws exactly how they are.
one man was killed, no bystanders were injured, the cops caught the perps.
i'm not sure how a firefight with citizens in the middle of the street could have improved the outcome.
One injured, scared, but ALIVE Soldier
multiple dead or injured assailants
shaken up bystanders.
By the way, why were so many people just standing around watching?0
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