I don't eat clean. I won't eat clean. It's a stupid concept.

I consider it clean if it is organic and free from ingredients I can't pronounce. Everyone has their own definition of "clean eating". But it doesn't stop me from eating pizza, chips, cookies, and ice cream or a burger - I just don't go to Burger King and get their version because it would literally make me sick. I don't dog the next person that does go get a Whopper meal though, if that's what they want to eat, then eat it.

Some people want to rebel so hard against eating healthy they take it to the extreme and brag about eating fast food. Who cares? If it works for you why trash what other people enjoy doing? Different things obviously work for different people.

SO, the higher your education level, the more you can eat? I took a lot of organic chemistry classes, and can pronounce everythign in the ingredients list on most labels. I can eat anything and it is clean?

OP, did a clean eater kill your family or something? I really don't see a lot of clean eaters (whatever that definition may be) starting threads/directly confronting those who eat whatever, but I do see a lot of the other way around.

yes, as a matter of fact they did.

My condolences.

A raptor offering condolences to someone's family getting eaten? What is the world coming to.

Well, as a clean eating raptor, I have a lot of meals to apologize for and to.

Did you eat littlefoot?

OP, did a clean eater kill your family or something? I really don't see a lot of clean eaters (whatever that definition may be) starting threads/directly confronting those who eat whatever, but I do see a lot of the other way around.

yes, as a matter of fact they did.

My condolences.

A raptor offering condolences to someone's family getting eaten? What is the world coming to.

Well, as a clean eating raptor, I have a lot of meals to apologize for and to.

Did you eat littlefoot?

that would be a negatory.

Raptors lived in the Cretateous whereas Little foot's species went extinct long before that...

OP, did a clean eater kill your family or something? I really don't see a lot of clean eaters (whatever that definition may be) starting threads/directly confronting those who eat whatever, but I do see a lot of the other way around.

yes, as a matter of fact they did.

My condolences.

A raptor offering condolences to someone's family getting eaten? What is the world coming to.

Well, as a clean eating raptor, I have a lot of meals to apologize for and to.

Did you eat littlefoot?

that would be a negatory.

Raptors lived in the Cretateous whereas Little foot's species went extinct long before that...

Actually, the brontosaurus never even existed, Sad day.

exerise is key, you can eat what you like, just exersise!!!

If I forced myself to eat clean, I would be a binger.

I need to be allowed to drink my coffee with cream and sugar, and have pizza, and the occasional bowl of ice cream. If I need to grab a quick burger - I need the freedom to do that.

I rarely even fit my macros - the only thing I try to do is stick within my daily calorie limit and get my required protein.


When I force myself to eat "properly" I become a miserable cranky person who is much more inclined to eat an entire bag of doritos with salsa and sour cream.

When I allow myself to have some treats, I am much happier, and it works better for me.


If you are a clean eater, and happy - great job! But I don't feel it is the only way to achieve success.


p.s. I feel the need to prove visually that this method works for me, so here is a recent progress pic:

You are my hero!!! And I agree with everything you have said here. Of course you need to eat properly most of the time, for your health and for your fitness goals. However, I am the same way!! If I am not "allowed" to eat certain foods, guess what foods I end up chowing on late at night when no one is looking!! When I allow myself to eat ONE serving of cookies, ONE serving of Icecream, it makes me such a happier person. Many times, I choose the yogurt instead of the icecream, but just knowing that I can is a relief and helps me in the long run. I am no where near the body you have achieved girl, but I am getting there!! And I have lost 20 lbs by eating what I want and exercising regularly. Nothing against the "clean eaters", it is just not for me!

If I forced myself to eat clean, I would be a binger.

I need to be allowed to drink my coffee with cream and sugar, and have pizza, and the occasional bowl of ice cream. If I need to grab a quick burger - I need the freedom to do that.

I rarely even fit my macros - the only thing I try to do is stick within my daily calorie limit and get my required protein.


When I force myself to eat "properly" I become a miserable cranky person who is much more inclined to eat an entire bag of doritos with salsa and sour cream.

When I allow myself to have some treats, I am much happier, and it works better for me.


If you are a clean eater, and happy - great job! But I don't feel it is the only way to achieve success.


p.s. I feel the need to prove visually that this method works for me, so here is a recent progress pic:

You are my hero!!! And I agree with everything you have said here. Of course you need to eat properly most of the time, for your health and for your fitness goals. However, I am the same way!! If I am not "allowed" to eat certain foods, guess what foods I end up chowing on late at night when no one is looking!! When I allow myself to eat ONE serving of cookies, ONE serving of Icecream, it makes me such a happier person. Many times, I choose the yogurt instead of the icecream, but just knowing that I can is a relief and helps me in the long run. I am no where near the body you have achieved girl, but I am getting there!! And I have lost 20 lbs by eating what I want and exercising regularly. Nothing against the "clean eaters", it is just not for me!

thank you so much for the kind words - I agree wholeheartedly with you!

This isn't about that fast loss and perfect body. Go slow, make adjustments, and you'll find yourself living a life that is manageable, instead of being in shock and trying to stick to this crazy plan.

If your gonna post a gif of Homey Da Clown use the animated one!!




I think thats bleached / processed white flour in there. Totally dirty. Baaaaaaaad Homie

I don't even care about the post I just really love this gif hahaha

MyFitnessPal - where dogmatists believe that eating junk food in moderation will always be incontrovertibly better than making generally better, consistent, natural food choices.

So eating unhealthy food in moderation is worse than eating healthy food...in moderation?

non sequitur

That's exactly what the poster was saying about the post that is quoted. It is a non sequitur. That's where that question mark comes into play.

Personally, I just try to eat more of this...



and less of this...



While still occasionally having something like this...



or this...



Because I do a lot of this...



and this...



And much less of this than I used to...

^^ This.

This is probably the clearest argument on this site that I've seen. It even has the visual aids for people who would otherwise argue that IIFYM or flexible dieting (or for me, "watching what I eat") actually means eating a cheeseburger and french fries and washing it all down with a shake 3 times a day.

Well done. :drinker:

The thing about this website is that day in and day out, people post threads about how GMOs are going to kill us, about how Wheat Belly is going to make us all sick, how me eating something from McDonald's means I don't care about my health. THAT is nonsense, and that is what is frustrating to OP and a whole lot of others.

I have gotten many PMs from people who have admonished me about making comments in clean eating threads because I had cancer once upon a time. I've had people tell me "shame on you" for eating some ice cream here and there and enjoying a Double Whopper that fit perfectly into my macros. I can't say I've ever sent a PM to a clean eater telling them they're going to go postal and binge on 300 chicken nuggets or eat an entire box of Entenmann's chocolate coated donuts some day. But it doesn't stop people from feeling like they have the right to PM me about my eating habits (which are pretty close to impeccable) just because they disagreed with something I wrote in a thread.

I'd put my diet up against anyone's in a heart beat. Do I buy organic? No way. Do I eat at Burger King? Sure do. Do I do it all the time? Of course not. Point is, I'm not going to deprive myself of anything. I just figure out a way to balance a major splurge with a cilantro salad or something.

I would love it if someone could explain to me why there are substances put into our processed foods in the USA that are banned in Europe, and why it is okay with those of you who choose to eat it?

There are many reasons for banning substances that have little to nothing to do with science or health. Politics is enough.

The thing about this website is that day in and day out, people post threads about how GMOs are going to kill us, about how Wheat Belly is going to make us all sick, how me eating something from McDonald's means I don't care about my health. THAT is nonsense, and that is what is frustrating to OP and a whole lot of others.

I have gotten many PMs from people who have admonished me about making comments in clean eating threads because I had cancer once upon a time. I've had people tell me "shame on you" for eating some ice cream here and there and enjoying a Double Whopper that fit perfectly into my macros. I can't say I've ever sent a PM to a clean eater telling them they're going to go postal and binge on 300 chicken nuggets or eat an entire box of Entenmann's chocolate coated donuts some day. But it doesn't stop people from feeling like they have the right to PM me about my eating habits (which are pretty close to impeccable) just because they disagreed with something I wrote in a thread.

I'd put my diet up against anyone's in a heart beat. Do I buy organic? No way. Do I eat at Burger King? Sure do. Do I do it all the time? Of course not. Point is, I'm not going to deprive myself of anything. I just figure out a way to balance a major splurge with a cilantro salad or something.

^^THIS is one of the best comments in this WHOLE thread. Along with Beachiron & Mirey...GREAT people who know what they're talking about!!! :drinker:

The thing about this website is that day in and day out, people post threads about how GMOs are going to kill us, about how Wheat Belly is going to make us all sick, how me eating something from McDonald's means I don't care about my health. THAT is nonsense, and that is what is frustrating to OP and a whole lot of others.

I have gotten many PMs from people who have admonished me about making comments in clean eating threads because I had cancer once upon a time. I've had people tell me "shame on you" for eating some ice cream here and there and enjoying a Double Whopper that fit perfectly into my macros. I can't say I've ever sent a PM to a clean eater telling them they're going to go postal and binge on 300 chicken nuggets or eat an entire box of Entenmann's chocolate coated donuts some day. But it doesn't stop people from feeling like they have the right to PM me about my eating habits (which are pretty close to impeccable) just because they disagreed with something I wrote in a thread.

I'd put my diet up against anyone's in a heart beat. Do I buy organic? No way. Do I eat at Burger King? Sure do. Do I do it all the time? Of course not. Point is, I'm not going to deprive myself of anything. I just figure out a way to balance a major splurge with a cilantro salad or something.

And likewise, I have had people wave pizza pics in my face or scorn someone in the threads who said that they were trying to resist a piece of cake at the office. It goes both ways. I don't mind people calling out "clean eaters" if they are being jerks... but own up to the IIFYMers being jerks as well.