Zimmerman vs. Martin
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Feel bad the guy gained so much weight from stress0
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Both of these miscreants were out looking for trouble. Now one is dead and the other is on trial. I could care less what the outcome is. My only concern is that I am travelling to Orlando on Sunday, for two weeks, and I hope it doesn't turn into a riot if he is found innocent.
I have to kindly disagree. Trayvon had just come from the store purchasing skittles & tea. He was walking back to his father's house, and the rest was history...
Yea, he was probably done stealing jewelry for the night. He did get caught with stolen jewelry BTW.0 -
God I hate this world.
Then change it.0 -
Why do you hope he is found guilty?
Is it because the news shows Martin as a 10 year old kid in all his pics? Martin was a thug, drug dealer, "gangster", etc..
Do I think Zimmerman is an idiot want to be cop? Yes. But he will never get changed with murder 2.
All of Zimmerman's story is lining up as well. He's going to walk and there will be a huge race war over nothing.
God I hate this world.
Its amazing that you were so close to Martin that you know exactly that he was a thug, drug dealer and "gangster". Were you one of his customers? If George Zimmerman have nothing to hide, let him take the stand and tell all the world what actually took place. Why do we need to have his evidence animated, ask yourself that question, if that was one of your relatives, would you be happy to have an animated account of what actually took place, whilst the killer sits a couple of feet away. The big elephant in the room is that if Zimmerman had followed instructions, Martin would have been alive today. The whole case is flawed from the start, Zimmerman knows what he did, and even if he walks, he have to live with his conscience. I hope he realize that life is a circle, something we as human beings fail to acknowledge.
Police reports aren't hard to read.0 -
I'm doing my best bro.
God I hate this world.
Then change it.0 -
I'm sure several people have echoed my thoughts so I'll just say:
I hope Zimmerman walks.
me2
& he will.
I'm just worried about what will happen to him...and the riots that are will be started when he is found not guilty.0 -
Third, this was a 6', 17 year old young man. Martin was hardly a 'child'. He was the one who came at Zimmerman first. He was beating the crap out of Zimmerman, the police photos and medical documents prove that.
Fourth, sorry but it was self-defense.
Size isn't the issue. Age is. Seventeen is a child. How mature were you at that age? I am the mother of an 18-year-old college student. I know her friends. They are still children.
As for self-defense/stand your ground, considering that Zimmerman was following Trayvon, couldn't the prosecution make a case that TRAYVON was standing his ground? Zimmerman is responsible by his actions for what happened. Now someone is dead. Had he at the very least remained in his vehicle, this would not have happened.
No because you can't stand your ground against someone walking behind you. Someone walking isn't a threat to your life. Beating your head into the ground is. You should really read up on laws.0 -
These are the "general" effects of THC, but drugs can effect different people in different ways. Why do you think we get the ridiculous lists of "POSSIBLE" side effects every time a new drug comes out? If ONE person experienced it, it's got to be listed. THC likely didn't make him aggressive, but is it possible that it did? Sure.I think it's Zimmerman.
And what frustrates me is that EVERY night the argument shifts over to place the blame on Martin, Zimmerman, Martin, Zimmerman, Martin, etc.... SO frustrating!
I saw a few nights ago, that Martin was a regular THC user- and the forensics expert said that the body gets used to the effect of it, so it should not have caused any significant mental/physical change in Martin, which I thought was interesting. After googling THC and its effects, I read that it has a rather sedative effect on the human body, and that in fact, even if he DID consume high amounts of it, it would not make him aggressive, in any way.
This case is pretty interesting, but I am just frustrated by how long it's taking to solve! I think that one piece of huge evidence (though not exactly tangible) that should go against Zimmerman is that he gained weight so rapidly after the case opened- that he has some sort of guilty feelings about this whole ordeal in which he was involved. Also, his testimonies have changed so much, which is normal. But I still think he's guilty.
Nice to hear some news on these threads actually! Something different
And, as far as his having gained weight, I find it humorous that you attribute that to guilt feelings. I would attribute it more to not getting regular exercise and eating the crappy foods being fed him while incarcerated. Not EVERYONE eats their emotions anyway. Just because SOME people do, doesn't mean it applies to everyone.0 -
17 years old is not a "kid". That's one of the fundamentals of this case. The news media showed pictures of Trayvon years younger than he was for weeks after this first happened, then cast the story in the worst possible light for Zimmerman.
Zimmerman shouldn't have been following him? That's what you do when you are a neighborhood watch. Zimmerman shouldn't be carrying a gun in public, shouldn't want to be a cop? Since when? Zimmerman is an idiot? Wait until the national news media smells a story reporting every sordid detail of YOUR life. The absolute worst thing he did was lie about bond money. Meanwhile, the news media and our entire complicit society lied about the nature of his supposed victim in order to ruin his life, including the prosecution itself. It is nonsense to cast Zimmerman as the uniquely unintelligent or dishonest actor in this situation.
Zimmerman was framed by a media in the process of demonizing gun ownership and efforts at self policing and self defense. He did no worse, and in fact significantly better, than many paid professional police often do when confronted with similar circumstances. He has the scars to attest to the fact HE was attacked. Trayvon was already a convicted criminal.
The whole media circus that created this as a talking point is outright evil. I cannot believe the extent to which it has been able to basically ruin the life of a man who by all accounts was just deeply interested in a career in law enforcement, and had even performed quite well in the classroom in preparation for it.
When it is crime for a so-called "convicted criminal" as you put it to walk down the street.
It's not, and had he kept walking down the street he would be alive. Instead, he chose to beat someone's head into the ground. That proved to be a mistake.0 -
The amount of people not knowing how to use the "quote" feature is driving me insane.
but yet come on, this entire thread is insanity....
so just enjoy it for what its worth.
Want some popcorn?0 -
god i hate living in orlando....
I think Zimmerman is an idiot for what he did.... but does he deserver murder 2.?... no....
^This.0 -
I'm sure several people have echoed my thoughts so I'll just say:
I hope Zimmerman walks.
me2
& he will.
I'm just worried about what will happen to him...and the riots that are will be started when he is found not guilty.
Zimmerman's attorney stated two nights ago while interviewing that his client will never be safe. He also stated that he will never live a normal life. He will fall off the face of the earth just like Casey.0 -
Feel bad the guy gained so much weight from stress
dude, right? like almost 100 pounds in the first year!0 -
Never mind.0
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Only if I can enjoy the popcorn in my ninja turtle underwear.The amount of people not knowing how to use the "quote" feature is driving me insane.
but yet come on, this entire thread is insanity....
so just enjoy it for what its worth.
Want some popcorn?0 -
I'm sure several people have echoed my thoughts so I'll just say:
I hope Zimmerman walks.
me2
& he will.
I'm just worried about what will happen to him...and the riots that are will be started when he is found not guilty.
Zimmerman's attorney stated two nights ago while interviewing that his client will never be safe. He also stated that he will never live a normal life. He will fall off the face of the earth just like Casey.
& it's sad that he has to do that.0 -
From my understanding, a young man was walking through a gated community, talking on the phone, while he made his way back to his place after buying snacks at a convenience store.
And some dude, under the guise of being part of a neighborhood watch, accosted him. AFTER the police told him not to.
Now, if some son of a b approached me, and I told him to back off, and he didn't and we got into a scuffle where I ended up getting shot?
Who is guilty? What, if someone approaches me in a confrontational way, I'm not supposed to defend myself?
I don't care if Trayvon is percieved as a child or a thug. He was minding his own business and Zimmerman instigated. Had Zimmerman done what the police TOLD him to do, Trayvon would have kept on walking and none of this would have happened.
This is my take on it. And it doesn't matter to me that Trayvon got in trouble at school or smoked pot. He is 17. Lots of kids behave this way and grow up to be 100% awesome contributing members of society.
Trayvon didn't get the chance to do that because a grown assed man approached him and started a fight. Unreal.
the police never talked to him before it happened. A dispatcher is NOT the police0 -
Thise are the "general" effects of THC, but drugs can effect different people in different ways. Why do you think we get the ridiculous lists of "POSSIBLE" side effects every time a new drug comes out. If ONE person experienced it, it's got to be listed. THC likely didn't make him aggressive, but is it possible that it did? Sure.I think it's Zimmerman.
And what frustrates me is that EVERY night the argument shifts over to place the blame on Martin, Zimmerman, Martin, Zimmerman, Martin, etc.... SO frustrating!
I saw a few nights ago, that Martin was a regular THC user- and the forensics expert said that the body gets used to the effect of it, so it should not have caused any significant mental/physical change in Martin, which I thought was interesting. After googling THC and its effects, I read that it has a rather sedative effect on the human body, and that in fact, even if he DID consume high amounts of it, it would not make him aggressive, in any way.
This case is pretty interesting, but I am just frustrated by how long it's taking to solve! I think that one piece of huge evidence (though not exactly tangible) that should go against Zimmerman is that he gained weight so rapidly after the case opened- that he has some sort of guilty feelings about this whole ordeal in which he was involved. Also, his testimonies have changed so much, which is normal. But I still think he's guilty.
Nice to hear some news on these threads actually! Something different
And, as far as his having gained weight, I find it humorous that you attribute that to guilt feelings. I would attribute it more to not getting regular exercise and eating the crappy foods being fed him while incarcerated. Not EVERYONE eats their emotions anyway. Just because SOME people do, doesn't mean it applies to everyone.
Yes of course; side effects are different for everyone. But I still do not think that it made Trayvon aggressive. And I believe the news had mentioned the two having encounters before this last one, which indicates there was a conflict of interest before, as well
And as for the incarceration 'diet', I did NOT in any way insinuate that he was eating away his emotions. Like I said, it's a piece of intangible evidence, but his demeanor and his extreme weight gain, really strengthened my belief that he's guilty. And also, there are SO many incarcerated people who are in reasonably good health- Zimmerman *somehow* wasn't one of them? If he wasn't guilty, then what made him so nervous and fidgety in the courtroom? Just his demeanor is enough to make me squirm.0 -
i feel bad for martins mom because parents should never bury their children
i feel bad for zimmerman because in his mind he was doing what he thought was for the greater good0 -
I honestly haven't even been following any of this.
Why?
Because I really and truly couldn't care less.
There are more important things for me to worry about and whether or not some guy is going to go to jail for killing some punk is really, really way far down on that list.0 -
Riots between who?I'm sure several people have echoed my thoughts so I'll just say:
I hope Zimmerman walks.
me2
& he will.
I'm just worried about what will happen to him...and the riots that are will be started when he is found not guilty.0 -
Firstly, it's The State of Florida vs. Zimmerman.
Second, he was legally within his rights to carry his weapon. He had all permits and a legal purchase.
Third, this was a 6', 17 year old young man. Martin was hardly a 'child'. He was the one who came at Zimmerman first. He was beating the crap out of Zimmerman, the police photos and medical documents prove that.
Fourth, sorry but it was self-defense.
Fifth, Second Degree Murder is over-charging Zimmerman. The State will never get that, and if they do, then there's something rotten in Denmark.
Sixth, the Judge should be disbarred for here conduct and biased.
Seventh, who really cares at this point. There's other things to get pissed about.
Obviously you really cared because your list says it all. Self-defense for whom, Martin had every right to be walking down the street, like every body else. When it is a crime in this country to walk in any neighborhood. If he was breaking into someone's house, I would have no problem with what happened, but he was walking and Zimmerman was told to stand down.
Walking down the street doesn't give him the right to attack someone. He could have talked to Zim, he chose to attack him. Darwin.0 -
Thise are the "general" effects of THC, but drugs can effect different people in different ways. Why do you think we get the ridiculous lists of "POSSIBLE" side effects every time a new drug comes out. If ONE person experienced it, it's got to be listed. THC likely didn't make him aggressive, but is it possible that it did? Sure.I think it's Zimmerman.
And what frustrates me is that EVERY night the argument shifts over to place the blame on Martin, Zimmerman, Martin, Zimmerman, Martin, etc.... SO frustrating!
I saw a few nights ago, that Martin was a regular THC user- and the forensics expert said that the body gets used to the effect of it, so it should not have caused any significant mental/physical change in Martin, which I thought was interesting. After googling THC and its effects, I read that it has a rather sedative effect on the human body, and that in fact, even if he DID consume high amounts of it, it would not make him aggressive, in any way.
This case is pretty interesting, but I am just frustrated by how long it's taking to solve! I think that one piece of huge evidence (though not exactly tangible) that should go against Zimmerman is that he gained weight so rapidly after the case opened- that he has some sort of guilty feelings about this whole ordeal in which he was involved. Also, his testimonies have changed so much, which is normal. But I still think he's guilty.
Nice to hear some news on these threads actually! Something different
And, as far as his having gained weight, I find it humorous that you attribute that to guilt feelings. I would attribute it more to not getting regular exercise and eating the crappy foods being fed him while incarcerated. Not EVERYONE eats their emotions anyway. Just because SOME people do, doesn't mean it applies to everyone.
Yes of course; side effects are different for everyone. But I still do not think that it made Trayvon aggressive. And I believe the news had mentioned the two having encounters before this last one, which indicates there was a conflict of interest before, as well
And as for the incarceration 'diet', I did NOT in any way insinuate that he was eating away his emotions. Like I said, it's a piece of intangible evidence, but his demeanor and his extreme weight gain, really strengthened my belief that he's guilty. And also, there are SO many incarcerated people who are in reasonably good health- Zimmerman *somehow* wasn't one of them? If he wasn't guilty, then what made him so nervous and fidgety in the courtroom? Just his demeanor is enough to make me squirm.
I'm sure if you were on trial for murder you wouldn't be "nervous" or "fidgety".0 -
Why do you hope he is found guilty?
Is it because the news shows Martin as a 10 year old kid in all his pics? Martin was a thug, drug dealer, "gangster", etc..
Do I think Zimmerman is an idiot want to be cop? Yes. But he will never get changed with murder 2.
All of Zimmerman's story is lining up as well. He's going to walk and there will be a huge race war over nothing.
God I hate this world.
Its amazing that you were so close to Martin that you know exactly that he was a thug, drug dealer and "gangster". Were you one of his customers? If George Zimmerman have nothing to hide, let him take the stand and tell all the world what actually took place. Why do we need to have his evidence animated, ask yourself that question, if that was one of your relatives, would you be happy to have an animated account of what actually took place, whilst the killer sits a couple of feet away. The big elephant in the room is that if Zimmerman had followed instructions, Martin would have been alive today. The whole case is flawed from the start, Zimmerman knows what he did, and even if he walks, he have to live with his conscience. I hope he realize that life is a circle, something we as human beings fail to acknowledge.
The police videoed Zimmerman re-enacting the incident and answering the investigator's questions. This was a lengthy video.
The evidence supports Zimmerman's story.
Zimmerman was not ordered to "stand down" or "cease and desist". The dispatcher basically stated, "oh we dont need you to do that" or something to the effect. There is a difference between a suggestion and an order. Regardless, Zimmerman still had the right to walk and follow anyone.
When Travon eluded Zimmerman he should have went home, instead he chose to confront and that is what got him killed.
With crime as it is we need an active community, we need to get our neighbor's back. I have seen suspicious activities and have assisted the police very similar to what Zimmerman did, and I received praise. Go figure.
That a load of bull crap. The HOA testified that they do not recommend following anyone. Commonsense obviously alluded Zimmerman, and that costs Martin his life. The same way you obviously thinks that Martin should have gone home when he alluded Zimmerman, I guess your brain cannot assume the same thing that Zimmerman should have listened to the dispatcher advising not to follow the "suspect" as he called Martin to the police.
If Zimmerman had used the little brains that he was born with, this would have been a different outcome. Keep on doing what you are doing to continue receiving the praise from the police, because one of these days those same praises will not be able to save you, not everyone will be like Martin, let's hope the police do not get to you too late - go figure.
People like you are the reason we cannot have civil discussions. You lack a grasp of the facts and so you throw ad hominem attacks.0 -
Riots between who?I'm sure several people have echoed my thoughts so I'll just say:
I hope Zimmerman walks.
me2
& he will.
I'm just worried about what will happen to him...and the riots that are will be started when he is found not guilty.
This has been a racial issue since day 1. I'll let you figure out what will most likely happen is Zimmerman is found guilty.0 -
I'm sure several people have echoed my thoughts so I'll just say:
I hope Zimmerman walks.
me2
& he will.
I'm just worried about what will happen to him...and the riots that are will be started when he is found not guilty.
I hope he don't.0 -
I honestly haven't even been following any of this.
Why?
Because I really and truly couldn't care less.
There are more important things for me to worry about and whether or not some guy is going to go to jail for killing some punk is really, really way far down on that list.
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you! 0 -
From my understanding, a young man was walking through a gated community, talking on the phone, while he made his way back to his place after buying snacks at a convenience store.
And some dude, under the guise of being part of a neighborhood watch, accosted him. AFTER the police told him not to.
Now, if some son of a b approached me, and I told him to back off, and he didn't and we got into a scuffle where I ended up getting shot?
Who is guilty? What, if someone approaches me in a confrontational way, I'm not supposed to defend myself?
I don't care if Trayvon is percieved as a child or a thug. He was minding his own business and Zimmerman instigated. Had Zimmerman done what the police TOLD him to do, Trayvon would have kept on walking and none of this would have happened.
This is my take on it. And it doesn't matter to me that Trayvon got in trouble at school or smoked pot. He is 17. Lots of kids behave this way and grow up to be 100% awesome contributing members of society.
Trayvon didn't get the chance to do that because a grown assed man approached him and started a fight. Unreal.
Amen!0 -
What saddens me is most people think that Zimmerman rolled up on some little black kid at night in the rain, jumped out of his car and gunned down Martin in cold blood... just to get his Skittles.
As a Deputy recently told me (after some college kid tried to run me down with his car). These days you have no idea if someone is carrying a weapon. Be smart and avoid confrontations... call the police.0 -
Even if he was a thug, drug dealer etc... Zimmerman had no right to play COP!!! Get a Life!!!!Why do you hope he is found guilty?
Is it because the news shows Martin as a 10 year old kid in all his pics? Martin was a thug, drug dealer, "gangster", etc..
Do I think Zimmerman is an idiot want to be cop? Yes. But he will never get changed with murder 2.
All of Zimmerman's story is lining up as well. He's going to walk and there will be a huge race war over nothing.
God I hate this world.
Actually he did, he was neighborhood watch over that neighborhood. Martin had no right to attack him.0
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