Why are people so negative regarding clean eating?

Really, people? WHO CARES? If you don't think clean eating is necessary...DON'T DO IT. If you do think its necessary, GO FOR IT!! WHO CARES?! Why are people arguing about this?

If you don't think this thread is necessary, don't read it.

Really, people? WHO CARES? If you don't think clean eating is necessary...DON'T DO IT. If you do think its necessary, GO FOR IT!! WHO CARES?! Why are people arguing about this?

If you don't think this thread is necessary, don't read it.

That's not hypocritical at all.

Really, people? WHO CARES? If you don't think clean eating is necessary...DON'T DO IT. If you do think its necessary, GO FOR IT!! WHO CARES?! Why are people arguing about this?

If you don't think this thread is necessary, don't read it.

That's not hypocritical at all.

Ummm...

Why the hell is everyone on here so eager to argue? My one and only point was that it's silly to argue over the eating habits of others. I stand by what I said and I refuse to argue with some random person on the internet that I don't even know. Have a nice day and have fun eating whatever you choose to eat!

Once our nutrient needs are met, we don’t get extra credit for eating more nutritious food!

Thanks Sara, that's one of my favorites of all time.

Whelp, that's kind of Just Your Opinion, Some others don't agree. What you chose to use your extra calories on is your business, but if someone else makes a difference choice why is there a need to chastise them for it. Cant you eat your ice cream and they have some slices of watermelon without it turning into a IIFYM vs Clean Eaters debate. Maybe for them they do get extra credit because they are avoiding additives or want to stick to foods grown by mother nature. That is their philosophy and they are entitled to it. Just like an IIFYMer doesn't get kudos because they met their nutrients needs and decided they wanted to use the rest on some Mickey D's. Do what works for you. There's no reason to troll for the words "clean" just to cause tension and arguments. You don't need to preach your "facts and science" to every member who uses the word, or follows a different philosophy than yours.

Does this imply once our nutritional needs are met, we can go eat a half gallon of ice cream with out negative effects on our biochemistry(I am talking about lethargic or ill feeling)?

My thoughts exactly. Let me just say this, I try my best to avoid fast food at all costs because once I stopped eating it and then tried to have some, I felt sick to my stomach. My body completely rejected it. When something does that it may not necessarily be that great for you. I personally dont believe that just because I met my macros I can go eat whatever else I want. If that's your philosophy not a problem with me, but don't tell me that all your vast scientific evidence states otherwise. Whether you can eat certain foods and still lose weight is one thing. Whether its actually good for your body is another.

cue argument
"Fast food has nutrition do you even know what healthy is"
"stop demonizing food"
" there is no such thing as Good For You"
"as long as you meet your macro's blah blah blah"
"

I suggest you read the whole quote.

I was giving a well reasoned viewpoint from a highly educated person in the industry. No trolling was involved. He also lays out the logic, which you seem to have missed.

sorry no missed logic here, both your quotes were OPINIONS and your "highly educated person in the industry" is also sharing his OPINION

Feel free to QFT hahahaha ok but seriously

most IIFYMer actually eat clean 80-90% of the time so in your own words stop "demonizing" the term. Let by gones be by gones. Whether you like it or not "Clean Eating" is a philosophy that exists just like your IIFYM is. There are many reasons besides just weight loss as the person stated above. There's nothing wrong with it and I see more people calling Clean Eating wrong, than I see members attacking IIFYMer for having some ice cream. Macro's aren't the end all be all in my opinion but it has valid points, Clean Eating isn't the end all be all, but it has some great points...is it so hard to admit that?

Oh dear!

You really did not understand the quote (it was only one from me btw) that I posted at all if that is your reaction. I posted it not for your 'approval' as frankly I do not care. I posted it as a reasoned explanation from someone who is very well versed in nutition for people who may be interested.

ETA: I am still a bit baffled as to how posting that quote is trolling. Methinks you just like to insult people who have a different viewpoint. That could be considered trolling you know!

So sara was this a complement? "He also lays out the logic, which you seem to have missed." Are you implying she has no logic and she's dumb and an idiot? It's an insulting comment what you have said. Just so you're aware.

You are grasping in your very ironic attempt at White Knighting and attempt stir things up (which is pretty par for the course really).

I just pointing out might be saying things and aren't aware of the negative effects it has on people. Just to pick better wording, but I do give you props on your attempt at reverse psychology.I am taken sara... thanks Maybe if things don't go well, maybe our paths might cross and we can have a romantic encounter.

Really, people? WHO CARES? If you don't think clean eating is necessary...DON'T DO IT. If you do think its necessary, GO FOR IT!! WHO CARES?! Why are people arguing about this?

If you don't think this thread is necessary, don't read it.

That's not hypocritical at all.

Ummm...

Why the hell is everyone on here so eager to argue? My one and only point was that it's silly to argue over the eating habits of others. I stand by what I said and I refuse to argue with some random person on the internet that I don't even know. Have a nice day and have fun eating whatever you choose to eat!

It's not an argument, it's just humorous that you took the time to come in and type out a long "who cares." I'm not arguing, I'm laughing. Silly post is silly.

I just pointing out might be saying things and aren't aware of the negative effects it has on people. Just to pick better wording, but I do give you props on your attempt at reverse psychology.I am taken sara... thanks Maybe if things don't go well, maybe our paths might cross and we can have a romantic encounter.

Once our nutrient needs are met, we don’t get extra credit for eating more nutritious food!

Thanks Sara, that's one of my favorites of all time.

Whelp, that's kind of Just Your Opinion, Some others don't agree. What you chose to use your extra calories on is your business, but if someone else makes a difference choice why is there a need to chastise them for it. Cant you eat your ice cream and they have some slices of watermelon without it turning into a IIFYM vs Clean Eaters debate. Maybe for them they do get extra credit because they are avoiding additives or want to stick to foods grown by mother nature. That is their philosophy and they are entitled to it. Just like an IIFYMer doesn't get kudos because they met their nutrients needs and decided they wanted to use the rest on some Mickey D's. Do what works for you. There's no reason to troll for the words "clean" just to cause tension and arguments. You don't need to preach your "facts and science" to every member who uses the word, or follows a different philosophy than yours.

Does this imply once our nutritional needs are met, we can go eat a half gallon of ice cream with out negative effects on our biochemistry(I am talking about lethargic or ill feeling)?

My thoughts exactly. Let me just say this, I try my best to avoid fast food at all costs because once I stopped eating it and then tried to have some, I felt sick to my stomach. My body completely rejected it. When something does that it may not necessarily be that great for you. I personally dont believe that just because I met my macros I can go eat whatever else I want. If that's your philosophy not a problem with me, but don't tell me that all your vast scientific evidence states otherwise. Whether you can eat certain foods and still lose weight is one thing. Whether its actually good for your body is another.

cue argument
"Fast food has nutrition do you even know what healthy is"
"stop demonizing food"
" there is no such thing as Good For You"
"as long as you meet your macro's blah blah blah"
"

I suggest you read the whole quote.

I was giving a well reasoned viewpoint from a highly educated person in the industry. No trolling was involved. He also lays out the logic, which you seem to have missed.

sorry no missed logic here, both your quotes were OPINIONS and your "highly educated person in the industry" is also sharing his OPINION

Feel free to QFT hahahaha ok but seriously

most IIFYMer actually eat clean 80-90% of the time so in your own words stop "demonizing" the term. Let by gones be by gones. Whether you like it or not "Clean Eating" is a philosophy that exists just like your IIFYM is. There are many reasons besides just weight loss as the person stated above. There's nothing wrong with it and I see more people calling Clean Eating wrong, than I see members attacking IIFYMer for having some ice cream. Macro's aren't the end all be all in my opinion but it has valid points, Clean Eating isn't the end all be all, but it has some great points...is it so hard to admit that?

Oh dear!

You really did not understand the quote (it was only one from me btw) that I posted at all if that is your reaction. I posted it not for your 'approval' as frankly I do not care. I posted it as a reasoned explanation from someone who is very well versed in nutition for people who may be interested.

ETA: I am still a bit baffled as to how posting that quote is trolling. Methinks you just like to insult people who have a different viewpoint. That could be considered trolling you know!

So sara was this a complement? "He also lays out the logic, which you seem to have missed." Are you implying she has no logic and she's duand an idiot? It's an insulting comment what you have said. Just so you're aware.

I'd call that a valid observation, not an insult.

That's your view on the matter, doesn't mean her,I, others or the mods share the same view. That's not a neutral comment. It's more on the negative side... you didn't even have to address that issue. The same way i didn't address how you didn't type a space between "Methinks" i can imply things out of that if I wanted to.

I am just going to weigh in here on this... I am a clean eater (most of the time...I am not perfect) and I have been for many years, long before I joined mfp. My experience here with other clean eaters has been negative, as they (some not all) have been judgemental, condescending, and at times quite rude. So my thought is that perhaps some of the negativity is aimed more at those individuals rather than clean eating itself. Furthermore, clean eating has so many different definitions depending on who you talk to that it has become a bit of a fad term if you will. For me it is eating the way earlier generations did, preparing meals themselves, knowing what went into their food, when cooking was cooking, not science, when preserving meant you were making jam or relish or pickles :-)

I subscribe to the 'to each their own' philosphy, I know clean eating makes me feel better, and I see it as common sense, but not everyone does. Like anything in life we have to read absorb and determine what info is relevant to us, the same applies to life on mfp.

Wishing everyone their own kind of success...cheers!

I agree with this. I think it's a little bit that the newly converted (to almost anything) can be overbearing. So the newly zealous clean eaters, sometimes, speak as if everyone else is eating trash and it gets annoying.

These threads crack me up because if people could/did see the diaries of those they have designated king/queen of McDonalds/Poptarts/ice cream they would see - for the most part - healthy breakfast, lunch and dinner with a treat or two listed under their snacks. No different from an 80/20 or even 90/10 "clean" eater.

I am just going to weigh in here on this... I am a clean eater (most of the time...I am not perfect) and I have been for many years, long before I joined mfp. My experience here with other clean eaters has been negative, as they (some not all) have been judgemental, condescending, and at times quite rude. So my thought is that perhaps some of the negativity is aimed more at those individuals rather than clean eating itself. Furthermore, clean eating has so many different definitions depending on who you talk to that it has become a bit of a fad term if you will. For me it is eating the way earlier generations did, preparing meals themselves, knowing what went into their food, when cooking was cooking, not science, when preserving meant you were making jam or relish or pickles :-)

I subscribe to the 'to each their own' philosphy, I know clean eating makes me feel better, and I see it as common sense, but not everyone does. Like anything in life we have to read absorb and determine what info is relevant to us, the same applies to life on mfp.

Wishing everyone their own kind of success...cheers!

I agree with this. I think it's a little bit that the newly converted (to almost anything) can be overbearing. So the newly zealous clean eaters, sometimes, speak as if everyone else is eating trash and it gets annoying.

These threads crack me up because if people could/did see the diaries of those they have designated king/queen of McDonalds/Poptarts/ice cream they would see - for the most part - healthy breakfast, lunch and dinner with a treat or two listed under their snacks. No different from an 80/20 or even 90/10 "clean" eater.

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I just pointing out might be saying things and aren't aware of the negative effects it has on people. Just to pick better wording, but I do give you props on your attempt at reverse psychology.I am taken sara... thanks Maybe if things don't go well, maybe our paths might cross and we can have a romantic encounter.

Pu, that is just wrong on so many levels.....even for you.

Once our nutrient needs are met, we don’t get extra credit for eating more nutritious food!

Thanks Sara, that's one of my favorites of all time.

Whelp, that's kind of Just Your Opinion, Some others don't agree. What you chose to use your extra calories on is your business, but if someone else makes a difference choice why is there a need to chastise them for it. Cant you eat your ice cream and they have some slices of watermelon without it turning into a IIFYM vs Clean Eaters debate. Maybe for them they do get extra credit because they are avoiding additives or want to stick to foods grown by mother nature. That is their philosophy and they are entitled to it. Just like an IIFYMer doesn't get kudos because they met their nutrients needs and decided they wanted to use the rest on some Mickey D's. Do what works for you. There's no reason to troll for the words "clean" just to cause tension and arguments. You don't need to preach your "facts and science" to every member who uses the word, or follows a different philosophy than yours.

Does this imply once our nutritional needs are met, we can go eat a half gallon of ice cream with out negative effects on our biochemistry(I am talking about lethargic or ill feeling)?

My thoughts exactly. Let me just say this, I try my best to avoid fast food at all costs because once I stopped eating it and then tried to have some, I felt sick to my stomach. My body completely rejected it. When something does that it may not necessarily be that great for you. I personally dont believe that just because I met my macros I can go eat whatever else I want. If that's your philosophy not a problem with me, but don't tell me that all your vast scientific evidence states otherwise. Whether you can eat certain foods and still lose weight is one thing. Whether its actually good for your body is another.

cue argument
"Fast food has nutrition do you even know what healthy is"
"stop demonizing food"
" there is no such thing as Good For You"
"as long as you meet your macro's blah blah blah"
"

I suggest you read the whole quote.

I was giving a well reasoned viewpoint from a highly educated person in the industry. No trolling was involved. He also lays out the logic, which you seem to have missed.

sorry no missed logic here, both your quotes were OPINIONS and your "highly educated person in the industry" is also sharing his OPINION

Feel free to QFT hahahaha ok but seriously

most IIFYMer actually eat clean 80-90% of the time so in your own words stop "demonizing" the term. Let by gones be by gones. Whether you like it or not "Clean Eating" is a philosophy that exists just like your IIFYM is. There are many reasons besides just weight loss as the person stated above. There's nothing wrong with it and I see more people calling Clean Eating wrong, than I see members attacking IIFYMer for having some ice cream. Macro's aren't the end all be all in my opinion but it has valid points, Clean Eating isn't the end all be all, but it has some great points...is it so hard to admit that?

Oh dear!

You really did not understand the quote (it was only one from me btw) that I posted at all if that is your reaction. I posted it not for your 'approval' as frankly I do not care. I posted it as a reasoned explanation from someone who is very well versed in nutition for people who may be interested.

ETA: I am still a bit baffled as to how posting that quote is trolling. Methinks you just like to insult people who have a different viewpoint. That could be considered trolling you know!

So sara was this a complement? "He also lays out the logic, which you seem to have missed." Are you implying she has no logic and she's duand an idiot? It's an insulting comment what you have said. Just so you're aware.

Saying you have missed the logic neither implies one is without logic or is an idiot. It stands on its own that she missed the logic behind the quote that was posted. Your faulty inference likely stems from bad reading comprehension as evidenced in most of your posts.

Lets look at it from a "logical" point of view.

1. Was the comment constructive? Nope
2. Was it neutral? Possibly. If it was me... I would have just ignored it and not said anything at all. The same way I ignored your comment claiming I have bad reading comprehension based on most of my posts. To draw that conclusion you need to apply logic. Yet as you said yourself you're not in that field. So thanks for your illogical conclusion."DON'T WORRY JUST MAKING AN OBSERVATION." There are other ways to say things then the way they where said(the comment we're discussing). We also don't know the person or how they would take the comment.

3. Was it destructive? the neutral possibilities are above in number "2." so what is left out of 1,2 and 3? I'll let you come to your conclusion.

Alas, PU I must concede, mostly because its my bed time. You have bested me with your sound logic and university acumen for which I am no match. I do give you props for ignoring my comment about your reading comprehension, even though to ignore now seems to mean "to reply directly to". Us normal folk are not privy to your math or science majors, thus logic is a luxury not afforded to the serfs. I wonder what Aristotle's major was at his community college. And of course, if I am not in one of the approved fields of logic, any statement I make regarding one's use of logic is surely illogical. There is no need to even evaluate the statement to determine if there is merit. Just like the scientific method!
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I remember when I was 19 and starting my major. Took some classes (don't worry I did not use logic), gained a little knowledge, thought it made me an authority figure. It was all really....cute.

I want you to understand my point of view. you said your field is finances. okay cool. I am assuming you use the compound interest formula often. I don't know your field, so i am not sure if you use it or not maybe it's use in a specific branch of finances. I am talking about this one "P = C (1 + r/n)^(nt)" Imagine we're on some financial forums. Most people there are just people on line who have no formal education in the subject. They all sit there telling you how to use the formula. you might listen, but you'd realize some might know how to apply, most do not. You explain to them they're using it wrong. Yet they sit there and tell you, "no you're wrong." You explain it to them over and over again, but "nope you're still wrong." According to them. You'd come to the realization they don't know what they're talking about. Most of never even touched a calculator or input values in to the equation. They're just all "talking" with out any education in the field. Metaphor for lab... Yet they know it all. They claim to do everything you do but with no real world experience... Pretty annoying. How about you stick to your field, I stick to mine. That's it. I would take the time to learn from you if i was in to finances, even if I knew about finances it but didn't have your education or experience in it, I'd still try to learn from you, I'd listen to you. Not be closed minded.

I do learn from professionals in the field, even people with PhD's. They give me that look like... "that's a touchy subject... i don't want to discuss it" when i mention the validity of studies and things of that sort. They might say something, then I throw a counter. They say something along the lines of... "okay(squeamishly)... I'll go for that." Yet they don't disagree. There are actual scientists on this site, they do post. I do learn from them the best I can. I do take what they say in to consideration. I can't think of one who has fully disagreed with my points of view. Not 1... Yet all the people who aren't in the field do... pretty ironic.

Hm... Not sure if this is applicable to this thread, but I have been thinking about this "clean eating" topic as of late and I would like to share... so what the heck, I'll share here...

Others have said that there is no such thing as "clean eating," more accurately, there is not a single definition - it seems to be defined by each individual.

There is also a stigma that it is entirely black and white. Either you are eating "clean" or you are not. Personally I don't find that to be realistic.

There are also many reasons to try to "eat clean," the main one being discussed in this thread is nutrition, which is obviously of high debate. But there are other reasons too.

Personally, I would like to "eat clean" for the sake of the environment - essentially decreasing my carbon footprint. I see this "eating clean" thing as more for the environment than myself. Eating local foods, eating foods produced with minimal pesticides and sprayed-chemicals and whatnot, minimal packaging, things labelled as "certified humane" or "organic" or "natural" etc. etc. etc.

I don't buy things with these types of labels all the time, nor do I purchase local foods all the time - I just make the effort to search for them, and if they are available, choose that product over a product that does not say these things.

So I certainly can't tout "I eat clean!" or anything. I just try to make environmentally friendly choices concerning my food purchases when the choices are available. *shrug*