Eating Clean - No Such Thing

Therefore, all I can say, as much as what you're saying seems correct, I tried that with eating whatever as long as I stayed in macros and it didnt work for me..

Amen! It's "those" people that make me feel guilty because I like to eat. You know what, I've been eating things in moderation and I've been losing. There is no point in cutting everything out of your life because you will relapse at some point and I am doing this as part of the rest of my life, not a temporary fix that as soon as I get to my goal that's it, back to the way I was before! I totally agree with your post and thank you for posting this!

Eating clean: Eating food thats natural, minimally processed.
Eating dirty: Eating food lacking vitamins, with high sugar count, added preservatives, mcdonalds, get the picture?

There really is such thing as eating clean and eating dirty. Get over it. :flowerforyou:

Please explain to me, if you can, what's "dirty" about sugar or preservatives? I don't get the picture. I openly challenge you to explain it to me.

Some people are concerned about more than fat loss, such as cholesterol and blood sugar levels, etc. Eating crap food at a deficit will indeed cause weight loss but it doesn't necessarily equal physical health.

I'd like to clear this up once and for all. Lately, the forums have been plagued with people claiming that they are "eating clean" and it's getting quite annoying.

There is no such thing as “clean" food.

There is no such thing as “dirty" food.

You can eat processed foods. You can eat chocolate, poptarts, hotdogs, drink soda. Go ahead and even have a nice big juicey burger from McDonalds if you wish!

The key is to fit it in to your macronutrients. Make food work for you instead of cowering in fear like the mass majority. You can still enjoy the foods you love. Yes it’s in moderation. You can still even lose fat, eat at a caloric deficit, gain muscle mass and eat poptarts. I promise.

I wish everyone would stop the fear mongering with carbs, processed foods and paleo bullcrap.

FOODS LIKE THESE DO NOT MAKE YOU FAT. OVER EATING THEM DOES.

Thank you.

Albeit a rat study:
El-Wahab, H., & Moram, G. S. E. (2013). Toxic effects of some synthetic food colorants and/or flavor additives on male rats. Toxicology and Industrial Health, 29(2), 224-32. doi:http://dx.doi.org/10.1177/0748233711433935

Food atdditive affects leptin levels via inflammation:
Ciardi, C., Jenny, M., Tschoner, A., Ueberall, F., Patsch, J., Pedrini, M., . . . Fuchs, D. (2012). Food additives such as sodium sulphite, sodium benzoate and curcumin inhibit leptin release in lipopolysaccharide-treated murine adipocytes in vitro. The British Journal of Nutrition, 107(6), 826-33. doi:http://dx.doi.org/10.1017/S0007114511003680

“During the 1970s, Feingold [9, 10] estimated that between 30 and 50% of hyperactive children exhibited a dramatic therapeutic improvement if they avoided food additives and natural salicilates. Similarly, Supramaniam and Warner [11] reported that 56% of children with angio-oedema and/or urticaria reacted to challenge with food additives including food colours. Egger et al. [lb] reported, moreover, that in their scrupulously careful elimination diet and double-blind placebo challenge study some 80% of their sample responded to both the elimination of and challenge with food colours and other dietary constituents. Michaelsson and Juhlin [12] also found that 39 of 52 (i.e. 75% of) chronic urticariacs responded to provocation tests with food colours.”
Millstone, E. (1997). Adverse reactions to food additives: The extent and severity of the problem. Journal of Nutritional & Environmental Medicine, 7(4), 323-332. Retrieved from http://search.proquest.com/docview/215624482?accountid=28023
“Artificial colours or a sodium benzoate preservative (or both) in the diet result in increased hyperactivity in 3-year-old and 8/9-year-old children in the general population.”
McCann, D., Barrett, A., Cooper, A., Crumpler, D., Dalen, L., Grimshaw, K., . . . Stevenson, J. (2007). Food additives and hyperactive behaviour in 3-year-old and 8/9-year-old children in the community: A randomised, double-blinded, placebo-controlled trial. The Lancet, 370(9598), 1560-7. Retrieved from http://search.proquest.com/docview/199008280?accountid=28023

“High total habitual dietary P intake affected S-PTH unfavourably. Furthermore, phosphate additives may have more harmful effects on bone than other P sources, as indicated by higher mean S-PTH concentration among participants who consumed AP-containing foods. Because of the high dietary P intake and current upward trend in consumption of processed foods in Western countries, these findings may have important public health implications.”
Kemi, V. E., Rita, H. J., Kärkkäinen, M.,U.M., Viljakainen, H. T., Laaksonen, M. M., Outila, T. A., & Lamberg-Allardt, C. (2009). Habitual high phosphorus intakes and foods with phosphate additives negatively affect serum parathyroid hormone concentration: A cross-sectional study on healthy premenopausal women. Public Health Nutrition, 12(10), 1885-92. doi:http://dx.doi.org/10.1017/S1368980009004819

I wonder what else they think is OK:
“Certain other important concerns have been raised by academic scientists about the FDA's oversight of food additives. Among them are reservations about the agency's primary reliance on industry-sponsored toxicity studies. The FDA generally appears to rely primarily on these studies rather than on investigations performed by academic scientists published in peer-reviewed journals.61 This may stem from the agency's apparent preference for studies completed using FDA-approved or standardized protocols and laboratory practices.
This issue has recently come to a head with the case of bisphenol A. Industry studies using standard testing protocols showed no significant problems with the use of bisphenol A, but published academic studies raised health concerns, though there is some controversy over whether those studies are sufficient to warrant regulatory action.11-15,39-42,61 “
Olson, E. D. (2011). Protecting food safety: More needs to be done to keep pace with scientific advances and the changing food supply. Health Affairs, 30(5), 915-23. Retrieved from http://search.proquest.com/docview/868915474?accountid=28023

A mouse study – which I don’t completely believe relates directly to humans however here is the study source:
Bhattacharyya, S., O-sullivan, I., Katyal, S., Unterman, T., & Tobacman, J. K. (2012). Exposure to the common food additive carrageenan leads to glucose intolerance, insulin resistance and inhibition of insulin signalling in HepG2 cells and C57BL/6J mice. Diabetologia, 55(1), 194-203. doi:http://dx.doi.org/10.1007/s00125-011-2333-z

“susceptible individuals,
the frequency and intensity of allergic responses to envi-
ronmental and/or dietary allergens may increase in an
environment rich in antioxidants. Extending our previ-
ously published hypothesis [69] , it appears that especially
antioxidants added in high doses as preservatives and
colorants may play a major role”

Zaknun, D., Schroecksnadel, S., Kurz, K., & Fuchs, D. (2012). Potential role of antioxidant food supplements, preservatives and colorants in the pathogenesis of allergy and asthma. International Archives of Allergy and Immunology, 157(2), 113-24. doi:http://dx.doi.org/10.1159/000329137

I can't believe I posted the oft requested research and the post just died... wow. So nobody really wants science? I like science. I think they just want to argue. OK, carry on... I'll go back to lurking. Resume saving people from themselves and fighting about it.

Your need to be fully informed before expressing an opinion that isn't based on fact. Processed foods are not healthy. Two good books from reliable authors with credentials are "Salt, Sugar, and Fat - How the Food Manufacturers Addicted America" and "Pandora's Lunchbox - How Fast Food Has Taken Over the American Dinner Table." Processing is disgusting and the food manufacturers spend $$$ on research to find the "sweet spot" - where you continue to eat the food even though you are full. Look around you - Obesity is rampant. Health problems are rampant. The human body wasn't made to put all kinds of chemicals and preservatives in without consequences.

Your need to be fully informed before expressing an opinion that isn't based on fact. Processed foods are not healthy. Two good books from reliable authors with credentials are "Salt, Sugar, and Fat - How the Food Manufacturers Addicted America" and "Pandora's Lunchbox - How Fast Food Has Taken Over the American Dinner Table." Processing is disgusting and the food manufacturers spend $$$ on research to find the "sweet spot" - where you continue to eat the food even though you are full. Look around you - Obesity is rampant. Health problems are rampant. The human body wasn't made to put all kinds of chemicals and preservatives in without consequences.

I can't believe I posted the oft requested research and the post just died... wow. So nobody really wants science? I like science. I think they just want to argue. OK, carry on... I'll go back to lurking. Resume saving people from themselves and fighting about it.

Well I responded quite a long time ago.

Again, all I say is they raise some questions. Studies are always inconclusive and "need further research" as far as I can tell. I'm was just offering some for those who keep asking. I do appreciate you taking the time to review all that - - but again, even I'm still keeping my twinkie if I want it.