Breakfast = most important meal of the day?????
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Some may find this relevant:
Why does breakfast make me hungry? http://www.leangains.com/2012/06/why-does-breakfast-make-me-hungry.html
Just thought I should mention this is not a scientific study, if anything this is more "broscience" by definition.
did you even read the article? He clearly posts references, studies, etc to back up the claim ..I am not sure how it "broscience" when it is backed up by research...
She still doesn't know what 'broscience" is. Internet terminology isn't her forte.
Oh here we go again, the IIFYMer crew has come in swinging. Please oh wise one, define your broscience and then please go through the article and list every scientific study that this author has cited as a source.
Since joining have you posted anything that doesn't suck?0 -
Some may find this relevant:
Why does breakfast make me hungry? http://www.leangains.com/2012/06/why-does-breakfast-make-me-hungry.html
Just thought I should mention this is not a scientific study, if anything this is more "broscience" by definition.
did you even read the article? He clearly posts references, studies, etc to back up the claim ..I am not sure how it "broscience" when it is backed up by research...
She still doesn't know what 'broscience" is. Internet terminology isn't her forte.
Oh here we go again, the IIFYMer crew has come in swinging. Please oh wise one, define your broscience and then please go through the article and list every scientific study that this author has cited as a source.
Since joining have you posted anything that doesn't suck?
Bahahahaha!!!!!! You just made my morning. Who needs breakfast???0 -
I posted an entire page of scientific studies on why Breakfast is considered the most important meal of the day, I answered the OP question. What have you added to the conversation again? Obviously the topic isn't about IIFYM but I just find it very coincidental that the same people from the same group are always so sensitive and on the attack.
The article in question
1. Is written by a nutritional consultant, magazine writer and personal trainer, Its not a scientific study as the OP asked for.
2. Heaven for bid someone else uses the term "broscience" didn't realize you owned the phrase
3. Definition of broscience, which there are actually a dozen all over the place: Broscience is the predominant brand of reasoning in bodybuilding circles where the anecdotal reports of jacked dudes are considered more credible than scientific research.
4. The author posts nor cites any actual Studies on the topic of his article, only a few quotes from various sources and they are very brief. The author clearly states that this is a Hypothesis or an educated Opinion.....which is drum roll please............your definition of Broscience. Now had he done a scientific study and tested 2,000 peoples effect on how hungry they feel after eating breakfast, this would be considered a scientific study, but its not. Its just an article of this man's opinions based off his research. I never insinuated it wasn't a well thought out article, he obviously is educated and spent a lot of time researching this idea, but it doesn't make it a scientific study. Or maybe its only "broscience" when its not convenient for you and your subjective viewpoints.
Now is it really necessary to harp on every word and every post I make and then completely dethread a topic to start an argument that has nothing to do with the OP question? Not really...0 -
I posted an entire page of scientific studies on why Breakfast is considered the most important meal of the day, I answered the OP question. What have you added to the conversation again? Obviously the topic isn't about IIFYM but I just find it very coincidental that the same people from the same group are always so sensitive and on the attack.
The article in question
1. Is written by a nutritional consultant, magazine writer and personal trainer, Its not a scientific study as the OP asked for.
2. Heaven for bid someone else uses the term "broscience" didn't realize you owned the phrase
3. Definition of broscience, which there are actually a dozen all over the place: Broscience is the predominant brand of reasoning in bodybuilding circles where the anecdotal reports of jacked dudes are considered more credible than scientific research.
4. The author posts nor cites any actual Studies on the topic of his article, only a few quotes from various sources and they are very brief. The author clearly states that this is a Hypothesis or an educated Opinion.....which is drum roll please............your definition of Broscience. Now had he done a scientific study and tested 2,000 peoples effect on how hungry they feel after eating breakfast, this would be considered a scientific study, but its not. Its just an article of this man's opinions based of his research. I never insinuated it wasn't a well thought out article, he obviously is educated and spent a lot of time researching this idea, but it doesn't make it a scientific study. Or maybe its only "broscience" when its not convenient for you and your subjective viewpoints.
Now is it really necessary to harp on every word and every post I make and then completely dethread a topic to start an argument that has nothing to do with the OP question? Not really...
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I posted an entire page of scientific studies on why Breakfast is considered the most important meal of the day, I answered the OP question. What have you added to the conversation again? Obviously the topic isn't about IIFYM but I just find it very coincidental that the same people from the same group are always so sensitive and on the attack.
The article in question
1. Is written by a nutritional consultant, magazine writer and personal trainer, Its not a scientific study as the OP asked for.
2. Heaven for bid someone else uses the term "broscience" didn't realize you owned the phrase
3. Definition of broscience, which there are actually a dozen all over the place: Broscience is the predominant brand of reasoning in bodybuilding circles where the anecdotal reports of jacked dudes are considered more credible than scientific research.
4. The author posts nor cites any actual Studies on the topic of his article, only a few quotes from various sources and they are very brief. The author clearly states that this is a Hypothesis or an educated Opinion.....which is drum roll please............your definition of Broscience. Now had he done a scientific study and tested 2,000 peoples effect on how hungry they feel after eating breakfast, this would be considered a scientific study, but its not. Its just an article of this man's opinions based off his research. I never insinuated it wasn't a well thought out article, he obviously is educated and spent a lot of time researching this idea, but it doesn't make it a scientific study. Or maybe its only "broscience" when its not convenient for you and your subjective viewpoints.
Now is it really necessary to harp on every word and every post I make and then completely dethread a topic to start an argument that has nothing to do with the OP question? Not really...
here is the reference list from the leangains article on cortisol and being hungry after breakfast:
Reference List
Benedict, C., Hallschmid, M., Scheibner, J., Niemeyer, D., Schultes, B., Merl, V., Fehm, H. L., et al. (2005). Gut protein uptake and mechanisms of meal-induced cortisol release. The Journal of clinical endocrinology and metabolism, 90(3), 1692–1696. doi:10.1210/jc.2004-1792
Campfield, L. A., & Smith, F. J. (2003). Blood glucose dynamics and control of meal initiation: a pattern detection and recognition theory. Physiological Reviews, 83(1), 25–58. doi:10.1152/physrev.00019.2002
Clow, A., et al., The cortisol awakening response: More than a measure of HPA axis function. Neurosci. Biobehav. Rev. (2010), doi:10.1016/j.neubiorev.2009.12.011
Dallman MF, Akana SF, Strack AM, Hanson ES, Sebastian RJ. The neural network that regulates energy balance is responsive to gluco- corticoids and insulin and also regulates HPA axis responsivity at a site proximal to CRF neurons. Stress: Basic Mechanisms Clin Implicat 1995; 771: 730±742.
Fries, E., Dettenborn, L., Kirschbaum, C., 2009. The cortisol awakening response (CAR): facts and future directions. Int. J. Psychophysiol. 72, 67–73.
Gibson, E. L., Checkley, S., Papadopoulos, A., Poon, L., Daley, S., & Wardle, J. (1999). Increased salivary cortisol reliably induced by a protein-rich midday meal. Psychosomatic Medicine, 61(2), 214–224.
MAYER, J. (1953). Glucostatic mechanism of regulation of food intake. The New England journal of medicine, 249(1), 13–16. doi:10.1056/NEJM195307022490104
Newport, D.J. and Nemeroff, C.B. (2002) Stress. In: (Ed. in chief), Encyclopedia of the Human Brain, Vol. 4. Elsevier, pp. 449-462.
Shin, I.-Y., Ahn, R.-S., Chun, S.-I., Lee, Y.-J., Kim, M.-S., Lee, C.-K., & Sung, S. (2011). Cortisol Awakening Response and Nighttime Salivary Cortisol Levels in Healthy Working Korean Subjects. Yonsei Medical Journal, 52(3), 435. doi:10.3349/ymj.2011.52.3.435
Slag, M. F., Ahmad, M., Gannon, M. C., & Nuttall, F. Q. (1981). Meal stimulation of cortisol secretion: a protein induced effect. Metabolism, 30(11), 1104–1108.
Therrien, F., Drapeau, V., Lupien, S. J., Beaulieu, S., Doré, J., Tremblay, A., & Richard, D. (2008). Awakening cortisol response in relation to psychosocial profiles and eating behaviors. Physiology & Behavior, 93(1-2), 282–288. doi:10.1016/j.physbeh.2007.08.019
Vila, G., Krebs, M., Riedl, M., Baumgartner-Parzer, S. M., Clodi, M., Maier, C., Pacini, G., et al. (2010). Acute effects of hydrocortisone on the metabolic response to a glucose load: increase in the first-phase insulin secretion. European journal of endocrinology / European Federation of Endocrine Societies, 163(2), 225–231. doi:10.1530/EJE-10-0282
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I posted an entire page of scientific studies on why Breakfast is considered the most important meal of the day, I answered the OP question. What have you added to the conversation again? Obviously the topic isn't about IIFYM but I just find it very coincidental that the same people from the same group are always so sensitive and on the attack.
The article in question
1. Is written by a nutritional consultant, magazine writer and personal trainer, Its not a scientific study as the OP asked for.
2. Heaven for bid someone else uses the term "broscience" didn't realize you owned the phrase
3. Definition of broscience, which there are actually a dozen all over the place: Broscience is the predominant brand of reasoning in bodybuilding circles where the anecdotal reports of jacked dudes are considered more credible than scientific research.
4. The author posts nor cites any actual Studies on the topic of his article, only a few quotes from various sources and they are very brief. The author clearly states that this is a Hypothesis or an educated Opinion.....which is drum roll please............your definition of Broscience. Now had he done a scientific study and tested 2,000 peoples effect on how hungry they feel after eating breakfast, this would be considered a scientific study, but its not. Its just an article of this man's opinions based off his research. I never insinuated it wasn't a well thought out article, he obviously is educated and spent a lot of time researching this idea, but it doesn't make it a scientific study. Or maybe its only "broscience" when its not convenient for you and your subjective viewpoints.
Now is it really necessary to harp on every word and every post I make and then completely dethread a topic to start an argument that has nothing to do with the OP question? Not really...
Uh........a hypothesis or educated opinion, by definition, are pretty much the opposite of bro-science. And you kinda instigated things a tad with the "IIFYM crew swinging" comment. Nobody was talking IIFYM in this thread. Care to try again?0 -
Everybody is different. I personally feel like breakfast is way overrate. I lost a good amount of weight eating 4-5 small meals a day, that included breakfast. That weight was lost because of a deficit and lifting weights. I hated it, because, while I was never really hungry, I was never ever full. Also it became harder and harder to loose. I then got to a point where I couldn't loose any more fat, yet I had 25-30 lbs left. I found IF a year ago and it has been a godsend. It made me realize that the whole idea of needing to eat a bunch of small meals or the notion that b-fast was the most important meal, was one way, but definitely not the only way. I switched to IF, eliminated b-fast and never looked back. It's the easiest thing I've ever done. Now my meals are huge and satisfying and I'm never hungry yet I keep getting leaner. When you don't eat b-fast, you don't get hungry. And b-fast is not "stoking the metabolic fire" like people once thought. I've also started doing Keto plus IF for the last 10 weeks and it has changed my life. Now that my body runs on ketones, I have a constant high energy level, no post lunch insulin swings (food comas), I think clearer and I'm more focused, I'm the leanest I've ever been and I'm in the best shape of my life. People need to find what works for them. IF and/or Keto might not be for everyone, and if b-fast makes someone feel better and perform better then who am I to argue. I have a body that responds to Keto and IF very positively.0
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Mention of keytones in an already hostile thread. Can't decide if seeking shelter or finding a good seat to watch the carnage ensue is more appropriate.0
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I think we have to get rid of the breakfast, lunch and dinner idea. It is proven (ask any bodybuilder) that 5 or 6 small meals a day speeds up your metabolism. After reading Tom Venuto's 'Burn the fat, feed the muscle' two months ago, I started this change in feeding myself.You know, before I always had a few 'hungry' moments, and I started to snack, even after dinner. Candy, icecream or a cake.
From the moment I changed my habits, I never had a hungry moment anymore.
I eat 5 or 6 times a day, small meals and never eat more than 2000 Kcal a day.
Offcourse I do my workouts 5 times a week.
I lost without diet or uncomfortable feelings, 10 pounds since then.
I think I lost even more fat, because I built up muscles also.
So the answer to your question: don't do breakfast, just have your first meal of the day.
I really, really advise everybody to read Venuto's ebook. It is my food and workout bible and it serves me well.
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Haha, I love this thread.
I'm not sure where the belief comes from. I would imagine it is a combination of several different things, the most important one being the concept that after something is repeated so many times, it becomes "truth." It's kind of like how traditions eventually become so separated from whatever original context or meaning existed, they are basically meaningless. At some point, someone decided it was important for their own reasons, and everyone agreed without knowing or understanding why.
I've tried to adjust my thinking so that I look at "breakfast" as whatever meal I eat to break a fast, not necessarily a morning meal. So, when I look at it that way, if I never break my fast, I'll eventually starve and die. It suddenly becomes extremely important to me.
I used to be a big morning meal fan, now I rarely ever eat anything before noon. Sure breakfast is important, that's why I make a big deal out of it at 2pm, when I break my fast from the night before.0 -
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Oh Lord you guys and your "Thats Broscience Dude" as if no one has ever conducted a study on breakfast being the most important meal of the day. Here are some studies on the subject....take note I already posted my opinion, but the "Thats broscience" thing is just as annoying as you think "broscience" is.
http://www.upenn.edu/pennnews/current/2013-06-06/research/nursing-study-finds-breakfast-indeed-most-important-mealdoes web MD count?
http://www.webmd.com/diet/features/many-benefits-breakfastAre those enough studies, I'm sure it wouldn't be too hard to dig up if you are truly that interested. Personally I say to each there own, but I do feel its important. What you choose to do with your body is your business, just don't assume its "broscience" without any actual scientific basis behind it.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1905998
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9155494
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15085170
If some like breakfast to fulfill their calorie goals or sustain energy balance, then eat it. However calling it the "most important meal of the day" is a stretch.
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You hear that? A knowledge bomb has just gone off. ^^^^^0
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because you are breaking your fast.0
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Oh Lord you guys and your "Thats Broscience Dude" as if no one has ever conducted a study on breakfast being the most important meal of the day. Here are some studies on the subject....take note I already posted my opinion, but the "Thats broscience" thing is just as annoying as you think "broscience" is.
http://www.upenn.edu/pennnews/current/2013-06-06/research/nursing-study-finds-breakfast-indeed-most-important-mealdoes web MD count?
http://www.webmd.com/diet/features/many-benefits-breakfastAre those enough studies, I'm sure it wouldn't be too hard to dig up if you are truly that interested. Personally I say to each there own, but I do feel its important. What you choose to do with your body is your business, just don't assume its "broscience" without any actual scientific basis behind it.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1905998
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9155494
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15085170
If some like breakfast to fulfill their calorie goals or sustain energy balance, then eat it. However calling it the "most important meal of the day" is a stretch.
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well done sir, well done0 -
I apologize let me clarify as my original point has been completely lost in this mish mash. I was simply stating that this "broscience" term gets used way to often. If all one has to do is create a Hypothesis, which we are all in agreeance is just an educated guess, then the term "breakfast is the most important meal of the day" is NOT Broscience by your definition. There are plenty of hypothesis and studies out there who have written and researched the idea. Lets not throw the term "broscience" around just to make ourselves somehow seem superior and of a higher intellect just because you have a different opinion. It is possible to have 2 different well thought out and researched ideas with opposing viewpoints.
And for the record I never stated either of these as my opinion. I consider breakfast under the term "breaking the fast" whether it be 8am or 2 in the afternoon. I also think the most important meal is that preceeded by the most physical activity. For me its morning, maybe someone works out in the evening, or works the night shift. It's really based on the individual. I'm also pretty sure in the actual thesis we are discussing the authors final conclusion was
"Post-breakfast hunger cannot be explained by differences in food choice, but by certain individual factors, and their interaction with a time-of-day effect of feeding on hormonal profile and metabolism."
Or in other words its different for every individual. (even thought his actual article discusses something completely different than the notion that breakfast is the most important meal of the day, his article is about why we still get hungry shorty after eating breakfast)0 -
I apologize let me clarify as my original point has been completely lost in this mish mash. I was simply stating that this "broscience" term gets used way to often. If all one has to do is create a Hypothesis, which we are all in agreeance is just an educated guess, then the term "breakfast is the most important meal of the day" is NOT Broscience by your definition. There are plenty of hypothesis and studies out there who have written and researched the idea. Lets not throw the term "broscience" around just to make ourselves somehow seem superior and of a higher intellect just because you have a different opinion. It is possible to have 2 different well thought out and researched ideas with opposing viewpoints.
And for the record I never stated either of these as my opinion. I consider breakfast under the term "breaking the fast" whether it be 8am or 2 in the afternoon. I also think the most important meal is that preceeded by the most physical activity. For me its morning, maybe someone works out in the evening, or works the night shift. It's really based on the individual. I'm also pretty sure in the actual thesis we are discussing the authors final conclusion was
"Post-breakfast hunger cannot be explained by differences in food choice, but by certain individual factors, and their interaction with a time-of-day effect of feeding on hormonal profile and metabolism."
Or in other words its different for every individual. (even thought his actual article discusses something completely different than the notion that breakfast is the most important meal of the day, his article is about why we still get hungry shorty after eating breakfast)
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I apologize let me clarify as my original point has been completely lost in this mish mash. I was simply stating that this "broscience" term gets used way to often. If all one has to do is create a Hypothesis, which we are all in agreeance is just an educated guess, then the term "breakfast is the most important meal of the day" is NOT Broscience by your definition. There are plenty of hypothesis and studies out there who have written and researched the idea. Lets not throw the term "broscience" around just to make ourselves somehow seem superior and of a higher intellect just because you have a different opinion. It is possible to have 2 different well thought out and researched ideas with opposing viewpoints.
And for the record I never stated either of these as my opinion. I consider breakfast under the term "breaking the fast" whether it be 8am or 2 in the afternoon. I also think the most important meal is that preceeded by the most physical activity. For me its morning, maybe someone works out in the evening, or works the night shift. It's really based on the individual. I'm also pretty sure in the actual thesis we are discussing the authors final conclusion was
"Post-breakfast hunger cannot be explained by differences in food choice, but by certain individual factors, and their interaction with a time-of-day effect of feeding on hormonal profile and metabolism."
Or in other words its different for every individual. (even thought his actual article discusses something completely different than the notion that breakfast is the most important meal of the day, his article is about why we still get hungry shorty after eating breakfast)
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Agreed. Much better explanation and insight to the thought process here. I know its common to have a thought in one's head, and have it come out differently when spoken or written. Happens to me all the time.0 -
cool thrad wud read again0
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Well glad we cleared that up
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I apologize let me clarify as my original point has been completely lost in this mish mash. I was simply stating that this "broscience" term gets used way to often. If all one has to do is create a Hypothesis, which we are all in agreeance is just an educated guess, then the term "breakfast is the most important meal of the day" is NOT Broscience by your definition. There are plenty of hypothesis and studies out there who have written and researched the idea. Lets not throw the term "broscience" around just to make ourselves somehow seem superior and of a higher intellect just because you have a different opinion. It is possible to have 2 different well thought out and researched ideas with opposing viewpoints.
And for the record I never stated either of these as my opinion. I consider breakfast under the term "breaking the fast" whether it be 8am or 2 in the afternoon. I also think the most important meal is that preceeded by the most physical activity. For me its morning, maybe someone works out in the evening, or works the night shift. It's really based on the individual. I'm also pretty sure in the actual thesis we are discussing the authors final conclusion was
"Post-breakfast hunger cannot be explained by differences in food choice, but by certain individual factors, and their interaction with a time-of-day effect of feeding on hormonal profile and metabolism."
Or in other words its different for every individual. (even thought his actual article discusses something completely different than the notion that breakfast is the most important meal of the day, his article is about why we still get hungry shorty after eating breakfast)
thats what I call "epic backtrack"
I will just add my two cents, which is that you said the article was "bro science" and was not backed up by any "research" ...both points were not correct.0 -
A. if an educated guess is NOT considered broscience, then I take that statement back.
B. I said clearly said it was not a SCIENTIFIC STUDY, I also said
" Its just an article of this man's opinions based off his research. I never insinuated it wasn't a well thought out article, he obviously is educated and spent a lot of time researching this idea, but it doesn't make it a scientific study"
clear the fog off the glasses.0 -
It's offical..............if it isn't a study, it's broscience.
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Some may find this relevant:
Oh here we go again, the IIFYMer crew has come in swinging. Please oh wise one, define your broscience and then please go through the article and list every scientific study that this author has cited as a source.
Here is where you clearly said that the author did not have scientific studies for his article....
I will clear the fog off my glasses (is that supposed to be an insult???) when you clear the fog out of your brain ...or would you like to borrow my glasses so that you can read what you post better????0 -
I think that it depends. While using the phrase, "breakfast is the most important meal of the day", might be used as a marketing strategy to get more people to buy breakfast foods, I think for some, breakfast is the most important meal of the day. People say that breakfast kickstarts your metabolism, or it does this, or does that, or blah blah blah.... But overall, I think a healthy breakfast encourages healthy eating throughout the remainder of the day. I've done intermittent fasting before, where you eat for 8 hours of the day and fast for 16, and in that I always skipped breakfast, and it didn't yield any significant results. For me, having a big breakfast, balanced in carbs, protein, and healthy fats leaves me feeling fuller throughout the day and ready to tackle my runs and workouts.
I don't have any scientific studies or this or that, but I know that for some people, breakfast isn't the most important meal of the day, but for others, like myself, it is. I think it all depends on the person, and because that is so trivial, I think that advertisements try to sway people into believing that they're doing something good for their body and themselves by loading up on breakfast, when really they have no idea what they're doing.0 -
To me it is. That doesn't mean its my biggest meal by any means, just the one I make sure to not skip. Your energy supplies are on empty, need to put some fuel in your body. If your car had no gas in it would you drive it anyway? :laugh: Just my 2 cents and personal preference.0
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To me it is. That doesn't mean its my biggest meal by any means, just the one I make sure to not skip. Your energy supplies are on empty, need to put some fuel in your body. If your car had no gas in it would you drive it anyway? :laugh: Just my 2 cents and personal preference.
I guess it depends on when my tank is on E ..if I wake up and am not hungry then I am obviously still running on something, right?0 -
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I eat dinner around 5-6pm, usually with no snacks before bed, I wake up at 5AM and work out so by the time 6;30 or 7am roll around -I need to eat BAD.....I think it might be the most important because you haven't eaten since dinner and for some of us, that is a long time not to eat......and your body needs to eat right, at least mine does.0
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Initially it might have been marketing campaigns by Kellogs/Post ... however it's
true if you think about it. Many ppl are insulin resistant and/or diabetic. A lot of
metabolic disorders and such require not going w/o food too many hours straight.
I personally like getting a nice rounded breakfast to get my engine running.0
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