We trashed the sodas, chips, cookies

They're important, but not nearly as important. It's very easy to consume the wrong macronutrients. Just look at how many overweight people there are: they're overweight because they consume improper amounts of macronutrients.

We don't have "micronutrient deficiency" rates of 30% or more. We do have obesity rates of 30% or more. Obesity comes from improper macronutrient intake.

If you want to pretend macronutrients don't matter that much, you're totally wrong. Obesity is literally caused by improper macronutrient intake.

For what it's worth, we've been preaching moderation as a response to the obesity epidemic for 50 years, and it's only getting worse.

Who is preaching moderation? I don't see it. I see "don't eat junk food," "try the xyz cleanse," "the Oprah diet," "HCG pills," "Raspberry Ketones," "toxins," "eat clean," "white rice/bananas/sugar/fat/you name it will make you fat," etc.

What isn't being taught, or at least not taught well out of the current nutrition programs in schools, is moderation. Moderation is work. It's simple but it SAS isn't easy for a lot of people, and many of them end up blaming this food or that when they fail.

I see both. I see all the ketones and sugar is evil (I'll leave HFCS aside for now). I see lots of "diets are bad" posts by folks who've clearly never learned anything about the diet being discussed. And I see the whole nom nom give me my pop tarts side where very rarely does anyone mention moderation or what true moderation means. And, I've seen it in this thread as well, with the "implication" that pop tarts are nutritious. We have a generation of obese folks, who live on convenience foods, who don't, it appears, practice moderation as a life style (again, they're overweight for a reason, and I think we at least agree it's due to excess calories). We have a lot of overweight folks, who are probably malnourished (not just the now well know vitamin-D deficiencies).
I don't believe in demonizing foods, per se, but do think pointing out the relative nutritional "value" of a variety of approaches to meeting ones' calorie goals. Perhaps its all lost in "iffym", which, again, I think most of our newer community members don't really understand. So they see: eat the twinkie, and absorb (bad choice of words) little else from the advice offered.

I don't think you are giving new people very much credit. When a new person sees a diary like Jonnythan's, isn't it possible that they're thinking, "Hey, I could follow a diet like that! I could be successful for the first time ever without depriving myself and still be active and healthy. And I could do it FOREVER." I know that's what I thought. It was a revelation. :flowerforyou:

This was your 666th post. If that's not proof you and I are evil, nothing is.

ETA: Dang I misread. Only 606.

I just read a few comments, but I am astonished at how many people were criticizing these guys for ditching the soda and junk food. I say good for you guys! The crap need not go into your body. Your body is not a garbage can and food is not supposed to be entertainment. You could lose weight eating ice cream and cake, but you wouldn't be very healthy. Stick to whole, fresh foods. Good going guys!

Again. How does ice cream and cake, in moderation, make you less healthy?

I just read a few comments, but I am astonished at how many people were criticizing these guys for ditching the soda and junk food. I say good for you guys! The crap need not go into your body. Your body is not a garbage can and food is not supposed to be entertainment. You could lose weight eating ice cream and cake, but you wouldn't be very healthy. Stick to whole, fresh foods. Good going guys!

Again. How does ice cream and cake, in moderation, make you less healthy?

Hmm... Don't know but apparently making the decision to purge it from your home makes you a target for criticism and ridicule

If it was perfectly good food we would not have thrown it out. I didn't send it to the food bank.
We don't send ciqarettes to the food bank.

If we choose to donate we want to make sure we are keeping our principals up., now that we are becoming educated on food. I want to make sure that the food bank is getting the same good quality that we are eating. not products that we are putting in our garden waste. The only good thing is that it is biodegradable.

I know I sound excited but I am so stoked with this new energy |i have got from eating well. and the new lifestyle we have got going for ourselves.

They're important, but not nearly as important. It's very easy to consume the wrong macronutrients. Just look at how many overweight people there are: they're overweight because they consume improper amounts of macronutrients.

We don't have "micronutrient deficiency" rates of 30% or more. We do have obesity rates of 30% or more. Obesity comes from improper macronutrient intake.

If you want to pretend macronutrients don't matter that much, you're totally wrong. Obesity is literally caused by improper macronutrient intake.

For what it's worth, we've been preaching moderation as a response to the obesity epidemic for 50 years, and it's only getting worse.

Who is preaching moderation? I don't see it. I see "don't eat junk food," "try the xyz cleanse," "the Oprah diet," "HCG pills," "Raspberry Ketones," "toxins," "eat clean," "white rice/bananas/sugar/fat/you name it will make you fat," etc.

What isn't being taught, or at least not taught well out of the current nutrition programs in schools, is moderation. Moderation is work. It's simple but it SAS isn't easy for a lot of people, and many of them end up blaming this food or that when they fail.

I see both. I see all the ketones and sugar is evil (I'll leave HFCS aside for now). I see lots of "diets are bad" posts by folks who've clearly never learned anything about the diet being discussed. And I see the whole nom nom give me my pop tarts side where very rarely does anyone mention moderation or what true moderation means. And, I've seen it in this thread as well, with the "implication" that pop tarts are nutritious. We have a generation of obese folks, who live on convenience foods, who don't, it appears, practice moderation as a life style (again, they're overweight for a reason, and I think we at least agree it's due to excess calories). We have a lot of overweight folks, who are probably malnourished (not just the now well know vitamin-D deficiencies).
I don't believe in demonizing foods, per se, but do think pointing out the relative nutritional "value" of a variety of approaches to meeting ones' calorie goals. Perhaps its all lost in "iffym", which, again, I think most of our newer community members don't really understand. So they see: eat the twinkie, and absorb (bad choice of words) little else from the advice offered.

I don't think you are giving new people very much credit. When a new person sees a diary like Jonnythan's, isn't it possible that they're thinking, "Hey, I could follow a diet like that! I could be successful for the first time ever without depriving myself and still be active and healthy. And I could do it FOREVER." I know that's what I thought. It was a revelation. :flowerforyou:

yeah I read two days of Jonnythan's diary, and yes he is eating a lot. For him though he can eat more calories than me, prolly due to exercise. if i could eat 700 more calories in a day, i too could have his snacks. But i can only have 1600 so i utilize them better, i'd like to eat more solid food like more meat or something like that, rather than snacks.. but i have that 1600 so it doens't go very far with high calorie food. so what am i gonna do? eat less but eat food with more calories, or eat more low-calorie food and get more volume which will fill me up better. (they key for me to not being deprived is to not go hungry).

when did this place turn into bashing people for not wanting to eat cookies....all you snarky "im going to think of you while i eat my ice cream tonight" people are annoying

Yeah, it's very strange.

Yes, you can not die eating pop tarts. You can lose weight eating pop tarts. You can take a vitamin and fortified stuff and not get scurvy. That doesn't mean it's the only way or the best way.

I think the risk of someone freaking out and binging because they decided not to keep pop tarts at home is overstated. It's much more likely they will binge on the pop tarts if they are actually in the cabinets. There is a potential for an unhealthy fear of food, but most people will not go that far. When they throw stuff out, it is because they have recognized that cookies are a sometimes food and don't want to get in the habit of eating them daily.

i'd like to eat more solid food like more meat or something like that, rather than snacks.. but i have that 1600 so it doens't go very far with high calorie food.

I don't know what your cal count is, but cal counts for meat are really not that bad. A 6 oz ribeye is only 450 cals and that's a fatty cut of meat. Stuff like sirloin and chicken is even less and they'll keep you full longer than a poptart (just to bring it back to the theme!) Many people find their hunger is better controled with more protein.

Please tell me that when you say 'trashed' you didn't actually throw perfectly good food into the trash, but that you donated it to your local food bank?

my best buddy and I detoxed our cupboards. We did a cleanse,. We have been lurking around the message board for a couple of months but just joined.

We want to thank all those who posted with how important it is to look at what we were putting in our bodies.

We have a certified nutritionist for our meals, worth the money and a fitness trainer. We also see the doctor regularly. The three of them advised it would be good for us to rid ourselves of the junk foo and sodas.
We do have our own diet plan that we write down daily.

My buddy is down 12 pounds in two months , I am reduced by 14 .

We are going strong.

A great move. Junk food is exactly that: "junk". If you are going to eat something, make it natural and healthy. Amazing how a couple of guys making a positive move to enhnace thier lifestyle can bring out all the haters. Don't believe any of the "IIFYM" losers. These are only people who are too weak to give up the crap and eat real food. Why would one eat crap when you can eat real. You guys made the right move. Good for you.

Yep, I'm an IIFYM "loser"..I've lost over 60lbs. Yay for me!!!

Good one. No one said you could not lose weight utilizing an IIFYM type of diet. One can lose weight eating dog food, or even soda's and chips. You missed the point, as most IIFYM users do. It's about being healthy not skinny.

my best buddy and I detoxed our cupboards. We did a cleanse,. We have been lurking around the message board for a couple of months but just joined.

We want to thank all those who posted with how important it is to look at what we were putting in our bodies.

We have a certified nutritionist for our meals, worth the money and a fitness trainer. We also see the doctor regularly. The three of them advised it would be good for us to rid ourselves of the junk foo and sodas.
We do have our own diet plan that we write down daily.

My buddy is down 12 pounds in two months , I am reduced by 14 .

We are going strong.

A great move. Junk food is exactly that: "junk". If you are going to eat something, make it natural and healthy. Amazing how a couple of guys making a positive move to enhnace thier lifestyle can bring out all the haters. Don't believe any of the "IIFYM" losers. These are only people who are too weak to give up the crap and eat real food. Why would one eat crap when you can eat real. You guys made the right move. Good for you.

Yep, I'm an IIFYM "loser"..I've lost over 60lbs. Yay for me!!!

Good one. No one said you could not lose weight utilizing an IIFYM type of diet. One can lose weight eating dog food, or even soda's and chips. You missed the point, as most IIFYM users do. It's about being healthy not skinny.