We trashed the sodas, chips, cookies

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  • NonnyMary
    NonnyMary Posts: 982 Member
    Good one. No one said you could not lose weight utilizing an IIFYM type of diet. One can lose weight eating dog food, or even soda's and chips. You missed the point, as most IIFYM users do. It's about being healthy not skinny.

    Yeah, look at all those skinny unhealthy iifym types.

    Wait a minute...

    Let's not fight poor assertion with poor assertion. The majority of IIFYM adherents are likely overweight, and are very likely to continue to be overweight. Just like with every other diet ever.

    What? Adhering to a diet that fits within your macros (which will generally then fall into place re: calorie intake) = being chronically overweight? No.

    I'll say it again: The people I see who support IIFYM are doing wonderful with their weight loss and fitness goals. The majority of those people are ripped.
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    I think a lot of the IIFYM peeps are doing very well, and I would not try to change their diet either. its working for them so believe it or not, i congratulate them for their successes.
  • magerum
    magerum Posts: 12,589 Member
    Good one. No one said you could not lose weight utilizing an IIFYM type of diet. One can lose weight eating dog food, or even soda's and chips. You missed the point, as most IIFYM users do. It's about being healthy not skinny.

    Yeah, look at all those skinny unhealthy iifym types.

    Wait a minute...

    Let's not fight poor assertion with poor assertion. The majority of IIFYM adherents are likely overweight, and are very likely to continue to be overweight. Just like with every other diet ever.

    On this site typically it's broken down between the tremendously over weight "clean eaters" and in shape IIFYM groups, if we're going to categorize things.
  • Sabine_Stroehm
    Sabine_Stroehm Posts: 19,263 Member
    Good one. No one said you could not lose weight utilizing an IIFYM type of diet. One can lose weight eating dog food, or even soda's and chips. You missed the point, as most IIFYM users do. It's about being healthy not skinny.

    Yeah, look at all those skinny unhealthy iifym types.

    Wait a minute...

    Let's not fight poor assertion with poor assertion. The majority of IIFYM adherents are likely overweight, and are very likely to continue to be overweight. Just like with every other diet ever.

    On this site typically it's broken down between the tremendously over weight "clean eaters" and in shape IIFYM groups, if we're going to categorize things.
    That's rather silly.
    And rather untrue.
  • mrmagee3
    mrmagee3 Posts: 518 Member
    Good one. No one said you could not lose weight utilizing an IIFYM type of diet. One can lose weight eating dog food, or even soda's and chips. You missed the point, as most IIFYM users do. It's about being healthy not skinny.

    Yeah, look at all those skinny unhealthy iifym types.

    Wait a minute...

    Let's not fight poor assertion with poor assertion. The majority of IIFYM adherents are likely overweight, and are very likely to continue to be overweight. Just like with every other diet ever.

    What? Adhering to a diet that fits within your macros (which will generally then fall into place re: calorie intake) = being chronically overweight? No.

    I'll say it again: The people I see who support IIFYM are doing wonderful with their weight loss and fitness goals. The majority of those people are ripped.

    Well, one, that's not what I said, and two, no, the people you see regularly are the couple dozen very outspoken proponents of it here, most of whom are doing well. Even given the fact that IIFYM started in bodybuilder circles, its more widespread adoption makes it highly unlikely that your statement is true.

    Diets fail. All of them. At an extremely high rate. The odds of IIFYM having a 50%+ success rate are probably lower than you getting struck by lightning. Twice. While riding a bear.

    None of these is a criticism of IIFYM as a methodology in any way. If you can't separate that from the preceding paragraphs, we likely don't have much more to talk about.
  • Achrya
    Achrya Posts: 16,913 Member
    Good one. No one said you could not lose weight utilizing an IIFYM type of diet. One can lose weight eating dog food, or even soda's and chips. You missed the point, as most IIFYM users do. It's about being healthy not skinny.

    Yeah, look at all those skinny unhealthy iifym types.

    Wait a minute...

    Let's not fight poor assertion with poor assertion. The majority of IIFYM adherents are likely overweight, and are very likely to continue to be overweight. Just like with every other diet ever.

    So...then there aren't a lot of skinny and unhealthy iffym types, since according to you most of them are overweight? Which mean you're agreeing with what I said?

    Thanks. I appreciate the back up
  • Sabine_Stroehm
    Sabine_Stroehm Posts: 19,263 Member
    Good one. No one said you could not lose weight utilizing an IIFYM type of diet. One can lose weight eating dog food, or even soda's and chips. You missed the point, as most IIFYM users do. It's about being healthy not skinny.

    Yeah, look at all those skinny unhealthy iifym types.

    Wait a minute...

    Let's not fight poor assertion with poor assertion. The majority of IIFYM adherents are likely overweight, and are very likely to continue to be overweight. Just like with every other diet ever.

    What? Adhering to a diet that fits within your macros (which will generally then fall into place re: calorie intake) = being chronically overweight? No.

    I'll say it again: The people I see who support IIFYM are doing wonderful with their weight loss and fitness goals. The majority of those people are ripped.
    Were the majority (see that word) of those "ripped" folks ever significantly overweight or obese? I honestly don't know the answer to that question, but it seems the "argument" has taken yet another turn toward ridiculous black and white, this or that categorization again.
    I'm not ripped. Nor am I overweight. I would probably be categorized as the "clean eating camp".
  • mrmagee3
    mrmagee3 Posts: 518 Member
    On this site typically it's broken down between the tremendously over weight "clean eaters" and in shape IIFYM groups, if we're going to categorize things.

    Well, let's hope that there's not a dozen skinny vegans looking to boost their post counts, otherwise we'll have to change the categorizations. Even worse if there are a dozen people ripped on dog food.
  • magerum
    magerum Posts: 12,589 Member
    Good one. No one said you could not lose weight utilizing an IIFYM type of diet. One can lose weight eating dog food, or even soda's and chips. You missed the point, as most IIFYM users do. It's about being healthy not skinny.

    Yeah, look at all those skinny unhealthy iifym types.

    Wait a minute...

    Let's not fight poor assertion with poor assertion. The majority of IIFYM adherents are likely overweight, and are very likely to continue to be overweight. Just like with every other diet ever.

    On this site typically it's broken down between the tremendously over weight "clean eaters" and in shape IIFYM groups, if we're going to categorize things.
    That's rather silly.
    And rather untrue.

    Silly, yes? Untrue, hardly. If you actually pay attention to the typicaly clean eating vs. IIFYM thread you'll find the people preaching "clean eating" the most, demonizing the sugarz, are quite overweight. While on here the IIFYM crowd tends to be more in shape. It's just the way it is here. Are there exceptions to every rule? Of course.
  • mrmagee3
    mrmagee3 Posts: 518 Member
    Let's not fight poor assertion with poor assertion. The majority of IIFYM adherents are likely overweight, and are very likely to continue to be overweight. Just like with every other diet ever.

    So...then there aren't a lot of skinny and unhealthy iffym types, since according to you most of them are overweight? Which mean you're agreeing with what I said?

    Thanks. I appreciate the back up

    Feel free to whistle into the wind. You know what you were implying when you wrote that. If all you're interested in is playing semantic games, congratulations. You win.
  • BeachIron
    BeachIron Posts: 6,490 Member
    Good one. No one said you could not lose weight utilizing an IIFYM type of diet. One can lose weight eating dog food, or even soda's and chips. You missed the point, as most IIFYM users do. It's about being healthy not skinny.

    Yeah, look at all those skinny unhealthy iifym types.

    Wait a minute...

    Let's not fight poor assertion with poor assertion. The majority of IIFYM adherents are likely overweight, and are very likely to continue to be overweight. Just like with every other diet ever.

    What? Adhering to a diet that fits within your macros (which will generally then fall into place re: calorie intake) = being chronically overweight? No.

    I'll say it again: The people I see who support IIFYM are doing wonderful with their weight loss and fitness goals. The majority of those people are ripped.

    Well, one, that's not what I said, and two, no, the people you see regularly are the couple dozen very outspoken proponents of it here, most of whom are doing well. Even given the fact that IIFYM started in bodybuilder circles, its more widespread adoption makes it highly unlikely that your statement is true.

    Diets fail. All of them. At an extremely high rate. The odds of IIFYM having a 50%+ success rate are probably lower than you getting struck by lightning. Twice. While riding a bear.

    None of these is a criticism of IIFYM as a methodology in any way. If you can't separate that from the preceding paragraphs, we likely don't have much more to talk about.

    Simmer down. :wink:

    I agree to a point.

    As a lifestyle approach to diet, it is the best I've seen, which is why I use it. There is an obvious self selection bias there I admit, but the lack of restriction and the built in flexibility are great. It's also called "flexible dieting" for this reason, but one takes on a bit of complexity in exchange for that flexibility, I also admit.

    And yea, consistency and dedication are necessary and are sorely lacking skills in some. I just hope these threads help, TBH.
  • Achrya
    Achrya Posts: 16,913 Member
    Let's not fight poor assertion with poor assertion. The majority of IIFYM adherents are likely overweight, and are very likely to continue to be overweight. Just like with every other diet ever.

    So...then there aren't a lot of skinny and unhealthy iffym types, since according to you most of them are overweight? Which mean you're agreeing with what I said?

    Thanks. I appreciate the back up

    Feel free to whistle into the wind. You know what you were implying when you wrote that. If all you're interested in is playing semantic games, congratulations. You win.

    Well, I do like winning, so I guess I'll take it.
  • QuietBloom
    QuietBloom Posts: 5,413 Member
    Please tell me that when you say 'trashed' you didn't actually throw perfectly good food into the trash, but that you donated it to your local food bank?
    i packed-up all foods (non-perishable) and took it to our food bank. all the fresh foods, we ate them until they were gone so as not to waste money. but we won't be buying more! :smile:

    Perfectly good food? Did you not read the post? It was chips sodas and other crap. I have had to (in the past) avail myself of food banks. Believe me, we don't need that crap in them. Thanks anyway.

    well, i have in fact was eating in Popeyes chicken restaurant a few years ago, and a homeless person came up to me and asked if he could have any food.. i was done eating, and all i had was the bones. so i told him.. he then snatched up the bones and chewed on them. that kinda freaked me out, the fact that he must have been so hungry that he ate up some bones. so i personally think if a person is hungry, they wont care if its potato chips or cookies, if i were starving, i'd even eat pop tarts. seriously.

    And you are saying this like it's a good thing. Never mind, I give up.
  • mrmagee3
    mrmagee3 Posts: 518 Member
    Silly, yes? Untrue, hardly. If you actually pay attention to the typicaly clean eating vs. IIFYM thread you'll find the people preaching "clean eating" the most, demonizing the sugarz, are quite overweight. While on here the IIFYM crowd tends to be more in shape. It's just the way it is here. Are there exceptions to every rule? Of course.

    So, we've went from talking about a population as a whole, to the people on this site, to the people on the forums, to the people who are highly active on these forums, to the people who are highly active on these forums and have pictures.

    If that's the type of leaps and bounds you need to take to make your point valid, it's probably not a very meaningful one.
  • BeachIron
    BeachIron Posts: 6,490 Member
    Please tell me that when you say 'trashed' you didn't actually throw perfectly good food into the trash, but that you donated it to your local food bank?
    i packed-up all foods (non-perishable) and took it to our food bank. all the fresh foods, we ate them until they were gone so as not to waste money. but we won't be buying more! :smile:

    Perfectly good food? Did you not read the post? It was chips sodas and other crap. I have had to (in the past) avail myself of food banks. Believe me, we don't need that crap in them. Thanks anyway.

    well, i have in fact was eating in Popeyes chicken restaurant a few years ago, and a homeless person came up to me and asked if he could have any food.. i was done eating, and all i had was the bones. so i told him.. he then snatched up the bones and chewed on them. that kinda freaked me out, the fact that he must have been so hungry that he ate up some bones. so i personally think if a person is hungry, they wont care if its potato chips or cookies, if i were starving, i'd even eat pop tarts. seriously.

    And you are saying this like it's a good thing. Never mind, I give up.

    The point is one of scarcity. If you have 20 bags of potato chips and you choose to throw them out, then that is 20 bags of potato chips that could have gone to someone that are now wasted. Even if you choose to donate $100 to a food back, that 20 bags of potato chips are still wasted, and $100 plus 20 bags of potato chips is still better than just $100. Food banks empty out all the time.

    DO NOT WASTE FOOD

    And yes, I know restaurants waste huge amounts of food, but that's another bone to pick . . . derp (so to speak) . . .
  • QuietBloom
    QuietBloom Posts: 5,413 Member
    The point is one of scarcity. If you have 20 bags of potato chips and you choose to throw them out, then that is 20 bags of potato chips that could have gone to someone that are now wasted. Even if you choose to donate $100 to a food back, that 20 bags of potato chips are still wasted, and $100 plus 20 bags of potato chips is still better than just $100. Food banks empty out all the time.

    DO NOT WASTE FOOD

    And yes, I know restaurants waste huge amounts of food, but that's another bone to pick . . . derp (so to speak) . . .

    You realize, don't you, that that the DO NOT WASTE FOOD is quite likely why so many Americans are overweight? Plus, what would happen if people bought fewer potato chips? They would stop making so many.

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  • mrmagee3
    mrmagee3 Posts: 518 Member
    Simmer down. :wink:

    Thanks for the reminder. I find it frustrating, because I do take some care in order to be clear in threads like this, when people read things that aren't present in the post itself. I should work on that. :laugh:
    I agree to a point.

    As a lifestyle approach to diet, it is the best I've seen, which is why I use it. There is an obvious self selection bias there I admit, but the lack of restriction and the built in flexibility are great. It's also called "flexible dieting" for this reason, but one takes on a bit of complexity in exchange for that flexibility, I also admit.

    And yea, consistency and dedication are necessary and are sorely lacking skills in some. I just hope these threads help, TBH.

    I don't find anything to disagree with here. I think people get to choose the things that work best for them, and then find a way to incorporate it into their lives. IIFYM/flexible dieting (which I heard it referred to years and years ago -- once I read the IIFYM FAQs on the net, my first thought was, "oh, it's flexible dieting") is another way to do that. Some people find it fantastic. History would tell us that the vast majority of people who try it will fail, like any diet. It's not a magic bean, which we obviously agree on.

    I would be interested in the point raised above, though -- wondering how many of the ripped IIFYM types were ever actually significantly obese. I'm speaking more physiologically and psychologically, in terms of food cravings and how individuals respond to them -- i.e., would a man who has been 100lbs overweight for 20 years have harder to fight food cravings than a person who has been in reasonably good shape all their lfie? Don't know, but it's an interesting question.
  • Mslmesq
    Mslmesq Posts: 1,000 Member
    On this site typically it's broken down between the tremendously over weight "clean eaters" and in shape IIFYM groups, if we're going to categorize things.

    :noway:
  • BeachIron
    BeachIron Posts: 6,490 Member
    The point is one of scarcity. If you have 20 bags of potato chips and you choose to throw them out, then that is 20 bags of potato chips that could have gone to someone that are now wasted. Even if you choose to donate $100 to a food back, that 20 bags of potato chips are still wasted, and $100 plus 20 bags of potato chips is still better than just $100. Food banks empty out all the time.

    DO NOT WASTE FOOD

    And yes, I know restaurants waste huge amounts of food, but that's another bone to pick . . . derp (so to speak) . . .

    You realize, don't you, that that mindset is quite likely why so many Americans are overweight?

    Really? There is a distinct difference between not wasting and overeating. They are not the same. which is why they are two different terms with entirely different definitions.

    ETA: In terms of your added comment, the potato chips were already purchased. You're not going to drive down demand by buying and then wasting. It's the same with restaurant food. Ordering massive portions and then throwing out half isn't exactly driving down demand.
  • mrmagee3
    mrmagee3 Posts: 518 Member
    The point is one of scarcity. If you have 20 bags of potato chips and you choose to throw them out, then that is 20 bags of potato chips that could have gone to someone that are now wasted. Even if you choose to donate $100 to a food back, that 20 bags of potato chips are still wasted, and $100 plus 20 bags of potato chips is still better than just $100. Food banks empty out all the time.

    DO NOT WASTE FOOD

    And yes, I know restaurants waste huge amounts of food, but that's another bone to pick . . . derp (so to speak) . . .

    You realize, don't you, that that mindset is quite likely why so many Americans are overweight?

    I'm going to disagree with that.. I think, as far as the food banks go, if the goal is to fight hunger, you fight it with whatever you have - be it potato chips, pop tarts, or foie gras. People should never be hungry or starving in this country.

    As for not wasting food thing is concerned, that mindset is not why Americans are overweight. That mindset, I believe, is a healthy and respectful one towards food -- that we are blessed with an abundance of it, so we shouldn't take it for granted or use it wastefully. Imagine the guy lighting cigars with $100 bills walking down the street next to the minimum wage guy trying to feed his family. Cigar guy's a douche. There are a lot of minimum wage guys trying to feed their family in this country, and even more abroad. Don't be cigar guy.

    The issue that comes in is how one goes about not wasting food. To me, it means eating head-to-tail, buying my produce wisely, so that it doesn't spoil, using what I buy, eating my leftovers instead of throwing them out, freezing stuff, etc. That's a healthy way to not waste food. The problem comes in when people go from "don't waste food" to "I need to eat all the food because it's here." There are a lot of different reasons we choose the latter -- a lot of it is likely cultural, given that our poor immigrant roots are not so far in the past as to be forgotten, among other reasons -- but it's undoubtedly the poor choice for long-term weight maintenance.
  • Sabine_Stroehm
    Sabine_Stroehm Posts: 19,263 Member
    On this site typically it's broken down between the tremendously over weight "clean eaters" and in shape IIFYM groups, if we're going to categorize things.

    :noway:
    clearly you're another exception. (as am I).:happy:
  • snazzyjazzy21
    snazzyjazzy21 Posts: 1,298 Member
    The point is one of scarcity. If you have 20 bags of potato chips and you choose to throw them out, then that is 20 bags of potato chips that could have gone to someone that are now wasted. Even if you choose to donate $100 to a food back, that 20 bags of potato chips are still wasted, and $100 plus 20 bags of potato chips is still better than just $100. Food banks empty out all the time.

    DO NOT WASTE FOOD

    And yes, I know restaurants waste huge amounts of food, but that's another bone to pick . . . derp (so to speak) . . .

    You realize, don't you, that that the DO NOT WASTE FOOD is quite likely why so many Americans are overweight? Plus, what would happen if people bought fewer potato chips? They would stop making so many.

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    No, American's are overweight because they consume too many calories and don't exercise enough. Don't buy the food if you're not going to eat it, save calories and money.
  • FlaxMilk
    FlaxMilk Posts: 3,452 Member


    Look, if it's junk food that YOU wouldn't eat, why would you give it to some poor people to eat?

    I wish I had an ivory tower. But not, hence the past use of a food bank.

    Because I respect the right of people who use the food bank to not accept food they don't want or give it someone who does if they feel it will adversely affect their health. But me donating the potato chips I decided I don't need won't affect the rest of the food bank's supply. They aren't going to throw out a can of veggies for my bag of chips.

    Because I've seen how hunger can affect a child in so many different ways. Because I know how my own stomach feels when it has nothing in it. Because no matter how unhealthy I may think it is, I'd rather eat a potato rolled in oil and then coated with pure high fructose corn syrup than have that terrible nausea and light headedness that comes with truly not having enough to eat.

    And now I'm seriously considering coating a potato in coconut oil and drizzling it with sweetener and roasting it. Dam it.
  • Mslmesq
    Mslmesq Posts: 1,000 Member
    The point is one of scarcity. If you have 20 bags of potato chips and you choose to throw them out, then that is 20 bags of potato chips that could have gone to someone that are now wasted. Even if you choose to donate $100 to a food back, that 20 bags of potato chips are still wasted, and $100 plus 20 bags of potato chips is still better than just $100. Food banks empty out all the time.

    DO NOT WASTE FOOD

    And yes, I know restaurants waste huge amounts of food, but that's another bone to pick . . . derp (so to speak) . . .

    You realize, don't you, that that mindset is quite likely why so many Americans are overweight?

    Really? There is a distinct difference between not wasting and overeating. They are not the same. which is why they are two different terms with entirely different definitions.

    Well, and depending on how close the food bank was, and how many actual bags of potato chips she had, I take issue with the pollutants released into the environment from the exhaust fumes having to drive some measly potato chips and soda to a food bank.

    <rolling eyes and being facetious>

    And I might add, IF the poster actually had 20 bags of potato chips lying around her house, which she probably didn't, we should really be congratulating her on her huge step and big lifestyle change that she probably really needed to make instead of flagellating her over not donating a small bit of food.

    Speaking of....the support the original poster was actually looking for, what the heck happened to this thread, and why has it not been shut down?
  • Mslmesq
    Mslmesq Posts: 1,000 Member
    On this site typically it's broken down between the tremendously over weight "clean eaters" and in shape IIFYM groups, if we're going to categorize things.

    :noway:
    clearly you're another exception. (as am I).:happy:

    Yes! I'm also a special snowflake! I never knew that though until I started reading here. I feel so warm and fuzzy now. :bigsmile:
  • marniesworld
    marniesworld Posts: 74 Member
    ETA: This idea that foods are evil, or "bad" just doesn't fly when you dig into the facts. Again, no one is saying that people should eat nothing but potato chips, but if they make up 10% of your diet when you are getting sufficient protein and fats and covering your fiber and micronutrient needs, who cares? It doesn't matter. And nice personal attack by the way. You're in your late 50s, grow up.

    I think the idea that many are arguing is that the OP seemed to suggest that he and his buddy know themselves and they know they wouldn't limit it to only 10% of their diet, at least at this point. Surely on a site full of people looking to lose weight, this isn't unheard of? I can't believe how many people are surprised, and almost offended, at this phenomenon!

    I just had an ice cream cone at my mom's house. I don't keep those things in my own place because I live alone so an 8 pack of cones means I'm eating all 8 or I'm wasting. But tonight I had extra calories to burn so I went for it. Just because the OP doesn't have it in his house doesn't mean he'll never eat it ever, ever, ever again.
    Also, I think it's weird (personally) to do that...I figure, if I have stuff around that is not great for me but I LIKE...I'll just eat 1 junky item every day or two along with tons of balanced, high-nutrition, healthy meals.

    I'm glad you used the word "personally". I think that's what so many people are missing here. For the OP, "personally" not having food in the house is the best choice. He doesn't think he CAN just eat "1 junky item every day" and only he knows himself well enough to assess that. He's not judging anyone else for having it. He never said anyone that can fit it into their lifestyle is unhealthy. He just doesn't think it's the best for him at this point in his journey. Also, to everyone who is lucky enough to fit it into their diets, for every box of cookies or bag of chips he doesn't buy, that's more for you, so... win-win? :-)

    Also, this:
    Again, one or two people's worth of junk food (sorry food shaming) isn't going to skyrocket these medical bills. And I'm happy to have my tax $ go to people who can't afford their own food, much less medical care, since you asked.

    This is very true, but on the flip side, one or two people's worth of chips and cookies aren't going to feed the world either, so them throwing away the food, while admittedly maybe not the most selfless choice, is pretty negligible in the grand scheme of things. (Pretty sure it wasn't 100 bags of potato chips is what I'm saying here). I personally wouldn't have thrown them away, (but I admittedly probably would have given them to my neighbor rather than a food bank) but the OP did, and he can't change that now. Repeatedly chastising him won't bring the food back.

    It probably won't bring him back to MFP either, which is a shame for someone who seemed pretty excited and looking for support. It's kind of sad.
  • undrznith
    undrznith Posts: 30 Member
    Vote for Marnie :):flowerforyou:
  • QuietBloom
    QuietBloom Posts: 5,413 Member
    The point is one of scarcity. If you have 20 bags of potato chips and you choose to throw them out, then that is 20 bags of potato chips that could have gone to someone that are now wasted. Even if you choose to donate $100 to a food back, that 20 bags of potato chips are still wasted, and $100 plus 20 bags of potato chips is still better than just $100. Food banks empty out all the time.

    DO NOT WASTE FOOD

    And yes, I know restaurants waste huge amounts of food, but that's another bone to pick . . . derp (so to speak) . . .

    You realize, don't you, that that the DO NOT WASTE FOOD is quite likely why so many Americans are overweight? Plus, what would happen if people bought fewer potato chips? They would stop making so many.

    tumblr_mboooqE7RG1qzlt66_zps24be9f3e.gif

    No, American's are overweight because they consume too many calories and don't exercise enough. Don't buy the food if you're not going to eat it, save calories and money.

    Sure, don't buy it in the first place, but that's not what I was replying to when I wrote what I wrote. When I read previous poster's mandate 'DON'T WASTE FOOD' I could just imagine him/her standing over their kids at the dinner table, hollering. I think one of the reasons I have don't have trouble with over eating on a grander scale is my parents never insisted we clean our plates. For exactly that reason. Food is never 'wasted' anyway. It goes right back into the molecules from whence it came and can be made into new food all over again.
  • FlaxMilk
    FlaxMilk Posts: 3,452 Member

    This is very true, but on the flip side, one or two people's worth of chips and cookies aren't going to feed the world either, so them throwing away the food, while admittedly maybe not the most selfless choice, is pretty negligible in the grand scheme of things. (Pretty sure it wasn't 100 bags of potato chips is what I'm saying here). I personally wouldn't have thrown them away, (but I admittedly probably would have given them to my neighbor rather than a food bank) but the OP did, and he can't change that now. Repeatedly chastising him won't bring the food back.

    It probably won't bring him back to MFP either, which is a shame for someone who seemed pretty excited and looking for support. It's kind of sad.

    The only reason I personally commented on the choice not to donate to a food bank is because OP stated that it was considered and rejected because it was too junky. I encouraged OP, not chastised, to not let that stop him/her in the future (for the reasons I gave in the post you quoted.)
  • MaryJane_8810002
    MaryJane_8810002 Posts: 2,082 Member
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    They are really concerned about clean eating. Still think you should have thrown that stuff away?
  • jonnythan
    jonnythan Posts: 10,161 Member
    You people must never have been anywhere near a food bank. They do not want cookies, chips, and soda. They do not take those items.